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  • ripple70
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    whats about
    were wolves of london wembley halloween 90 or anything from rockpalast essen oh oh shakedown st essen.
  • Brother Esau
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    radio program dead in europe
    i have a small radio program here in valencia spain one hour twice a month. i was thinking of doing a show composed of grateful dead performances in europe. anybody want to help me out with suggestions? ideally, there would be something from each tour, and spread out from different venues adn different countries. obviously there need to be high qualtiy recordings easily accesible. ratdog also counts, i think. remember it's only an hour long show, so "the entire second set from wembley" is not going to fit. let's hear your opinions on the best performances, single song or song sequence (china cat > rider, etc.) from europe. BTW sorry this isn't a contest, no one will be sending you a free copy of road trips vol. 1 2 or 3, but you'll make my life easier and my listeners happier.
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    close but no cigar
    if that is as close as it gets, i guess the answer is no. i'll even concede the 2nd sets as identical and even the 1st encore is the same. but the first sets only have some similarities. i'll admit i'm surprised. i would have thought that it had to happen at least once, the truth is i'm surprised that that is offered up as the only time a second set was repeated. with far less songs, the probability would be much higher
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    identical setlists Gonzo's answer
    In August Lamagonzo posted this on another forum http://www.dead.net/features/august-23-august-29-2010?page=1 this is what he said. ---------------------------------------- 'The question of 2 identical show lists is a factoid I obsessed on for some time until satisfying myself that I had the definitive answer. The answer is never, but almost. The entire 2nd set is virtually identical except for a Nobody's jam. The dates are, drum roll please, Prov. 5/14/78 and and UCSB 6/4/78 Read'em and weep.' --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COME BACK GONZO
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    I'd check with the DeadBase folks (who are in any case putting together a new edition). I vaguely recall hearing that there were something like one or two instances of duplicate setlists over the band's entire career, but the discussion in question was many years ago so I'm not sure the recollection should be trusted!
  • ripple70
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    curiosity gets the better of mepeace esau.
  • Brother Esau
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    i certainly wouldn't bother researching it. just curious.
  • ripple70
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    repeat shows brother esau
    This has come up in forums before esau and some one said gonzo i think that no two shows have ever been the same now i could research this but aint got the time maybe some one else knows more........
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    before anyone points it out i want to apologize to Workingman's Deed from Scotland! I also read a post at eurotraders that suggested that laffin bones might get together again. any word on that?
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    european dead tribute bands
    here is a list of what i believe to be all the dead tribute bands currently active in europe or at least still maintain a web presence. can anyone think of any others? please send me the contact information if you do. (CZECH REPUBLIC) Bardo Thödol (DENMARK) Seven'th Heaven (FRANCE) Deadicace (GERMANY) Cosmic Finger Dead Again OE Kapelle S.A.M. Schluff Jull That's Wooden Music (SWEDEN) Mushroom Pickers Uncle John's Band (SWITZERLAND) Fresh Kneedrops (UNITED KINGDOM) Cosmic Charlies
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Spanish Bob does it again! Spanish Bob does it again!
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Montreuil (métro Mairie de Montreuil) célèbre le Summer of Love jusqu'à fin octobre. Le programme complet est àhttp://bib.quoideneuf.free.fr/article-programme-summeroflove.htm Ne ratez pas le concert de Deadicace le 8 septembre, avec la présence annoncée de Barry Melton ! --------------------- Montreuil (near Paris, France)(métro : Mairie-de-Montreuil) celebrates the Summer of Love till October 31th. The complete program is here : http://bib.quoideneuf.free.fr/article-programme-summeroflove.htm Don't miss the Deadicace's concert on September 8th, with Barry Melton in guest star !
