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    In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.

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    I've always been uncertain and confused when it comes to faith and religion. So much so that I think uncertainty and skeptisism are my religious beliefs sometimes. There has always been a real disconnect for me between what many popular religions preach, and what they actually practice. There's so much talk of faith, discipline, scriptures, laws, and God's will, and yet there has never been a day in human history without a war raging somewhere on this planet. Humans continue to screw each other over, sometimes for the most petty of things, and for what? Where is God in all this? Thinking about this for several years has unfortunately left me with a bit of a negative view of most organized religions. Except for Buddhism. When I was younger I took an interest in Buddhism, and for me, it seemed to make the most sense out of any of the religious doctrines I had learned about. I have an enormous amount of respect and admiration for the Dalai Lama, probably more then any other human I know of. He actually did practice what he preached. But even though I had developed a strong interest in Buddhism, I would not call myself a Buddhist. I know myself too well, and I'm too lazy to be disciplined enough to become a Buddhist. I also developed an interest in paganism and wicca because of the respect they give to the earth and nature. But again, I'm too undisciplined to dedicate myself to either one. Dispite all my confusion, the idea of God has always been in the back of my mind. Not a Christian, Jewish, or Muslim God. Not a God according to any religion. Not a male or female God. But just a God, a higher power, a natural force that exists in the universe that works in ways that we are not meant to understand. God can not be defined, only experienced. And that experience is different for every human being. Some people get it, and some people never experience God at all. When I look into the face of my son, I see God. When I stand amongst the paeceful towering Redwoods, I see God. When I create something with my own two hands, I experience God. And when I danced with 20 thousand other people while the Grateful Dead played, I experienced God. I have never felt such a feeling of complete peace and joy with so many people as when I was at a Dead show. It wasn't just a concert, it was a spiritual event. For me, it was like going to church. And if it wasn't for the Grateful Dead, I never would have meet all the people that are my good friends, or meet my wonderful wife, or had a beautiful son. God truly does work in mysterious ways. I still haven't made up my mind about religion, but I know there is a higher power that exists.
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    tj crowleyand no mater what the walk or choice is i ask...imagine if everyone practice's their religion/philkosopy kore than one hour a week, imagine'
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    Although I am a cheerful agnostic, I thought you all might find this article interesting: "Pastor finds message in Grateful Dead music" http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17106/pastor-finds-message-in-grateful-… Yo Soy Boricua!
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    .....One. The Dude Abides!
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    ...of the puzzle! The Dude Abides!
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    We Deadheads shouldn't forget that the very concept of "the Grateful Dead" derives from a Medieval Christian fable. But we can also follow many paths in our seeking. As someone once put it, "there's a seeker born every minute".
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    I converted after our daughter was born - my wife and I decided it was important for our daughter to be raised in one faith and tradition. A Catholic priest was very important to our daughter's recovery when she was in the hospital (she was born prematurely), and it seemed very natural for me to convert.We attend Mass most Sundays, are sending our daughter to Catholic school in the fall, and I see no incompatibility at all with our faith and our quest for musical adventure. Catholicism works for us - not for everybody, of course - and we don't impose it on anyone. I'm far pushier in my zeal to turn people on to the music I love! My wife and I are also trained reiki practitioners as well as yoga, meditation, and guided imagery enthusiasts. It all works for us. The way I look at it is, you gotta keep an open mind, because you really don't know what happens when you die until ... you die. Meanwhile, you gotta live, and live for the greater good of all. "Folk rock for groovin families!" myspace.com/chipwithrow chipwithrow.com
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    Abob like you I thought I was probably the only Christian/Deadhead, it's great to see other posts on this forum.Greg I can totally relate to your thoughts on Theology. pax
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    Actually, I am a solid Catholic, who really gets into the transcendent mysteries of the Christian faith. I find myself getting lost sometimes in the far reaches of God Almighty. Theology can be pretty deep and wild at times. I think ever since I heard the first live radio broadcast of the GD on WNEW, I fell in love with it for similar reasons. I guess I am drawn to ocean deep mystical things. The GD music in a sense opens up for me the depths of my mind, and sort of plays and interacts with my faith, playing notes common to both. How can a Dead-head not appreciate many of Jerry's solo shows which at times expressed Jerry's love for filling up that empty spot he had for the King. Greg SC
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    As a Christian / head, I thought I was about the only one. I grew up in a Christian household as a son of a pastor. I was never completely happy with the organizational side of things. As many heads, I went through my wild years (with no regrets), and came out of them, but the one thing that remained was the love for the music and the community. One thing I love is that God gave man the ability to create (or channel as Phil might say) such beautiful music.
