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    marye
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    Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!

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  • hackster
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    what if?
    what if... the 2-party system was soon-to-be the downfall of this country? http://www.strike-the-root.com/vote.html =================== moc.swencigolyzzuf.www ===================
  • Hal R
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    I agree with the above. But the deeper issue is our dependence on oil and ethanol is not the answer. And the deeper issue than even this is our perceived need for automobiles. (yes, I too am part of this) We drove around the country touring and contributing to what? The dark side? Kind of mind boggling. The yin and the yang of the road. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
  • reedchris
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    My thoughts exactly
    I'm with you Daisy.
  • DaisyDeadhead
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    To me, there is no choice.
    To me, there is no choice. One party is about war, and their candidate proudly says we "could be in Iraq for 100 years".... this is with YOUR MONEY AND MINE. We MUST stop this horrible carnage. Vote peace, vote Obama!
  • Easywind54
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    Still waiting for a direct reply from Obama...
    Nice post Mr. Pid. Thank you. I respect your views, and even agree with many of them, which is why I support Mr. Obama. The article raises some alarming concerns for me personally. I understand if you do not share the same feelings, or have reconciled them. I have not. I do not expect Mr. Obama to visit the grateful dead fourm and reply, although that sure would impress me if he did =) Some days ago, I went to the official Obama web site, and submitted the article, voiced my concerns and hope Mr. Obama would reply in some official capacity directly to the article. I have no idea if he will respond, at least at this point, since he is attempting to obtain the nomination from his party. Once the actual campaign for President begins, hopefully articles like this will come more to the surface by the press, and an official response may come. I believe, and hope, his reply to such an article would make me feel better enough to move on, and remove this question mark for me. Until then, it will remain just that, a question mark I would prefer an official response from Mr. Obama on. Many here have likely not seen this article, which is the only reason I posted it. If like you, others here have reconciled the issues it presents, I respect that, but I hope we can agree the fact I need more of a direct response from Mr. Obama does not make me stubborn, or narrow minded. The article makes me very uncomfortable, and I would prefer to hear a direct reply to it from the man we may elect as President of the United States. Peace -EW
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    well said
    Mr. P.
  • Mr. Pid
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    EW, I do understand and appreciate your concerns. Thank you for having the decency to air them for the enlightenment of all. I, too, was very concerned by the obvious racism exhibited in Ms. Glick's article but chose not to make an issue out of it. But since you brought it up, I would like to offer this personal observation: Those who paint with a broad brush would be best served to mind the spatter. Casting individuals as being "anti-Israel" or "pro-Arab" or holding that they are "appeasing jihadists and dumping Israel" merely because they are prepared to engage in dialogue and diplomacy in hope of negotiating peaceful resolutions to disputes tells us more about the author than it does about the subject of her work. Please don't misunderstand my perspective here. I am not "anti-Israel." But I'm not anti-Palestine either. I believe that Israel could greatly enhance it's security by doing everything in it's power to assist in helping the Palestinians create a robust, economically viable and sustainable State. People with full bellies and fat wallets don't strap bombs to themselves. My father has been a life long conservative. Many years ago when he was living in New York City, he was actively involved in something truly unusual, the successful campaign and election of a Republican congressman from a Manhattan district. He has since moved to California, and in the recent primary, for the first time in his life cast a vote for a Democrat running for any office. It wasn't for Mrs. Clinton. As near as I can tell, the success of Mr. Obama's campaign so for defies traditional demographic boundaries. I think that is a reflection of a significant weight of the American electorate that chooses to move beyond seeing demographically defined attributes such as race, gender, religious affiliation or sexual orientation as valid political issues. Perhaps I'm overly optimistic, but I would like to believe that we are finally approaching a society where the character of any individual is defined and assessed solely by the actions of that individual, and that people will be seen for who they are, rather than what they are. As far as getting an official response from the Obama campaign to appear on this venue, I would love to believe that the political mainstream was prepared to take this community seriously enough to do so. One can only hope. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
  • Easywind54
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    Still waiting for Obama to respond to Ms. Glicks article...
