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    Okay, it wasn't ALL roses... One of the subjects that came up behind the scenes the other day was how just about everybody had a particular song (usually found in the second set) that they regarded as the perfect opportunity to beat the restroom crowds, purchase another overpriced water bottle, or decide whether they just had to have that T-shirt. The perfect opportunity, in short, to be anywhere but in the hall listening to the tune. In classic Deadhead fashion, it also came out that the same tune that sent one person running for the exits was the show's high point for another. So it goes. What's your experience?

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  • September 24, 2018 - 4:20pm
    marye
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    rotten, you sorta inspired a new thread here...
  • September 24, 2018 - 3:43pm
    marye
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    great tales
    if you were vending, that kinda changed a lot of timing...
  • September 24, 2018 - 12:56pm
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    None (but maybeeee drums and/or space)
    In my opinion, with the actual Grateful Dead playing, there was absolutely no song that could be voluntarily missed, ever. That has since changed with the post-Grateful Dead incarnations. If you have to use the restroom during any song by The Dead, The Other Ones, Phil and Friends, Furthur, Dead & Company, etc - then that is ok. The post-GD incarnations are not to be considered with the level of reverence that the original Grateful Dead had. Of course, if you had a crazy explosive bathroom urge of any variety back when the Grateful Dead were playing, then by all means, rush to the bathroom during a Dark Star. We have all had those moments in life, but hopefully they never struck many of us while the actual Grateful Dead were playing. I will admit that during some of the last songs from what I consider the weakest songbook era, I would not be thrilled (long way to go home, if the shoe fits, childhood's end, wave to the wind, and maybe one or two others), but I would never excuse myself from the immediately vicinity of where the Grateful Dead were performing. Never. Not one time. I either went to the bathroom before the show started, waited until intermission, or did it during drums and/or space. When I was on tour and selling shirts, I would stand near the exit listening to the encore. When the last notes of the encore were played, I would sprint to the car in order to grab my shirts, tarp, lanterns, etc. This was only done to make sure to that I would be ready to sell to the exiting crowd. I realize there was great risk in doing this. There was potential to miss a 2nd encore. With the double-encore at the last show ever played, I was already sold out of stuff, so I stuck around (besides, it was the end of the tour, so I was going to say goodbye to some of my other friend on tour until I saw them again when the Grateful Dead resumed in the Fall....which sadly, never happened). Because of that I did not miss the Box of Rain they played to end their career.
  • August 30, 2017 - 5:00pm
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    Brent tunes
    I must have seen a different Dead than you. Brent and Jerry rocked the house, with no slack and even encouragement from Bobby. I will take you home is one of my Favorites! Goes to show, you just never know. Carina would be my exit song. My friends say "find your shoes" but I love me some US BLUES Shoes can wait!
  • March 10, 2016 - 11:30pm
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    What better time to pee,then during Sugeree?
    I mean come on you could,shit,shower and shave during that song!
  • November 7, 2015 - 6:40am
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    Wuuuuuuuuuuttttttt !?!?!?!?
    Miss a moment of the Grateful God damned Dead to take a pee break ?!?!? Unheard of !!! That's what the set break was for. However, if this is a thinly veiled poll to determine personal Dead duds I'd have to confess to being less excited with any Beatles cover. In my ears those tunes just couldn't be Deadified.
  • November 6, 2015 - 3:32pm
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    wow
    you make excellent points. while i stand by my comments...maybe it was more like too much space/drumz, not that they DID space/drumz. 100% agree their drum solos/duets are the best I've heard, but 5 or 10 minutes would be fine. FTW drums was/were AWESOME, I'll agree and commented on originally. My favorite part of most Dead shows was the jamming and improv, and wondering where they were going to go next.
  • November 3, 2015 - 5:11pm
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    Can't agree. Billy and Mickey often gave us the best part of the show. Remember the Beast? The Beam? Their awesome communication, like two brains in one head? Those may have been the best drum solos in rock history. Mickey is really a world class percussionist, and Billy may be the most underrated rock drummer ever. They played together so often that they practically read each other's mind. I remember those intense primal jungle rhythms swooping around the stadiums... just blasting our minds to pieces. You hated space? Ok. That was the Dead at their freest and most creative... the part of the shows that harkened back to their Acid Test roots. Far out music was what made the Dead unique... not C&W rave up covers. I don't mean to be rude, but I think you really missed out on what the band considered its most exploratory work. But you weren't alone. A lot of people just liked to hear them play tunes, and not push the limits... not testing the definitions of music.
