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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • Oroborous
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    GOGD: as always thanks for the crack detective work. Quite a scene...I’ve heard Phil be Phil and heckle folks, but that was out right venom. “There is nothing like a GD concert” hee-hee. Can’t believe I’ve never heard about this one?

    JIM: yes agree, according to the charts were over due for both Dave’s and a box for 1972, and were overdue for a 78 Dave’s, but obviously that’s changed. Still wonder about a early 78 box cause ya know those ABCD Beatty’s are getting released someway sometime, and he has been rooting in there. Guessing too close on the heals of the summer 78 box, but after the knuckle balls he’s chucked this year anything is possible, which is great!
    Boy wouldn’t that be great if there was more quality stuff from fall 80, hell any 80 would be sweet, another black hole of underrepresentation! I’ve always felt like it doesn’t add up that ALL the tapes, especially quality multi-tracks could totally disappear? Sumthin don’t smell right? So hope your right! I know Deadvikes wouldn’t be the only one happy about that! Honestly, I think I’d rather have a cherry picked mid sized box than a comprehensive boxilla of all the shows. I know that’s sort of blasphemy, but practically speaking it might make sense...hopefully there’s somethin...

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    Crazy stuff at the Met Center. Maybe that is why they didn't come back to that venue until the late 1980s.

    1980 you say Jim?? I am in of course. Hard to know what they will do next year and of course when it will be released. If it is a fall release, it will be something like 18 months between box set releases. Too long for this guy. One thing is for sure, they keep us guessing.

    Like Oroborous said, we have those great years that are lost in space! So true. 80,81 and I will add 79 to that list as well. I think there is some great shows in that year.

    Yes and I would love the 74 Winterland Box Conekid, that would be a break the website release.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    The piece of film that I have is the very beginning of OMSN. What I thought looked like a crew member doing a repair on stage is actually a camera man.

    It’s been a while since I’ve watched the movie. Makes me really want the entire run to be released in a Box with audio and video.

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    Thanks Oro.. this seems to indicate the series is more balanced than a lot of people seem to acknowledge.

    As for box, call me crazy, but I am speculating 72 or 80. My logic on 1980 is pure speculation. If they had some hidden reels (and there's a part of me that thinks they must), the certainly would not tell us. Perhaps when they were seeing what if anything was releasable.. while rummaging around the found a couple shows to be released as spin-offs giving us 10/8 and 10/9. Which gives them time to go through the good stuff and plan out a box set a couple years later. 1972, do we need a reason? Thinking the Fox Theatre St. Louis or the rest of the BCT's (if they have them). 69 will always be a wild card. Ark Ark.

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    10/23/73 - Fight -
    So there's some good comments on Archive.org in regards to this, but the following eyewitness review seems to shed the most light:

    Reviewer: duckpond74 - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - November 30, 2010
    Subject: a little history here . . .
    What really sucked was that this show was advertised as "The Grateful Dead Performing 3 Sets". Casey Jones was the first song of Set 3. The fight was ugly - several security dudes beating on one guy who was dancing in the aisle right in front of the stage, even Bill K. jumped off the stage to help break things up and security started pounding on Bill, that's what Phil is so upset about. The melee ended soon after. By then, Jerry and Phil were both sitting on the stage floor - everyone seeming quite upset by this sudden change of weird energy and bad vibe. The band had several discussions - you could see that they were at serious odds about whether they should continue with the plan and do a third set. After all, the first two sets were well played, creative and joyful. When they finally tried to play Saturday Night, you could tell their hearts and minds were no longer into continuing this night. Too bad for all of us. Those security punks must have left their 'Minnesota Nice' at the door or when they donned their uniforms.

    So Billy K jumped down into the melee, following in the footsteps of Marty Balin circa 1969. It sounds like Billy faired a little better and it was Security Guards instead of Pool Cue wielding Hell's Angels.

    Fascinating. It makes you wonder what could have been during Set 3. I was under the assumption it was an encore, but shit.. that coulda been a Dark Star or something amazing.

