WHAT'S INSIDE:
Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
Artwork by Dave Van Patten
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500
“Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke
They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.
Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”
IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”
Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.
Ordered. Thank you to Love…
Ordered. Thank you to Love My Girl for the coupon details as every penny counts for such an expensive item. Cheers!
International Shipping of $70 = Ouch
It would be good to know what the package looks like to justify the postage, and really why can't Rhino/Dead.net get together with NYA and JMA to give a sensible European Option please????????
At the moment $249 seems too much - shame the trailer sounds fab
Especialy when Dylan's UK tickets go on sale tomorrow - oh well better to be spoilt for choice than have none at all...
Perhaps I shouldn't have gone for the 24lp set after all. In retrospect I think I would prefer the MSG set.
Tony S.
I was guessing this box would be maybe 200 clams, but it was $179. I will get one on the first of August. I'm pretty sure if Tony soprano was around, I could get a few box sets from the back of his Chevy Tahoe for half price. This is a good day for releases.
Anti inflammatory
Thank you LMG 10% is quite nice nowadays. Really looking forward to this. I did the 82 & 83 tours so I made 4 of the 6. They could do the same for a number of venues those years
Europe shipping
70 dollars. Seriously? Otherwise would buy this but 70 for shipping is ridigilous.
Morokolli and international shipping
You're right, but in the end, using the coupon, is like paying an extra 3$ dollars for every CD and this is bearable, I guess. Carpe diem.
Wow MCGRUPP Indeed
Good Catch, No Dew or Wharf Rat either that didn’t strike me as much because a I saw a couple Estimated Profits. That’s why I hope this is only Vol 1, like Spring 1990. Still a lot more MSG shows from 1979, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1993, & 1994. But this is going to be Great! Finally we are getting a slew of ‘baby’ versions of the the In the Dark songs. I remember touting these ‘New’ songs to uninitiated back in 1984-1985.
Estimated Profits
Freudian slip, autocorrect error, clever comment, wrong word choice or spelling error? Awesome comment in any case!! I'm looking forward to more early 80's too!!!
Whooops yes indeed
Prophets. Morning coffee working indeed now. Ha ha good catch!
International Shipping - Garden Box Set
Maybe the US$70 charge is an intended ploy to limit international demand for this box set.
Estimated Profits
I get more excited about this one each day. I think 12,500 is about right volume wise - down from some of the recent 70s era box sets i'm I'm remembering correctly. And alas, the ravages of inflation have sunk their callous claws into our corner of the world now too.
If Tony Soprano was in charge Dave would be shooting videos from the back of a pasta joint in lower Manhattan. Same sunglasses, but the line cook would be banging saucepans around and Dave would be pointing at sepia colored portraits of roadies past and sitting in front of a big plate of steaming rigatoni.
Fun With Math
Hmmm... $70 to ship something approximately 4960 miles (the rough distance from center of US to center of Europe). That appears to work out to about 1.4 cents per mile for shipping, or if you prefer to calculate it in dollars that is $0.014 per mile. Not sure if I would really consider that expensive, more like a testament to efficiency. And don't forget, for you concerned about the climate, generally speaking, the faster you ship something, the higher the carbon output. So there's that.
Fun with math.
The international shipping charge for the Dave's Picks 2022 subscription was $15.99. For that they ship 4 small packages.
The international shipping charge for the Listen to the river box was also $15.99.
The international shipping charge for this box is $70.00. That is 4.378x higher than either of the above mentioned items.
The International shipping charge for the Lyceum 24 LP box was $98 for an item weighing 28lbs. I imagine this Garden box weighs considerably less than that yet shipping is 70.4% of the that $98 charge. Both the Lyceum and Garden boxes are currently pre-orders.
All orders show standard international shipping.
Draw your own conclusions.
No, not more math
I dig some digging to back up my unsubstantiated claims:
2018 - Pac NW - 19 cd / $190 = $10 per disc - 15,000 units
2019 - Giants - 14 cd + 2 dvd/ $150 = $9.38 per disc - 10,000 units
2020 - June 76 - 15 cd / $150 = $10 per disc - 12,000 units
2021 - St Louis - 20 cd / $200 = $10 per disc - 13,000 units
2022 - MSG - 17 cd / $180 = $10.59 per disc - 12,500 units
So not really a drop in units compared to previous years, other than Stl.
