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    In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.

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    NFA! ( ~ ) ; ~ ) You know our love will not fade away! Not fade away Not fade away!
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    Love is Real not Fade Away........ Sums it up for me, and if we are going on the religion side I choose NONE. No Religion.....now Spirituality, well it could mean so much to so many people. Personally My beliefs are straight out of the Biblical Sense.....However I am by no means one to judge others beliefs. I know that I'm spiritual and I also do know there is TRUE LOVE going on in this community of People. I love you all! I also just realized how I reached all these epiphany's with a little help from a notorious band's Energy and Spiritual Relief......The good Ole' Grateful Dead....... ENJOY! Love is REAL!!! ♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥
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    Thank you lamagonzo from the bottom of my heart.Makes my posts look even more rambling than usual though!; you're showing me up here! ha ha!! The gonzo as succinct as ever! And that's pretty surprising regarding the Furthur show. Weird! In a family area that's busy, then i'd agree but otherwise..... I like that sentiment too; recharge then pass it on. i shall have to do it more often.
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    re: Jonapi's postings & Marye's admonishments
    Reading the last 20 posts I find Marye's admonishments to be over the top in this thread, Why dictate? Humor and satire are not necessarily bad and can be instructive. Marye has bashed me for throwing a joke in this column also. I resent it, so I don't post in this thread anymore. There are people here who THINK they know the truth about everything. I agree with 95% of Jonapi"s comments, especially the last one with the graphic images of starvation in the horn of Africa coming in. But a lot more. I got a good laugh about his joke. It was funny. As for Jonapi's general sentiment I agree completely. Walk the walk. Religions SHOULD come with a warning label! Though I have no problem with parents who wish to induce good tendencies and charitable beliefs. The coolest parents take their kids everywhere and then say "you decide, even if nothing". I saw a lot of fundamentalist Deadheads on the current Furthur tour acting like the Taliban. I was accosted by one young man for smoking a joint in the "lawn" area of a very uncrowded show. I don't resent them, mostly because they offset a lot of the opiate crowd out there yelling "Dirty needles, peanut butter & used underwear here!" I DO resent their poor taste and temptation. Anyway, I agree wholeheartedly with Jonapi that we would all do a lot more good by practising our beliefs in our communities most of the time with a proviso that everybody needs to take time for themselves to recharge with their Divinity. I must confess that I was an ordained monk in the order of His Holiness The Dalai Lama for 12 years. Few listen, few learn, few progress on the spiritual path.
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    "Religiously" try to avoid?.....ha ha!!Hey, no worries. Like i said, i wasn't out to offend anyone. I guess it can come across as too angry but i feel that sometimes it is justified. On occasions, enough is enough and it's time to pierce the lethargy and "oh, well, nevermind" approach and cut to the chase. That day was one of those. I appreciate your reply. To make clear, i was not a victim of anything that appalling, although i have friends who were. They too switch between moments of compassion, forgiveness, and blind rage. The most important thing is to discuss it which hopefully now others will. As i wrote in my initial post, i applaud and am fascinated by different schools of thought; but in times of such immense suffering maybe relying on this just doesn't help enough. To rest on one's laurels as it were is dangerous. The safety zone too close to being complicit. But this is a Friday; the clouds here in London have parted and the blue in view. I would like to offer positivity to everyone, not negativity. Have a glorious weekend.
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    I religiously try to avoid this forum but if I think someone is putting down others or my beliefs I will jump in. Thanks for your explanation and if you were a victem of abuse in any way I'm truly sorry. I liked your Dali Lama prayer. Good post.
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    Ahh, but is there really a hell?..........................................................................
