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PiHKAL & TiHKAL I've always been a bigger fan of Uncle Fester. More practical you know.

Ahhhh man, I dunnooooh! I broke my leg yesterday playing golf and now I'm laid up in the house singing along with "Roses" from the fabled Providence show in '74. I'm so fucked up on painkillers that I can't even get into the bottle. Man, it sucks getting old. This is the first time I ever broke a bone in my body and let me tell you it's no fun. So I get time off and get to listen to a lot of tunes and read a lot and that's all good. But I have to take a shower with one foot on the floor. Try that some time, it's real fun. All of my friends come to see me last night. I was laying in my bed and frying. Just saying... Another day in the life!

You're admitting to a golfing injury? A broken leg yet? Oh my! Heal well and quickly, and take advantage of the "down" time as best you can.

And thanks for your well wishes, Mr. Dean. I fell down a newly graded cart path still muddy from the changing seasons. Ironically, this new cart path was meant to replace an old one that leads down a ridge at a 7% grade that even golf carts were sliding sideways on. Go figure. They should have roped the damn thing off! To add insult to injury (Boy, is that an apt expression in this context) when I started yelling to a worker on the course he ignored me until I painfully hobbled over to him. He was looking right at me when I went down like a ton of bricks, claimed he didn't see me or hear me yelling at him. He then gives me a ride in the cart to the clubhouse. When I went in and asked to wash my hands the cashier told me to use the downstairs bathroom, even though there was a sink right behind her! When I asked the greens-keeper for the course to cover the deductible on my health insurance he told me he wasn't giving me any money! Then he wanted to interview me for the accident report. I told him I was in horrible pain and drove myself to the emergency room (an ambulance ride in this sorry berg costs $660). At the emergency room the doctor grilled me three times on the circumstances of my accident, the nurse twice... They finally relented when x-rays showed I had a broken leg. How freaking ridiculous is that?? When I called the golf course and asked to speak to their lawyer they said: "Don't worry, we've already filed a claim with our insurance company and you'll be getting a call from the adjuster soon". Obviously they talked to each other. I feel like somebody beat me up and my foot hurts horribly the last two hours before I can take my pain med again. This really sucks. Yeah, I broke my leg playing golf and I hope nobody else ever has to go through what I just had to go through!

Oh dear, dear, dear... Trouble indeed, so sorry to hear this. Awww 100 things to say but 0 time now. Get some rest, breathe and heal thyself. Gotta go to work but will be back. Calcium and bone nutrients for your diet. Milk, cheese, ice cream and green leafy veggies will help you. (((((((((((((Bones)))))))))))))) )))))))))))))Bones(((((((((((((( (((((((((((((Bones)))))))))))))) Big OX for your boo-boo. Love and Light too! Peace and Joy!

Not fun at all! Incredible how completely unhelpful the staff was -- usually if someone gets hurt on a commercial property they're all over you hoping not to get sued. Idiots! On an almost-related note, I was at a nighttime picnic/party/concert on a golf course once. With no moon in the night sky, the only light coming from the stage, and walking around with and drinking from open bottles of merlot, I tumbled into sandtraps twice that evening...no warning that they were there until I was eating sand. No injuries, thankfully, but the red wine all over my white clothes (long story) made a very scary sight. "Hey, are you ok? Are you bleeding? Are you sure you're ok?" Get well soon...

Oh dear, the merlot all over Chevy Chase's white tux? Those poor golfers in the morning -- if the grounds crew hadn't raked the traps they might have fainted at the sight of all that perfectly good wine dyeing those white grains of sand! (As you can see, med. time has come and gone and I feel fine! Thanks ever'body for your well wishes and care)

fast healing to you! and shame on the golf course folks.

but that's one of the reasons I always walk when I play unless carts are required. There are very few courses where carts actually speed instead of slow the pace of play, but the courses make a lot more off carts then they did with caddies. And not to make light of your misfortune, fluffanutter (or should we call you duffanutter?) I am truly sorry to hear about it. It's going to be quite a while before you can fully load that leg again, but you should at least be able to chip and putt before too long. Maybe a good opportunity to hone your short game if you have ready access to a practice facility. At least try to get something positive out of the situation. In any event I hope you recover quickly. In the meantime, crank the tunes and enjoy!