    Wang Dang Soundcheck started circulating online in mid 2008 when Charlie Miller posted his Transfer of SBD > Master Reel > Dat. Outside of an Official Release, it doesn't get any better than that.

    Speaking of Official Releases (nice segue huh? I like transitions)... Man this 5/26/72 is sooooo goood.
    Set 1 is essentially a Full Show.
    And then... you get some of the greatest music they ever played.
    Pigpen's organ fills during Europe '72 are the cherry on top, he's got the tastiest licks imho.
    I've always liked his sense of when to lay back and when to add color.
    Really enjoying this Truckin' boy howdy, I see what those folks in Turlock were excited about.
    Good Stuff!

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    Woah, don’t think I’ve ever heard anything like that at a dead show before. At first I though someone must of chucked a bottle or something. Can’t believe I’ve never read about this before?
    WANG DANG: weird, not listed in either a Deadbase 10 or 50? Neither is OMSM? Sounds like a job for inspector Good Old....I’m wondering since they obviously don’t really know it if it was an off the cuff reaction to the fighting, I mean it is the perfect song for it lol.
    Great show though, just your typical fall 73, yawn, NOT! Hadn’t heard this one before. Probably cause no DS? Do Love those Trucking/Nobody sequences though. Man what a great tour! Still haven’t gotten to 10/19, just haven’t had time for real sit down in the big boy chair, and that show requires nothing less!
    Been enjoying the picks this week although only on iPad at job site. Tis why I’ve had to delay my fall 89 excursion...did listen to the three Philly shows a bunch on the pad, but didn’t get time for them on the big system until last night. After 10/23/73, and most of 10/18/89 on the pad at work, did 10/18&19/89 last night under proper conditions and yeah, still think Philly was a great run. More on that later. Have to make the best of probably the last nice day this year as it’s supposed to snow and drop from high sixties today to lows near zero by Monday, Booooo!
    One thing I don’t like here, going from extremes with no acclimation time, it’s a horrible shock to the system!
    So out to the garage it is. Perfect for 5/26/72 and then perhaps 10/20/89, with proper replay upstairs tonight.
    More to come...
    Onward!

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    The waiting.....

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    Here’s a Breakdown of Dave’s Picks
    (First #) = Year:
    (2nd =)Total Releases from this year/
    (3rd = )How Many Releases since last pick from this year../
    (4th =)Release # of last pick from this year

    80: 1 / 29 / #8
    69: 2 / 27 / #10
    81: 1 / 17 / #20
    72: 3 / 13 / #24
    71: 3 / 11 / #26
    83: 1 / 10 / #27
    76: 3 / 9 / #28
    70: 2 / 7 / #30
    79: 1 / 6 / #31
    73: 4 / 5 / #32
    77: 5 / 4 / #33
    74: 5 / 3 / #34
    84: 1 / 2 / #35
    87: 1/ 1 / #36
    78: 4/ -/ #37

    I figured we were getting a 78 soon, that and or a 72...of course 69, 80, and 81 are like lost in space...
    My initial reaction was disappointment, but as always I’m sure I’m going to love it and be damn grateful to have it!

    EDIT: so what do y’all think for next box....I’d say 78 since there’s those ABCD Beatty’s and he’s obviously rooting around in that zone except for how poorly the 78 box sold? I’d say it’s fair odds...

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    Agree dvikes. Keithfan used the term Kill Zone (69 through 74) though I would use 70-74, 77.

    Interesting pick. Digesting it a bit, they have gotten a bit formulaic, the first two from the kill zone, the third the head scratcher and the fourth, pot luck. It's good to mix things up, I would never want to be called predictable.

    I guess this whole conversation belongs on the other thread, but oh bother.. it's already written here.

    Since I got in 5/26 already, I guess I have the rest of the day to catch up on what I missed.

    Good vibes, good people and most importantly good shows on this thread. Haven't seen Bolo for a while, we can only assume geopolitical chaos is on the rise. Be good all..

