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  • marye
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    I don't really recall
    that any one particular thing happened, but people sure had a lot of arcane theories about what they should be doing at any given moment. My vague recollection is that the actual convergence was closer to the Park City show than Telluride, but that may be an error. In the interim between those shows, I think.
  • fluffanutter
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    So, what happened
    at the harmonica convention (as a friend of mine called it) back in 87 at Telluride? Did everybody hold their breath and turn blue? I could tell a story about the supposed harmonic convergence but it wouldn't have anything to do with the Grateful Dead...
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    that Ed is a new fan, but a lot of the Furthur audience is. A growing number of that audience wasn't born when Jerry passed.
  • marye
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    yeah well...
    having survived the highly overhyped Harmonica Virgins (aka The Harmonic Convergence), I'm not so sure about the cosmology, but I'm kinda glad there are new fans coming along making an impassioned and closely reasoned case for the importance of Furthur on their own merits. I mean, for a while in my early days there I preferred the Jerry Band to the Dead, too. There are no right and wrong answers here... Also, I don't know about you, but I never saw Jerry without knowing how fleeting this was and how lucky we were (not that this was necessarily topmost in one's mind while getting soaked and trampled in the rain, but you get the drift), and I think the new Furthur crowd probably has some of the same thing going on, even though they've got a lot more options in the current festival/jamband/etc. scene.
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    Hi Ed --I just finished reading your piece over morning coffee so this is off the top of my head without much thinking. I liked your piece. It is well written and is pretty thorough in it's treatment of comparing two runs of similar length by two different bands playing much the same material. I really liked the analogy of the copy of Dionysus' followers (dancing maened) made by the Romans even as I disagreed with it's import --that Furthur was as much of historical significance as the Grateful Dead. In this respect the two cannot be compared. Furthur will never have any of it's performances in the National Archive. Nobody (but you) is intimating they are good enough to have an exhibit in any museum, much less have their own museum (The archive at UCSC). The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in Cleveland would be the obvious place to honor Furthur and I don't think they're ever going to do it. Your summation at the end is the weakness of the entire piece. You don't really tie it all together and declare your finding. Were they comparable, not comparable or does the whole concept of comparing these two entities have any merit at all? As with all of these types of articles about the Grateful Dead it is easy for me to pick out the inaccuracies in fact about the Grateful Dead's historical performances. The Grateful Dead did Jack Straw in the second set on a handful of occasions, The Grateful Dead played LTGTR from 1989 to 1994 something like 30 times. The Grateful Dead opened with Space on 10/31/85 into Werewolves of London. I have been looking/calling for analysis of Furthur performances and I am grateful for yours. Especially your counting of the beats to measure tempo. There is definitely a slow-down there. They also speed up on a couple of tunes like Casey Jones and Cosmic Charlie. I do think you miss the main point when comparing Jerry and JK. I can't belabor the point here in as I've made it clear in other threads. I thought the most interesting point in the whole article is that Jerry thought 2012 was a special year. And Furthur will be playing on the evening of the transformation/cataclysm. That is something I have been saying for years. I think many of us flashed on that at one time or another between 1965 and 1995. We just didn't see it would be with Bob & Phil carrying the torch into that dark and stormy night... Well, maybe not necessarily "dark and stormy", but an appropriate ritual for a couple of aging warlocks!
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    Furthur's Beacon Run vs the Dead's MSG Run
    I just posted an analysis of Furthur's 8-night run at the Beacon this past April to the Grateful Dead's 9-night run at Madison Square Garden in 1991 on my blog: http://rockandrollnerd.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/the-boys-take-manhattan… I would love to get your feedback. Thanks! -Ed
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    Greenfield interviewed by Gans
    "The constant conflict in the band was, "Jerry, we're going on the road again." And he would say, "More money, man? Really, what for?" He had no financial incentive to go on the road with the Dead. The Jerry Garcia Band was selling out venues that the Dead had previously sold out. His artwork and ties were earning him money. And he had royalties from Cherry Garcia ice cream. He could have stayed home, made music, and painted. He had to ask himself, "What am I doing here with people who think I'm God, who are thirty years younger than me, who worship me but don't know me?" Jerry talked about it with Laird Grant, who was the Dead's first roadie: "This scares me," Jerry said. "I don't want this. It's too much weight." Ahhhhh Jerry, thanks so much for all the good times. The more you do for others...
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    Garcia Interview On Altamont
    I think it was on one of those Rock History documentaries and the topic was Altamont. Jerry was giving insights on it, and I remember one of the things he said was "the air was particulating." I did read a quote where Jerry likened Altamont to "a day in hell." If anyone knows the documentary I am talking about I would like to know. I do remember that Altamont was presented as the end of the 60's.
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    Is that really you? It's been a long time since I saw you here...welcome back!
