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June 11, 2009 - 9:46am

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marye

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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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September 27, 2015 - 7:59am

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Guss West

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August 21, 2015

Thank you

You all have my word that the vines I am sent will be carefully tended until they are ready to be passed along. Love and Gratitude to those who invest in endlessly seeding. The Music Never Stops!
August 29, 2012 - 4:26pm

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RaymondMBrown

Joined:
March 20, 2009

Wow....

Haven't been around here for a while... but things are different huh?? JackstrawfromColorado.... let me know what shows you need.... I have them all pretty much covered. Sorry to see there has been some toxins in the Vineyard.... doesn't take much to kill 'em off.... Hope everyone is otherwise well. -Raymond.
August 28, 2012 - 6:10pm

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zepthompson

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November 1, 2010

Mark

I think I have your email pretty sure you have mine next time you are up this way..... take care amigo!
August 28, 2012 - 5:31pm

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JackstrawfromC…

Joined:
January 2, 2009

Thanks oroboros!!

Thanks for backing me up and thank you too Jake. People are funneling vines to carolina boy I see and all I can say is "whatever". I tried being the vine cop but it was a grueling, thankless job and I spent way too much time and resources re-seeding vines and doing the follow ups with folks. No one could do what markinthedark did, and I suspect much like me he got way too burned out. I love a lot of you out there but the people with total disregard I cannot deal with anymore. I am signed up for the two 83 vines and I hope someone who has my email address could email me when they are coming my way I would be very grateful. Then I am officially out of here. The 72 europe bullshit and now the new site are making me crazy too so again, take care everyone I love you I loved trading with y'all but it is really time for me to say fare thee well. If you have my email drop me a letter and I'd love to trade that way with you but I am done here. Mark
August 25, 2012 - 11:05am

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Jake R

Joined:
October 27, 2008

Hey guys,

I just bumped all of Fall 72 and the entire 73 vines. Lot of stuff is lost over the pond unfortnately and lost in the server change-over.
August 20, 2012 - 8:55pm

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Oroboros

Joined:
June 4, 2007

As one of the original group that started vining here

'back in the day' I can agree that I have watched while several individuals took and took and ended up being 'vine killers'. They showed up, got on the list to receive the vine and then never sent them onto those next on the list. While I have not been as active, of late I will agree with my brothers comments that it is difficult to keep the vineyard producing when some just take and take. I wish I had an answer. For a while we were attentive and kept track and then ericat and then Markinthedark helped us attend to keeping the vineyard going. But if we don't identify those that are toxic to the cause don't be surprised when so many vines die. I don't think that Jake R and JackstrawfromCo would be expressing these concerns if carolina boy didn't have a history. Has he reseeded the vines that disappeared when sent to him ? A show of good faith? I can't be the 'vine cop' and I have watched as that role has unfortunately burnt out several of my brothers in the Vineyard. And they are gone. FYI- I have reseeded many CDs to get vines back on track here, both with the vines I started and ones that were seeded by others. Saying that isn't to expect praise but to offer that I have invested in the Vineyard, and have been given back far more than I have put into this wonderful space. The Wheel does go round.. I will say to those on the vineyard that our history is right here to view. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself.
August 16, 2012 - 9:05pm

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Jake R

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October 27, 2008

My sentiments exactly

Mark, I completely agree with u. Idk if he thinks enough time has passed and we forgot but I certainly have not. I wholeheartedly encourage a banishment of him from any vines he is on. I too do not speak ill of anyone; this has always been a great community. But if any vines he is on gets sent to him and not passed along I too will be done with this place.
August 16, 2012 - 7:23pm

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JackstrawfromC…

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January 2, 2009

carolina boy

you guys I know I don't come around here much anymore but the vineyard will always be a place I will cherish, for the music and the people who formed this community. I am probably coming across like a big ol jerk here but I don't care because this guy here .. carolina boy ... single handily took the vineyard down. a bunch of us went to a lot of work to reseed all the vines he STOLE from here. I'm getting emotional right now because I must sound like an asshole but I don't care ... i just hope someone from the old days who remembers backs me up... please do not trade with him ... I mean actually do whatever you want but I know what he did to the vineyard and I am letting you all know
July 29, 2012 - 4:06pm

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stepineden72

Joined:
January 22, 2011

A Big Thank You!