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In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.
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Well that was quick.....jesus said I can go see the captain,the strangest I can find.Although he could not caution all,he did warn me about being a smart ass hippycrite.I told him I was aware of the problem and would try to find a fix.
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I was talking about me and my problem,not anyone else here.It may have been my "lifestyle"that made me this way. Sometimes I get sick of myself,I dont know.Religion is new to me and the old habits die hard.If I had any fun at anyone elses expense in the chatroom the shame is on me.The chatroom.......a scary,dangerous,wild,improbable ride that sucked out my skull.It was fun.I poured out my soul[and love] in that private little hell [just kidding] you guys call a chatroom and might not get it back.Wait,I wont leave you drifting down,Theres a little bit left........All the love in the world and all the best things in life to deadnet and that girl....Both of you have got the way's and mean's to open up your windows and let that long hair hang down.......I guess Im "710".....Im outta the door and DOWN to the street all alone....to look for a girl with rings on her fingers and bells on her..................
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I would STILL rather here Melvin play gospel than watch televangelists....I do miss the chat though.....the only other place I've been accepted for being myself was at Dead shows, and my church......well, OK, there were a few bars in the Philippines, but that's cuz they KNEW I was out there crazy.....
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Many Christians look at Buddhism as anything from the devil'sreligion to just false. There are many though who consider Buddhism to be valid, although lacking something. Some Buddhists believe in a God, while others see an impersonal, eternal, yet living reality. Buddhists who do see the need for the Creator, and some do believe in a Nirvana and a hell. For Buddhism to be fulfilled, these folks need to see the need for a setter up of what is good or evil. Who defines good or evil? You could even kind of get it from the Bible that there is no good or evil because God said he created both. Fact of the matter there are many many old acidheads who have become Christians. Mysticism is not bad, unless a person sees himself as being completed in being aware. We are really not as innocent or "good people" as we would like to think.. Trouble is that even realizing we are lost in a dream, we are still lost in the dream. We need to admit to God that he indeed did come into this world, suffer unimaginably and rose again. Beleive it or not. We just cannot find our own way home. "Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift." "What a long strange trip it's been" Just listening to the Furthur concert I surely got the impression that Phil already is a Christian. Best Wishes and God Bless Randy J.
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Just as you know her as sister shes just grandma to me. and just going about her journey if just one cares to know. so let us all just say on just voices of high that over the static from just this heart still is felt just love in her voice so no matter what, your religion of choice may I make just one request take a minute to just acknowledger her journey. just she can do the rest. peace and love family!, D4 11-17-2010
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I've never made a fortune, and it's probably too late now.But I don't worry about that much, I'm happy anyhow and as I go along life's way, I'm reaping better than I sowed. I'm drinking from my saucer, 'Cause my cup has overflowed. Haven't got a lot of riches, and sometimes the going's tough But I've got loving ones all around me, and that makes me rich enough. I thank GOD for his Blessings, and the Mercies HE's bestowed. I'm drinking from my saucer, 'Cause my cup has overflowed. I remember times when things went wrong, My faith wore somewhat thin. But all at once the dark clouds broke, and the sun peeped through again. So LORD, help me not to gripe, about the tough rows I have hoed. I'm drinking from my saucer, 'Cause my cup has overflowed. If GOD gives me strength and courage, When the way grows steep and rough. I'll not ask for other blessings, I'm already Blessed enough. And may I never be too busy, to help others bear their loads.. Then I'll keep drinking from my saucer, 'Cause my cup has overflowed
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Couldn't have said it better myself, Johnman!