  • November 3, 2015 - 5:01pm
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    Some basic GD whiz-dom
    Before I rant, let me note that I love the GD and nearly all of the material not bashed below But, here goes... It is appropriate to take a piss break, cringe, plug your ears, roll your eyes, laugh or vomit when any songs of the following types are played: Anything Brent wrote (i.e., not Hey Pocky Way). Brent was a great keyboardist and could provide some fine scratchy vocals (though, at times, he did sound like the lost Doobie Brother). He was probably their best keyboardist, though I love Keith's early contributions. But Brent's own songs were cheesy as hell. Maybe some fans never bothered to listen to the lyrics. Tons of Steel?!? Terrible analogy to build a song on. Far from Me, Easy to Love You, We Can Run... pure Velveeta. I could just about tolerate Just a Little Light and Blow Away, because they played well in arenas... but you'd think Barlow could've given him some better lyrics! The nadir of Brent's material, though, was I Will Take You Home. It's sweet that he wrote a lullaby was for his daughter, but he should've played it for her birthday party... not in front of stadiums of rock fans, C&W listeners, and tripped-out hippies! The band was too egalitarian about members' contributions, at times... and this is a perfect example of where they ought to have said "no." Any song where Phil sings. I love Box of Rain and Unbroken Chain as compositions, and Phil's a great bassist, but let's get honest... the guy's voice would only be appropriate for a bad karaoke night where everyone is getting bombed and is laughing. The ONLY song Phil could've possibly sung to positive effect was Pride of Cucamonga, and he never performed it with the GD. I never cared for Tom Thumb's Blues, or anything else that brought him to the mic. He provided horrid harmonies on Brown-Eyed Women back in the early 70s. Laughable! Sounded like he was deaf. Phil must be surrounded by "yes men" who would clap at his farts. Phil wrote New Potato Caboose but Bobby sang lead vox. It never really worked well live, but it could've with more practice. Point being... DON'T "Let Phil Sing!" Almost everything written in the 80s and 90s. I liked songs like Touch of Grey, Hell in a Bucket, My Brother Esau and Black Muddy River... but they were nothing to write home about. I didn't eagerly wait for them to appear... ever. West L.A. was legit. Throwing Stones seemed legit back in the day. Listen to the lyrics today. It's not only dated, but it's a pretty boring rant on the insidious forces tearing the world apart. These thought pieces that Bobby and Barlow started writing (e.g., Victim or the Crime) are pretty terrible, lyrically. They just don't fit the GD's apolitical origin, which was one of the things that made them special. [Note: Contrast Uncle John's with the contemporaneous Edwin Starr song, War, if you don't know what I mean.] Goopy songs like Standing on the Moon and Days Between make me shed a tear NOW, but they were a real drag back then. I like Picasso Moon and Victim or the Crime... MUSICALLY. VotC has some truly challenging "out" stuff in the solos, and the use of the tritones is nice. Foolish Heart was met with tons of excitement... The great new hope for a classic! It was mediocre, at best. That lick Brent used to play was hella annoying... all 1980s zippy and cheesy. They never took it to any real heights. Same deal with Built to Last. They played that annoying 7-4-1 progression over and over. A real pill. It brought down the energy of the first set of the final night of Fare Thee Welll, in fact. I barely remember that boring-ass material from the 90s. Easy Answers, Liberty, So Many Roads, Samba in the Rain, Way To Go, Corrina. Lazy River Road was a'ight, I guess. As for other bad material, Loose Lucy, Money Money, Day Job... it wasn't the Dead at their best. Lazy Lightning... stinky (though Supplication was pretty good). Looks Like Rain... a real stinker, unless you and your significant other were there together and liked goopy sad songs about lost love. Barf. I like Blues for Allah. It didn't perform up too good, though. I'm sure there are plenty of others I can't think of. Good rule of thumb: -Jerry... thumbs up (especially old material) -Pigpen... thumbs up -Bobby... thumbs mostly up (especially covers and old material) -Brent and Vince... thumbs up for harmonies, thumbs down for their own songs -Phil... thumbs always down Winner of Best Piss Break Ever Award: I Will Take You Home (aka, I Will Take a Whiz)
  • November 1, 2015 - 5:05pm
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    This one is easy-peezie....so to speak
    Space...drums. although FTW had amazing drumz.May Bob be in fine voice May Jerry find all the right notes May your trip of choice be treating you right And may you be in the bathroom 10 minutes before anyone else realizes the band is playing sapce/drums
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Okay, it wasn't ALL roses... One of the subjects that came up behind the scenes the other day was how just about everybody had a particular song (usually found in the second set) that they regarded as the perfect opportunity to beat the restroom crowds, purchase another overpriced water bottle, or decide whether they just had to have that T-shirt. The perfect opportunity, in short, to be anywhere but in the hall listening to the tune. In classic Deadhead fashion, it also came out that the same tune that sent one person running for the exits was the show's high point for another. So it goes. What's your experience?