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For anybody in Germany, tonight on WDR "Rockpalast" will be sending the 1981 Essen Grugahalle show at 11:45 p.m. Know what I will be doing tonight! Hooray! Setlist below:01 Alabama Getaway (4'10'') 02 Graetest Story Ever Told (4'35'') 03 Sugaree (12'31'') 04 Me And My Uncle (3'50'') 05 Mexicali Blues (3'17'') 06 Shakedown Street (11'49'') 07 Little Red Rooster (8'14'') 08 Althea (9'20'') 09 Looks Like Rain (8'20'') 10 Deal (8'50'') 11 Samson And Delilah (6'42'') 12 Ship Of Fools (8'00'') 13 Estimated Prophet (12'46'') 14 He's Gone (10'20'') 15 The Other One (7'00'') 16 The Beast - Drum solos (incl.Flying Karamazov Brothers) (24'02'') 17 Not Fade Away * (11'30'') 18 Wharf Rat * (9'30'') 19 Around And Around * (4'00'') 20 Good Lovin' (7'25'') 21 One More Saturday Night (4'30'') (* = mit Pete Townshend)
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i remember watching that first time around, are they showing The Who's set also? Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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No The Who, but did see highlights of that a couple of weeks ago. WDR has been sending a half hour "best of 30 years of Rockpalast" for the last few weeks on Saturday night. Saw some real funny stuff like Joe Jackson, REM with a completely schnockered Michael Stype, Ramones, and all sorts of other things.Last night was "jam band" night, and entire shows-started w/the above Dead, then Pfish, then Dave Matthews Band at Lorelei on the Rhine, then Widespread Panick. Went 'til 6:15 this morning-full length concerts all of them. I personally only made it through the Dead show. Was really great fun to watch, and what was cracking me up was that the German audience was obviously NOT familiar with the eternal tuning of Jerry. Were getting pissed and cranky in between numbers-could hear guys in the crowd shouting "SPIEL ENDLICH" (play already)
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I have only heard the Who's set, it was not broadcast on English TV, in march 81. I have seen the Who more than any other band over the years, the last time in May this year in Madrid An amazing Band, but a lot of their reputation was made in my hometown in the 60's Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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I remember having a GD party in London to watch that show when it happened all those years ago. I still watch it from time to time. Amazing that German TV still show it. I have been posting on the DVD section of this site trying to get an official release. The Dead show is fun and very good up to Drums. The audience certainly look and act bemused at times and they look so young. Lovely moment during Drums when Bill's microphone keeps falling off its stand. He picks it up and for a moment grins and whirls it round on its cable a la Roger Daltry Whatever Garcia and Townsend got up to during drums heaven knows, but they come back looking and acting very wasted after. Second comic moment is when Garcia launches into Wharf Rat and Weir frantically tries to teach the song to a bemused Townsend in the background. The Who show is pretty good too. Sunshine, Tiger drop me a message in my inbox if you want to know more ;-) Drop a message of
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Goodness I can't believe it's been 17 years. Where does the time go? My good friend Josh and I were hitchhiking through East Germany on our way to the Berlin shows and were finally picked up by a car full of hippies on the way to the shows. They had a candle burning on the dashboard and we crammed i. A guy named Martin from near Frankfurt was driving, his friend Allie was in the car as was a woman named Molly from Minnesota. We proceeded to have a real good time in Berlin and then after saying goodbye to Josh I hopped in with my new friends and we headed to Frankfurt. I'll never forget that night in Festhalle, an old and ornate European theater, or the all night partying that followed. Anyway, I thought I'd write in the hopes of hearing back from any of you who might read this and remember those times. Keep on keepin' on! db
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Cosmicbadger, you are soo right about that Grugahalle show! Agree w/you that Townsend looked like he landed on the wrong planet-very wasted and quite confused! Insecure almost. Cracked me up with Bobby taking care of him, you're right! Jerry was oblivious! Seemed like he was doing his own thing during Not Fade Away too, though he surely knew that one!!!!!!!! Thought "Shakedown Street" was particularly hot. Bob & Jerry going back and forth at the end. And "bemused" is a good word for the German crowd. Was missing the roar of the crowd during "He's Gone" on the "steal your face right off your head" line too. And German t.v. digs out those Rockpalast shows in general from time to time, showing them late at night, or all night. The public t.v. channels air it (is cheap and fills ALOT of airtime, you know) PLUS there were alot of classic shows on Rockpalast over 30 years. WILL indeed "drop you a pm"! :-)
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I watched my DVD of the show the other night and i hadn't noticed before, when Jer is tuning at the beginning of the show you see Townshend talking to him over the amp. I don't know if the copy broadcast on TV was any better than that which i have on DVD but it is not up to release quality. Cosmicbadger i assume you are a brit also, I come from Brighton Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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I was also at The Berlin and Frankfurt shows ( and all the others as well). I traveled everywhere by Train, in Berlin i stayed in what used to be migrant workers accommodation in East Berlin, Karl Marx Strasse junction with Ho Chi Minh alle, they know how to name streets there. I will dig out my photos of the tour and scan them and put them up on the site Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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i have just started scanning my photos etc of the Europe tour and have posted the first few of Stockholm Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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This is from another list I know there's a few French residents here. He's playing at a festival in Rochefort (near La Rochelle) tonight. Festival site here http://www.rochefort-en-accords.fr/programme.htm There's also a good article/interview in today's Liberation : http://www.liberation.fr/culture/273908.FR.php I liked this quote (on his days with the Fish) "We were young & carefree with no ambitions, except changing the world. I don't know what happened but we completely screwed up. The world's even worse today than it was before" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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firing up the photon torpedoes...