    Mr. PId, The importance of the article authored by Ms. Glick, revolves around the question of racism. You dismiss the article for the reasons you mention below, but entirely miss the question of character it calls to question. I suggest you re-read Ms. Glicks article as if it was written by an American author. Perhaps that will help you understand the important points it is raising. -EW "Mr Pid wrote: While US foreign policy is certainly a relevant and germane issue, it is NOT the most ordinate one. The election of a US President is about what's best for the US, not what's best for Israel."
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    I'M PARALYZED FROM MY NECK DOWN BUT MY BRAIN WORKS FINE I WILL VOTE 4 MCCAIN CLINTON DID NOTHING 4 ME SO ONLY SMART CHOICE
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    I dug everything you just posted, couldn't said it better myself. + a very interesting picture ( in both sense of the word)
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Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!
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I'm being sarcastic, if he gets elected & we end up with his choice of VP......can't stand it........Can't stand how the vast majority (let's hope not) of America are stupid enough to go for it.........hope for the best!!! xoxox Gypsy Cowgirl
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ps-If I had to move to Canada (relatives up there) I'd be too far away from the grandkids........HOPE 4 THE BEST VOTE VOTE VOTEGC
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Gypsy did you see the pic, that's the first thing that came to my mind was AAAA AAAA where's my nitro. Look at his hand, it looks weird like long nails and creepy. Like that old bald vampire in old dracula movies. HMMM maybe he's a vampire, yes that's it he's a vampire and thats why he 's been around so long. An he sank his teeth in Palin and now she'll live forever. I know what it is you have to be a blood sucker to get along in DC.
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Hey GoGD-didn't see it.......great........xoxo GC
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tried to google it to no avail......what section is it in?
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I witnessed a ture patriot tonight, at 6:15 CMT on msnbc. He asked real questions, of both sides of this decision. He was factual, pointed and wanted a straight answer to a straight question. he pressed for it, he didn't take just an answer, he wanted an answer to the question that was asked. He did this at great peril to his "safety net". He persisted and asked the questions to get answers for all of us. Before the thought of "he must be democrat!", actually he was a lifelong republican, can't tell that about his show, because he is a true journalist and is consumed by the truth and the quest thereof.Don't let the truth off the hook, that was the message. It was real. It was powerful. It was such a search for the truth, for all of our behalf's that I believe I saw a true patriot. Who was this? Search this one out. Peace,pk
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It should come up as: Stars and Stripes, sure your familiar with it. download the paper, click mideast or european edition the only dif is the weather. 21 Oct page 8. I'll keep trying to copy it. PK- was it Hunter S. Thompson? I'm just guessing man.
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GOGD - I haven't been able to find it. In what section is it?? PKPOTTER - who is it you're speaking of? I can't imagine it's Olberman (although I LOVE his commentary, it's pretty apparent he's a Dem - so that'd rule him out).... I do like MSNBC, but find myself watching CNN mostly. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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Pappy try the site i posted above go to e-paper the last 7 days. BUT I was finally able to capture it I posted it in Fan Photos. It should show up within the next 24. I tried posting on this forum but couldn't do it. Just hope it will get posted, it's funny so we'll see. Hope it get's alot of feedback.
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It was Chris Matthews........I know,Iknow... He did all of us a grate service. Both spokespersons for each of the candidates on, he asked very relevant questions of both candidates, very even, watched for response....did they answer the questions, or not...did the other party think, the heats on them I'm fine...he observed all of that and came right back to each guest...both guest's. he asked them again, and again.. he pressed both sides until the bs dropped and the truth shown. He has pushed the envelope for this election, to our benefit. pushing harder as he is getting more and more heat. how many of us would keep pushing,after being reprimanded,keep pushing,because you thinks it's right. He is doing that and it is a noble cause and it needs to be witnessed. And in these times of the news recount of the daily events,this should be noticed. just an observation, that I believe shows a true patriot. there are many true patriots here at deadnet as well. many names come to mind. Oroboros,HalR, pappy,good ol gd, and others. These are minds that make you think,hard..and thinking is really good. Just an opinion ,one of many, from an observer of many views. peace,pk
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Nice to be included in such lofty company! Chris Matthews is great. Tim Russert was great, too (RIP)....anyone who can bring out the truth - the REAL truth and not some bs story someone is trying to turn into truth - is wonderful in my eyes. Peace! ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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Yes, lofty company it surely is. Grate patriots seeking the truth and discussing the issues in a universal sense. Something to be proud of as a member of this community. And I am proud and grateful.peace,pk
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I have to post this somewhere as I almost bust a gut, laughing....although it's pretty sad. Knucklehead of the Year Award Here's what she wanted you to believe: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/23/woman-claims-attack-lin… Here's what really happened: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/24/police-woman-lied-about… I can see her now - at her bathroom mirror with the butterknife....oy. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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I saw a great man todaya man with hope a man with ideas a man with dignity a man with strengh a man with courage a man with vision a man with compassion a man with grace a man with presence a man with heart a man with soul and a man with the love of the common man I saw a great man today His name is Barack Obama And I was proud to see him
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Ask not what your country can do for youbut what can you do for your country a mission statement to guide a country. John F. Kennedy A patriot of the highest order. inspired by a friend and visionary in our midst.
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and their future. I voted (early) yesterday. Here in Nebraska, one of the VERY Red states and I cast my vote for Barak Obama. We may not win Nebraska, but the state is slated (according to the news) to have a 72% turnout! That is as it should be. Speak and be heard! That is what the founding fathers envisioned in this grand experiment of America. Get out and vote. And vote your conscience. For our future. And as Hubert Humphrey said "The measure of our society is how well we care for the poor, the disadvantaged, the children, the elderly, those who are least able to care for themselves". This is a great opportunity to reach for justice in our culture. We may all have different beliefs, truths, faiths, and experiences, but we have more in common that we have in differences. And this is our chance to make a difference, to have your voice heard, to affect our future, our children's future. Wasn't it Gandhi that said "Be the change that you want to see in the world"? Peace to all my brothers and sisters (including those who believe different truths than I). We can get there from here, whatever happens. But the boat ain't going to move, if we don't all get our oars in the water. Take care. A West African proverb: " You see the hut, yet you ask where shall I go for shelter?"
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Another american hero? Yes. He's a "Brit" aka "a wonderful friend" Has all of our best interests at heart he cares about this country and speaks out for it Yes, He's a "Brit" Thank you John
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John Cleese on msnbc, speaking words of wisdom.The post above by Oroboros, speaking words of wisdom. And soon the one who guides this wonderful country, will speak words of wisdom That is hope That is all of our dreams Let it Be, Let it Be
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I would vote for you, could I be secretary of music? A new, but needed position. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Here's to a better tomorrow!!! "you can't go back and you can't stand still, and if the thunder don't get you then the lightning will" The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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I know that domestic issues will be uppermost in the minds of voters. That's quite understandable, but US voters find themselves in a unique position. The choice you make will affect the lives of everyone on the planet and maybe even the health of the planet itself. So when you make your choices, please think about which of the two possible regimes might best balance the inevitable pursuit of self interest with the need for a peaceful, sustainable and just world.
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I'll be voting for the first time in years on Tuesday. Gonna stand this country on it's ears! No more trillion dollar debt, no more killing, no more hate, no more racism and bigots, no Palin fem-nazis, no more world Domination and greed. No more getting or stealing our energy from other countries. This is the Greatest country on Earth. We are also the richest and no American should be without healthcare, food or homeless. The Republican's say they are Christians... but kill in the name of GOD. I thought the Ten Commandments said "Thou Shalt Not Kill"? Where is the small print that says, thou shalt not kill unless? We say we are a Nation under God. But live one way on Sunday and completely different on Monday. Money rules Everything in this country. Yet the Bible says it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into Heaven. Somebody is telling us twisted lies! Too much Hate in this world. If I had my way we would have another 1960's uprising and THIS TIME.... Get it RIGHT! Love can Change the World! I'll not stand for another single day living on a planet filled with greed and hate and fear. If that's the way the people in this world want to live then I'm Ready to leave this Godforsaken place and go be with all our loved ones who have passed to the next level. There must be people with love and compassion in their hearts somewhere in this Universe. I don't expect Everyone to see things the same, but wouldn't it be nice if we could all get along and take care of each other? Hate breeds hate. We reap what we sow. If this world has lost the warmth in their hearts to want Peace and Love... Then I Pray for Jesus to come take me HOME! I know voting for Obama won't solve all our problems, but it's a step in the Right direction. And if he truly is the anti-Christ then you'll know it soon after he rises up after being mortally wounded. If that's the case, then see ya! I'm outta here! Until then... Can't we at least TRY one more time to reunite this country and bring back it's Goodness that was for so many years the envy of all the children in all countries to come live here where the statue of Liberty say's; "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of you teamming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Or is that just for show and has no Real heartfelt meaning? I'm sick of the lies, greed and hate. So go vote and PRAY we get it Right this time! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals!