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    Yes, I had early April 78 from the returned reels for a 2021 release. Didn't pick a specific show, however. Also thought we would see the Kezar 73 show. Who knows, maybe #38??
    Someone pointed out that this show would not fit on 3 CDs, so not sure. I think 72 is also due this year, not sure when.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

Got through both today, good pick Conekid. Listened to 12/2 first. Super mellow vibe. Could have dozed off during that super WRS. Stellar finish with that Truckin, Stella Blue and Morning Dew.

For some reason I prefer the 11/30 show, might be the Dew opener, which is so unique. Yes, Vguy, I agree the Dire Wolf is super mellow. Solid sound quality on this show as well, great job for these two, yes not complete shows from late 73, over twenty years old.

Looking forward to another pick, send us one Otis. This is giving me something to look forward to each day during this terrible time.
Maybe we will hear from Bolo again soon?
Nice new avatar Vguy, it is sweet.

Got a notice from Real Gone Music today, more Dick's picks coming back in stock, 31 and 28. That adds to the recent return of 33 and 29. These four, along with 36 are some of the best, IMO, they put out in the last two to three years. Good work Dave!

Otis, yes, Phil would get very vocal in the early days, through maybe 77. Then, we didn't hear from Phil for a long time.

Be well folks!

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It may only be me on this journey, but I'm glad to have you here...

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Might As Well fire up 10-21-71 next.

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Dave's #3 is in process. Started this morning. Good choice!

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....back to everyday. Was supposed to be off today, but a last minute corporate decision yesterday changed that. Otherwise I'd be halfway through 10.22.71. Listening to 4.14.71 at work though. These Buds+ earpieces are pretty sweet.

Very crisp recording! Good pick Otis, have not listened to this one in a while. Always interesting to listen to some of the classics in the early development phase. Jerry was very talkative in this release. "Hey this place is full of people, too weird."

Great Sugaree, Loser, Black Peter, stellar Comes a Time. Cumberland Blues is hot and than an old school That's it for the Other one.
Disc 3 from the previous night is no slouch, solid Truckin, Dark Star, St. Stephen! Great stuff.
Hard to believe how different they sounded when they got to Europe less than six months later, but that is what makes this so fun.

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This is what I’m listening to today. Great Dead show I highly recommend it. I think 5-6 people might be participating.

I've got a lot of work to get through today, so I think I will start with 7/13/89 RFK and finish up with 4/15/70. I wasn't able to get Boxilla, so I will have to archive it, but no biggie :) Then, perhaps a night cap of the 7/12 RFK show...

I'm excited because these RFK shows do not get the love they deserve, and it has been quite some time since they went for a spin. The 4/15 Winterland show will be a first listen for me, so I'm pumped for that too...

I am surprised that more people haven't jumped on the bandwagon here, what with all of the time many of us have on our hands. Perhaps you are correct in many people are going through E72, and how that takes a lot of time. Personally, I LOVE E72, but I need some more variety in my listening - even if 95% of it is one band :)

Happy listening!

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your comments, but haven’t been writing....so catch up time...
Loved 9/10/83, and think I liked 9/11 even more! Went for 10/17/82 for extra credit, but didn’t make it through....it was decent but didn’t seem to have the fire in the nuts that the 83s did and the sound wasn’t as good....still think there’s more hot stuff from that summer/fall 83 period. Remember thinking that I should do a real time comparison between the good matrix versions of those Sante Fe’s and the board cassette sourced DaP 27. or DP 6 for that matter. I’ve always felt many of these shows don’t resonate as well due to the flatness or compressed feel of those sources. They just don’t breathe, and 10/14/83 I was at so I’ve felt the recordings just don’t due the shows justice. Of course it’s been mentioned before, how would tptb get around this? Would it be such a big deal to throw a brother some cash for the use of their recordings? The more I hear good matrix’ the more I like better than SB only! Many of the Video discs and Spring 90 Terrapin Release 3/15/90 and perhaps Dozin at Knick? seem to use more ambient mics that to me make the instruments sound way more natural then SB only. I feel this is especially true during post Beatty years, which if they could solve this might make more of the later years available or useable...just a thought...