Just reread the post and see how it might be confusing. The old cart-path (7% grade) was still open. I was walking. I used the freshly cut cart-path without the steep grade, but muddy slope. As I was walking down I slipped and fell. Another irony: I had arthroscopic surgery on my knee last year and used a cart all year. Me knee is much better and I vowed to walk all year this year. Looks like I'm back to the cart again starting in June for the rest of the season. Good advice, though, about the short game. Plenty of room in the backyard to practice with the wedges.

for softspikes, eh? I don't know which I miss more, the "crunch-crunch" sound or the Actual Grip On The Ground you get with metal spikes. I'll gladly put up with the Tiger Tracks on the greens instead, even though I was always very conscientious and know how to tread lightly. Don't let your flatstick get rusty either if you have a practice green nearby. There really is truth to that Show/Dough thing.

marye please delete my account. I have thought about it and I am sure. Product product product product...bah!! Search for "spinning spinning free" topic didn't find the thread I wanted, and after searching back 25 pages and still not finding it...enough is enough. Seems like chat will never be back, and with topics so buried in sales, I have no use for this site anymore. That's too bad, because I had enjoyed it here very much, and "met" some great folks; but I feel like the community spirit is gone, thus so am I. Be well all! Some of you know how to find me elsewhere.

I understand completely your sentiment. Very commercial and very few people around regularly. I think, this being the "official" site of the Grateful Dead, you cannot speak your mind freely. You can, but you can't -- if you know what I mean. Nobody will delete your post but there is a silent seething in the shadows if it is not deemed appropriate. Not that I ever cared a whit 'bout the party line. There is more interesting conversation about the GD on other sites. Whatever, it's all good. If you stick around more people will show up, eventually.

Please reconsider TL..many have felt like you do at times, and then just felt like asses when they come sneaking back ;-) Sure, it ain't like the old days, and a lot of the forums are dead. Even if you post on recipes, great adventures, gardening, pets etc nobody normally picks it up, but I guess most of the socialising happens on facebook these days . It is a shame they let the chatroom die and that the recent posts gets clogged with store updates, but you can filter that stuff. And there are some good times to be had on Blairs blogs where a lot of nice folks gather and the trolls get short shrift. A few old friends have vanished, but I am here, Hal pops in sometimes, Mr Pid and others. You gonna just abandon us? So please don't jump, just step aside for a bit if you need. .

rather than All Recent Posts, it tends to have fewer product-oriented updates, fwiw.

Keep this thread going Mary, please. There aren't enough open space topics and this is one of them. Thank you!

of course if people posted freeform stuff here it would be livelier...but it stays.

just for laughs. what's in a name? you know how the name "jerry garcia" just rolls off your tongue so smoothly, well, what might the future have held for him if his name had been "Shlochty Gibslinger Nowwowweegustemineroffhusen"? Lets say that his musical path stayed the same. Bill Graham presents a night with.............. say what?!! They would have had to add a couple of extra inches to the hand bill for starters. Happy Freaky Friday everybody!!!! :-D ( I'm having a blast scooting around these forums!!!!) God bless us, everyone (tiny tim)

It would be sacrilege to close this thread. FREEFORM is EXACTLY what the dead and the original acid tests were all about!!! It doesn't matter what the subject is, it's just supposed to be light hearted and fun. we need to laugh and laugh at ourselves more often. if there is one thing to be said about the dead community it is definitely that we are creative and freeform. Let's get goofy!!

