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    marye
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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • September 27, 2015 - 7:59am
    Guss West
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    Thank you
    You all have my word that the vines I am sent will be carefully tended until they are ready to be passed along. Love and Gratitude to those who invest in endlessly seeding. The Music Never Stops!
  • August 29, 2012 - 4:26pm
    RaymondMBrown
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    Wow....
    Haven't been around here for a while... but things are different huh?? JackstrawfromColorado.... let me know what shows you need.... I have them all pretty much covered. Sorry to see there has been some toxins in the Vineyard.... doesn't take much to kill 'em off.... Hope everyone is otherwise well. -Raymond.
  • August 28, 2012 - 6:10pm
    zepthompson
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    Mark
    I think I have your email pretty sure you have mine next time you are up this way..... take care amigo!
  • August 28, 2012 - 5:31pm
    JackstrawfromC…
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    Thanks oroboros!!
    Thanks for backing me up and thank you too Jake. People are funneling vines to carolina boy I see and all I can say is "whatever". I tried being the vine cop but it was a grueling, thankless job and I spent way too much time and resources re-seeding vines and doing the follow ups with folks. No one could do what markinthedark did, and I suspect much like me he got way too burned out. I love a lot of you out there but the people with total disregard I cannot deal with anymore. I am signed up for the two 83 vines and I hope someone who has my email address could email me when they are coming my way I would be very grateful. Then I am officially out of here. The 72 europe bullshit and now the new site are making me crazy too so again, take care everyone I love you I loved trading with y'all but it is really time for me to say fare thee well. If you have my email drop me a letter and I'd love to trade that way with you but I am done here. Mark
  • August 25, 2012 - 11:05am
    Jake R
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    Hey guys,
    I just bumped all of Fall 72 and the entire 73 vines. Lot of stuff is lost over the pond unfortnately and lost in the server change-over.
  • August 20, 2012 - 8:55pm
    Oroboros
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    As one of the original group that started vining here
    'back in the day' I can agree that I have watched while several individuals took and took and ended up being 'vine killers'. They showed up, got on the list to receive the vine and then never sent them onto those next on the list. While I have not been as active, of late I will agree with my brothers comments that it is difficult to keep the vineyard producing when some just take and take. I wish I had an answer. For a while we were attentive and kept track and then ericat and then Markinthedark helped us attend to keeping the vineyard going. But if we don't identify those that are toxic to the cause don't be surprised when so many vines die. I don't think that Jake R and JackstrawfromCo would be expressing these concerns if carolina boy didn't have a history. Has he reseeded the vines that disappeared when sent to him ? A show of good faith? I can't be the 'vine cop' and I have watched as that role has unfortunately burnt out several of my brothers in the Vineyard. And they are gone. FYI- I have reseeded many CDs to get vines back on track here, both with the vines I started and ones that were seeded by others. Saying that isn't to expect praise but to offer that I have invested in the Vineyard, and have been given back far more than I have put into this wonderful space. The Wheel does go round.. I will say to those on the vineyard that our history is right here to view. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself.
  • August 16, 2012 - 9:05pm
    Jake R
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    My sentiments exactly
    Mark, I completely agree with u. Idk if he thinks enough time has passed and we forgot but I certainly have not. I wholeheartedly encourage a banishment of him from any vines he is on. I too do not speak ill of anyone; this has always been a great community. But if any vines he is on gets sent to him and not passed along I too will be done with this place.
  • August 16, 2012 - 7:23pm
    JackstrawfromC…
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    carolina boy
    you guys I know I don't come around here much anymore but the vineyard will always be a place I will cherish, for the music and the people who formed this community. I am probably coming across like a big ol jerk here but I don't care because this guy here .. carolina boy ... single handily took the vineyard down. a bunch of us went to a lot of work to reseed all the vines he STOLE from here. I'm getting emotional right now because I must sound like an asshole but I don't care ... i just hope someone from the old days who remembers backs me up... please do not trade with him ... I mean actually do whatever you want but I know what he did to the vineyard and I am letting you all know
  • July 29, 2012 - 4:06pm
    stepineden72
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    A Big Thank You!
    To Jake for reseeding all the missing '67, '68 and '69 vines.You be the MAN Jake! Yeah,just like a kid turned loose in a freakin' candy store I am. Thanks again.
  • July 29, 2012 - 2:07pm
    Jake R
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    sorry for the double post
    the first left out the links.
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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That is strange...I wonder what he is up to?? "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/concerts/support/downloads.html huge selection of Grateful Dead shows now for sale as downloads from Wolfgangs Vault. Many other bands too. Its a goldmine I am not sure how they squared this away with Rhino and the Band, but it all seems legit. Also I have no idea of the quality of the material or how it compares with the soundboards that already circulate. Not cheap either at $9.98 per set. It seems odd to me that we have been so careful to avoid vining officially released material, but WV appears to be selling officially released shows e.g Englishtown 77. Stil if Wolfgang's Vault can open such a huge download store, why can't this place???