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probably this post was copied and pasted from an email the dude was sending... I'd guess that. peace.
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it's a democratalist...uh......republicrat.........er,capitalcrat?.............oh my
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i'm still tryin' ta figure out when words like conservative and liberal became so insulting
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Jm-who cares when they became so insulting because look what has happened the last 8 yrs-insulting to all of us-any kind of Americans....xoxoo Gypsy Cowgirl
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I've been waiting for tomorrow for a long, long, long, long time. Go big "O". Peace! New ones coming as the old ones go Everything's moving here, but much too slow now
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I care, because we are all americans.......even the two fools running for office....this goes alot farther back then the "current" bush administration. the divisive nature bugs me because we are all entitled to have differing opinions, we are guaranteed that by the constitution which, i must add, i have sworn an oath to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. i hope whoever takes home the cake tomorrow remembers that single vital document because it defines us all as a country and it gives us rights AND responsibilities that we too often take for granted, others dream of, and blood was spilled to secure........now....about that cookie
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Someone recently made mention of the fact that most Christians are Republicans. I have found that to be true, to a degree...maybe it's more vice versa. Funny though, not the killing part, but the fact that some of Senator Obama's views are being considered "socialist" by the Republicans....sorry, isn't it part of Christianity to "help thy brother?" And didn't a WHOLE bunch of Republicans (including their presidential nominee) recently vote in a bailout for Wall Street? What's more socialist than THAT?A little socialism never hurt anyone....it's not like Obama wants the US Government to control everything....such a silly attempt at creating a "buzzword". For those still "on the fence"....I'll just let you in on a few things that happened to me here in the swing-state of Pennsylvania within the past 24 hours. I received 3 mailers and 4 phone calls from the McCain campaign and 5 phone calls (no mailers) from the Obama campaign. The calls & mailers (some of which are downright hilarious, yet sad) from the McCain campaign were ALL attacks on Barack Obama. EVERY one of the 5 calls from the Obama campaign were asking me to volunteer to get people to vote. Quick note on the McCain mailers...the first was one reminding me that Obama said Western Pennsylvanians were clinging to guns & religion. The second mailer asked if I really thought Obama was a Christian, or a Muslim and warned me that a vote for Obama would mean a 500% increase in guns & ammo tax. Er....uh...what do you think I am? A gun-toting religious freak? Hahahaaaaaa......I had to laugh...really. The phone calls were robocall surveys. When I would answer that I was voting for Obama, the machine started spewing "facts" that Obama's first legislation would be in favor of partial-birth abortions. Right. Not on an energy bill, or anything like that - he's gonna go right for that. Another wonderful "fact" was that he would make states like Pennsylvania recognize gay marriages from Cali & Mass and I wouldn't want that, would I? I answered "That wouldn't bother me in the least." Fear....oooooooohhh, the multi-cultural boogeyman is coming! ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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buy your beer today!! and of course VOTE TOMORROW!!
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tc....in washington state i can buy beer anytime.....but thankfully i received 32 beers yesterday as a birthday gift. strange quantity, i know............
