With regards to the Change Rocks event at the Bryce Jordan Center in State College, PA this Monday, October 13, please note the campaign has released a limited amount of tickets this morning which have been placed back into the system for sale to the General Public. Please go to www.ticketmaster.com for further details.
EVENT DETAILS:
WHO: Bob Weir, Phil Lesh, Bill Kreutzmann, and Mickey Hart, Gregg Allman, Butch Trucks, Jaimoe, Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Marc Quinones, Oteil Burbridge, and Jeff Chimenti
WHAT: Concert Fundraiser
WHERE: Bryce Jordan Center, Pennsylvania State University State College, PA
WHEN: Monday, October 13, 2008 - Doors Open 5:30 PM EDT
Comments
Facism, Socialism and communism are NOT the same!
Very uninformed on this I must say. Go ahead and live in a facist country then live in a socialist country and then tell me they are the same!
The GD stood up for a LOT of issues since they were "born" so this is really no different, just a little heavier.
As far as tour kids making the decision not to work is ok with me. But what about HOW you make your way. Is it bumming off of others, is that what the Deads ideal is, or the 60's ideal was? Is it selling dope? Well thats capitalism at its finest if ya ask me, your selling something for a profit, then theres the ones that sell bunk items! Don't get me started there! lol I don't think the 60's were about not working, it was about making new ways of earning a living, try working for yourself, or starting a non-profit. But DON"T go bumming off of others, thats not cool at all in my opinion. And yes I was a tour rat at one time but I didn't bum off of others and take other peoples stuff so that I could say that I'm free. Having to depend upon others is the same as working isn't it? Your out there all day and night, thats work isn't it? I don't care if you don't want to work, but just realize that taking from others is not the deal. But we can SHARE things and thats not what I see from most of the tour rats I know. Its all about taking and very little giving. Been there done that so I know the deal.
If any of you realized that right now the ONLY way we are going to get some kind of change is hopefully in Obama. The independents need a voice and to step up, I agree. But thats not happening right now so we need to gather together and make a stand on who we believe is going to support what we believe in.
I don't understand conservative deadheads. Sorry. Glad your here for the ride but I learned a LOT of things from my travels with the Dead and mostly that was liberal thoughts. Communal living when possible, peace, love, no war, understanding, earth friendly, interdependence of all things and people, karma, taoism, ect. and the list goes on. That is just where the music and trips took me to and my opinions on these have just intensified as I have gotten older. To look down upon others, (even in the Deadhead community there can be this Deader then thou attitude cause one doesn't have dreads, or has short hair.), to promote death to other countries cause they aren't like us, racism, sexism, ect, these things just don't belong at a Dead show in my opinion. Maybe the lot of you were there to just get as high as possible and have a free ride I don't know. But the things I learned and believe came from shows and all that entails.
Lets all get TOGETHER instead of apart and try to make a difference for once. Now is the time!
The Grateful Dead With JG
Check it out..... They may have played one student protest and we are talking about the vietnam era. Regardless of my political views the Grateful Dead never played a political rally while JG was alive. They always avoided politics and rightly so. As for his dying wishes, they have been stomped on time and time again. IE his guitars willed to the maker, debra, MG etc.
JG's views stopped mattering when he passed. God rest his soul. And thank you Jerry for everything.
Lowers and Floor Tickets are available
Two co-workers just bought tickets. 1 got 2 in section 115 and the other got 2 on the floor!
Living in a liberal bubble?
Rusty88 said
Exactly! You've been living in a liberal bubble all your life, with, most likely, zero contact with conservatives. I mean real friendships, or other real connections. Keep disparaging conservatives.. keep believing those myths and falsehoods... keep your fine, precious prejudices. Keep your bigotry against "certain" Dead Heads. Yeah... that'll do it.
Uninformed is right.
I agree that Jerrys wishes
I agree that Jerrys wishes were stomped on. Thats just plain sad. But over at the Obama 2 forum, someone posted MANY shows that were political in nature that the Dead did over the years. More so in the Vietnam days but think about it, we are in a situation VERY similiar to Vietnam. And we need MORE people talking about it and taking action. Seems that too many people just want to dance and not take a stand for something. This country is in big shit trouble, due to LACK of government oversight. They just let Wall street and the banks do what they wanted to and look where it got us. Plus some and I said some, of the people in the country feel the need to have a huge McMansion house when they can't afford it. So its sad time for this country. I used to have a Dead sticker that said, The antidote for society. Wish I still have that.
Are you going silently screaming? I hope so, but if not have a good day anyway. Not trying to bust ya up just chatting thats all.
And like someone pointed out, there is NO telling what Jerry would have done at this time. He changed a lot during the years and might have been all about it, or he might have been totally against it. We will never know, but I wish we did if ya know what I mean.
microcosm of society on tour
Whether it is Panic, Phish, the Dead or the real world, there will always be people hanging on and scamming their way to the next show, meal, or bottle of MD 20-20. On tour, private people take pity on these wayward souls and help them on to the next show. The same is true in your average city with your soup kitchen or shelter. Believe it or not, this is the free market system, capitalism, or whatever you want to call it. It actually works, if left to fix itself.