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If any one happens to buy any shows(of any of the bands) in flac format could you please pm me the flac fingerprint for the show, for example: Hot Tuna 07-03-71 Fillmore Closing closingfillmore-n4d1t01.flac:2a6e2e591e8da4dc1647d7b1d9d5b946 closingfillmore-n4d1t02.flac:7e19fbd9302e04ea6766cea805319a34 closingfillmore-n4d1t03.flac:089e84bfd265ca05fe9a2c34aa3dd08c closingfillmore-n4d1t04.flac:7c30614fc2e9305eb5e2e17d8e3e7777 I have always been curious to know if wolfgangs shows are closer to source than the ones that circulate.
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I dunno what the deal is. I do know Wolfgang's Vault got off to a very sleazy start, buying up all Bill's tapes at the estate auction and putting the shows up for sale in complete disregard of the fact that they'd bought physical tapes but none of the accompanying rights. Litigation ensued, as you may imagine. At least, this is my recollection of events some years past. Still, that was some time ago and things may have changed. I've passed this info to the Rhino folks.
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I don't know about all that stuff but I will say that the quality of the reocrdings here on the vine yard for the most part is really good - good enough for me anyways! That goes for the recordings from etree also. I am with Mary - I don't mind when the Grateful Dead gets my money but I am not about to buy albums/recordings/downloads from an internet site that makes money for some dude. Plus I feel like I have supported the band just fine by buying their studio albums and the countless thousands of dollars I have spent on concert tickets the last 20 some years to not feel too bad about getting live recordings for free. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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There are some new people that have signed up for a quite a few vines. Before sending something to them, make sure they don't already have 3 vines. Not that there is any intention to do anything wrong, but as we have seen MANY times, newcomers can get easily overwhelmed.
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I noticed that too! I think it is a good idea in general to contact folks AND wait for a response prior to sending a vine to them anyways. There a few people here that are always around and I am confident sending them vines without contact/response but even old timers disappear for awhile and then that's how we end up losing vines and we have seen it is a quick downward spiral when multiple vines are sent to what becomes a black hole!! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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has fallen behind in the vineyard due to way too many things to mention but I am still here and will post in the next few days as I start sending them out If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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I wasn't picking on you Hal. I phrased that wrong. You are most definitely one of the people I am confident sending vines to without getting a hold of first!! Much more important things come up for us all and vines get delayed .. no big deal! But for some it turns into vines not moving ever and just disappearing. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Nope, didn't think that, but did think I needed to say I am around and no vine will die before it's time when I am involved. thanks, peace If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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yes life caught up to me also , I posted vines going out wendsay . ooops must be an old timers thing, forgot about vetrans day . with a familly full of vetrans I feel like a dufus lol .. anyway all vines I have will be out thursday morning fur sure . all 6 of them.
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in my experience, I have bought three non-dead shows, they only come in mp3 format. That kinda sux.
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Is there any good way to remind people to actually follow the vine guidelines when sending and requesting vines? I am specifically referring to notifying the person ahead of you of your address when you sign up for a vine, and it would also be good if everyone checked their messages before skipping someone on a vine. In my experience, people usually wait until you request their info before they will send it, and I've been skipped a couple of times because people didn't check their old messages where they would have found my info.Sorry for the gripe;-) Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor.
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I think your better off waiting until you are like three spots down before sending your addy. Takes more effort on your behalf to follow the vines, but some in the Vineyard are too lazy to go back to their old messages and refuse to send a simple PM to the next person. But overall, I think most of us in here are really considerate and we take care of each other. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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i.e. I need help. I can't find a program to make DVD copy. I got Rothbury vine with a SCI dvd show. Really want this one. Please, make me smile.Thanks in advance, Richard.
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Richard , when I had that rothbury vine I could not copy the SCI show . And we try`d to copy with both xp and vista computers . neither one worked for us . But nero 7 is what I use the most ( on the xp ) .
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You mean you did it with nero 7, or it didn't work?
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The SCI we could not copy . we are the ones who put the vista/ex compatible discs in with that vine . The SCI we could not do anything with .
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Hey there - fluffhead420 included the video to the Rothbury Vine maybe get a hold of him for any issues with the DVD video? Richard - Were you able to copy the other DVD's? "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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If I (we) can make it I'll send a copy to you.
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I got everything else from this vine. I'll PM Fluffhead. Thanks.