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Which came first, mother mcrees or the warlocks?Phatmoye
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Just remembering Capt. Trip's b-day......Jerry would have turned 67 on Aug. 01HAPPY ONE JERRY :)
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...who was the poet ---William Santanaya-(I forget)--"If you don't remember the past-yer doomed to repeat it!" Well, from the stuff I've read since 69-till present it seems to me that jerry andthe band remembered the past AND transformed it! Headin to the east to see and tape Bill Monroe (meetin Grisman)--blues from Pigpen-old time music and ragtime-classical from Phil---AND THEN------SPACE TRAVEL---ooohhh yeeeaahhhhh baby!!!! WE ARE ALL VERY LUCKY PEOPLE-----to have witnessed such a thing---(my time's comin--any day now....)-----just a little ramble on.....ALOHA--Da Roach!!
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Apparently, your band mates and fans have forgotten your stance on politics.. I wish it wasn't so, but you already know. Thank you Jerry for all you did! I'm sorry your family and friends have forgotten. I never will!
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I was listing to Tales From The Golden Age yesterday and there was a guy who just started rattling off quotes from Jerry. One was about change, the other was about being an earthling and he said they were all from one interview. Do any of you know where this interview or these quotes can be found? What is the best source of his interviews?
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This from the professor: It's a bit vague, but it seems like Jerry's talking here about an acid trip. One source of this type of interview could be the Rolling Stone compiled interviews book, "Garcia". Another source is David Dodd's edited compilation of articles "The Grateful Dead Reader". A third source could be David Gans' "Conversations with the Dead". Good luck and happy hunting!
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This maybe out of the topic a little but here goes- does anyone out there in Deadland know what is up with the Pure Jerry releases/archives/website, etc-it seems like everything has stopped again after a resurgence of activity. I would love to see some more live releases including a video of the Warfield performances with David Grisman. A box of live shows from various eras/incarnations would be a blast. Etc,Etc.
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Any guitar you played sounded great. the road goes on forever.... BobbaLee
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A true American Beauty@@@@@@@@@@@ -------------------------(-------@ -----------------------(----@ -----------------------------(---@ ------------------------(----@ -------------------------(----@ ------------------------(-------@ -------------------------(---@ ----------------------------(-----@ -------------------------(----@ -------------------------------(-----@ ----------------------------(-----@ ------------------------------(------@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ May ya'll feel the joy in your memories, of so many roads, so many roads... Love and light forever~on all our days between. In lovingkindness always, xo SherBearFeelingGrateful
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for the life and art of Jerry Garcia. Your art has touched my life and spiritual journey in more ways than I can begin to describe! Blessings to you on your journey! We all miss you, brother!
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Is it just me or does anyone else think the whole wood chopping accident story is a little fishy? I mean, what kind of parents send a 4 year old out with his 9 year old brother to chop wood? At the very least this is serious parental neglect and at worst I think this story was concocted to cover up something else. Tiff simply went along with it because he was a boy himself and may have been threatened with severe punishment if he didn't; as the years went by, he probably started believing it as well. At any rate, what really happened will probably remain lost to history because there seems to be precious little available on this subject. It seems strange to me that of all the volumes written about Jerry (and I've read quite a few of them), none of his biographers have ever so much as questioned this extremely dubious story. Other than that, happy birthday Jerry! Truly one of the greatest and most influential American musicians of all time.
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What follows is a piece I wrote on 8/9/2001 please read and pass on if you have the inspiration FARE THEE WELL, JERRY AUGUST 9, 1995 A Dark Star fell upon the Eyes of the World As this Friend of the Devil slipped into the Promised Land only to become the Estimated Prophet in the Greatest Story Ever Told. All the Brown Eyed Women went a Truckin’ Goin’ Down the Road Feelin’ Bad. Loose Lucy and Ramblin’ Rose caught the Black Throated Wind to El Paso singin’ the Mexicali Blues. Cosmic Charlie and Tennessee Jed Beat It On Down The Line lookin’ for The Big Boss Man. But it was Sugar Mags and Stella Blue who saw the Smokestack Lightnin’ when Loose Lucy was Throwing Stones at the reflection of a man Standing On The Moon in the Black Muddy River. He’s Gone But the Drums circle Franklin’s Tower One More Saturday Night because The Music Never Stopped. In the distance you can here Casey Jones pulling out of Terrapin Station As Sugaree is singing “You Know Our Love Will Not Fade Away”
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Good grief, where is my checkbook? Can I write it off if I donate it to the archives where the Banana Slugs roam free?