I was checking back on older posts and saw that fluffanutter broke his leg playing golf. I played golf one time in my life and it was a lot of fun. Me and a buddy each had a "mushroom" sandwich and it took us 5 hours to play 9 holes. Pissed off several golfers when we were playing their ball by accident (didn't take the cussing at us personally because they all looked the same). Thank God for those benches at each hole 'cause we would have looked extra rediculous sitting on the ground laughing all day. That was about 22 years ago and i'm pretty sure we are still not welcome there. Hope this made you smile and that you are feeling better.

like we might have critical mass among the golfers here to start a golf thread...

Are you going to make me post my Bogeyland Blues parody again? I hate repeating myself...

..ahh golf courses. Excellent venues for some fine adventures. And always acccompanied by this fine piece of psychedelic whimsy from Caravan

Pebble Beach would be an awesome site for a 3 night Furthur concert! Camping under the stars and turn the sand traps into big fire pits, yeah! I can see it now: "Come one,come all, Bubba Watson presents a weekend with Furthur". Could even have Bill Murray reprise his role as "Carl" and give an intro for the band. Oh happy day! Can't wait 'til tickets go on sale!

The Sun: Coronal Holes or Worm Holes? “July 26, 2012 was the first day in recorded human history that the sun failed to rise in the morning sky. Instead, what arose is what we now recognize as the event horizon of a worm hole.” 26 July 2012 Dear folks, I think I've discovered worm holes and have sent my thoughts along to the SDO, NASA and others. For a good picture of one to get you started any SDO image will suffice nicely but the AIA 094, 335, 193 is probably the best. I admit going a bit overboard in some parts because, as you might soon imagine, this remains a work in process, so please do carry through to the short proofs at the end. It's really not that long. Now my thoughts on the subject: After studying various images from the Solar Dynamics Observatory over the past few months, I've made the following observations that I've also sent to Dean Pesnell at the SDO, among others. My theory leans heavily on a rudimentary at best understanding of Leonard Susskind's theories on illusory, holographic 3D space, along with a healthy dose of Roddenberry's StarTrek TNG technology!. ------------------------------------------------------- Part I: Coronal Holes or Worm Holes? After studying multiple SDO single, composite and PFSS-enhanced wavelengths over the past few months, I've decided that it's more than obvious that the sun doesn't radiate in anything close to a uniform or constant 360 degree arc of heat or radiance, and that pathways may well exist along those magnetic arcs of lesser intensity that might be safely ridden and navigated, leading into and through what we now call coronal holes, but which are in actuality, worm holes. When we look at our sun, what we're witnessing is the event horizon of a worm hole. I suspect that what we now call solar maximum is, in actuality, the worm hole opening on our side more actively, hence the greater radiation as stuff comes through, while solar minimum is the opposite. It's always open both ways in either cycle though, because a worm hole could never fully open and close as in Star Trek - it must maintain connectivity, hence the coronal holes are the avenues as the worm hole's energy naturally pulses, vibrates or fluctuates like a guitar string. And for you string theorists out there, I highly suspect that these are the strings you’ve been trying to find. Here's one you might recognize: "No one gets any farther (to the father) except through the Sun." Remember that one? A simple instruction that has been morphed over time into something quite different. But perhaps there's more truth hidden in that sentence than we thought. And perhaps it points the way beyond here. Take a look at SDO images like AIA, 211, 193, 171 PFSS and bunches of others, and tell me what you think. With the right vehicle, or possibly even something like the correct mindset, I'll bet you a pint that we could ride those waves of magnetism and light straight through to whatever is on the other side. You can envision getting through with Susskind's theory of illusory holographic 3D space in mind and consider traversing the holes like Odysseus shooting the arrow through the eyelets, yet distance is quite different traversing a two-dimensional plane without depth as we perceive it normally. You might think of the eyelets as you would tabs on file folders: You shoot through the tabs, but all the 3D stuff is folded neatly within. That's the real Odyssey! -------------------------------------------------------------- Part II: How to Traverse a Coronal Worm Hole in A Few Easy Steps (This part gets a little SciFi, so please bear with me!) The problems of crossing large expanses of space have always been speed, distance, fuel, time, etc., but worm hole travel eliminates all of those factors. As I see it, the fundamental factors of concern for GTE light speed are magnetism, polarity and light itself - and stars are the primary source for all those things in this Universe. So to travel across space at or above the speed of light, you try to latch on to things already going that fast by literally aiming for the stars and going through rather around them. And as the Enterprise used inertial dampeners to compensate for inertia, our vessel's hull's magnetism will oscillate using a magnetic resonance polarity compensator - as soon as we invent it – that essentially mitigates Newton's First Law of Thermodynamics using magnetic polarity fluctuation/shifting, as the liquid interior of our ship sits quietly behind its magnetic shield without disturbance from the spinning glass: Kinda like the Earth now sits, apparently at idle speed for some unknown reason, inside its magnetic shield and surrounded by space being constantly buffeted by the solar winds from a "star"?! Kind of a curious predicament, wouldn't you say? But if we did actually need a mechanical ship, its inner hull would essentially be a huge gyroscope for stability, and so the outer hull could freely fluctuate as the ship glides along