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My understanding is Wolfgangs cannot secure the rights to sell anything but MP3. The reason many of the other performances aren't for sale is because the bands won't authorize the sale. Not sure how they worked out rights to sell GD, even in MP3 format. I worked with a guy in NY who was trying to negotiate with them to find a way to make it all happen, but there are too many legal hurdles. There are ways to capture that music as they do allow you to stream it for free - but streaming music is only 320kbps at best. As Marye mentioned, they did acquire much of the material under less than glorious circumstances and there was litigation to try and shut them down completely. It is really sad, because in the right hands the world could have access to an absolute treasure trove of great concerts. Many of those shows are real gems. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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check that, streaming music is 192 kbps at best. However, further ;-) research indicates that Bill Sagan who founded WV has been able to negotiate with most of the artists to allow downloads, some even in FLAC. He's still having trouble with some of the bigger names like Hendrix, the Who, etc., but thinks he'll be able to get agreements with them too. Check out the full article here: http://forums.wolfgangsvault.com/forums/post/12372.aspx Like him or not, he has made it possible to hear much of this music for the first time since it was played orginally. One of my favorites is Pink Floyd 4-29-70 at the Fillmore West. One of the best PF concerts there is out there. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Just about everything in Wolfgangs vault has been( and still is for now) available on legal trading sites in flac format for years. Now that there is some profit involved I would imagine these sites will have to remove them. Its probably just a matter of time until this affects etree and lossless legs. Its hard to believe they will allow us to keep trading if wolfgang is turning a profit. Might be a good time to get them while you can.
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I'd be pissed if they got rid of etree and what's next the vineyard?? Bogus!! Greed is all this is. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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I am gettin' all I can while the gettins good. :-)
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I hav`nt looked into it , but I was told that it`s there by a member of our vineyard . don`t remember who . And yes I`m getting everything I can get while the gettings good . :-)
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Everyone download a different year and then come back here and do some serious trading. Sorry but from a pessimistic point of view, I'd be sad if we couldn't trade anymore from this site. I have really enjoyed coming here and sharing GD shows with you all the last year or so. It still bugs me that someone (wolfgang) is going to profit big time on this. And that flac files will be replaced by mp3's. I hope I am reading way too much into all of this! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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was Bill Graham's real name. I strongly suspect the person who bought the tapes at the estate sale is not named Wolfgang but rather using Bill's name.
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And everyone! Sorry - my emotions have been strained, my dear grandmother passed away last week just 2 days past her 100th birthday. It was expected yet sad the way it went down, long story.. Dead.net is a very healing place for me to hang out in and I thank you all for that! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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I am on a couple of GD e-mail lists--deadheadsunite and deadshows. I think these are through yahoo.
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very sorry to hear abt. your grandmother . my wife just lost her grandmother 2 weeks ago .
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"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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law of #megger tree fark been pretty much all over the place a long time; not much you can do about that.
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Heres a list of vines that I was the last on the list for and have had for awhile now. Let me know if anyone would like them. NRPS: 1 from 69, 2 from 70 Chicago 69 The Dead Greensboro 09 Early Fall 1981 "You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."
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I think someone is going to get swamed with vines when thay get 30 of them all at once !! let`s hope that don`t happen . It`s tough getting caught up when you get a ton at once .
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I was listening to China Cat/Rider from Winterland 2-24-74. I was wondering if the jam between the songs that was played in 73-74 had a specific name. Also, does anyone know why they stopped doing that jam. I freakin' love that little piece of music and it flows so well into Rider. Wishing all my fellow viners a great Holiday Season. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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Is it the Mind Left Body Jam or the Feeling Groovy Jam? I'll check it out tonight.
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http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2009/08/chinarider-early-years.html Weblink above gives credence to a Feeling Groovy jam, beginning w the Nassau show, 3/16/73. 6/26/74, Providence, is a really good version: check it out on Dick's Picks 12. Here, the jam is labeled Mind Left Body. The 12/6/73 China Cat is over 9 minutes long before transitioning into Rider.
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Thanks, Derek and Ted. The link (awesome stuff) seems to indicate that it was the "Feelin Groovy" jam that I was asking about. I guess when they brought China/Rider back after the hiatus, they simply decided not to include the Feelin Groovy jam. Too bad. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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The jam in btwn China and Rider on 2/22 is the MLB or Mind Left Body jam. Will check 2/23 and 2/24 later today and tomorrow.
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Oops, they don't play it on 2/23 but they do play it on 2/24. It sounds to me like the MLB jam again but perhaps I don't know my jams because on archive.org a couple of people at least say that it is NOT the MLB jam. It is nice whatever it is. There is no doubt in my mind that the pre-retirement versions are better than the post-retirement ones, although I do think 12/29/77 is a gem.
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Check out the link from gr8fulTed. Very informative and interesting. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I am billing right now, Mark!!! Haha! Yes, I checked it out last night, very interesting. The jam on 2/24 sounded to me like something that was played quite often during the period (and quite well) and I thought it was the MLB jam, but apparently, I am mistaken.