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sent this it to me recently, and while I think it's a bit stilted and corny, it fits where I'm at and reminds me that I have SO MUCH to be thankful for...
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I really want a copy of Further in Minneapolis,mn What a show!!The balconey was bouncin up and down a few FEET with the music and EVERYONE dancing was more than it was built to take. Did anyone else see that? Thank God it didnt collapse. I bhad the BEST time of my life that night. I need a copy....PLEASE
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maybe it was a religious experience!
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I haven't read all 62 pages of posts, I admit, but if anyone argued that the Dead experience itself is religious and that the relgious experience is one of the more open and welcoming of all religious experiences, I would agree!! I have many many thoughts on the Dead and religion, and strongly think that the Dead experience, at its purest, served the same function as a religion in many of our lives. Religious scholars have spent years breaking down religions into the necessary characteristics of what it means to be a 'religion', and it is not a stretch to make the Dead fit these molds. True, the religion would be comparable to Christianity and Buddhism in its earliest stages, but it would be comparable. Great thread. Hope its still alive! J.T. Gossard http://thehallucinogenicbible.blogspot.com/
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Is a wild scary dangerous improbable ride[like jerrys riffs]......sometimes I freak out,maybe,i dont know.Its highly improbable for someone like me to consider it[religion].Deadnet is a great place to freak out....I guess.I wish there was more sincerity in the world.
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I've often been asked by non-deadheads how I reconcile my belief in the Christian gospel and my love of all things Grateful Dead. I always respond that there is nothing to reconcile. My faith and my love of this music are not disparate at all. The question itself is founded in ignorance of what this music is all about in the first place. I am so glad to see my fellow heads are so understanding and open minded about this as witnessed by this thread. In the lot, when the subject comes up, I never feel the notion that I'm not accepted as one of us. We've all been so profoundly touched by "our" music and that is a common bond.
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(religion) you wear, just as long as you are there! Just popped in my head-dunno why :) ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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As usual deadnet,Im impressed.You guys get the gist of it ...........thx
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...and lawyers guns and money won't get you of here. When the body is breaking down, as well as the mind, never give up faith. It is so tempting to go to a place you know that is always warm, set your altar and your easel and laptop and pray and paint and write poetry, listen to the best of my 60s and 70s music and try to get closer to reality before I die. Turn off the news for sure. So dog tired of just trying to get through another day because people depend on me. The whole thing is just so sad. They all are all still chasing after a dream that died a while ago. They want me to make the dream come true for them. Do all you can, do for others, come from the heart -- Jesus and Buddha and all the great ones said that. Believe and don't pick up that spike no more (Whatever your spike might be). Cuz yer only getting farther away and not closer and it never ends. It never ends ~ Killing me softly with his song ~
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everyday is a new day, and I think I've learned that we have to start each one with that thought, and while I, too have people that depend on me, I know that they love me....and that makes it worthwhile......I think....I guess we can't change everything, just make our little part work, and hope it spreads.....hope I don't sound like some kinda know-it-all....as I sure as fak ain't......
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you sound like the kindhearted loving brother you are! Hang in there Gonzo-calming vibes to you! ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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Those were bitchen posts.Mine are like jerrys echo-effects on his guitar,they eventually come back around ..[limited internet access].Im primitive.......Im.......Low tech.[head hanging down]Hope your next coupla years go well for u...............god bless our veterans!
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This has been a sweet page so far...."It doesn't matter what you wear, just as long as you are there !!!! TigerLilly, I am going to use this unless you wish it not....