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    Whoa, a little surprised there at that reaction.I thought i made it quite clear about my feelings regarding the importance of spiritual enlightenment. At no point, in any of my posts, were i mocking religion or damning people for whatever path they are on. In fact, i think i repeated myself a fair few times, probably quite unnecessarily! I am all too aware of the importance that any religion plays in people's lives. My mum is Christian and goes to church regularly and it's certainly a place of sanctuary for her, especially after her husband, my dad, died a long, drawn out death from cancer. A couple of replies to your comments i feel are needed, out of respect. Siskiyou Brian? at NO point did i write that i knew it all. Please re-read my posts. I know about as much as you, anyone else in this Forum, and the Universe at large. My post was meant to, hopefully, generate discussion. A discussion about the way people on the Forums view Religion in their lives. About what they feel they are a part of and what they feel they accomplish. Having watched a variety of news stories the morning of the post (the drought in East Africa, the drowning of over 100 hundred people, including many children on a cruise ship in Russia) and them coinciding with my reading at the time (both "Freedom In Exile", the autobiography of the Dali Lama, and a wonderful, inspiring book by Chöyam Trungpa called "Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism"), i felt compelled to write. The disgraceful scenes in Africa; the fact that in 2011, with all our advances in science and technology, coupled with leaders of that country purporting to be God-fearing, it is vomit-inducing to still see starvation and suffering on such an epic scale. How can we possibly still have such a situation in this day and age? As someone rightly pointed out on the news, with all the billions of euros going to bail out Greece and the like, just ONE stinking billion could radically alter this appalling catastrophe. Have we forgotten the words "water pipeline", "infrastructure" ? They're in my vocabulary. But i digress. My anger is directed at those who casually, and in some cases, not so casually, align themselves with a particular group and get caught up in the theatre and ritual instead of pulling up the shirtsleeves and helping. Of course, not all of us are in a position to do this, INCLUDING me most of the time. We aren't in positions of power or influence in a large sense, usually only in our own community or to the friends and families around us. (Which can spread change of course). But my exasperation is rightly felt because, i believe, that the true core message of Spirituality has (and has for many centuries) become debased. I believe (that's right, just an opinion, not a statement of fact, hence the reason for an open discussion) that by it's very nature, any Religion will eventually create divide. It just can't help it. Maybe not for thousands of people, but unfortunately to many thousands more who DO have these positions of influence on a grand scale and it's these who are doing the most damage. As i pointed out before, there is nothing inherently wrong with someone buying into the New Age schtick; they have a couple crystals, some twinkling bells and some whale song music on the stereo; better that than committing acts of violence, very true. But even then, by reducing spirituality to that kinda level it gets distorted and reduced. You go out in the street and ask what the words "Spirit" and "Spirituality" mean to people; it has become something of a joke; fairies at the bottom of the garden, cloying, sickly sweet images of "angels" and such. It's not harmful per se to like that type of stuff, but it perpetuates the laugh and dismissal of something so important. And you're right, Siskiyou Brian, i do have a serious problem, although not in the knee-jerk reaction way you meant; i would like my fellow human beings to remove the clutter of pageantry and theatre, discard membership of any particular club and practice, wholeheartedly what it purports to preach. As far as i can see it gets in the way; people follow the ritual, maybe without knowing; there is a comfort there that i can understand of course, but it can lead to "going through the motions", repeating the words without feeling the meaning. Doesn't make them bad people some of them and i never said it did, but it doesn't actually help those in desperate need. Say everyone, instead of going to church, used that Sunday morning to do something for the community instead? That's not a smart-ass thought is it, genuinely? I'm not asking such an outlandish question? And no, in case you misunderstand this sentence as well, i am not writing this with a smug smile on my face, patting myself on the back because i've figured it all out and what took you so long?; NO, it IS a serious question that i believe would make a massive difference, not only to others but also to one's own spiritual well-being. A quote here from the Dalai Lama autobiography: "...the problems we face today are mainly caused by humans. They can be resolved - but only through human effort, understanding and the development of of a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood. To do this, we need to cultivate a universal responsibility for one another and for the planet we share, based on a good heart and awareness. I am convinced that these qualities can be developed by anyone, with or without religion." To marye: i am quite chilled believe it or not ha ha!! And with all gentle respect, i did repeat many times in my posts that i am concerned about the distressing things that humans do to each other and the very real important need for spiritual growth and understanding. I also stated that i was not out to mock anyone for their beliefs in any way whatsoever. I am on the side of love and compassion for everyone, yes, including pedophiles. They do not choose to become one, like one chooses a haircut or a meal from a restaurant menu. They are born that way. It will never be eradicated because it is part of human nature whether we like it or not. And as one of the victims of abuse on the news stated quite clearly, he is not ant- or against the whole church but is against the overwhelming deceit and corruption inherent in it. He also made it clear that he forgives the priest who committed the act. And so to the supposed "joke" i wrote. I don't consider it a joke. True, the wording is so that it adds a sneer to the point i was making