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silentlyscreaming posted: "Apparently, your band mates and fans have forgotten your stance on politics." While the Grateful Dead didn't do fundraisers for political candidates, Jerry Garcia did shows to benefit the anti-nuclear movement in the 1970's. I recall going to one in Boston for example, December of '77, that raised money for the Clamshell Alliance. I don't think that what Phil, Billy, Bob and Mickey having been doing the past 10 years is at all out of line with that. "When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest!" - Bullwinkle Moose
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would be a nice purchase have checked my bank account and can probably bid on his plectrum.Anyone know who the seller is. counting stars by candlelight.
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I have not done an exhaustive search but it was clear that Jerry and the boys supported any number of causes that were both political and non-political. At a certain point in the early 80s they consolidated to the Rex Foundation and did shows every year to support that. Rex gives out grants and has an application process which you can check out on their website. I think there is a bit of reaction to the boys in the post-Jerry era supporting political candidates, which Jerry never did. To be fair, the only thing I've ever heard Weir say is "Get out and vote. We don't care who you vote for as long as you vote." Many people are uncomfortable with even voting. I think it's not hard at all to make the argument that the Grateful Dead, with Jerry and without, have a left-wing perspective. The post-Jerry boys are supporting the political process by encouraging people to vote, and even to vote for one political candidate -- that is where there is a powerful reaction. But you just can't invoke Jerry and say "they were never political" which is what a few heads are saying on this site. Supporting causes is political whether or not you are involved in electoral matters. This reminds me of Amnesty International people telling me they are not political. The mere fact of inserting yourself in a situation where human rights are being withheld is a bold political statement, like it or not. In any case, why would you feel that your favorite musicians have that much influence on your viewpoint??
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I google jg news all the time and recently it appears there will be a jerry film, all sounds goodi scroll down, film will not include any music by jerry or the dead.Now excuse me a film about Jerrys life without his music hmmm Jerrys life was his music.Maybe im missing something and maybe they have good reason can anyone help with this ?.
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If they don't use the music of jerry or the Dead they pay no royalties, ergo an easy way to make a lot of money
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I was jammin out today to Dozin' At the Knick, listening to Jerry sing Black Peter .. and when he sang that verse, I pulled up the Annotated Lyrics page by David Dodd ... the bottom of the page says it was posted August 8th, 1995 .. literally on that day that verse, sad enough, rung true ...
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Happy Birthday, Jerry....still feelin' your vibe down here! Hope all is well in your celestial orchestra.
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Happy freakin' Birthday to the Big Guy. Thanks for all the joy and happiness you brought into the world. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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and a lucky day it was for a lot of us! Happy birthday Jerry, and thank you.
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The years seem to pass by quickly, yet the memories remain vibrant. Your contribution to music and the endless joy left behind, will forever be celebrated by your legion of fans. Happy Birthday Jerry!
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Jerry is one of the greatest people to have ever graced this little planet of ours! I think of him often but especially today on his birthday. I still get chills when I hear his music and he will forever be etched indelibly in my memory. Happy birthday Mr. Garcia and thank you for your endless contributions to our worldwide Deadhead family! "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery...none but ourselves can free our minds"
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Toward the end of July I started re watching the Grateful Dead videos on YT. My usage increased daily until last night When I stared watching right after work and didn't stop until 1AM. I also took a tour and caught up on the other members and their bands. Today it occurred to me that there might be a reason for this. Aug. 1, 1942. Duh. I wonder if there are going to be any memorial events in the TwinCities, MN area on Aug 9? I guess this feeling never goes away. Thanks Jerry.
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This is new to me and good to see..although his joke about borrowed time at the start is scarily prescient
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yea, i saw this last year and was a bit freaked by it.
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Is that really you? It's been a long time since I saw you here...welcome back!
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I think it was on one of those Rock History documentaries and the topic was Altamont. Jerry was giving insights on it, and I remember one of the things he said was "the air was particulating." I did read a quote where Jerry likened Altamont to "a day in hell." If anyone knows the documentary I am talking about I would like to know. I do remember that Altamont was presented as the end of the 60's.
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"The constant conflict in the band was, "Jerry, we're going on the road again." And he would say, "More money, man? Really, what for?" He had no financial incentive to go on the road with the Dead. The Jerry Garcia Band was selling out venues that the Dead had previously sold out. His artwork and ties were earning him money. And he had royalties from Cherry Garcia ice cream. He could have stayed home, made music, and painted. He had to ask himself, "What am I doing here with people who think I'm God, who are thirty years younger than me, who worship me but don't know me?" Jerry talked about it with Laird Grant, who was the Dead's first roadie: "This scares me," Jerry said. "I don't want this. It's too much weight." Ahhhhh Jerry, thanks so much for all the good times. The more you do for others...
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HAPPY FATHER'S DAY JERRYAND TO ALL FATHER'S HERE AND THERE AND EVERYWHERE- ALL OVER THE WORLD! ----------------------------------(----@