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Black Peter. Sorry Gans (who gives me shit about that) but I know I'm not alone here! There's a little giggle story about that associated with this year's KPFA GD Marathon. I think Estimated might have been a pee song sometimes, too. but never, ever out of the hall for Stella Blue, Mexicali Blues, or anything that featured Brent.
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For me, since I started going to shows only in '93... it would be Easy Answers. I've been to a bunch of shows but unfortunately had to see this one too many times. I would probably have to say the same for Eternity and for Way To Go Home.
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Don't get me wrong, I used to dig watching them beat the tar out of the skins, but it was an opportune time in my opinion for a piss and a beer or whatever. I would often leave for the same reasons during a first-set FOTD, CC Rider, Minglewood, Jack a Roe, Me and My Uncle, Mexicali. Only if need be, mind you. I (we'd) also leave the show early if Day Job notes were struck for the encore to beat the squeeze out to the lot.
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But to each their own!!! Anyhoo to answer the question: For years, I really didnt have one, wanted to see and hear EVERYTHING. Every little note in Minglewood, Rooster, Des Row, CC Rider, Push, Walkin Blues..you name it, I would not miss it. Even Day Job~~~~ Drumz when I could hold no longer...but really it was the intro of songs like Wave to the Wind & Corrina when I decided...oh man, pee break songs. “The Omnipotent Grateful Dead!”
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Boy, whenever the boys started to drift into Dark Star, I just had to duck out. IMHO, this question deserves nothing more than such a sarcastic, ridiculous response. Maybe my view is distorted because I stopped seeing shows in about 1983. Did things get so bad that "just about everybody" had at least one song they despised hearing? I recall there were some songs that I didn't love, and after hearing 40 or 50 "drums," I sometimes got a little bored, but never did me or any of my group of deadheads want to be anyplace else. Wow.
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pomo1, when ya gotta go, ya gotta go! sooner or later, I'd have to hit the head, so having a pee-song was like a scheduled break. I don't like Black Peter still, never have really, and it was a good time to get out and do whatever else I had to do. I don't know anyone who stepped out for Dark Star though!
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think it's a matter of despising or even disliking some tunes, just picking an opportune time to dash to the restroom if need be. Going at half-time when everybody else is doing the same thing was a drag, IMO. Dashing out during a tune was usually a lot more efficient in minimizing missing anything.
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I agree that when you gotta go, you gotta go. Believe me I understand, no one makes more "rest stops" than my wife. Also, I'm sure that I missed a song or two when nature called. But that is not how I interpreted the initial post. In fact, the language "the perfect opportunity, in short, to be anywhere but in the hall listening to the tune" certainly connotes something more than just nature calling.
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Maybe some folks really did duck out just to avoid a song they don't like. To each - their own. I still call Black Peter my pee song because it was pretty much a given with my friends... and when a band plays it to this day, there I go, getting in line for the head.
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...that while there were definite non-fans of, say, "Ship of Fools" in our little group, non-fans who would groan at the opening notes, all too often those same non-fans would have to admit that the actual rendition was pretty darn great, when they stuck around.
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my friend would always wait until a somewhat new tune and then proclaim"making a move" whilst exiting to the restroom.....I wanna say childhood's end or easy answers....but I agree with other posters on not wanting to miss a single song....
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maybe for the men folks life was easier at half time because the sinks were also employed... drums/space was usually nap time for me, especially when it was hardcore tour daze. I needed those zzzz so I could get behind the wheel of the bus and drive later that night. I remember hearing a tour buddy tell me; there were a bunch of sorority gals near us at one show; drumz starts out, I set down in my seat - pass right out. the sorority girls, much aghast, ask my buddy who was still grooving away, 'is he OK??!!' "sure, sure. he is OK, he's just taking a nap" I got up just as space was fading, pop right up, start dancing to the next tune. such was life on the road. ( -; peace.
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So you guys could actually plan when to go, where to go, and how to go?! I'm either in awe of y'all, or supremely sorry that you were that rigid at a show. "Now, when they go into the drum solo, we'll hit the head, okay?"
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I think its the songs for ships or sailing for me...something about water... opps gotta go.. Seriously...I remember hearing the notes of Ship or Sailor and I found the head...wierd to think about, but true never the less... There were a number of Drumz/Space segments I would gladly give up my floor spot for, but that was usually when everyone else had the same ideas... Eric
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When the band would Row, I would go. Same with Stella Blaa.
