The United States Strategic Bombing Survey, set up by the War Department in 1944 to study the results of aerial attacks in the war, interviewed hundreds of Japanese civilian and military leaders after Japan surrendered, and reported just after the war:
"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony
of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that
certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November,
1945 Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped,
even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or
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But could American leaders have known this in August of 1945? The answer is, clearly, yes. The Japanese code had been broken, and Japan's messages were being intercepted. It was known that the Japanese had instructed their ambassador in Moscow to work on peace negotiations with the Allies. Japanese leaders had begun talking of surrender a year before this, and the Emperor himself had begun to suggest, in June 1945, that alternatives to fighting to the end be considered. On July 13th, Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo wired his ambassador in Moscow. "Unconditional surrender is the only obstacle to peace..." Martin Sherwin, after an exhaustive study of the relevant historical documents concludes "Having broken the Japanese code before the war, American Intelligence was able to, and did, relay this message to the president, but it had no effect whatever on efforts to bring the war to a conclusion."
If only the Americans had not insisted on unconditional surrender -- that is if they were willing to accept one condition to the surrender, that the Emperor, a holy figure to the Japanese, remain in place -- the Japanese would have agreed to stop the war.
Why did the United States not take that small step to save both American and Japanese lives? Was it because too much money and effort had been invested in the atomic bomb not to drop it? General Leslie Groves, head of the Manhattan Project, described Truman as a man on a toboggan, the momentum to great to stop it.
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My editorial: We've been fed a line of crap for decades about the saving of millions of lives, mostly American, in the invasion of the Japanese home islands. My father, a WWII Pacific Theater veteran, repeatedly made this argument to me in a defensive way. We knew. They knew. It was about scientific study of the types of atom bombs dropped, even with intelligence that American prisoners of war were turned into shadows in Hiroshima (which WAS NOT a military target) and Nagasaki.
There were also other factors more in the nature of conjecture.
Do you have any supporting documentation for your statements on Japan? I could not find any. Thanks.
I think the local burghers in my town would let go with the mustard gas found in the old pre WWI horse stables if they couldn't taze anybody they wanted with impunity... Like employees who didn't show up for work on time because they had to drop their kid at daycare. Well, maybe I'm being a bit harsh.
But consider this from the NY Times:
"In 2006, former Iraqi general, Georges Sada, who served under Saddam Hussein before he defected, wrote a comprehensive book detailing how the Iraqi Revolutionary Guard moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria, before the US-led action to eliminate Saddam Hussein’s WMD threat, by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.
As reported in the New York Sun on January 26, 2006:
“‘There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands,’ Mr. Sada said. ‘I am confident they were taken over.’”
“Mr. Sada’s comments come just more than a month after Israel’s top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam ‘transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria.’
SO, I don't believe the US gave El-Assad 1 or 2 (father Hafez or son Bashar) his weapons -- I think it is evident he got them from Hussein, but we won't know till we see the shell markings. El Assad is officially listed as President and secretary of the local Baath Party. Just another Jack-Muslim who makes a point of paying for his I-Tunes.
(This whole thing is getting rather bizarre)
wow, what a world, we give this guy everything he needs to kill everyone in the area and then we get pissed when he does, what did you expect? You know being king is a great gig, and most anyone would do whatever it takes to hang on to that job and don't think for one second that the same thing wouldn't happen in this country if the powers that be felt that their little gigs might end.
- It smells like WWIII...
Confusion, Anger and Mockery After Obama’s Decision
After the presidential succession for the last 30 years has usurped the War Powers Act more and more suddenly a stunning revesal of fortune has come from the Obama Administration in the form of letting the Congress debate and vote on the issue of military action against the regime of Bashar Al-Assad of Syria for the worst chemical weapons attack by a dictator against his own people since 1988.
The Joint Chiefs have assured the president the window is open to a vast array of responses that seem little attached to a time table of any significance. Truly war-torn and weary nations suffering attacks and massive refugee camps like Turkey would like the Administration to think a little less and bomb a great deal harder but Obama seems to want to put every member of Congress on record if things go South. If those 200 cruise missiles and drones start hammering away ineffectively at Syrian targets of strategic importance? Israel becomes embroiled in a war that America feels morally obliged to come to Israel's defense against invading Syria, Iran and Russia. This time it will be boots on the ground (and tanks). Every veteran's mouth goes dry with the swallowing of the necessary 8 more pills to ward off the inevitable adrenaline and PTSD build-up rush.
The Senator from Boston had his jaw clenched with righteous indignation. WE KNOW the facts behind this war crime. HISTORY WILL condemn us if we fail to act. Fuck John Kerry!
The US was the first nation to use weapons of mass destruction -- Throwing Small Pox in the blankets of native Americans in the first known instance of germ warfare known to mankind.
While all perpetrators of crimes involving weapons of mass destruction should be held accountable, I wonder if John Kerry considers the first atomic weapons needlessly dropped on Japan (The Japanese were ready to surrender but not unconditionally: They wanted to preserve their Emperor - that was their sole condition) weapons of mass destruction?
Endless indignation from clench-jawed politicians who don't know their history make me puke! This country will reap what it has sewn, no matter how many petty tyrants we cut down along the way.
God knows May Day and Labor Day are the only holidays for us working folks!
I wonder if we would be going after Assad with that first cruise Tomahawk? If we miss will Assad unleash chemical weapons attacks all across Syria? If Assad falls do we have a hundred thousand troops or so ready to go into Syria to find and secure their chemical weapons? Will Israel decide this is a good time to go after Iran's nuclear program? Should we risk our national security to get involved in another countries religious war? I guess these are just a few questions we should be asking our leaders. God bless our leaders with wisdom and I hope y'all have a great Labor Day weekend.
We will survive !