To Jake for reseeding all the missing '67, '68 and '69 vines.You be the MAN Jake! Yeah,just like a kid turned loose in a freakin' candy store I am. Thanks again.
July 29, 2012 - 2:07pm

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Jake R

Joined:
October 27, 2008

sorry for the double post

the first left out the links.

Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

seems like things are

seems like things are pickin' back up with the new folks who have joined us. I remember a year or 2 ago if you waited a few hours to sign up for a new posted vine, you were like 15th on the waiting list. If you waited a day, you were like 20th. :-)

EDA

Totally!! And MitD would almost always be first. "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"

sigh

anybody heard from him?

MitD

Not only was he often first, but he was a great "cop." Although things seem to be picking up a bit, there are still too many stalled vines. That path is for, your steps alone."

my advice to the new

my advice to the new folks--get all you can while the gettins[sic] good. I am on 2 yahoo GD list serves, and nobody wants to trade or do anything on these lists. This really is the best place to be to get shows by the truck load. Where is... tomo brewster boy hippy guy ursa minor (Donnie)

vining/trading

This is still the best place that I know of. The stalled vines do bother me, especially the ones that haven't reached many people. Hippy said a few months ago that he was taking some time off from the Dead to concentrate on other music that he had been ignoring. We'll leave the side door open for him. :)

I hope we can keep this site strong

Even though I have pretty much tapped into every vine available here I still like to show up and trade the shows I have and chat with you all. It's my escape from the "real" world. And every now and then a vine shows up that fills in some of my gaps so that's a bonus. Anyways I feel an allegience to the vineyard since it has provided me with over half the live shows I own and I am grateful to have met you all even if it is only over the internet. "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"

here here

This vineyard is an amazing place ! The best source I know of indeed . It has been amazing wachin it grow and being able to contribute has also been amazing. I do hope all stalled vines come back to life soon. Espeacally the ones I seeded Bcuz I can't do anything to help right now. Work has taken me away from Computer and all my music collection. Bty does anyone have or can get the latest Rush show from the tweeter center Camden N.J. my sister would be eternally grateful for this show. Take er easy folks " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "

@JSFC

Mark, I feel the same way. "That path is for, your steps alone."

Nothing from MITD.....

Sad to say.......still, I think it's so strange....... "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"

MITD

I think he is still here going by a diferent name. " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "

that would be nice

but I wish he'd let us know he's okay!

stuman

Really?? Why would he be so mysterious? "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"

I don't think so

I have his mailing address and e-mail address. At the time is left, he stopped responding to his e-mail. I had sent him a note, In fact, I'll e-mail him now and see what happens. He is/was from Louisville, KY 40214

Question regarding international viners...

Revived a couple dead vines (pun intended) received from rangerjoe (long story)....after pming the list I came across a guy in Belarus....not sure if sending to Belarus is the best way to keep a vine alive...I don't think want to do international anyway. Still hate to overlook anyone. What do you all think is the best way to handle these requests? Leave it if you dare...

maybe

i should take a moment and say "hey". i know that i'm really new here, and have been going back through "the jungle" discovering some old vines. i am an active trader of mostly .wav media, and before landing here have some 400+ shows, along with 100+ dead shows. my collection ranges from r&b, jazz, bluegrass, pop, rock,metal and country western. in my library you will find the dead,john hartford, waylon jennings, zepplin, floyd, the stones, rush, madonna,muddy waters, leftover salmon, ect et. all. what i am really interested in collecting right now is shows from ebbets field. in general i love and appreciate live music, and am saddened by the amount of quality music that has died here. but in general this is just to let you all know that these vines and others i have to offer will not die here... any questions feel free to pm me- matt "Hand me my old guitar, pass the whiskey 'round"

stephen

I have done this for one international (European person). I just made them a copy and sent it on to them and then kept the vine going in North America. I was pretty happy because the person in Finland sent me a disc of music from his country that was very nice, I wasn't expecting that. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

Ebbets Field?