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Like the new photo!!!!!!!!! Faces are more friendly somehow than graphics, I think.
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which wern't there just now Times are wrong also Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Hey Peoples!! I'm doing a little jaunt around the east at the moment! Bloody nice to be out of Germany for a bit! I'm pretty shattered on one level that my application for a Green Card was turned down (for those I've mentioned this to), but I feel unburdened now the ten year process is over. It's a big world and I'm wasting no time now! Next stop Vilnius, Lithuania, then on to Latvia and Estonia! Spreading the love! Connecting with good folks! Keep smilin'! Jody Are you kind?
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EUROPE PRE 72 and 72.. I was too young, that was the year I first heard the Dead and the next year I purchased a second hand copy of Live Dead, which changed everything EUROPE 74. Grounded for the Ally Pally shows by a conspiracy of school and parents EUROPE 76 Dead and Santana were promoted by Bill Graham to perform a huge outdoor show at Wembley Stadium (capacity 80,000) called Greetings from San Francisco. At last it was our time…tickets in hand….then the show was cancelled due to poor ticket sales. Graham was perhaps rather overambitious to think he’d sell out Wembley EUROPE 78 Dead were due to play some shows on the way back from Egypt. Had tickets. AGAIN CANCELLED…..to add insult to injury Blair Jackson revealed in his book on Garcia that this was because they wanted to get back to the US to finish work on ‘Shakedown Street’. Thanks guys…so never got to see Keith and Donna EUROPE 81. AT LAST. Not one, but two tours, with loads of shows at the wonderful Rainbow in Finsbury Park (perhaps they were saying sorry for 76 and 78). Loved it all. .or as much as I can remember ….not as much really out there jamming as I would have liked and Garcia looked strung out, but some great setlists and much much fun THEN: 9 YEARS OF NOTHING. Rumours of shows at Glastonbury (now what a dream that always was), but nothing. Blair Jackson suggests that Garcia was reluctant to tour because he could not guarantee a ‘supply’. That was actually quite hard to take when I read it, but I never knew it at the time. SUMMER 1990. Saved up enough money to go to the US, see some friends. I arrived the day Brent died. I never knew till then how much it meant to some…I saw people crying in the streets in Marin County. Wrecked my friends van then came close to being murdered by gun toting crazies while hitching in N California. Not a good summer. EUROPE 90. Resigned that it would be cancelled, but amazingly not. I was even able to take my son to a show…it was a very different Dead for sure from the one we grew up with, but who cared….and a Dark Star at the end. Couldn’t/wouldn’t give up my dayjob for the whole tour (lucky Bob), but happy and grateful we were there.
