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New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format

DEFINITIONS:

VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within Dead.net (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through dead.net SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored

SIGNING UP FOR A VINE:

1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.

TROUBLESHOOTING:

1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.

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marye's picture
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BCT '86 Vine

is here, and I sign up with thanks!

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She hasn't signed up for many...

...but she *never* made a request before. MaryE's Flashback Vine - it's a first!

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Mark

Yes since it is her vine I figured that she would want a copy of it. If she does she can sign up first when she posts it. She hasent really signed up for alot of vines though so I wasent really sure.

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

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marye should be first on marye's vine...

That way she won't have to wait for one of us to lose it.

Cheers, and TIA for the shows,
MarkintheDark

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So Solid

Ltapilot and Hippie guy......Such solid shows.....can't wait.

Circle songs and sands of time, and seasons will end in tumbled rhyme,
and little change, the wind and rain."

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Marye's Vine (Berkeley 86)

A big thank you to Ltapilot for 4/18, 4/19, and 4/21. This one is going to be 8 audio disc’s, but if anyone can put these on a dvd for everyone please feel free to do so.

Grateful Dead - April 18, 1986
Community Theatre - Berkeley, CA

Recording Info:
SBD -> Cassette Master (Sony D5/TDK MA-R90/Dolby B)

Transfer Info:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi DR-1/Dolby B) -> Sony R500 (Pass Through) ->
SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC
(2 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
April 27, 2006

Notes:
-- Disc change is seamless
-- Tape flip between Drums and Space
-- Thanks to Paul Scotton and Joani Walker for the Cassettes
-- Thanks to macdaddy for the Nak Cassette Deck

Set 1:
d1t01 - Tuning
d1t02 - Alabama Getaway ->
d1t03 - Greatest Story Ever Told
d1t04 - West L.A. Fadeaway
d1t05 - C C Rider
d1t06 - Brown Eyed Women
d1t07 - Me And My Uncle ->
d1t08 - Mexicali Blues
d1t09 - Tons Of Steel
d1t10 - That's All Right, Mama
d1t11 - The Music Never Stopped

Set 2:
d1t12 - Tuning
d1t13 - Shakedown Street
d2t01 - Man Smart (Woman Smarter)
d2t02 - He's Gone ->
d2t03 - Drums ->
d2t04 - Space ->
d2t05 - The Wheel ->
d2t06 - Smokestack Lightnin' ->
d2t07 - Stella Blue ->
d2t08 - Around And Around
d2t09 - Johnny B. Goode

Encore:
d2t10 - Crowd/Tuning
d2t11 - U.S. Blues

Grateful Dead - April 19, 1986
Community Theatre - Berkeley, CA

Recording Info:
SBD -> Cassette Master (Sony D5/TDK MA-R90/Dolby B)

Transfer Info:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi DR-1/Dolby B) -> Sony R500 (Pass Through) ->
SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC
(2 Discs Audio / 1 Disc FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
April 28, 2006

Notes:
-- The Cassette flips a few seconds into Space
-- Thanks to Paul Scotton and Joani Walker for the Cassettes
-- Thanks to macdaddy for the Nak Cassette Deck

Set 1:
d1t01 - Tuning
d1t02 - Feel Like A Stranger
d1t03 - Stagger Lee
d1t04 - New Minglewood Blues
d1t05 - Friend Of The Devil
d1t06 - Cassidy ->
d1t07 - Big Railroad Blues
d1t08 - One More Saturday Night

Set 2:
d2t01 - Crazy Fingers ->
d2t02 - Playing In The Band ->
d2t03 - Drums ->
d2t04 - Space ->
d2t05 - The Other One ->
d2t06 - China Doll ->
d2t07 - Playing In The Band ->
d2t08 - Sugar Magnolia

Encore:
d2t09 - Crowd/Tuning
d2t10 - The Mighty Quinn (Quinn The Eskimo)

Grateful Dead - April 21, 1986
Community Theatre - Berkeley, CA

Recording Info:
Set 1: SBD -> PCM -> Dat -> Sonic Solutions -> CD -> EAC -> FLAC
Set 2: SBD -> PCM -> Dat -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC
(2 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By David Gans and Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
May 18, 2006

Notes:
-- Thanks to David Gans for the Set 1 disc and Set 2 Dat

Set 1:
d1t01 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo ->
d1t02 - El Paso
d1t03 - Row Jimmy
d1t04 - My Brother Esau
d1t05 - Cumberland Blues
d1t06 - Desolation Row
d1t07 - Ramble On Rose
d1t08 - Let It Grow