In my day I called them dirt heads and apparently I am not sympathetic to their plight. Maybe I should be, but if I went to a show I either had a tix or the means to get one. Most of these heads expected a handout or a "miracle" as they liked to call it. Please.... Isn't that just like calling a bailout a rescue? Anyway for those who don't know, a miracle is a "free" tix to the show. Every show there would be hundreds of these fine tree-hugger panhandlers. Show after show after show.
Now, I look at the world and I see these people everywhere. Thank god I don't make enough money to worry about how they get by. These are the people that our Rock Star Obama is praying for. Asking them to register and vote for "change". Too bad the republicans are just as bad. Their life-blood is the wonderful Christian-right.
When if ever, is this country going to wake up and see what the founders really wanted? I think never.... But we can always hope.
Posted by silently_screaming at 5:13 AM
WWJD?
Jerry Garcia, and all of the Grateful Dead may well have been liberals. But their ethic was libertarianism. They felt that they had no right to impose their politics on anyone. That is why they openly shunned politics throughout their career.
What would Jerry do now? Who knows? But I have a feeling his libertarian streak would have shone through, regardless. In any case, this show is not a Dead show per se, but a show by an amalgram of artists, who are free to express their politics anyway they wish. It's also a free country, so more power to them. No, I'm not an Obama supporter, but so what? If they want to play, let them play.
Considering the talent, I'll wager a whole shitload of conservatives will be there. After all, it's all about he music, not the bullshit politics.
I live in no bubble I can assure you! lol
Ed Sieb said
Exactly! You've been living in a liberal bubble all your life, with, most likely, zero contact with conservatives. I mean real friendships, or other real connections. Keep disparaging conservatives.. keep believing those myths and falsehoods... keep your fine, precious prejudices. Keep your bigotry against "certain" Dead Heads. Yeah... that'll do it.
Uninformed is right.
I know tons of conservatives and am friends with quite a few conservatives. We talk about things and we agree on some and disagree on others. Now I am not totally a liberal, but I just can't get it why people that are TOTAL conservatives would really GET the Dead like I and many others have. Not saying I am special cause I "get" the Dead, it just kinda happened to be honest on some sunny day! But what the Dead stood for, and a LOT of the shows they did that supported LIBERAL efforts and concerns, I stand for also. What about Greenpeace, they did several shows in NYC for that effort and I don't know ONE conservative who would endorse those tree hugging people from Greenpeace.
I do appreciate that we all LOVE the music. But for me, and others, there was more there then just the music. There was and is a vibe of freedom, equality, peace, love, and really thoughts and actions that just don't have a damn thing to do with the way my conservative friends think or view the world.
So don't go saying I know nothing about conservatives, I have plenty of conservative friends, we just don't hang out much anymore because we don't have a lot in common. I am about saving the earth and its people, they are more into capitalism, which is fine for them, I just disagree that that is the most important ideal there is. They don't agree with abortion, which I believe its up to the woman and her God or lack thereof, to make that decision. Bottom line is that theres not much we agree upon. How does this relate to the Dead? Well, I learned all these ideas and things from people at shows and the music. Ya know, sometimes ya get shown the light in the strangest of places of you look at it right. Thats what happened to me.
I hate that this show is causing such a breakdown of the family. But I agree that the boys have a right to stand up for whatever they want to. After all the Dead never followed any rules. lol
Soup kitchens are NOT capitalism!
Thats socialism is what your talking about, taking care of your fellow man in that way. BTW, we have socialist programs in our country. These are programs that everybody pays for and we don't even think about it. Fireman and police are 2 fine examples of socialist services. These are paid for by the whole community and we ALL have equal access to these services, that is what socialism is, this is not capitalism. Capitalism is about free market and profits.
I agree with the person that said this is not particularly a Dead show, its a bunch of great musicians who are taking their time to make a stand for something they believe in.
BTW, I do miracle people with tix if I have any extras. But I miracle those that are on tour and doing something postive for our community. Giving away free food, or whatever there gig is. Its about giving not taking in my opinion. IF we all were takers there would be NO scene.
Don't get me wrong
I don't like the christian right or anyone telling a woman what to do with her body. just as i don't want anyone telling me what to do with my body. I love the music and i really was a huge liberal until i figured out that they are a sham too. Honestly, my point was the support of a political candidate who happens to be a socialist is not a stand they would of done before. do they feel guilty? i hope not. i will thank each and every one of them for the joy and happiness they have brought me. i am 38 years old and like churchill said a man with a heart at 18 is a lib and a man with a brain at 40 is a conservative. i still have not made it there because of the judging morals thing. I am a libertarian and i am pretty sure you guys are to you just don't know it yet. try this and see.
http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html