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ummm

ummm,

personally I don't think a barrage of emails to the DA is the best way to go about this, especially since you are the only new witness here.

a polite, clear, firm letter like the one you wrote, from the witness, is best in my opinion.

like I said in the last post, the whole thing may not be possible to be pursued in legal channels... civil or criminal. the settlement may be sealed, and they can't even explain exactly why nobody can pursue it...

even a ton of emails to a reporter or to papers or TV media would not be so effective because they have nothing / no one to follow up with.

Dear editor,

I heard from some guy on an internet forum that he saw a murder by cops back in 1989...

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wouldn't work. Keep in mind, the papers DID report on this when it was timely news.

so an email, from you the witness, to an investigative reporter, news editor, city desk editor, could get some stories written. Where is Lou Grant when you need him? i don't know anyone offhand, you could search online... maybe a paper's homepage would have reporters/editors listed. LA Times could work.

you are the only one who can bring fresh info into this as a previously unheard witness.

see my point?

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my initial comments about this was without knowing that the case had been settled...

been thinking deeply about this now, as I have changed this post and re-written and taken stuff out and put it back for about an hour now. and...

i really do not mean to be flip flopping here,

but,
I would also consider the feelings of the family very carefully; their private grief...
the family did settle this, if there was some other avenue, i guess they would have taken it back then... there were witnesses, according to the newspapers...

I will not even try to speak for them, any more than i can imagine the pain and hell they went through losing a son, but maybe, just maybe, they do not want the murder of their son back in their lives 20 years on... I don't know... I'm totally torn by this... that said, they may be seeking real justice. who can say?

feel free to disagree, and others who want to send off emails, please do what you think is right. just my opinions here, and in the previous posts. please do what you think is best.

peace.

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Well we could..

barrage the Los Angeles DA with emails pushing my point in their face. Anybody who wants to send along my email is more than welcome to. Ram it down their throats. A newspaper you think of? Anything! Jump on in! Copy it, send it to everyone you know! Push it! I WILL stand by every word.

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well

well, at least you can try to find out some of the terms of the settlement.

while a civil settlement is certainly different from a criminal settlement, crafty DAs or shyster lawyers often preclude one or the other in the settlement agreement... meaning, no further action, criminal or civil may be taken.

also, who knows if the exact settlement terms have been 'sealed'

so you may run into a stone wall if that is the case in this case.

and/or who knows if those cops ever actually 'admitted' doing something wrong. some settlements exclude an admission of responsibilty / guilt, in part done, so that the perps won't have that 'evidence' against them in a future proceeding, be it civil or criminal.

anyway, shoot off some emails, please try to get some press involved.

if you are in the LA area, I think it would be pretty easy to find a KIND, investigative reporter who might have more access to info and could, at the very least, publicize this murder more.

the reporters hook, could be recent pig brutality / atrocities / violence / abuse of power in Chicago on the tour this year. or if there were any arrests at the LA show... an interview with you, would be all a reporter might need to file a story, if they use the background of the 2009 tour to make it 'topical'

oh, and mary, I reminded myself why I have heard different amounts about the Katz family settlement, it was probably the case that the family ended up with a million, and the lawyer took the 500 large, as a typical 33% fee... and the total was 1.5 mil. I am still asking around to see if I can get more details about that Byrne murder, if anyone actually faced charges or whatever.

as I said before, thanks for doing the right thing, I respect you for that, man.

peace.

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it's crap like this

that makes me refuse to give up my 2nd amendment rights....rotten assholes

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if i'm not mistaken

there is no statute of limitations on murder, premeditated or otherwise....the swine should be locked up with someone they sent to prison....while i think we can all admit that not every cop on the street is like these bastards, i'm sure we can agree these animals are just that....animals...and THAT is insulting ANIMALS

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Thanks friends

I don't know if the DA will take up the cause and make a case. I certainly haven't received any reply. I must say, the thought of getting on that witness stand in front of those cops is terrifying, but I will speak for all of us if given the chance. I will speak for Patrick. Knowing I have your support and good vibes means everything. Let's hope the DA realizes their responsibility. I'll do my part.

Again, does anyone have any contact info for the Shanahans? I'd really like to let them know what I sent to the DA.

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admiration

I could not believe what I read in your first post. Its absolutely terrifying that a person can be beaten to death by the cops for going to a concert.

Good on you for speaking up and please try not to blame yourself. None of us know how we might have reacted to what you witnessed. I am just full of admiration that you have found a way to speak out about this. I wish you all the very best.

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I say send those jerks to prison

A civil lawsuit does not mean that justice has been served. Only a criminal trial can bring that about. Money cannot fix things, a young man died and those bastards who did it are still walking on our streets. I do commend you Evster, speaking out is not an easy thing to do. It feels like it is just you vs "them" but we are all here behind you 100%.

"Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

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yup, pomo's right

what was settled was a civil suit.

As Joe already pointed out, there is no statute of limitations on murder. That's a criminal law matter, entirely separate from the civil suit (classic example of this in the other direction: OJ Simpson).

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Evster2012

Very good of you to do this and strength to you as this does or doesn't go anywhere. This is so sad.
Peace

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