Dude, I hope you are referring to a venue other than the famous Ebbets Field in Brooklyn! I doubt there were many concerts there and very few recordings!! All kidding aside, isn't there an Ebbets Field in Colorado? Why the special interest? "That path is for, your steps alone."

Ebbets Field

In the mid 70's there was an Ebbet's Field in downtown Denver that hosted some musical performances (some pretty good bands and that) but I am almost positive the GD never played there. It would have been cool if they did - the place was small like 200-300 people small. Ebbets Field in Brooklyn was home of the Dodgers wasn't it? Like really old!! I don't think the GD were even around yet when that place was hopping?? "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"

Ebbets Field

The Ebbets Field in Brooklyn was torn down in 1960 after the Dodgers skipped town to LA in 1958. An interesting fact (well to me anyway) is that the Dodgers have been playing at Dodger Stadium for a longer time than they had played at Ebbets Field. I am sure Maustin was talking about the one in Colorado, but I don't think he was referring to any GD shows. I am just curious why he is focusing on that venue. "That path is for, your steps alone."

1973 Ebbetts

http://www.listenup.com/Live+From+Ebbets+Field+Vol+3-p-Ebbets3-p-.html Within the vineyard, check out the Little Feat collection: 7/19/73 is legendary. Lowell George could really sing the blues and play a mean guitar. Cat Fever, Fat Man, Walkin all night....

ebbets field-

lived in denver for many, many a years- other than good jazz & blues on the corner of 20th & larimer. where was it? el chutipec.......

Google Says......

Ebbets Field named after the famed Brooklyn Dodgers ballpark was a small club in the early to late 70's located on 1020 15th street in Denver Colorado "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"

Ah yeah - El Chapultepec

Right near Coors Field. Sweet jazz dive bar, super small. It's still there but Ebbets Field was over on 15th and like Curtis (somewhere in there). "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"

Viners, interest in new Live Neil? And some old stuff for fun?

Have an excellent sonic offering of his Neils current solo tour. This one from a show at Shea's in Buffalo NY 5-19-10. (2 CDs)New songs as well. And my Neil benefactor found a 1976 Boulder CO 11-6-76 that we road tripped to. 1/2 acoustic and then with Crazy Horse. (2 CDs) Not quite as clean but definately some fun and a time trip to boot. Both are audience records. Anyway, will vine if any interest. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.

I'd be up for some Neil

"The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"

Potential 1978 Vines??

Over the last couple of months I have collected all of 1978. A mix of sbd/mtx/aud recordings. I checked the vine dex and really there have not been that many shows from 78 vined here. I'd just seed every single show because that's how I am =) but I thought maybe I'd do something different and first ask if there are any particular shows from that year you all would like to have and I could start a vine or 2 that way. Otherwise I'll just start some vines focusing on sbd/mtx recordings that I think are good =) I thought it may be fun to do something like this. You can post your choices or ask questions here or PM me. "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"

Oroboros

Neil Young ? Oh hell yea !! Next chance I get I also have some Neil I can vine out. Thank. You Oroboros !! :-) " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "

JSTRAW

Has Pittsburgh 78 been seeded yet? I think it was 4/18 or something like that. Also, although I was disappointed at the time, has the Meadowlands 78 show been vined? I think it was in the first week of September, right before they went to Egypt. I would be curious to hear it again all these years later and compare it to how I felt at the show. Thanks.

Hey pomo!

Yes I have gd78-09-02.sbd.miller.106818.sbeok.flac16 and gd78-04-18.sbd.cotsman.14036.sbeok.shnf. "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"

Ruben & Cherise

I would like to get some of these shows containing the only GD live versions of Ruben & Cherise. 03-17-91 Capital Centre, Landover, Md. 03-27-91 Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, N.Y. 04-07-91 Orlando Arena, 0rlando, Fl.