magnetic arcs, just as a sailing ship points as close into the wind as possible without capsizing - in our case, adjusting polarity instead of sails to fly either with or just off of the solar breeze. Similar technologies already exist at CERN with the LHC, and with the rail guns developed by the military. See below SDO image 30 July 2012: You would be entering the coronal worm hole at the speed of light, carried along a magnetic arc or squeezed through like a baseball pitching machine, and let light and magnetism propel you through, so mass-less, you won't burn up like Icarus. The added bonus is that the MRPC would provide what amounts to a force field requiring no internal power source against radiation and friction itself, as in Newton's water and glass experiment, which then becomes the mechanism for either latching onto or bouncing off light itself. And when you travel at light speed, mass as normally perceived has no mass at all - and this is where Susskind's theories, and Frank Herbert's imagination, take over nicely. Travelling from star to star at worm hole speeds(?) through 2D space(?) would be like folding space: Speed, mass, time, distance, even cold and heat, Einstein's entire universe and things like that, are 3D relative terms that have no real meaning inside a worm hole, or in 2D space, and the only time you would ever actually hit or almost exactly hit light speed is just prior to entering and the split nanosecond after leaving - probably less. So the ultimate goal is to literally aim for, and now through, the stars for the next slingshot to where ever you want to go, and you don't need any fuel because the energy is all around you. It would seem that perhaps that path we've been searching for has literally been lighted all along, while we have concerned ourselves with peering through, and groping through, the darkness. So perhaps it’s time we aimed for the stars instead… Hey, there’s one right there…What do you know? Ninety degrees to starboard sounds good to me! Port is for drinking! At least that's what SDO seems to show me...as I've thought it through so far... ------------------------------------------------------------------- Part III: Stars don't exist, but worm holes do. I'm here to demolish our classical conception of stars as singular entities floating nicely in three-dimensional space. Instead, what you're looking at when you look at a star is the business end of a worm hole, which can itself best be initially considered as you'd see it on a computer screen or paper - as two-dimensional representations on a thin film - a picture - a fiery StarGate, if you will, with exception forces at work. But that star as we perceive it is only three-dimensional because of gravitational forces such as lensing, exerted by and within the worm hole itself, which elongates or distorts what we perceive as spatial and material reality from our participant perspective. So we, who are also caught up in 3D Space due to our proximity, can literally fly 360 degrees around the sun and always perceive it as a round ball because that is the nature of 3D space in the area around a worm hole - we always experience and perceive depth - so 2D space is more akin to viewing this ultra-thin film with no real edge depth at all, as a flat paper held edge on: It's right there, but we just can't see it. This warped space within the influence boundaries of the worm hole may even be the only place where 3D space and Time, in its tic-toc state as we know it, exists at all. As such, our solar system might be envisioned in three dimensions as resembling a cut fiber optics cable with the sun in the center strand and the planets hanging on the ends of, say eight or nine cut fibers, with some frayed to represent the moons, while its two dimensional representation would look something like the original Pong video game, with nine little balls moving horizontally back and forth across this circle we call the sun. I Ching: "It furthers one to have somewhere to go." So again, stars don't exist, but worm holes do. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Part IV: The Proof Comet Lovejoy plunging "into" the sun - with hypervelocity subsequent eruption. There are more occurrences just like this one. Here is the evidence for my theories, which I believe to be correct. The impact and subsequent discharge are too close together for the extreme distances involved for there to be any other explanation http://spaceweather.com/images2011/14sep11/sundiver6.gif?PHPSESSID=60as… There are other comet strikes that show the same thing. ------------------------------------------------ Final Argument: It's long been known that the sun's interior is cooler than its exterior, but no one knew why. The reason is that what we perceive as the sun’s interior is actually a worm hole that dissipates the heat from what we call the corona, but what in truth is the event horizon of the worm hole which we perceive as a star, or the sun. -------------------------------------- In conclusion, if I were to try to describe our predicament (if we are indeed in one) in the most concise terms possible it would be this: We are essentially caught in the middle phases of a Heisenberg compensator operation - both material/spirit or corporeal/noncorporeal - and this thing we call the sun is that compensator. Matter would first be combobulated, then discombobulated (converted to photons) during passage, then recombobulated at the other end as it again enters 3D space. So where are we exactly? That's where the new quantum computer might just come in handy, because we're apparently in all three states (yes, no and maybe), or at least two of them (yes and no) simultaneously and kinda stuck here in limbo because of this curious thing called Time, which may only exist in its tic-toc state here in good ol' 3D Land, where we're sitting all combobulated (figuratively fat, dumb and happy), going around in apparent circles and waiting for the next phase - which may be no more than us finally figuring it out for ourselves. The stars may not have all literally fallen from the sky, but they have been left dangling by rather curious threads. Peace, Byrd P.S. In the Land of the Dark, the veil of the Sun is torn asunder by the Grateful Dead! ...ramble on Rose! C