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I have to say that Space was my time to take a wander about. Not always to pee but to check the goings on in the venue and whatever other trouble there was. I'll have to also admit that Stella Blue, and very slow FOTD I couldn't hang. But everyone has to go sometime and in my group there wasn't one song I could remember them getting up for.
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LMAOit happened all the time w/my car of idiots "Oh man that Long Way To Go Home ROCKED!" “The Omnipotent Grateful Dead!”
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i made more pit stops during drumz than any other time in a show. but there was one, at the omni in atlanta, late 80's/early 90's where i sat in my seat through the drum portion, and when mickey and billy got up to leave, they frickin' hugged each other. the jam was just that special, and i'm glad my bladder allowed me the moment. cheers!
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He's Gone was a perfect "break" song for me to regroup,recharge and refill the water jug for the upcoming next killer power chord jam. Im sure this will offend many.....get over it.
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..or the crime. I couldn't STAND that song. Still can't. Someone mentioned Wave to the Wind. I had forgotten all about that tune. Only saw it once live and stayed for it. Honorable mention goes to: Corrina Way to Go Home Easy Answers And then there is I Will Take You Home, which usually came out of space. I usually planned a bathroom break during space. IWTYH just made the break a little longer. -pr "Mama, mama many worlds have come since I first left home.........
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Sorry people, I love Bob Dylan but that song was BORING and longer than a Russian novel. Space was equally unbearable, unlike Drumz which I could always groove to (I especially loved it when Mickey started going at the beam).
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a water bottle works great, then you miss nothing!
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Black Peter and Desolation row are two of my favorites and I have a lot of favorites...Drums was always a good time to roll and pee for me not necessarily in that order. A couple of others would be Eternity & Corrina. If Mickey was singing rap songs back then, it would have been a good time to take care of some busy work. It would always be a contest to see how quick you could pee, get a brew and get back so you didn't miss the next song which had a 99.9% chance of being another one of my favorites. And how did you always avoid not losing your friends during the show? We would always meet on Jerrys side.
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I'll agree with some others, when ya gotta go you go, but if it's close to break time Ship of Fools or anything real slow would help me find my way out before the rush. Victim or the crime & I'll vote for Black Peter too Peace!
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For me it was "Death Don't have No Mercy," something about always gave me the hebbie jebbies. Even on record I just can't stand around & listen to it. Deadhead since '69
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Without a doubt..........even at some of their best shows.........it was time to "go" when Johnny B Goode came on, cause it was truly a letdown.......should have called it Johhny B Bad!ShakedownStacy
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As much as I loved Brent's B-3 playing, whenever it was one of his songs he sang, that was my cue to head to the head. "Listenin' for the secret, searchin' for the sound..."
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"For me, since I started going to shows only in '93... it would be Easy Answers. I've been to a bunch of shows but unfortunately had to see this one too many times. I would probably have to say the same for Eternity and for Way To Go Home." Yeah, fustrated the sheit out of me...i got into the band and was listening to so many early (68-71) shows , losing my mind to 11 jams...and every other show i attended i caught a cheezy answers or a way to go vince... shoe fits, samba in the rain...walkin bluz...lots of bathroom breaks before too long...
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This is becoming really interesting! I love hearing how we all dealt with necessary breaks, songs we didn't particularly like, not wanting to miss a single thing, never wanting to leave our seats.... I'm personally aghast that anyone would ever leave during a Brent tune, but I'm notoriously freaky that way.
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It was Dark Star !! I only saw 2 really good Star's in my day one was in Jan 79 right b4 Keith and Donna were kicked out of the band and again in 91 @ MSG right after Brent died!! When i go see Ratdog and they start up Dark star i run out of the room !! It was bad enough for me when Jerry was Playing it!! That and Dear Mr Fantasy/Hey jude kill me!! Rogue
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... always drums. maybe it was just the pounding rhythm that set the system to "go" you know? worst nightmare was standing in line in the ladies' room upon arrival to the venue, running late after an unusually difficult entry proccess and hearing the first chords to the show's opener ... "Help on the way ..." yeah, help on the way would have been a few more stalls!
