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June 11, 2009 - 9:46am

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marye

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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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September 27, 2015 - 7:59am

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Guss West

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August 21, 2015

Thank you

You all have my word that the vines I am sent will be carefully tended until they are ready to be passed along. Love and Gratitude to those who invest in endlessly seeding. The Music Never Stops!
August 29, 2012 - 4:26pm

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RaymondMBrown

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March 20, 2009

Wow....

Haven't been around here for a while... but things are different huh?? JackstrawfromColorado.... let me know what shows you need.... I have them all pretty much covered. Sorry to see there has been some toxins in the Vineyard.... doesn't take much to kill 'em off.... Hope everyone is otherwise well. -Raymond.
August 28, 2012 - 6:10pm

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zepthompson

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November 1, 2010

Mark

I think I have your email pretty sure you have mine next time you are up this way..... take care amigo!
August 28, 2012 - 5:31pm

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JackstrawfromC…

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January 2, 2009

Thanks oroboros!!

Thanks for backing me up and thank you too Jake. People are funneling vines to carolina boy I see and all I can say is "whatever". I tried being the vine cop but it was a grueling, thankless job and I spent way too much time and resources re-seeding vines and doing the follow ups with folks. No one could do what markinthedark did, and I suspect much like me he got way too burned out. I love a lot of you out there but the people with total disregard I cannot deal with anymore. I am signed up for the two 83 vines and I hope someone who has my email address could email me when they are coming my way I would be very grateful. Then I am officially out of here. The 72 europe bullshit and now the new site are making me crazy too so again, take care everyone I love you I loved trading with y'all but it is really time for me to say fare thee well. If you have my email drop me a letter and I'd love to trade that way with you but I am done here. Mark
August 25, 2012 - 11:05am

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Jake R

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October 27, 2008

Hey guys,

I just bumped all of Fall 72 and the entire 73 vines. Lot of stuff is lost over the pond unfortnately and lost in the server change-over.
August 20, 2012 - 8:55pm

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Oroboros

Joined:
June 4, 2007

As one of the original group that started vining here

'back in the day' I can agree that I have watched while several individuals took and took and ended up being 'vine killers'. They showed up, got on the list to receive the vine and then never sent them onto those next on the list. While I have not been as active, of late I will agree with my brothers comments that it is difficult to keep the vineyard producing when some just take and take. I wish I had an answer. For a while we were attentive and kept track and then ericat and then Markinthedark helped us attend to keeping the vineyard going. But if we don't identify those that are toxic to the cause don't be surprised when so many vines die. I don't think that Jake R and JackstrawfromCo would be expressing these concerns if carolina boy didn't have a history. Has he reseeded the vines that disappeared when sent to him ? A show of good faith? I can't be the 'vine cop' and I have watched as that role has unfortunately burnt out several of my brothers in the Vineyard. And they are gone. FYI- I have reseeded many CDs to get vines back on track here, both with the vines I started and ones that were seeded by others. Saying that isn't to expect praise but to offer that I have invested in the Vineyard, and have been given back far more than I have put into this wonderful space. The Wheel does go round.. I will say to those on the vineyard that our history is right here to view. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself.
August 16, 2012 - 9:05pm

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Jake R

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October 27, 2008

My sentiments exactly

Mark, I completely agree with u. Idk if he thinks enough time has passed and we forgot but I certainly have not. I wholeheartedly encourage a banishment of him from any vines he is on. I too do not speak ill of anyone; this has always been a great community. But if any vines he is on gets sent to him and not passed along I too will be done with this place.
August 16, 2012 - 7:23pm

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JackstrawfromC…

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carolina boy

you guys I know I don't come around here much anymore but the vineyard will always be a place I will cherish, for the music and the people who formed this community. I am probably coming across like a big ol jerk here but I don't care because this guy here .. carolina boy ... single handily took the vineyard down. a bunch of us went to a lot of work to reseed all the vines he STOLE from here. I'm getting emotional right now because I must sound like an asshole but I don't care ... i just hope someone from the old days who remembers backs me up... please do not trade with him ... I mean actually do whatever you want but I know what he did to the vineyard and I am letting you all know
July 29, 2012 - 4:06pm

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stepineden72

Joined:
January 22, 2011

A Big Thank You!