good one. Thanks Byrd.

that's free form...

Brother Byrd. Most intriguing and (wait for it...) enlightening. Can't help but wonder what Mickey might make of it all, given his dabblings with sonicification. One potential quirk, though. Since you hold that time is a dimension perceptible only in a 3D phase space, what happens to music in a 2D space. No time, no rhythm, no music. I may be antiquated in my thinking, but to me Time has always been the 4th dimension anyway. But I recognize that's a belief, not a fact.

Time, in this solar system we perceive, begins, began and continues from the essentially dimension-less, point-less plane of the event horizon of the worm hole we call the sun and spreads out just like an expanding bubble. And since we here on Earth are also inside of that 3D bubble with our own magnetic force field or shielding, we are like a bubble within a bubble – another 3D layer or distance - that Time must both cross and go through – hence the tic, followed by the toc. The heartbeat of Time as we know it begins at the two-dimensional drumhead of the event horizon, which reverberates through Earth’s magnetic shield like a sonar ping: tic. Passing through Earth’s shield after being warped a bit here and there, it encounters and reverberates through what is possibly the most formidable barrier in existence: our own incredibly thick skulls: toc. The event horizon before us continues its daily bombardment of our planet with the constant tic of the solar wind, but what we hear is the toc. Our atmosphere effectively keeps us one toc behind Universal Worn Hole Time, something like two men facing each other endlessly trading slaps, until you put one of the guys on a box and the slaps, executed along the exact same trajectories as before, become a handshake. I suspect it’s more like a flexible balloon bubble than a fragile soap bubble, because Time expands exponentially from the observer’s perspective, as evidenced by our observation that all galaxies are racing away from each other as knots on a stretched elastic cord. Time, as such, collapses if this bubble breaks; if you leave the bubble somehow or it is just snatched away as it deflates while flying across the room; or if the bubble someday collapses in upon itself while giving us all a giant slam-the-door, this-book-is-history, collective, swift kick from behind! So the clock as we know it strikes zero when crossing through the worm hole – essentially stripped of all matter right down to your Higgs boson designer jeans as you pass first through two dimensions and are finally squeezed through the infamously fabled needle’s eye of one dimension, if you get the point, where even your fancy new jeans are left behind! And where do we end up? Who knows? Another Time completely, depending upon the...star...?! And will there be another big bang as this song ends? Again, who knows, because by then we'll already be well on our way into a new Song, and it's in a different key... I suspect it works something like that… I think I just gave Mickey Hart the two biggest drumheads in the neighborhood to play with! Probably need some tuning though... Wonder what would happen if someone were able to organize and synchronize the biggest drum circle ever to the same harmonic resonance of something like the aurora borealis - a planet drum, so to speak. That might be pretty cool. It's kinda like establishing a handshake with the universal clock... Don't suppose anyone has something like a planet drum laying around anywhere? Maybe even some recording stuff… I pretty much stick to acoustic guitar…. But to answer your primary question, our music absolutely goes with us because this quality called Mind is a really big, often ignored, yet absolutely integral part of this whole equation: It's a Mind over matter thing. :)