3/17/91

was vined on one of those 90's vines. I think one of Hippy's vines.

thanks

thanks for the tip

8/30/83 Eugene Show

Hey I was wondering if anyone has this show and if so have you listened to the opening remarks?? It is kind of bizarre, it sounds to me like he is making fun of deadheads but it is sort of subtle, maybe it is just a quirky Oregon thing? I have heard other shows played in Oregon where they make some weird comments to the crowd before the show starts. I always thought Oregon was laid back and hippie friendly especially Eugene... "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"

Jackstraw

Eugene is not hippie friendly, as a matter of fact the whole NW is very antihippie and antibacktolander and antiGratefulDead. It is all postgrunge, coffee and microbrews, big trees mountains and lots of rain. Everyone stay home, do not move here, you will have big slugs in your shoes and your old ticket stubs will gather mildew unless you live on the Eastside and then it is dry and dusty, too dry and dusty for any normal humans and your old ticket stubs will just crumble in the dry air and turn to dust.. Everyone stay home, do not move. And by the way they don't trust Pranksters out here either. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

Seriously Hal?

I mean besides not wanting people to move to the NW (believe me I totally get that) =) Then I was on furthur.net and this is one of the first sentences describing the September tour - "The first stop features two nights at the magical Cuthbert Amphitheatre in what is likely one of the most Dead Head-friendly cities in America, Eugene, OR." Eventhough I already thought OR was laid back when I read that I was thinking "really, in all of America"?? Considering pretty much any city in CO is dead head friendly (well except for extreme east and south) I found that to be a pretty bold statement especially since neither Eugene show is sold out. I don't mean to diss Oregon I was just trying to put some pieces together. "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"

I beg to differ

If you want a mellow, hip scene and meet some nice folks in Oregon please just go to the Oregon County Fair. The last time I checked Hipsters liked micro-breweries, coffee houses, and even hanging out with some post grungers. Western OR. can be wet, but it is some of the most beautiful country I have ever seen on this Earth (my experience spans 4 continents). The coastline is breath taking. The east is hot and dry, but a lot of "humans" love it there too. The State is a culinary mecca with the best seafood, amazing organic farms, and incredible wine makers. It is a spectacular natural play ground with great skiing, mountain biking, hiking. Portland and Eugene have great music scenes and very nice, welcoming people. The Grateful Dead played amazing shows there from their inception all over the state. Some of my favorite recordings are from the many shows they played at the Paramount. As did Hal, I am just stating my opinion. William Blake also says "A fool sees not the same tree that a wise man sees." "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"

ooop's

Paramount's in Seattle! "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"

Hal

Please don't think I was calling you a fool. I always thought that said that every one sees the same thing in completely different ways...... "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"

oh, hal

heeeheeeeeee!!....mildew on the west side......dude!! (I thought my beard was gettin' longer...now I know the truth!!)

Another Reuben

Reuben and Cherise showed up in the first set at Buckeye Lake on 6/9/91, too. You can easily download audience flac files from archive.org A comment on the Buckeye Lake page refers to the Orlando version from 4/7 http://www.archive.org/details/gd1991-04-07.senn.unknown.33337.sbeok.fl…

Hey Birdsong

I couldn't help but laugh at your comment. I doubt you intended it, but you straight out called Hal a fool. "That path is for, your steps alone."

Please don't get me wrong

I think OR is an awesome state as well but I have heard opposing opinions on the "culture" there. "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"

Ruben & Cherise

Can someone vine these shows or send them to me? These contain the rare versions of Ruben & Cherise. 03-27-91 Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, N.Y. 04-07-91 Orlando Arena, 0rlando, Fl. 06-09-91 Buckeye Lake Music Center, Hebron, Oh. The other Ruben & Cherise show (03-17-91 Capital Centre, Landover, Md) is vined, and I have signed up for it.

Try driving from Vancouver to Seattle sometime

Hey, there's truth in Hal's description of the PNW: I-5 is an absolute nightmare. Congestion from Olympia, thru Tacoma and up into metro Seattle is very intense. Good thing he lives east of the Cascades beyond the desert.

aw fooey

It isn't as bad as I-5 'tween Oakland and San leandro any time or day of the week, but from Seattle to Tacoma is much worse then from Tacoma to Seattle, however that doesn't affect the weather......much...

Jackstraw and Birdsong

No, not seriously. Eugene drips with Deadheads and Hippies. Did you read my last sentence? "And by the way they don't trust Pranksters out here either." Birdsong, I enjoyed reading your defense of the area. Ted, yes that traffic on the Westside is not laid back. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake