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well said Oroboros Stuman made his point, Chris made his point in return and did actually apologise for the hold up. The vine is in the post and Stuman will have it soon. So can't we leave it there. Chris wants out and I wish he didn't...lets not have any more casualties pleeease. Just listen to Pigpen tearing it up on 9/19/70 and Jerry playing Close Encounters on 1/22/78. and remember what brings us together here. So much more than should ever tear us apart.

around and around, and feed into one another, and then accelerate into morphiing into the next phase, I hearby emplore you both to take a breath. Know that you have made your points and work now to vacate the animosity out of yourself for that other person. It doesn't help to hang onto that negativity. We are all flawed individuals (my hand is raised) and being part of this community (see pkpotter's post) of flawed individuals we all do 'fuck up' on a regular basis. This conflict isn't one to 'win', it is one to learn from and go on. I might be full of shit, but both of you guys have had serious losses/difficulties in the last year and I don't know how that might contribute to this conflict, but for your own sakes, try to find a way to let it go and move on. Do what you need to do to let it go. My hope is that things improve for both of you. Sermon over. Take care, Tim

I agree with you , all I wanted was to know what was going on ,,, if the guy had problems then let us know ,, post it so we all know the vine aint dead , just post. mail when you post "it`s mailed" is that too much to ask from anyone ? crap I only get like 1 or 2 hours to play on the computer but it`s time enough to post what the vine is doing . oh and what personal attacks ? ( besides above post ) .. do you totally misunderstand everything I say ?and todd , I do have a wife familly and work full time .. You talk about familly chris ,, why do you hold back from your familly ? just post whats going on .. if it`s late then it`s late just let us know something .. don`t keep 15 or so other excited people in the dark .. that`s not cool ..

I know this is a vine forum, but it is within that spirit of the living vine that I would like to say something. This is not a happy moment. We are about to lose one of our friends. This is a sad day in the vines. This garden cannot survive without love and respect. It will wither and die. We are all friends here, all connected by a common vine. Frustrations can and do arise, as they do among family and friends. It is imperative to remember we are all friends sharing a common love for a band and a way of life that has been both given to us and made by us. Tolerance is one of the cornerstones of this life. Give your friends a ride, help them when they need a hand, treat them with respect and above all just understand,sometimes a little understanding will lead to a better world. I hope to see all of us vining again soon, all of us. The key word is us.

Thats all I ask pkpotter. What if I started posting insults towards other people? Again, please pm me with email addy's so that we can keep touch. Unfortunately, I'm not going to stick around. I've got a ton of tunes. Maybe we can trade off line? I'm sorry everyone, I trust that those of you who know me and my family well will not only keep in touch, but keep a happy and growing family strong. Brody just asked me "Whats wrong Daddy?" It's funny how kids know everything. Later. pm me for my email if you would like. Chris

Well said bear. Where is the love. Music is the great healer.peace,love, and mutual respect, not too much to ask,pk

Jerry wouldn't insult somebodies integrity, intelligence, or intentionally try to hurt their feelings. I for one feel pretty damn good about myself. I'm a better father, husband, son, brother, and friend. Check whatever skeletons are in your own closet. "Woe is me Vine" 1. stuman

is shitty real frickin shitty .......rnt well all brothers and sisters here????....this does not sway my opinion of either of u .... but come on now is'nt it bout the music??? lets get over this lil hurtle and just remember that i luuuuuuuuuuv u guys.....peace yall BEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT WOULD JERRY DO IN THIS MESS?????? just in mho .....but i think he would say just let the music breath

I appreciate it Todd and Trevor. Perhaps I might take too long with a vine here and there, and yes I do work my ass off and have a young child with another on the way. There could be a million excuses. But I don't feel that there is any reasonable excuse for verbally assaulting a fellow member of dead.net. I'm here because I'm very comfortable around all of you. We can talk about the music and share the music among one another. That positive vibe is gone the minute someone starts personally attacking someone else. I apologize for the mishap. I feel that I explained it quite well. I also feel that aggression is for the mentally impotent. To talk about someone "having balls" is completely infantile and asinine. What really takes "balls" is admitting when your wrong, acting like an adult, and taking responsibility for your actions. Apparently that is not a requirement to become a member. Thanks guys, but my pride is thicker then water. Feel free to contact me. With open arms, an open heart, and an open mind, ....bid you good night...good night...good night. Don't forget to smile, Chris

I like both of you guys. Stuman and Reedchris. Ive been around both of you for quite awhile now and I wish we could just let this go. Maybe Stu was harsh and mabye reedchris does take a little to long with vines, but I just wish we could forget about this and just vine. love you all, Trevor "You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."