I don't know..so maybe I'll open up an old, tattered, dog-eared songbook, allow my cd player to align its laser to the rotating, encoded plane of plastic 90 degrees distant; sit down and strum across these curiously strung and tuned planes of my guitar strings...and think about it for awhile...

This is a lot for anyone to absorb in a few short paragraphs... You might want to kick back and think about it awhile as well... Peace, Byrd

firstly, thank you byrd. the act of reading your doctoral thesis on worm holes seems to have triggered a wonderful flashback that i am currently enjoying on this splendid friday night. secondly, and surely influenced by the first, i have been watching some of the olympics and am reminded of how incredibly dedicated these folks are and the possibilities of what the mind can teach the body to do and vice-versa. God bless the human spirit.......

the grateful dead.......................... absolutely lovin "ollin arageed"

If this thing we call the Sun operates on a strict binary system using only zero and one, and we, with our base ten system continually answer with "two", would the Sun's binary system be capable of recognizing, or even noticing, our reply? It's entirely plausible that this Sun, star or worm hole may not even know we're here. If you think back to the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden we know that initially they had no knowledge of this thing we call evil and everything was either yes or no. But then this snake showed up and introduced a third factor into the program, which you might think of as "maybe", and the two systems were no longer able to talk to each other, something like trying to play a digital cd on a phonograph turntable - just can't seem to make that connection work and can't hear an intelligible sound within all the scratchy, annoying static. So it would appear that one system is in dire need of an upgrade, but the question is: Which one? The quantum computer solution introduces an uncertainty factor that could be problematic for something like running a train system, but entirely useful in something like music where you can throw in a note here and there that you find curious, just to see how it sounds. But in music, even though a particular note may not work in this current song at this particular time, it may well fit nicely when you hit the bridge, or start a new song. "It's not the Sun you're trying to find Something else is on your mind You need a little space in Time to breakaway..." Gerry Rafferty Peace, Byrd

If I were to select a target star, or some other light/energy producing entity other than the sun to link to in this Universe we perceive, it might be a pulsar, which seem to be the ones out there trying to attract the most attention, waving their ion flags back and forth as they do, kinda like a lighthouse beacon...warning of hidden rocks that lurk beneath the waves? Wonder if quasars are any more friendly? Someone once told me that Moses has been known to come riding upon one...spurs a jinglin', and all that kinda stuff... But then Gamma bursts are interesting too. Wonder what really happens when you get caught up in one of those outrageously high-energy beams...Scotty? The other advantage to the gamma choice is that these bursts apparently originate from beyond our Universe and, quite frankly, I don't trust a darn thing in this one. For all we truly know, gamma bursts could originate in worm holes and all we're actually seeing is a ricochet or a reflection. And then there's black holes, which may be nothing more than one-way street worm holes, requiring nothing more than a one-way ticket - which is the only kind I can imagine even considering when the train finally pulls out of this particularly derelict station. Wave that flag, wave it wide and high Summertime's done come and gone, bye, oh my.....! Byrd