To Jake for reseeding all the missing '67, '68 and '69 vines.You be the MAN Jake! Yeah,just like a kid turned loose in a freakin' candy store I am. Thanks again.
July 29, 2012 - 2:07pm

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Jake R

Joined:
October 27, 2008

sorry for the double post

the first left out the links.

Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

Does anybody have

The Who Springfield, MA 12-14-1975 master audience recording taped by Dan Lampinski. I would love a copy if it's out there.

Lampinsky

Guys, my computer crashed the other day and I am writing this from a friend's computer (mine is in the shop, supposedly can be repaired, circuit problem). I had that JT show on my list of shows to get, and I think there is another JT show he recorded, either from 75 or 77. Re: the Who, I would check that website we have discussed Lopezz; I bet it is there. And yeah, a second Lampinsky vine will be needed. JT, Supertramp, the Who, and there are a few other good ones I am sure.

dstache

That Who show is on the web site. (http://qualitybootz.blogspot.com/) I can't get it right now, I'm having computer problems too. I was hoping Someone out there in Dead.net land may have it. UncleJon maybe?

Lampinski Who 12-14-75

Working on the d/l now. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

Aaaah, a nice Baba O'Riley...

The Who show is an really nice recording. Pulling down the Lampinski Moody Blues 11-23-78 now... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

Scratch that...

This Who show is awesome! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

REQUEST

Does anybody have 9-23-76 Duke University? One of only seventeen times (according to Deadbase) the Boys played Morning Dew and Wharf Rat. Nice overall set list with a lot of B for A. I have no idea as to the quality of the playing, but I love 76. "That path is for, your steps alone."

9/23/76

I have sbd.backus.14687, but am hesitant to trade or vine it as I grade the sound quality as only B+. I suggest going to archive and seeing if a better version circulates.

Thanks, Derek

"That path is for, your steps alone."

I have that same source

sbd.backus but I'll keep my eyes out for some other sources... "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"

road trips

I'm gonna comment here because I don't want to piss off BJ or dissuade any non-viners from purchasing it. I am not excited about this release. Just as I have not been excited about most of the releases in the last couple of years. I think the early show is good (3-3.5 out of 5 stars) and the late show very good (4 to 4.5 out of 5). But both already circulate as A SBDs. Can someone who signed up for my 70 vine back me up there on the sound quality, if not the performance quality as well? I WANT to give the Dead some money. I feel that I owe them. But I don't want them to act like I owe them. And that's how many of the recent releases make me feel. This isn't a bad release. And if the show didn't circulate it may even be a good release. But because it already circulates as an A SBD, what's the point? I know, I'm jaded, and the more shows you get, the more jaded you get. BTW, I purchased 30 of the 36 DP's, both Winterland box sets, the 69 Fillmore box, plus many other official releases. I give the Dead money. But now, it has to be for something I really want. A show that doesn't circulate, or a very good or great show that circulates only in subpar sound quality.

'stache

I'm sorry you feel jaded, dude. Your reasoning is sound, but... just think of those '77's that came out ... they were all A boards, too, but after the powers that be had their way with them they became absolute pearls!!! I'm really excited about the three disc format - I know that what is available for the 5/15/70 is eight discs (w/ NRPS), but maybe this will be a harbinger for shows that are three discs. We are, but a few, missing the absolute aural richness of these remasters because the HDCD format requires equipment we don't have. I'd like to hear a handful of the early Dick's Picks remastered with todays technology - especially 5/02/70!!! BTW, I can't wait to sample your next Pink Floyd vine - it looks killer. " Where does the time go? "

'stache

Ulysses S. Grant? WTF!