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it is not necessary to be religious, or a nut to own firearms. ya don't hafta be a republican, or a democrat,or even have any political affiliations. ya don't hafta have short hair, or long hair. or wear a tie, or tie-dye, wing-tips or sneakers, birkenstocks or western boots or any shoes at all. you don't even hafta like other peoples music. over 75 million americans legally own firearms. i am one of those americans, as are many deadheads-believe it or not!!. it's one or the rights that i spoke of that people take for granted.....of course you don't have too either. you don't even have to LIKE them, but i firmly believe that it is one of our checks and balances and a right that we should not lose.....i would prefer to not have prices go up any farther..........now to all of you who disagree with me.....that's another of your rights....just please don't hate me or insult me or think badly of me, i love you all-we are brothers and sisters.....jeez, even PIG sang of a shotgun fulla rock salt. nw......c'mon......lets all have a cookie and a beer.......please??oh......and i'm not voting for sen. mccain either.........ok beer and cookies ,ok? puhlease???
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7706572.stm I got 9/10. would have gotten 10/10, but went straight to the sad grampa answer, didn't read the question carefully asking which one was NOT mentioned; but I didn't see the SNL show,just sound bites from it, the only bit I saw was the sad grampa. might have gotten that one wrong anyways. the other day my old lady mentioned something she read about Obama's aunt, I wouldn't have known that one otherwise. Totally guessed on the after voting thing for McCain and got it right. I was thinking along other lines (go home and _ _ _ _ ) which wasn't a choice in that 'poll' "uhhh, huh huh huh. he said 'poll'" - Butthead voice. peace.
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You got to "score" with your "poll."Heh heh. Heh heh. Heh heh heh... Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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I'm withya all the way, brother. It's anyone's right to bear arms....just try not to arm any bears, they're already dangerous enough, as it is. My point was simply that McCain's team was trying to say, "Look what he's calling you!" Then, they go ahead and basically make the same remark. Stoooopid. Anyhooo - I've already voted and now, we wait. What a glorious, historic day. Sunny & approaching 70 in the 'Burgh!!! ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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In line at 5:25 am, I cast my ballot in 5 minutes: good grief there were a lot of judges to retain. I didn't realize there were 5 folks running for president. Finally, we can look forward to car commercials again. As far as cookies and beer: I'll pass on the cookies, but an India Pale Ale is in the near future: Hercules, 90 day IPA, Racer 5, Flying Dog???
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how's a-boot a jelly doughnut and some Molson ey! I own firearms too, guess I'm just a Freedom fighter or maybe freedom rider. choclate chip cookies go great with beer but maybe not as good as bear claw. nummy
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i don't much care for canadian beer, tastes too much like bud(weiser), but i'll keep one on ice!!i drove past my polling place just after mass...like 0815......line around the block!! figured, ok, have breakfast and go back....people will be at work....0930....line has DOUBLED!! it's great to see americans taking advantage of their rights!! HEY, HEY, USA!!! i got some dead loaded on my phone.....and it has a speaker....that should thin the line out....or i can sneak in while everyone's twirlin'!! heehee!!
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How bout a Guiness my friend, or your choice I'll buy. Got a question ever thought of this I'm a federal gov employee but pay federal income tax to which military pay is derived from. so I'm paying my own paycheck, hmmm. And I go walking out chooba, chooba
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I took my 18 year old twin daughters, 1st time voters to the polls today! We walked right in ,no line here, til they srcewed up the machine...leave to my twins heehee..we left a nice line behind us though! Hey I didn't get a cookie or a beer for voting :( Change Rocks!!
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the tax thing is sumpin i realized right after i re-enlisted the first time...and now as a retiree it REALLY hits home....carap! usta tell my chief that i was paying my own paycheck.....so i must be self employed.....so i was goin' home early......(he did'nt see things that way for some strange reason). hey bro...i was gonna keep that molson on ice for YOU!! if yer deployed from ft. lewis i'll meetcha on the ramp when the plane lands!!.......mistah cholly tol' me so!!
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all voting together. hit the store mom....tell 'em put it on johnman's tab!! heehee
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when I went to vote too. Took about an hour, well worth it... I'd venture to say people who have never voted in this nabe are out in droves.
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Yea wish I could just go home early. No man not outta Lewis from Leonard Wood, MO.But hopefully there is going to be a tour this spring and summer and I plan to go where ever, use my combat pay to jetset to where the wind don't blow so strange. May just be up your way. Well I guess it's time to see who's winning this thing. Get to watch some TV tonight yippee.
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i'll take of those flying dogs, johnman thats a grate idea for moving a line along, and marye, i know you are right about that... time for change!