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In my thirty+ '85-'95 shows, I rarely ever left a show to hit the bathroom, but if I ever really needed a break, "I Will Take You Home" was an easy answer (pun intended - I actually found that one perversely enjoyable in most instances), as was "We Can Run But We Can't Hide". Lovely tunes, I supposed, but they just didn't seem to fit in with everything else going on, at least not to me. And honestly, Bobby-era "Good Lovin'" never really did it for me either. I think I saw only one or two in all my shows, so that was fortunate for me. Pondering Pig's epic versions alongside the post-Shakedown St. versions always made me scratch my head as to why they even bothered. But all that said, I loved that the Dead challenged us all musically, and had songs that not everyone of us loved every time. I can't BELIEVE how many people don't like Black Peter - that song pulled me in from the first time I heard it, and remains a favorite to this day. It's the perfect song as far as I'm concerned! Find me another song that sort of approximates a blues and then has a gorgeous undefinable bridge like that! Brilliant stuff from the deepest Hunter/Garcia depths! But then I'm sure some people will take issue with my choices, so I guess I get it. The band had a little something for everyone, and that was part of the magic. Thanks to everybody who went out on the limb and answered this one. Long live the Dead, occasional clunkers and all! Scott Scott Judd Chicago, IL http://tangleweed.org http://magnetosphere.com
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He's Gone was always a snoozefest for me and just a perfect opportunity to dispense with the by-product of beers consumed at places like Cal Expo, Kaiser, Shoreline. The slower version of TLEO also qualified.
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Realizing I am about to commit heresy, upon hearing the first notes of Stella Blue I always took my break. to me, the only good thing about Stella Blue was that it usually meant a Sugar Magnolia would follow. Space a close second.
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I liked to take the time to experience the show and the scene en route to answering nature's call so I aimed for a long song. Also a wordy song 'cause there was less likely to be astonishing and surprising jamming, and the sung words were hard to hear in many halls. So the perfect bathroom break tune was Desolation Row. ("The riot squad is restless, they need someplace to go.." OK off we go) And no matter how many changes I went through on that seemingly long side trip I was amazed to always get back to the seat before the tune was over. Desolation would often clock in at over ten minutes.
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tj crowley it seem that the bobby tunes take awhile to get appreciative of. easy answers still doesn't grab me..saturday nite wore it's love out..truckin can takes it's toll.and eternity didn't last that long for me...there's no bad song and these would not push me out the door as each moment is one to be experienced but would you find me talking during 'dew' or (soory pomo 1) a 'dark star'. found it always rude that some one would be talking during these moments 'man did you hear 'em do 'dw' last week?' 'outa site!'. despite my lack of total acceptance of previous mentioned tunes, each one takes on a new demension so walking out was rare..oh wait! drumz..yeah...10-100 (necessary break) time check out www.esu.edu/wess fried-days 6pm - midnite (e.s.t) for the sounds and vibes of the 60's/70's w/ a splash of the 50's and todays sounds...'six strings...more or Lesh' grateful dead hour (davdi gans production) 10pm (e.s.t.)
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I always found Red Roosterto be a downer, so that was the perfect time for excretion.
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"May the four winds blow you safely home" There were definately a few songs to choose from but one that sticks out is Victim or the Crime. As my friends and I used to say, "we are the victims, and this song is a crime!!!"
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Yeah with all due respect to Bobby, it was Victim or the Crime. Did nothing for me. Even Corrina had it's moments but Victim signaled the rush for the john.
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"May the four winds blow you safely home" I love Bobby but he did have some clunkers there towards the end. Seems like every time I saw them they opened with Picasso Moon, lol. As for Jerry, Days Between was as bad as it got. Liberty grew on me a little but not until late.
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Bathroom away!
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People went to the 'john' during shows? I simply pee-ed my pants (I'm joking). It was painful to watch Garcia fade away over the last couple of years. The music suffered, but I do miss it dearly! As for songs I could miss without feeling too bad (going to the 'john'): Way to Go Home
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Yeah, I had a couple "least favorites", but topping the list was Brent's ballad that usually made me want to take myself home.
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made me have to go...
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During 93 and 94 I fought the Law made me run like the wind, It was usually a closer but I ran anytime it was played, What I wouldn't give to hear dear old Jerry sing it one more time. Have a Grateful Day
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I make it a point to give everything a chance, but nothing makes my blatter shink like "I Know You Rider". It's a good song, but a little redundent.
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It's not that I have any particular aversion to the song mind you, but it became a joke between my friend Sue and myself. Every (and I mean every) show that we went to they played that song. We just got sick of hearing it. And despite my posted shows there were more than 3, way more. Anyway, JB.G was a good excuse to dance all the wat to the loo!
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Oh how I would love to have the oppurtuninty to be at a show and hold my break through any song Peace
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Never had a chance to see Jerry and the Boys, however, I believe I would run for the exit if they played "Victim or the Crime". I would run or at least curl up on the floor with my blankie. It was a crime to write that song and we are all victims.