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and their church of hate. Their continuous hate-filled protests at the funerals of our fallen heroes leads me to believe that they are enemies of God, Jesus, and our country. If someone gunned them all down and I had to be on the jury I would not be able to convict the shooter. I would say "good riddance, they got what they deserved." If they want to protest in front of the Capitol, fine, but stay away from soldiers funerals.
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And it is in bad taste to do this out of bigotry at another's funeral who fought and would have died for your freedom, but it is free speech. It's a slippery ride down the slope to fascism as we saw with the building of the Community Center/Mosque near Ground Zero some months ago. You should know that up here in the boonies the Hell's Angels and the Staties and the local cops all collaborate to stop any of that crap. The Supreme Court can go to hell. America is as it is, where it is and God help those people if they tried to demonstrate at certain funerals. Choppers would plow them down and then bullets would take the rest. That is for people who PROTEST AGAINST THE WARS. So, equal rights for all, no matter how much in bad taste it might be. You can always turn your back. Tolerance and respect is aspired to in this world, not truly existent everywhere.
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or they will reap what they sow. They should not be worshipping words but walking in the light of the living Christ, but we all fall at times. Jesus said: "Be ye therefore merciful as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven. St. Luke,6:36-37 There must be an evil spirit in that church that has a hold of those poor folks. I would encourage all Christians in the area to go there and pray for healing until they walk in love. The guy in Florida who was going to burn the Koran saw the light, Hopefully the Westboro Baptists will too. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world: but that the world through him might be saved. St. John, 3:17 Let it be known, there is a fountain, that was not made by the hands of man
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Jesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright, oh yeahJesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright I don't care what they may say I don't care what they may do I don't care what they may say Jesus is just alright, oh yeah Jesus is just alright Jesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright, oh yeah Jesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright I don't care what they may know I don't care where they may go I don't care what they may know Jesus is just alright, oh yeah Jesus, he's my friend; Jesus, he's my friend He took me by the hand; Led me far from this land Jesus, he's my friend Jesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright, oh yeah Jesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright I don't care what they may say, I don't care what they may do I don't care what they may say, Jesus is just alright, oh yeah
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the shitty crassness of the Westboro Church's actions, I think it is wrong to transfer the individual's rights of freedom of speech to an organization. Just like it is wrong that it is now considered that corporations have the same rights and status, as an entity, as citizens do. If we continue to go down that road, we're all in big trouble. PLUS freedom of speech stops at inciting violence, and such acts as those rat turds do are certainly causing plenty of folks to feel violent.********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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You certainly have a valid insight there, one that is backed by the actions of individuals, The interview with the poor boy's father saying the Supremes didn't have the sense of a goat was poignant. The Westboro Baptists need healing badly. They are the collective voice of a demon and need to be group exorcised. Perhaps an army of Jesuits could step in and start the ceremonies. The Westboro Baptists should be shipped to the concentration camps of Poland and Germany and then brought to the front in Afghanistan. Let them feel it and see it . The Beavis and Butheads of the religious world soon see the shameful acts they are committing for what they are and halt in their tracks. BUT, they have the right to do what they want, respecting the restraint of local, county and state authorities, along with counter demonstrations. Think carefully before giving up rights some great number of people died for.
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The Spirit dwells in loving communities, and I am happy to have found this one.
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Hi everyone, I'm a college student and Grateful Dead lover working on an in depth research project on Deadheads. I want to know peoples' personal relationships to the music and the culture to understand why the Deadheads have existed and endured so prominently for so long. I would DEEPLY appreciate an interview with anyone who feels that they have something to say about the Dead and their personal history with them! It's easy, anonymous (when integrated into the paper) and a nice way to reflect upon and appreciate how the Dead and their community have affected your life. It'll also help me out a lot :) Please send me a message if you're interested! Thanks, Jackie
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It's really good to see that this thread is still growing.I check in here once and awhile and it always reafirms my faith in deadheads.You can just see the sweetness of spirit in many of the posts here. Hey Chinarider777...are you still following this thread?I read your post about your vision and it sounds to me that you experienced a"born again experience".I experienced something like that back in 1997.I didn't have the vision,but I had a complete change in my thoughts,beliefs and actions.I prayed for Jesus to come into my life and be lord of my life and everything changed in an instant.For days I had a feeling of lightness and being cleansed to my core,and a new appreciation for life and it's blessings. I often wonder if Robert Hunter also experienced this kind of spiritual awakening because he wrote the best description that I have ever heard... There comes a redeemer,but he slowly too fades away Followed behind him a wagon that's loaded with clay Seeds that were silent burst into bloom and decay Night comes so quiet,it comes on the heals of the day. I'm quoting the lyrics from memory,so please forgive me if they're not exact,and of course others may have a totally different interpretation or Hunter may have meant something different.But for me,every time I hear "eyes" I think of that incredible moment. May God bless and keep you always...