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i took my summer holiday, but luckily i worked for BR so got free train travel:-)) Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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............the thing is following the Dead in those years was something like supporting a useless sports team.....mostly frustration and endless patience based on blind irrational loyalty waiting for the day . People thought we were mad, especially as punk and new wave got going. A thin diet of mostly substandard official recordings... and if were lucky a bootleg LP or tape. Yes there were some legendary mysterious tape collectors in the UK with US contacts, but it was hard to trade with nothing. So when we get told we are not real deadheads it pains us a bit. This year someone told me that you can only call yourself a deadhead if you have seen 30 shows or more. Actually I don't give a feck about the label, but when I hear someone complain what a bummer it was that no one gave them a 'miracle' and therefore they missed the 5th to last 'Black throated wind' I roll my eyes a little...our miracle was for the feckers (meant in the kind non perjorative sense) to turn up!!!!!! Well we have all come our own different routes to this place and and that's what matters.....................
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I sort of had a hiatus when thought they had gone the same way as all the other SF bands, except Santana. Then saw them on Rockpalast and things haven't been the same since. only set two at the time on tv in simulcast and set one was only on the radio Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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i posted my last comment after Cosmicbadger but has come up half hour before we are only only one time Zone apart and i am directly south Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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My greetings to the fellow European Deadheads.To be honest I do not dare to call me a Deadhead, since I am fairly new in listening to the GD. I started last year after purchasing the two box sets with their Studio Material and subsequently got caugth on the live side. I do love those "From the vault" recordings, the new "Cow Palace" release and all the other live CD releases. I especially love the McKernan aera and those endless jams. In the moment I am reading a book about the GD from their former manager, Rock. Furthermore I listen to the Allman Brothers, Gov't Mule, Quicksilver Messenger, Heavy stuff, every now and then a opera. Maybe some German fans can throw me line. For now: all the best Frank
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I am English but living in Spain a couple of site which might be useful to you http://bt.etree.org/ http://www.shnflac.net/index.php http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/eurotraders the first two are Bit Torrent sites which have a lot of Grateful Dead stuff on the third is a yahoo group for European Deadheads Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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welcome Frank....you are lucky ..Bob usually replies to posts before they're delivered, for reasons no-one can understand!!
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cosmicbadger, you forgot the most important part-he usually responds before AND also either two or three times:-)Hallo Frank, Ich bin auch momentan in Deutschland, aber für nicht mehr lange. Wo wohnst Du? Ich bin in SüdHessen.
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is having way too much fun exploiting our little software problems, heh.
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LOL! Excellent, Spanish Bob! Speaking of, Sevilla next Tuesday for me.
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i see Bobby has paid Europe a visit See Weir in Norway posting Bob W - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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i see Bobby has paid Europe a visit See Weir in Norway posting Bob W - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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...I think he only visited us once ;-) sorry Bob, it must be a fecking nightmare for you!!
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it is nice today that Europe has got some attention :-)) Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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yes indeed......after all the effort coming from here to support the site. I've been checking out this Sirius radio..it broadcasts on internet at 128kbps for $12.95 per month, but I do not know if it accepts non-US Credit cards....its not really worth it for me unless I can record off it. oh well
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Is only in the 'teens here, and am already wearing long sleeves. Am trying to figure out if I need to pack t-shirts again for Sevilla on Tuesday. Would appreciate a general weather-trend report for Andalucia a whole lot; but once will do :-)
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It is cooler today than the last few days, but an awful lot warmer than northern Europe.Seville will be warmer than here also. I am in shorts and t shirt too warm for anything else. It will be probably in the 30's today. 35 36 something like that. You will need your sun cream also :-) Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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will pack for warm weather and system shock. Will pack my suncream and sunglasses too. Last time was in Spain, in June, the ocean took my sunglasses, so will be more careful this time. Was my offering to the mighty sea force, I suppose. Booked my ticket today, which was a whole rigamarole. Last time could fly direct Frankfurt/Sevilla, but this time doesn't work.
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¿Que pasa? Hello folks, here I am in the province of Ávila, deadhead long ago, first concert in Barcelona, october, 19, 1981, only show in Spain. I'm from Madrid, where we are a group of good ol' deadheads friends, and also I have two good friends deadheads in Barcelona. Alive in a farm in a forest of pines in Avila province, Terrapin call. If you travel near here you welcome home music never stopped..