DP 14: what can I say, always been a favorite. Was one of the few must haves even back when I had the “whata i need more shows for” attitude. Not complete, but not so Frankensteined as some DPs, and from the great fall 73 tour, especially from the “the last ten”. These shows have always been top shelf for me; Amazing jams, true 5 piece during one of their most spectacular phases! Great pick, needed to get reacquainted!

DaP 3: this one is new to me so I’m not as intimate with it, but daddy like! Interestingly, understandably, not as tight as a week or 2 or 3 later, but surely made up for with enthusiasm, and neat look at many newish, work in progress material. Comes a time comes to mind, as well as One Mo Saturday....I must say, I think I like 10/21 better, but a Dark Star will do that to me....I’m realizing that my hangups with 70-71 is the outta tune guitars. Checked out that cool Calebration video someone posted, and same thing. Really dug it, cool transitional period, with great new songs, but Oy, those guitars sometimes are tough to take.....but so what, good pick!

Ok, today, we’ll try 4/15/70 first and follow up with 7/13/89. It’s the Mrs one allowed day a week to work from home (which is stupid because she has plenty more work but they’ll only allow 1 day, idiots)...so have to keep it down a bit, and have a new project to get on, so I’ll do the 4/15 first and wait to crank the 89 tonight.

4/16/72: I would love to do this one tomorrow! Can’t/haven’t taken the full E72 Pepsi challenge for various reasons, but have been trying to at least check out monster jams etc. So this way we get 2 birds stoned at the same time!

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Jerry’s Gibson SG really sings during the Other One . Big sound in a bigger space than ballrooms or theaters. Lovelight / NFA / Lovelight is spiritual . A favorite 30 trips.

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Average so far Pig Pen's blues picking it up. Candyman, how sweet!

Cryptical> Drums>Jam >The Other One>Cryptical>Dire Wolf and the rest of Disc 2 is great!

Multi Track bliss. Sounds so good. Great first set, really well played To Lay Me Down. I liked the LLR versions from this era, Bobby got after it on a lot of these. Love the Terrapin. Always makes me sad when I hear I will take you home, we lost Brent way too early. 79-90 was a very important era for the band. So many highs and lows. Good solid finish and I like this version of Good Lovin they did with some added vocals from Brent. Heard it a few times in 89.

Strider, I don't have 4/15/70, otherwise I would que it up.

I am down for 4/16/72 tomorrow, I have this one.

Be well!

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....4.15.70 is on the Archive. Doesn't sound as good, but decent enough. Couple cuts here and there.

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Proof that the band had solid performances later in their career .

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Rebirth of the Dead

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RFK - such good stuff! Sadly, I was not able to get in a listen to 7/12, but I am sure that will come along soon now that the set is back on my mind.

I really enjoyed the whole show, but especially that 2nd set!

Now, 4/15/70 - that was a whole different beast. I really enjoyed what I heard (only got through about 2/3) but I will be finishing it up today. Then, I suppose it is on to 4/16/72. Was that the pick for today?

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Didn't mean to abandon this thread - covid has hit a little too close to home.

2 family members (relatively mild to moderate symptoms and recovering, thankfully), and the wife of my walking/hiking buddy (not doing so well). He's awaiting test results for himself, and if he's positive I'll need to get tested as well. We are careful to keep our distance from each other, but you never know with this insidious virus. I feel great, by the way.

I'll check back in a few days. Glad to see y'all are still going back and re-visiting those gems that have been neglected for far too long!

Cheers and good health to all.

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Listen to GOGD to keep the spirits up.

Just finished 4-16-72, played it while working so sometimes I was listening to it and sometimes it was just background music. That Cumberland seemed like it was one Vguy would like.