but i did not set out to offend anyone. Again, i believe i used the words "love", "compassion" and "spirit" enough times to show where my beliefs are. I was and still am, incredibly angry at the way the Vatican and the Catholic Church has dealt with (and probably still will) this situation. It is a complete, selfish, greedy and downright disgusting way to treat others. And i strongly believe that anyone who would call themselves a Catholic has the moral duty to bombard the Vatican and the rather dubious Pope in it, with a an overwhelming tsunami of outrage and sow the seeds that will make sure a cover up NEVER happens in this way again. No one is above the law. If it was the head of your company dragging the employees names through the mud and overlooking atrocities and declaring himself a spokesman for YOU, i think you would behave very differently. I would, for the Users above, highly recommend the book "Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism" by Chöyam Trungpa. It's incredibly gentle and inspiring. I would also recommend watching this for it probably says what i mean to say with a lot more intelligence and in less of a convoluted fashion!! http://vimeo.com/13781908 I don't agree with everything said but hopefully this will spark a better debate. Hopefully too, people will read what i've written this time and understand where i'm coming from. I would like to apologise if that certain remark offended anyone, although i do believe, as John Cleese once said regarding the chest-beating and public outcry over "Life Of Brian", "some people need to be offended". And i would kindly like to suggest Siskiyou Brian, that as you jumped in with condemning me as "knowing it all" and having "some serious problems", without knowing anything about me (or seemingly actually reading the whole post, not just a short section of it), that perhaps, like me too in future, it would be better to look before you leap. If one of those "serious problems" you mentioned was due to being a victim would you still be happy with what you wrote? And lastly, i would like to end with a short prayer, again taken form the Dalai Lama book which i most definitely agree with: For as long as space endures, And for as long as living beings remain, Until then may i, too, abide To dispel the misery of the world.
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    I was with you until that joke...poor taste, brother. Ya got your point across without goin' there. The Church, contrary to current popular belief, does NOT have the market cornered on child abuse. If you believe, fine...if you don't fine, also. I DO agree that if you're gonna do something, do it all the way (like work, or a job...anything worth doing, is worth doing right), but trying to live a good life, or at least in the precepts of love, understanding, compassion, etc. is not always easy. Everyday is a learning experience. It's always a work in progress, no matter how you look at it.
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In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.
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I just think that everyone should respect and accept everyone else's opinion and just be kind and gentle with eachother and listen to the Grateful Dead.
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lemme know if you want the new topic started and what you want it called if so...
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could my suggestions be appropriate?....just a little joshing, that's all!!!
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yer scarin' me...
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I'll second Mr. Pid's proposal: "General philosophy...for those who have no use for Religion and don't mind saying so...all points of view are fair game, discussion encouraged, but flaming, hate speech and ad hominem attacks, no." My suggestion for a name is Imagine There's No Heaven.
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means that we accept the concept that there IS one, thus STILL based in Christianity, so personally I vote no to that one for a non-religious philosophy thread. How about: Deep Philosophical Thoughts
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'Life, the Universe and Everything'
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Mark 7:15 "There is nothing that enters a man from outside that can defile him, but the things that come out of him, those are the things that defile him" For example if a guy drinks whiskey and gets sleepy, and another drinks milk and gets mean, which one is sinning?
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for Badger's title! Works for me!
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yeah, i'll go with that too. first post should be why he feels the need to upset people so.........ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!
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I agree because everybody has the right to have any opinion about anything so long as it is kynde and nice.
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badger's gonna go all honeybadger on you one day! :D
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ha ha!!does that mean he "just doesn't give a shit...Cosmic Badger's crazy...he's a bad ass...he just doesn't give a shit"!!!!!!! or does it mean he's going to smother me in sticky nectar and use that long moist tongue of his......
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I think we should be kind and thoughtful and not smother the space set aside for our believing brethren and sistren.
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bland or sulking?!!!!
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Is fine by me. Though we could then just cut to the chase and post "42" and end the discussion right there. I have been staying away from commenting on this thread, as I'm concerned about hijacking it away from its "mission statement" and its intended audience...though it seems the topic seems a bit underutilized lately. I had started working on what was intended as a letter to the editor of my local paper on the subject of government-sponsored prayer, a very hot hot-button issue on the local level these days in my neck of the Bible belt. But the letter turned into a much-too-long essay that I'm guessing wouldn't be accepted as a "guest column." Nearly posted on Facebook, and like the jonaPancake guy here, had second thoughts after I read it over. Still pondering it... Regardless, thanks for all the fish!