Well, what do you know?! I have a nearly pristine, absolutely reasonable facsimile of a Planet Drum right here in my cd files. Who would a'thunk it! Think I'll play it with the doors open - maybe do my own little photon double-slit experiment, but with sound. Just knew those French doors would come in handy someday ..once I adjust the stereo balance correctly...for the time. I’ve never seen a night so long When time goes crawling by The moon just went behind a cloud To hide it's face and cry The silence of a falling star Lights up a purple sky And as I wonder where you are I'm so lonesome I could cry Hank Williams And as I wonder.... Byrd

had a way with words.

Perhaps this might explain the jam we're in: Good song, by the way, and the graphics on this old analog, black and white video give excellent representations of my ideas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnbY089cQlw If you think of optics in two dimensions, something like a contact lens, with due consideration for curved space, reflection- which apparently shows us the exact opposite of whatever stands before it - and refraction which distorts, you might see how Earth could easily be hidden in a blind spot as viewed from the Sun, and as you can see if you count each concave and convex curvature, there's an unbalanced 3 to 4 ratio between the object and the perceiver. Nice place for a problem to hide unnoticed, by everyone except maybe Jimmy Buffett, because apparently, we're all - Livin' and Dyin' in 3/4 Time: ()-------------()---------------((--------------() Sun............Moon.............Earth........Our eyes The moon looks smaller because we're looking both through and into what essentially is a telescope's eyepiece. With our smaller moon in relation to both however, the curvature of the lens is more pronounced than either the Earth's or the sun's. As such, the moon's convex curvature facing Earth might well effectively both block us completely from view from the sun's perspective and, also convex on the side facing the sun, distort the sun's perception of Earth. Remember that all three bodies are two-dimensional convex lenses, so the light we perceive is always in some form of convection, contraction and refraction, while the stuff we never see is either directly reflected or absorbed into the opaque. If you first increase the font sizes relative to the Sun. Moon and Earth, and then draw a few lines through the figures, you should see how that might work. Another way to consider this in two dimensions is to add a third blip to one side of a Pong game which always covers the blip behind it. The light from other blip would never reach the one left behind, who is now little more than a spectator. I don't know if there's a rhythm to this process, but on the quantum level we know that conditions exists where electrons exchange orbits, so I don't see any reason that same principle can't be applied to the macro level I'm working on here. This might explain why we have both solar and lunar eclipses: There may be a quantum shift occurring between the Earth and the Moon that we've somehow failed to notice., so that their orbits through space in unison look like the numeral 8 - which if turned on its side, is also the symbol for infinity. Peace, Byrd So now, marye, I'll join you in saying: To infinity and beyond!

I have no idea what you are on about Byrd, but I greatly appreciate your taste in breakfast preserves. That was always a favourite....somewhere I think I still have the 45.

Letters between myself and SDO have proved absolutely useless. The head of the show there only asks stupid, pointless question such as: Why would we need a worm hole ( to explain what we already think we know)? And this from a PhD - probably from Grenada, with apologies to Grenada. Love, The Pi-eyed Piper

"Marmalade.........I like marmalade" from Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast ..............Atom Heart Mother. Byrd and early Floyd; there's a time warp for ya.