Now what to listen to?
Think I will go with 7-12-89 to complement yesterday’s listen of 7-13.

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Bolo, very sorry to hear that and we hope you and your family will come through this okay on the other side. Just a terrible time and we hope to hear from you again soon.

Your idea for these picks have kept my spirits up here in MN.

Be well Bolo!

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....bolo apologizing for being away from these boards. You have zero reason to apologize. Take care of you and yours and we will survive. Wishing you well.
And yes, that Cumberland is very nice. The Cumberland from Europe '72 was the song that got me interested in the GOGD. Is 4.16 the version?

6-7-77
9-12-89
4-16-72

I get a lot more listening done when home in quarantine. I don’t listen to music when at work, so it’s just in the car and when at home.

The June 77 Box got a lot of listening years ago when it still had that new car smell, but then other stuff got released and that stuff got played a lot. It’s great to go back to stuff that hasn’t been played in a long time, it seems new but also familiar. The Morning Dew on 6-7-77 totally did for me today, had forgotten about that one.

Been a busy day. E72 shows speak for themselves, so good. Really good China- Rider, Dire Wolf, Cumberland, Truckin. Solid show with something like 750 people. Good choice!

Also got in the first set of 7/12/89 as well. Always liked Phil on Tom Thumbs Blues, stellar FOTD.

Looking forward to a new pick for tomorrow.

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I’ll probably have enough time for a least two, so 4-17-72 will be included.
I have another pick to suggest , but it can wait for any day, as it seems we’ll be here for a while.
I’ll throw it out tomorrow morning while drinking morning coffee if another suggestion hasn’t been made by then. Keep it to official releases because that’s what’s loaded on my music player.

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....better late than never!! A GSET opener is always welcome. Going frozen food tonight for din-din. Egg rolls and beer.
I totally missed the Daves 3 listen. Oops.
I have a pick for tomorrow! Winterland 10.22.67. The live bonus from the Anthem Of The Sun 50th. One disc. Surely we can find the time for that.
Edit....lets listen to the whole release!!!
I'm conekids wingman.

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Ah Youth. The band plays with youthful abandon and exuberance during Truckin . Haven't listened to Arhuus in a long time. Picked up this morning from almost where I left off last night. Restart Truckin. Will try and squeeze in 4/17/72 later.
I’ve never been across the big pond.
GD in Europe like Kesey said; “heads across the water.”

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Ok, I'll bite.. this is fun.

I'm usually just a lurker but you guys have inspired me, so Thank you!

1972-04-16 was killer diller yesterday, That was soo good! It just shows the quality of that tour that not a song from that show made the album.. wow.
1970-04-15 - It took a few songs for the boys to get going, but God Damn, that TIFTOO Jam is HUGELY epic. That was great to hear again.

I still gotta listen to the '89 show... but I went off on a different trip yesterday after 4/16/72 and revisited Dick's first pick, 1973-12-19, but wanted to hear the "full show" so listened to the Miller SBD, Dick was right on all his picks, those are indeed the best tracks..

LATVALA!

Another reason I wanted to go back to 12/19 was to listen to Phil's Bass solo that got edited out, I was listening to an interview & Gans mentioned that and I'd forgotten it was missing (nice editing!). After doing some diggin' I came across it... it's cool and worth a listen.. but it sounds like it was missing from the Master Reel anyway as the solo only circulates as an audience patch from what I could find. Anyhow.. definitely worth a revisit whether you're listening to DP V1 or the Miller SBD or the Partial patch.. or all 3 will take you places too:)

Alright now you know why I'm a lurker.. I start babbling and stuff.

So it's 1972-04-17 today you say? Followed by the Grateful Dead Movie on Shakedown Stream... Happy Friday!

Thanks everyone, I'm digging the synchronicity of listening to picks from knowledgable heads and going to far out places.

During times like these it's like Jerry says on 12/19/73 “Remember Your Hippie Training Folks! Be Cool!!”

Thank you for being Cool!