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Hope you find someone. Not me though. All I would say is you had to see a slew of shows back in the day and the meaning would be cler(er).
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There comes a redeemer and he slowly, too, fades awayAnd there follows his wagon behind him that's loaded with clay And the seeds that were silent all burst into bloom and decay And night comes so quiet, its close on the heels of the day Pretty good memory there drc32-0, I always thought the wagon was loaded with hay!
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And the souls of sixteen (two of the Amrican) died and are now karmic seeds waiting to ripen in the future for them. The minister of that church reminds of a snake-oil salesman. And we all know what the snake stands for.
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The Dalai lama announced last week his intention to leaven behind the political, secular rule that has dogged him for the last 350 years, since Tibet became unified as a nation.He will, however, continue his spiritual mentor roll for those tantric Buddhists (not just Tibetans) who wish to practice this form of meditation/philosophy/evolution/enlightenment (take your pick). He has announced that due to the Chinese leadership showing slight cracks in it's anti-Tibet attitude he will live to at least the age of 85 and continue to provide quidence to to the democratically elected government-in-exile in Dharamsala, India for the rest of this life. His advocacy of nonviolence continues to be a beacon in this troubled world. His seventeenth incarnation on this planet will not be on the Tibetan plateau, but rather in a place of exile where he can continue his spiritual guidence without Chinese interference as shown by their handling of the Panchen Lama and the 17th Karmapa. I have heard all these words from the mouth of His Holiness the Dalai Lama himself in a BBC interview aired at 6:30am this morning. Rangzen! Freedom for the land of snows and all those suffering under Chinese repression there at this time.
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that Japan will be spared this new quake threat! Mother Nature PLEASE spare our brothers and sisters more suffering!********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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that Japan will be spared this new quake threat! Mother Nature PLEASE spare our brothers and sisters more suffering!********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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But of course, particularly for them right now. The whole "ring of fire" around the Pacific rim seems to be heating up. I've heard it said that 2011 is the year for S. California. That, unfortunately, would mean trading tsunamis with Japan if it's an off shore epicenter.
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Southern banjo's[out of tune]playing through the broken glass again?....bummer.I wouldve perhaps thought of deadnet and this topic as being a refuge.........of sorts.....rather than a vehicle,a doormat,a veritable beast of burden for people and their headtrips and political agendas.......Deadnet,hows the peoples republic of berk.......oops I meant tibet treatin ya?.....I was bummed because I thought I ran out of good things to say here but...oh wait..being on deadnet and in the old chatroom for me was like.....I really actually got to talk to people that actually shook the hands of people that shook the hands of the man that shook the hand of the man if not actually shaken the hand of the man himself that shook the hand of the man......
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That was a nice post,thank you.......feel free to humiliate yourself with sincerity and post something thats built to last......
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guess the acid was too much for ya'. Look around this site for places to post and throw up there if you like. I guess it's too much to leave our positive intentions alone, huh? Marye -- wasn't this thread supposed to be somewhat protected?
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if that post were an actual response to an actual post by anyone named graceful, it would be problematical. As it is, I'm taking it as a nonlinear utterance of someone whose spirituality is a bit rearranged. Wolfbat, please chill or take it elsewhere. Thanks.
