Grateful Dead

New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format


VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored


1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.


1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.


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marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
Bless you Trevor...

Brent's Last Show vine is here. Go for it Marty...

That Nice Hippy Guy's picture
Joined: Jul 8 2007
Just a reminder

We are waiting until the vine's have homes before we sign up now.

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

gdhead77's picture
Joined: Jul 13 2007
Brent's Last Show Video

would be fun to watch... sign me up

1. marty - gdhead77

Lopezz's picture
Joined: Feb 9 2008
Brent's Last Show Video

This is a proshot video of Brent's last show 7-23-90. The video is from cameras on stage taking shots for the big screens directly above the band. The audio source is a soundboard.

DVD 1 (1st set)
Cold Rain and Snow
Picasso Moon
Good Times Blues
Stagger Lee
Truckin>Nobodies Fault Jam>Smokestack Lightning

DVD 2 (2nd set)
Victim or the Crime>Foolish Heart>
Women are Smarter
Terrapin Station>Drums

DVD 3 (2nd set cont)
Space>All Along the Watchtower>
Standing on the Moon>
Around and Around>Good Lovin

The Weight

I will also include a bonus disc from 3-17-95. It is a soundcheck from Phil's earpiece monitor feed. Theres not very much music on it, its mostly talking, but still very entertaining.

That Nice Hippy Guy's picture
Joined: Jul 8 2007
69 vines

Actually it will be more than 2 parts because I dont have a dvd burner and dont want to send that many cd's all at one time.

dstache will seed the first part (hopefully if everything works out). Then I will seed several smaller audio vines of shows from March and April.

This should be fun!!

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

dstache's picture
Joined: Sep 10 2007
new vine coming soon

I am helping Trevor (thatnicehippyguy) out with some early '69 that he received from another source. Assuming the sound quality is up to snuff (I am going to listen to the shows first), we are going to do a 2 part vine here. Part 1 will include 1/17, 1/24, 1/25, 1/26, 2/2, 2/4, 2/5, 2/6 and 2/7, plus another DVD-full of shows from February and March. Part 2 will include more shows from March and April. Cross your fingers and look back here in a week or two.

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
Cleveland Convention Center Vine

is here.

erickat's picture
Joined: Feb 20 2008
12.6.73 Cleveland Convention Center

A small audio vine (3 cd's - fast & clean)

Grateful Dead 12/6/73 Cleveland Convention Center, Cleveland, OH

Source: SBD
Lineage: S:MR > Cassette > DAT > CD > EAC > SHN

Seed provided by Seth Kaplan through Alan Fink: Thanks guys!
Slight retracking (CDWav) by G.S. Hamilton
Note: Disc 3 requires an 80 minute disc

Disc 1
Set 1
1. Bertha 6:25
2. Mexicali Blues 3:27
3. Loser 6:27
4. Black-Throated Wind 6:55
5. They Love Each Other 5:19
6. Beat It On Down The Line 3:17
7. Deal 4:52
8. El Paso 4:26
9. Row Jimmy 9:09
10. Greatest Story Ever Told 5:37
Total time: 55:58

Disc 2
Set 1, cont.
1. China Cat Sunflower > 9:15
2. I Know You Rider 5:30
3. Around And Around 5:06
Set 2
4. Ramble On Rose 7:04
5. Me And My Uncle 2:58
6. Stage Talk 0:56
7. Here Comes Sunshine 15:43
8. Big River 4:48
Total time: 51:23

Disc 3
Set 2, cont.
1. Dark Star > 43:27
2. Eyes Of The World > 13:57
3. Stella Blue 9:21
4. Sugar Magnolia 9:33
Total time: 76:21

Jim Powell's notes:

There are conflicting reports whether the SBD master is on cassettes or
reels, but it sounds like it would have to be reels.
The last 26 seconds of Here Comes Sunshine is missing on our copy of the
SBD and is patched in using an AUD master from a cassette copy of
unknown low generation.
22 seconds in Eyes Of The World are patched from this AUD source also.
The 22-second cut in Eyes looks like a cassette tape flip introduced
when the reels were transcribed to 1st gen cassette. The missing
conclusion of Here Comes Sunshine is harder to account for on this
hypothesis, but there seems a reasonable chance that both missing
segments are intact on the master reels.

First set highlights include TLEO, Row Jimmy, GSET and China Cat >
Rider. The Here Comes Sunshine times almost 16 minutes, is the longest
known on circulating tape and probably the best. The Dark Star is the
third longest known at 43:28, and one of the all time best. It is the
fraternal twin of 11/11/73.

Dave Greenberg did the patches. David Gans supplied DATs of the 1st gen
cassette SBD and Jim Powell instigated the project, supplied the AUD
cassette used to patch the SBD's defects, and wrote this note.

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
William & Mary '73 Vine

is here.

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
NYE 2008 Vine

is here.


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