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don't you mean ONE fish, singular, gratefaldean? there's enough for 5000 there, surely?........!!!get a loaf of bread off a boy while you're at it! by the way, a spanking new series on the BBC of Douglas Adams' Dirk Gently detective is starting soon. Stephen Mangan is a great actor (all too sadly under-written for since the glorious and must-see Green Wing). and by the way, here would be the perfect place for that letter!! come come deano old bean, reveal all! sounds mighty intriguing to these ears. the words "government sponsored prayer" should NEVER be used in that formation and order, and, if they ever are, a shudder should rattle the spine like an ill-advised stage dive at Black Flag concert. or a Suicidal Tendencies soirée. you're quite right that this topic is "underutilized"; no other fucker seems to post much here, so hijack like a Somali pirate, i say.
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Further thread hijacking-but that TOTALLY excites me! Loved Dirk Gently Holistic Detective sooooooooo much! Thanks for that important info, and will be watching for it
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But then again, maybe we did. Guilty as charged. As for a title, I actually liked "A closer look reveals the human race" because it keeps the Dead lyric topic naming thing going, but it is a bit homo sapiens-centric so I'm good with Brother Badger's suggestion as well. A safe place for us to discuss perspectives on life that aren't deity dependent. Thanks for the props to Mike Edwards as well. At first blush, I liked your title suggestion as well, but there can be no denying that TigerLilly's observation and concerns have merit. As for apologies for past acts of bad faith jonapi, I'm not quite sure I see what the point is. No matter what Mr. Orwell might have suspected, you can't change the past, you can only change the future. I would only hope that those guilty would henceforth moderate their behavior and public posture to at least acknowledge that they and their adherents represent merely one of myriad possible perspectives and proceed accordingly. How is it that they put that thought? Oh yeah. Go, and sin no more.
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> Imagining there's no heaven means that we accept the concept that there IS one Not necessarily, it's easy to imagine a scenario in which heaven was imagined in the first place, but I can see how some people might read the line that way, TigerLilly. I'm not hung up on the name though; I'm a writer, which means I usually get things wrong before I get them right. Plus, it's hard not to like a Douglas Adams line, and especially an inclusive one like Life, the Universe and Everything.
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i'm beginning to doubt my own british humour now! (or else i'm tired, having just learnt of a sad death in the extended family, and have become a victim of my own dry approach to comedy!).i'm not sure what you meant by "past acts of bad faith..." etc., Mr. Pid; were you talking about my comments to CB about "upsetting people"? if so, i was pulling his english leg a little and joking with him!! or am i missing something else? that 5000 thing was because gratefaldean signed off with "thanks for all the fish" so i took a cheap shot and made fun of the feeding of the masses with one fish and a loaf of bread. all of my recent posts have been tongue in cheek and an excuse to be a tad cheeky; a pesky little scamp, nothing more. please don't take anything i say too seriously. i'm usually guilty of being too obtuse; i'm just being a wee prick that's all!! and definitely (or he better be!!), the badger is reveling in maintaining a "bland" stance as a facetious nod to my poor grammar (or grandad!!) in a post i made to his earlier reply!! i got confused and made some schoolboy punctuation-al errors that he's intent on highlighting in a most uncharitable fashion ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!! good on 'im!!! that's what i'd do too ha ha!!!
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where the huskies go and don't you eat that yellowcake. The apology reference was (surprisingly on topic!) regarding your apparent and Mr. Hitchen's clear request that the Roman Catholic Church should set about apologizing everywhere to everyone about everything that they'd gotten wrong all these centuries. Really, what exactly is the point of that? Sorry, but that's baggage that they can't have some airline conveniently lose in transit in some far-flung corner of the world. It seems to me that it would be in their best interests to just stop collecting more items from that particular line of cheap Vuitton luggage. Perhaps I'm also guilty of being somewhat obtuse in my references as well, so continuing with that notion, since you raised the spectre of self-flagellation, I like the approach taken by the monks in The Grail. "Blow to the head or boot in the groin? I'll take the blow to the head, please."
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Is about 1100 words at this point. And most of it is just a schoolboy memory of mine. It may see the light of day, but I need to let it ferment a bit, I think, let it stew while I forget about it and then come back to it with fresh eyes. And read what says -- right now I'm reading what I THINK that I wrote, which I often find is not always the same as what I really did write. And the fish line cracked me up...I was still hanging in Douglas Adams-land, and you, Nakanopi, were actually on-topic.
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I was going to make a suggestion that everyone should have a big group hug and a nice cup of tea, but then I decided not to as it might be taken wrongly as a case of the bland leading the partially slighted. By the way, both Douglas Adams and Christopher Hitchens have published instructions for making a perfect cup of tea.
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you really are sulking aren't you, CB?!!!!! Lama-badgo?...... and love the fact that Mary started a new topic and no one has posted there yet for 2 days!! good work everyone!!