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I don’t know the first thing about it.
I used calculator and entered the date from my first GD concert plus date from last. 9181 days or twenty five years ,one month and twenty one days. Then I calculated 9181 days since my last Dead show 2/21/95 and came up with last Saturday .
Still trying to wrap my mind around that ole man time.

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4-17-72 playing now
10-22-67 and Anthem-50th completed.

Welcome The GOGD, glad you came out of hiding.

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Thanks icecrmcnkd!

Dig it here.

Got sidetracked with some fresh 1991 Preston.Miller upgrades on Archive.org.

As soon as I finish grooving to 1991-09-26, which is sounding pretty darn good, Ima gonna load up 1972-04-17 and enjoy the ride.

If we could lose the Virus I could get used to this... Be well everyone!

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Nice to see you here GOGD.

Send us a pick for tomorrow.

I am going to check out the Shakedown Stream at 7:00 CST for the Q&A.

Be well people!

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Thanks DeadVikes!

What about 1973-02-26 - Dick's Picks V28? (missing Set 1 songs on Archive.org)

I haven't listened to it in awhile and could use a fresh pair of ears on it, not much early '73 happening here yet from what I can tell. I listened to 1973-02-09 last week for the first time in forever and was taken away..

If that's not working I can always throw the hat in for 1972-09-16 or that can be a bonus pick.

Between this and watching old Bill Walton, David Lemieux & Gary Lambert I'm feeling some DeadHead pride. Good music can make sad times better. Hats off to you all for doing some good work here.

Here's a list of what's come before (I think):
1967-10-22 - Anthem 50th Bonus Material (2020-04-06)
1968-02-23 & 24 DP V22 (2020-04-09)
1969-01-24, 25 & 26 - Aoxomoxoa 50th Bonus Material (2020-04-12)
1970-04-15 - 30 Trips (2020-04-15)
1971-10-21 & 22 - Dap 3 (2020-04-14)
1972-04-16 - Europe 72 Box (2020-04-16)
1972-04-17 - Europe 72 Box (2020-04-17)
1972-11-15 & 17 - DaP V11 (2020-04-07)
1973-11-30 & 12-02 - DP 14 (2020-04-13)
1978-02-03, 04 & 05 - DP V18 (2020-04-06)
1979-12-26 & 28 - DP V5 & RT 3.1 (2020-04-07)
1983-09-10 & 11 - SBDs (2020-04-08)
1989-07-12 - RFK Box (2020-04-15)

The following shows were also Mentioned
1972-04-17
1973-09-08
1973-12-01
1977-06-07
1979-09-01
1980-09-02
1980-10-10
1985-11-01
1989-07-13
1989-09-12

PS - That trip through 4/17/72 Dark Star > Sugar Mag > Caution > JBG was soooo sick today! I had to do that twice. Makes you think what could have been… Nobody stuck around to film Set 3.. forehead smack!!!

....you call it babbling. Here we call it crunching Dead numbers. I'm in. Lincoln has the slight advantage due to a GSET with a Dark Star chaser. Salt Lake has a Cold Rain opener (always an indication) and an Eyes->Dew. Tough call.

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I am in on this for tomorrow. Good choice GOGD. Dick's 28. Another super solid Dave release.

And this one is for sale again at Real Gone if anybody doesn't have an official copy. Wow!

Cool!

Since it’s the weekend and all here’s my pick:
1973-02-26 - Dick’s Picks V28
1973-02-28 - Dick’s Picks V28
Take your pick, do ‘em both… choice is yours

Extra Credit jam the missing tracks on archive.org or in your stash.

Filler:
1972-09-16 - Circulating SBD partial

Just getting to the 1967-10-22, had to save it for the right time, and the right time is now…
Morning Dew, NPC, Hurts Me Too, great young band version CR&S, Lovelight, sick BIODTL (Jerry fanning.. this S#*% is good!

Dig the Avatar and oh yeah provided this is all copacetic with the moderator... alligator!

Stay well and remember your hippie training.