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I've followed this thread from the beginning and I have really admired your even-handed moderating.As we all know,this is a topic that can really get out of hand,but you have been able to help keep it civil while still giving everyone a chance to speak their thoughts. Only a group of deadheads could have a 65 page thread on religious beliefs and only have a few posts that requires the moderator to step in.It makes me proud to be a deadhead. Thanks
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Friend of the Devil is a novel about a reefer-smoking 1930s jazz musician, on the run from the law. He is on his way to Del Rio, a Texas border town rolling in dough, thanks to a quack doctor whose ‘goat-gland cure’ brings in well-heeled suckers by the trainload. And just across the river, the Doc’s got a million-watt “border blaster” that he uses to advertise himself along with yodelers, pitchmen, preachers, mystics, and singing cowboys. There, Herbert figures, he can hide out in plain view. But then Herbert does a favor for a stranger in a jam who turns out to be the Devil himself. Now the Devil owes Herbert a favor, something Herbert, a fervent atheist, has absolutely no interest in collecting on. Next thing Herbert knows, he’s stuck in the middle of a convoluted wager between the Devil and God, both of whom seem to take his refusal to acknowledge their existence personally. Herbert vows revenge. Luckily he finds an ally in Rose Dawn, an underage, pregnant radio clairvoyant prone to sneezing fits.
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They'll publish anything and pay you if somebody buys it. Still, one wonders about :...Rose Dawn, an underage, pregnant radio clairvoyant prone to sneezing fits.
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this is a change how? Nonetheless, as the forum moderator, to say nothing of the editor of a friend's recently published novel having nothing to do with the Dead, I would note that this is, in the words of one of the band's cover tunes, drifting too far from the shore here, and let us stick to religion, spirituality and Deadheads here rather than promoting one's fiction or slagging the state of the current publishing marketplace. Thank you. I would encourage Brendan to promote said fiction in the Grateful Dead Library or Your Own Storefront topics...
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Marye, lamagonzo, thanks for watching for an even keel; but no harm.Built to last? Yes, going on 2,000 years this morning. How could one be grateful to be dead? If "dead" is not the end.
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Hope you enjoyed the meaning of the day with loved ones. Still, you pose an interesting question: "How could one be grateful to be dead? If "dead" is not the end.." It is my opinion the some of the tunes Hunter wrote, almost the entire genre, were about people who died sadly, violently (Jack Straw, Me & My Uncle etc.) and according to which part of religion you belong to (or not) you might believe some of them condemned to hell for eternity. That ain't my religion. Mine probably has more hells than yours, just not eternal. There was a guy who used to post here who freaked out at "Friend of the Devil" (star_sleeper?) regularly So, without going uber-philosophical here, You could ddefinitely be grateful to be Dead, especially if it's not the end. Maybe it seems dark to you, but there are things in this world you do not know exist, and don't wanna know. Still. wish you all the happiness this day is meant to bring.
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Forgive this old author if I'm wrong, but didn't the publishing business use to work a different way? Editors were paid to read manuscripts presented by agents (one pile) and by he authors themselves (the slush pile). If they liked it they signed you to a contract and gave you an advance and made the manuscript into a book and promoted it to a degree (to what degree was always the problem). Now, anybody can do desk-top publishing and it's all like a vanity press except you did all the work to make it into a bonafide book. If you distribute yourself, you keep a lot of the money. If they distribute and promote they make about 5/6ths of the cost of a book. How much space is their at Borders and Waldens and other book chains, not to mention Wal-Mart? Only so much room for a few best-sellers. Am I missing the boat or isn't that a difference in the way authors at least get paid and promoted? And what difference has desk-top publishing made? I guess I wouldn't know if something I picked up is desk-topped or not., and desk-top authors make more money, I guess, minus their promotion and reproduction expenses. Feel free to move this to another thread.
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all of the above and it's complicated. Entire conferences are held on this subject regularly.