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yes, it was a beautiful blue sky day; the hint of hay in the air across the fields, sweet in the nose. spring entering the soul and radiating warmth. basking more appropriate than questioning, no? we must all think alike after all.....
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investigation into the human condition.connection to suffering. introspection and inward peace. science may learn, interact, join and explore.
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moving, thought provoking film featuring the fantastic Anthony Scher, Eddie Marsan and others. in Auschitz, jewish prisoners put God on trial in absentia for abandoning the Jewish people. the question is if God has broken his covenant with the Jeweish people by allowing the Nazis to commit genocide.
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...the so-called "Deadheads for Obama" have zero criticism of their hero for sending drones to Pakistan to kill "brown skin people" when they were so anxious to attack W, and me for supporting him on the old DNC MB, for his war against Islamofascists... J/K, we all know the answer to that question now don't we?
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let's not bother then, eh?!!!!
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see what I said to Pid in the "what would be the answer" thread. :)
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Please confine your trolling to the relevant topics. This is not one of them. Current events might be. Any further such posts here will be deleted.
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Testing, testing, this is just a test. The last post made on this forum on July 4, 2007?Or, am I being foolish on April Fool's? Post #1 on April 1st...Hmm.
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Just wanted to say thank you. I grew a lot from being here. I'm truly sorry for the bad things I've said in the past, but I hope I made people smle too. You sure made me laugh, thank you. So may God bless Bobby, Phil, Mickey, and Bill and all of you with love and peace. - trailbird brian
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I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I try very hard not to judge others and respect all persons beliefs. That's all, thank you very much Marye and deadnet for the opportunity to express that belief. ...when we make it to the Promised Laaanddd...
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Although Buddhist cultures all over the world celebrate the historical Buddha's milestones in different ways, it is the Tibetans who roll his birth, death and enlightenment into four weeks of celebration in a multifaceted event. On this day the merit from particularly moral acts supposedly increases by a factor of ten million. If you are a believer, as I am, then just tossing a beggar sitting on a city street corner a dollar bill could result in your future rebirth into a particularly wealthy family who would endow you with wealth worth more than $10 million dollars. But, of course, as with most religions, getting rich is not the point. Rather, remembering the historical figure who created massive amounts of good will and good, charitable acts is the real point. As is often said, accomplishing the good of others is providing provision for one's own future life. Shakyamuni Buddha was born over 2500 years ago in Lumbini, Nepal. He grew up a prince in a royal family who married and had a family. Becoming dissatisfied with every material thing and seeing sickness,old age and death convinced him to embark on a spiritual journey that eventually brought him to sit under the Bodhi Tree, unmoving, for seven years by the river Narayan in Bodh Gaya, India until he saw the morning star and became enlightened. He died not far away (relatively) in Kushinigar, India at the age of 82. His last words were: "All component things in the world are changeable. They are not lasting. Work hard to gain your own salvation." Unlike many other religious figures who proclaimed themselves Gods or Sons of God, Shakamuni Buddha simply said for those who were curious it would be best to test his theories and if they worked perhaps they could be put into practice.
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I'm just starting to poke around this forum, not sure how active anyone still is
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Through an unlikely series of events, my sister had a handful of Sunday night tickets to distribute on very short notice. She was pleased to discover that Deadheads really are everywhere. Not knowing how people would respond, she began asking various contacts about their possible interest in tickets, and was surprised at those who immediately replied, "Yes, I will meet you any place at any hour to receive tickets". No one here would be surprised that she would find this response, but she did not who in her range of acquaintances would be those folks. Only on a hunch did she contact her former downstairs neighbor, a person she thought she knew well after many years sharing a building. Or the fellow doing work on her house. Or the friend of our brother, who only found out that our brother was going to the show when did not show up to play guitar with him at church on Sunday morning. Some inquiries and quick calls by the guitar player, just hours before the show, ended up with him learning that, miracle of miracles, Yes, there was one more ticket available. This gets me to thinking that every town in America ought to have an event when Deadheads can come out and get acquainted. I expect that there will be many more Dead nights at pubs and such, but we surely need a way to find each other.
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I love the steal your face with the cross! I am a Catholic deadhead, which seems to stump everyone i know... everyone who isn't a deadhead, that is... i think most people who listen to the music realize that the notes played, pointed onward and outward... towards a bit of the transcendent. Anyways... it's good to see evidence that i'm not alone in loving God and loving the music of the dead:) Seeing the last show in Chicago a few weeks ago brought be back home. Peace and love to you all.