I've come to the conclusion that Hubble, though he was correct in noticing that the Universe appeared to be expanding infinitely, was wrong in using a Big Bang to explain the expansion: Hubble was partly wrong about the Universe's expansion, which has galaxies all racing away from each other. Instead of the entire Universe expanding, what is expanding is the Interplanetary Magnetic Field produced by this worm hole we call the Sun, which acts as a wide-angle gravitational magnifying lens. What we perceive as increasing separation is really nothing more than increased magnification. This is a much simpler explanation for the expansion Hubble observed, but it also means that we may have no idea how far away these galaxies really are until we're someday able to either observe from some point beyond the influence of the Interplanetary Magnetic Field, or grind the proper telescope lens to correct our presently compromised vision. This also means that the Big Bang is no longer necessary because the entire theory depends upon and was built upon the Universe expanding indefinitely such that at some point in Time all galaxies would essentially be alone with nothing but space and darkness in between. Not a pretty picture, but also, thankfully, false. The Wiki link below has an excellent artist's depiction of the IPMF, and also a nice animated display of the interaction of the Earth's magnetic field with that of the sun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_magnetic_field We are looking through at least two of these fields, maybe more if you count the folds and ripples, whenever we view galaxies far, far away...and as the field grows like an evolving wide-angle lens, so is the distortion magnified. So what role does Earth's field play in all this? Perhaps that of a corrective lens which keeps the objects in our vision field in focus while the rest kinda fades off into the background. Works on the micro scale with my glasses and camera, so why not on the macro? So in conclusion, as I see it, my theory does these four basic things: 1. Removes the necessity for thermonuclear reactions inside the sun, or any other star for that matter, to explain the heat and light. 2. Explains why the sun's interior (because it really has no core) is cooler than the exterior as the heat is dissipated by the worm hole. 3. Removes any necessity for a Big Bang. 4. Explains the observed expansion of the Universe in terms not nearly so drastic or pessimistic. Anyway, it's something to think about! Thanks to all who read this stuff...and most especially, thank you, Grateful Dead, for giving me a forum to post it. Peace. Byrd

You know, if the Sun, the stars, the Moon and all of the planets really are just two-dimensional when it comes right down to it, then perhaps Dylan was right all along when he first observed that we may indeed be: Stuck Inside of (this) Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again. Sometimes you just have to look at things with the eyes of a child... Peace to everyone, Clay "Farin' thee well now Let your life proceed by its own designs Nothing to tell now Let the words be yours, I'm done with mine"

Brain Damage? No matter, it's all dark anyway. There are a couple of problems with you model here. First, the Sun, Moon and Earth have vastly different circumfrences, and different distances between them. During a total solar eclipse as seen from Earth, the relatively small Moon appears to be able to briefly but almost completely obscure the vastly larger Sun simply because it is so much closer to us. And that period of totallity does not occur everywhere on Earth simultaneously, simply because the Moon's shadow (specifically the umbra) is much smaller around than the circumfrence of the Earth. If someone was standing on the surface of the Sun observing Earth during one of those eclipses, they might notice the dark dot of the Moon crossing in front of the Earth, but they might not. The Moon is almost as far away from the Sun as the Earth. Of course, they'd first have to solve that whole avoiding being crushed by gravity while being incinerated thing. Jupiter has many more moons than Earth and is readily observable. It seems likely that there would be some sort of solar eclipse happening somewhere there almost constantly, but you don't hear much about them. It would seem a safer sandbox for testing out your "what does an eclipse look like from the other side" posit. Ditto Mars, although it only has two moons to test with. Guess I picked the wrong seven weeks to not have internet access. I'll have to keep that in mind if I ever decide to quit sniffing glue... *mollomed

Hey now, Mr Pid, Perhaps if you had read my entries a bit more carefully before commenting you might not have missed this most important point, and I quote: "If you first increase the font sizes relative to the Sun,. Moon and Earth, and then draw a few lines through the figures, you should see how that might work." The key word here being "relative" which accounts for the different radius of each body. The other thing you really have to do is to consider everything in two rather than three dimensions: Three-dimension based objections don't really work against two-dimension based models, or mobiles, as the case may be. Byrd

"Truckin', we're all goin' home...whoa, whoa, baby, back where we belong..."

Fred Rogers had his his 15th posthumous birthday with many well-wishers. This series produced at least 10 episodes a year for 25 years and a few more with less than that. It showed how to keep it real and distinguish it from make-believe. It also dealt with neighbors, diversity, conflict and other subjects. It is still shown on many PBS stations though it has dropped from PBS syndication. ~ Would, you be, my neighbor! ~

Peace. Byrd

...and get back Truckin' on.......................