Set 2:
d2t01 - Touch Of Grey
d2t02 - Estimated Prophet ->
d2t03 - Eyes Of The World ->
d2t04 - Jam (Brent/Drummers) ->
d2t05 - Maybe You Know ->
d2t06 - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->
d2t07 - Morning Dew ->
d2t08 - Around And Around ->
d2t09 - Not Fade Away

Encore:
d2t10 - Not Fade Away ->
d2t11 - Don't Ease Me In

Grateful Dead - April 22, 1986
Community Theatre - Berkeley, CA

Recording Info:
Set 1: SBD -> PCM -> Dat -> Sonic Solutions -> CD -> EAC -> FLAC
Set 2: SBD -> PCM -> Dat -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC
(2 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By David Gans and Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
May 18, 2006

Notes:
-- Disc change is seamless
-- Thanks to David Gans for the Set 1 disc and Set 2 Dat
-- Truckin' tease before and after Spoonful

Set 1:
d1t01 - Box Of Rain ->
d1t02 - Visions Of Johanna
d1t03 - Mama Tried ->
d1t04 - Big River
d1t05 - Bird Song
d1t06 - Little Red Rooster
d1t07 - Deal

set 2:
d1t08 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d1t09 - I Know You Rider ->
d1t10 - Looks Like Rain
d2t01 - Terrapin Station ->
d2t02 - Drums ->
d2t03 - Space ->
d2t04 - Spoonful ->
d2t05 - Throwing Stones ->
d2t06 - Black Peter ->
d2t07 - Turn On Your Lovelight

Encore:
d2t08 - Brokedown Palace

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College of William & Mary '73

Good catch Bob - I tried to check and re-check the vinedex but still missed the 9/12 show. We can either post it as 9/11 only or I can enhance the offering...

"when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

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thanks folks

I'll try to get these posted this afternoon.

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next up will be

Thanks to suggestion of deadicated i am going to vine remaining 74 shows starting with May &4 shows. As soon as i have finished downloading shows i don't have details posted here

Bob

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Spanish Jam

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New Year 2009 vine details

Jackie Greene Band December 31,2008
Bill Grahamn Civic
San Francisco, CA

Thanks to Lou for taping this show and providing this source
for all to enjoy.

Shure SM89 condenser shotguns>Marantz 670 on 10 foot mike stand
right of soundboard in taper section
16 bit 44.1 WAV>Edirol R-09>Soundforge for slight editing

Disc 1
01- Farewell, So Long, Goodbye
02- Nothing Comes From Nothing
03- Don't Let The Devil Take Your Mind
04- Closer To You
05- Shaken
06- Tell Me Mama, Tell Me Right
07- Animal>
08- Parchment Farm
09- Another Love Gone Bad
10- Like A Ball & Chain

Artist: Bill Kreutzmann / Papa Mali / Hutch Hutchinson / Matt Hubbard
Date: 29 December 2008
Venue: Charlie's
Location: Paia, Maui, Hawaii

Lineage: Audio Reality binaural mics > Sony MZ-RH1 (HiSP 256kbps) >
Sonic Stage to PC/WAV > Cool Edit Pro (tracking & some minor patching
of dropouts in set 1) > flac

This show was billed as an acoustic concert. It turned out to be
much the opposite!

The show was scheduled to start at 10pm but the music was already
playing when we got to Charlie's around 9:30. I started recording as
soon as we got into the venue so the jam>Deal soundcheck is missing
the first part of the jam. In fact, Hutch hutchinson wasn't there
for the beginning either. He came through the crowd to get up onstage,
unpack his guitar and then the band rolled into Deal.

If you're putting this on cd, the encore (set2t13) can be paired up
with the soundcheck tracks on a third CD.

Charlie's in Paia is basically a bar/restaurant. In the area where the
band sets up, the bar runs along the entire length of the room. As a
result, this show has crowd noise throughout but is generally overpowered
by the music (the music was LOUD)!

A few local musicians joined in at the beginning of set 2 on sax and fiddle.
They were not introduced so I can't give you their names.

I'm not that familiar with the names of Papa Mali's tunes so if
anyone can help with the setlist, please do.

Setlist:
Set 1
01 ?
02 jam
03 ?
04 Who Do You Love
05 ?
06 jam (reminiscent of "Long Distance Runner")
07 Hallelujah
08 Death Don't Have No Mercy
09 Bertha

Set 2
01 jam (reminiscent of St. Stephen) >
02 I Kow You Rider
03 Mr. Charlie jam (aborted) >
04 Ain't No Sunshine
05 Keep Happy
06 ?
07 jam
08 (noodling)
09 California??
10 Feel Like Going Home (instrumental) >
11 Bottle Up And Go >
12 Feel Like Going Home
Encore - Bertha

Soundcheck jam > Deal

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Spanish Jam

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