Go here and scroll down to Workingsman Dead for $5 http://www.dead.net/front_page Down here, we consider him a war criminal :-)

dstache

I don't get overly excited about these releases. At least not yet! "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"

Lampinski p2

I just d/l'd, extracted, and converted to WAV the Who show. Then I logged in here and see that unclejon already snagged it. Unclejon, if you want to take the lead on a Lampinski AUD part 2 vine, with the 76 Jethro Tull show and the Who show, plus some others, feel free. There is a 75 Lou Reed show that I have been unable to download, and 76 Skynyrd, 74 Marshall Tucker, 76 Boston (whcih would be really cool but the band had sound problems and I don't know how it affected the recording), a 75 Jethro Tull, and a 76 and 77 Supertramp that I haven't tried to download yet. Those are the ones that I think look interesting, but there are others you may find so, and who knows if any others will be unleashed (a 79 Supertramp, Breakfast tour, would be awesome). Let me know if you need any help. Oh, and I got my computer back and it seems to be fine. There was a problem with the circuit board.

dstache

I am out of town until next week and didn't want to coop the Lampinski movement from you. It'd take me another week or so to d/l anymore of the shows as I will be slammed at work when I return. I'd be happy to work on it with you though. If you have any of the other shows you mentioned let me know and we can put it together. I'll PM you and we can coordinate? "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

RT3.3

I don’t know how they choose what to release, but 5-15-70 seems a fair choice to me. I am not sure we can expect them to second-guess what everyone already owns or analyse what is out there. What is often frustrating is not knowing exactly what is and is not in the Vault and so not knowing what they could have released (9/23/76 apparently is not in the vault unfortunately). Many of us have been howling for full shows and we have 3 or 4 discs with almost two full shows (albeit chopped up and mixed up). What tempts me every time a new RT comes out is the sound quality. I ended up buying an HDCD compatible player last year thanks to EBay. Maybe the Dead have shares in Microsoft (who own the HDCD patent). There is also some special feeling about having the CD set on the shelf, even thought I don’t care much for the RT packaging. Maybe instead of getting stressed about the official releases that duplicate circulating shows we should instead be grateful that there is often a free alternative for those short of $$. Plus you get an extra Deep Elem Blues that is not on any of the circulating recordings or on any of the published setlists that I have seen. How can you resist THAT? ;-)

I agree Badger

I am willing to put out some of my hard-earned bucks for a quality upgrade with stuff I already have. Also, looking at the comments, it appears that this release has been well-accepted by the community. "That path is for, your steps alone."

A friend let me borrow

RT vol2 #4 and I don't understand why they chop it all up and jumble the song order - like parts of May 26th spliced in with parts of May 27th. That doesn't make sense to me but whatever. I do like the last couple releases- 11-15-71 and 12-28-79 that were complete shows with the songs in the correct order. I personally would rather compromise a bit of sound qaulity in order to get the show unaltered. That's just me though... Like I have said before, I support the band by seeing them live and I do that a lot!! :-) "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"

And of course

The Philly 1989 release too! "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"

Fellow Viners - Mystery Vine

I am posting here because I know someone who reads these threads can probably help out. I recently received a vine and cannot locate it in the Forum to figure out who to mail it to next. (just a thought, if we write the vine on the outside of the envelope it might avoid these types of scenarios). anyway, the vine I currently have contains the following shows: 4-23-84 6-26-84 6-30-84 each show is two CD-Rs of FLAC files. it was mailed to me from a fellow viner in Alaska. if anyone knows which vine this let me know, I will look it up and get it mailed out ASAP! thanks

That sounds like

A vine from that nice hippy guy. I think he had a 1984 sbd vine or something like that going. "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"

Mystery Solved

Thanks to Jackstraw and 1958 this vine has been identified as '84 SDB Part 1 vine. I have posted in the forum and bumped it up. Dave

Wow!

There are a lot of stalled vines. It's been about 4 weeks since I have received a vine. I am still due to get about 15 of 'em but I doubt any of them will show up. Part 4 '77 was one I was looking forward to.

Stalled Vines

I agree EDAD. Some have recently been re-vived but we have a long way to go. What I have noticed is that no one comes around the vineyard much anymore. That doesn't help. "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"

I`m still around

just don`t post much anymore. " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "

Been missing you stuman!

"Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"

stuff

On some message boards, the "last log-in" date is shown beside the poster screen name. If we could see when some of these folks last logged in, that would help in figuring out if someone is reliable or not. I've got some '95 soundboards that I may plan to vine in the next month. I am a little hesitant because they are not in flac format. They guy who sent them to me left 1 second gaps between tracks.

Garcia / Elvis Costello

Hey gang, About 20 years ago Garcia / Costello did a few shows together in Mill Valley Ca. There are some boots out there and just curious if this has ever been vined or if someone is interested in starting a vine. From what I understand there is some great quaity material out there. Let me know and thanks . EJJD

garcia/costello

you can watch them with all sorts of other fine folks here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzNgmx7MML0 and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYmcYubnak8 quite a few more tracks on Youtube too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY6-kJlxwZc Garcia and Sammy Hagar!

Hey folks

I just got a new cell phone , does anyone know of any cool apps ? Is there a Foobar app for smart phones ? Thanks . And yes a Garcia / Costello vine sounds good . Garcia and Hagar would be nice too . " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "

I have a sbd of Elvis Costello @ Mill Valley 4-24-89 show, that

includes friends such as; Nick Lowe, Jerry Scheff, Austin DelLeone, James Burton, Scott Mathews, then later add in Charles Brown, Kim Wilson, Steve Straus, and later add Jerry Garcia & Pete Sears and then later Commander Cody, Sammy Hagar, Annie Simpson, Mitch Woods jump in and then Bob Weir decides to jump in. And it turns into a big jam session. This has 27 songs on 2 CDs. From Elvis playing solo (in first four songs) to adding the wide variety of friends that showed up to play with him. Is this what you all are looking for? The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.

Garcia & Hagar

Wow I just looked at the video , pretty cool !! Hey can anyone get ahold of that video ? It would be nice to see it all without the buffering . " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "

Vault content index

Can a request be made of Lemieux or some other to index exactly what is in the vault? Since, apparently, so much of it is missing it shouldn't be that hard to do and it would seem to help everybody out a lot in figuring out what to request/buy.

Garcia / Costello

Yes Oroboros that is it. Is it out there on a vine or can it be vined? EJJD " the wheel is turning round and round"

ejjd

it's in the queue. Soon come.

Hippy Guy?

Has anybody heard from Trevor? "That path is for, your steps alone."

Hippy

He was taking some time off, last time I talked to him a couple of months ago.

Thanks, Derek

I was a little concerned. "That path is for, your steps alone."

Wish I'd have waited a couple weeks before doing the JGB Moore

Theatre vine. Just got the JGB 9/10/76 Berkeley show also an MotB production. It's on Dime if anyone wants it. DMTT

Spring 89

I'll post a 4 show "best of" within the next week. I still have to listen to 2 more (4/15 and 16). I don't have the last show (4/17) of the tour or the late April and May California shows, but the latter aren't really part of the tour anyways. So far, I think 3/31, 4/5 and 4/6 are the best. I'm looking forward to listening to the final 2. 4/15 has a great set list (2 of Brent's best, Blow Away and I Will Take You Home, as well as Franklin's Tower, China/Rider, Playing, Terrapin and if that is not enough Dew). This will be like most of my other "best of" vines, meaning there will be 1 FLAC DVD, I will convert and burn to CD 1 show, and the first 3 people will each need to convert and burn 1 show.

Jerry Garcia

Hard to believe it has been 15 years. RIP JERRY, and thanks for all the joy and goodwill you spread during your time on Earth. "That path is for, your steps alone."

Is Josh still around? (Fluffhead 420)

I've got a vine for him, but I have seen no activity from him in quite a while, and have not gotten a PM back. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"

fluffhead is around

He posted somewhere (can't remember exactly where) just the other day. "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"

Thx Mark

I will pop this vine out to him then. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"

Apology to the Vine'rs

I have been a poor vine'r for some months. I made it all right today and got all vines sent to me burned and out. Please forgive in my length especially with the 11 from 85' and 8 from Zeppelin. These vines are ALIVE AND WELL and in the hands of the US Post. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"

Ahh no worries birdsong!

Good to see you back! "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"