Pricing was consistent in previous years excluding the Giants box, which came with 2 dvds and had two different price points for Blu Ray vs std. But other than that we were at $10 per disc vs $10.59 this year, which is a 5.9% price increase. But of course this doesn't factor in empty space on any discs. Ok, i'll stop.
Great box set
This is a great box set, what a great time to be following the Dead. They were playing so many great venues still, Greek, Frost, Warfield Theatre, Ventura, Oakland Auditorium. Fun times!
SDN - has it been that long since PNW was released?
Seems like yesterday I was playing that Bird Song from PNW to my daughter telling her I had a new favorite of that beloved song...
My spreadsheet tracks price per show as well as per disc ;)
Happy Friday!
Multiple Vols MSG
Funny, the there’s a Wharf Rat and Eyes in the September ‘79 MSG run.. but otherwise re: additional volumes for more MSG shows, that would be neat. Also, that’s a lot of volumes!
Hah, that said,
9/18/87 and 9/10/91 are in 30 trips
9/16/90 is Dick’s 9
9/18-9/20/90 are featured in Sept. 90 Road Trips
2 songs from 10/14/94 are on Ready or Not
and 1 song from 10/18/94 is on Long Strange Trip
Still, I’ll take 6 more scattered from the other years, with pleasure!
Conclusions
Based on the math, Grateful Dead Box sets are a bargain, and some folks Europe are paying less per unit distance for shipping than some folks in the U.S.
If this ships from Carlsbad, CA like the Dave's Picks seem to be, then I will be paying about 1.21 cents per mile of shipping distance, and someone in Amsterdam will pay about 1.25 cents per mile. Someone in Berlin will pay about 1.20 cents per mile of shipping distance while someone living in Las Vegas will be paying about 4.79 cents per mile of shipping distance. If my math is right. The folks living closer to Carlsbad, CA will be paying quite a higher price per unit distance and folks on the east coast of the U.S. will be getting a bargain on the per unit distance cost. Shipping costs have gone up recently, as has the cost of just about everything except releases from the Grateful Dead, but considering the distances and time frames involved, we are living in a golden age, and it appears that as a function of distance, international shipping costs are pretty much in line with domestic shipping costs as a function of distance. Which is not the same as saying it doesn't suck to have to pay an extra $70 to get the product.
Looking forward to Slow Dog's updated calculations taking into account the impact of blank disc space on the box set costs, for a per minute or per second of music price valuation.
Did someone mention MSG September 1979?!?!
Dear Dave,
Please release a companion mini box matrix of the three night September 79 MSG run. Now that would be just exactly perfect. Brent's first MSG New York City shows: Veni, Vidi, Vici!
Hear that motorcycle on stage roar!
Shipping costs
Maybe that’s why they are offering digital downloads.
$70 to Europe is pretty ridiculous. Blame Covid, Putin’s fuel price hike, supply chain issues, etc., etc., ….
Hopefully that $70 gets international customers a quick delivery.
I Dig the Artwork
Yes on the Artwork, especially the Birdman, the smoking rat and the snakes. It has a Peter Max vibe.
Ha! Reminds me of my one night in NYC, (so far)… I turned a corner and there was a guy dressed up, acting out and he had feathered wings. Yes! NYC thank you!
International Shipping
I wonder why the (19) CDs in the last years River Box were all Made In Germany, sent to the US and returned to Europe for only $15,99 compared to $70 for 17 CDs this year.
It tells me, shipping costs can't be based on shipping distance only.
What's the secret behind the enormous increase in costs?
Cheers G.
The secret...
The secret behind the enormous increase in shipping costs and indeed almost everything recently is pure and simple greed. In these turbulent times it is all too easy to blame anything and everything on bat flu pandemics, Ukrainian wars and any number of other global disruptions but these unfortunate events are widely used as excuses for making a fast buck. That old supply and demand argument is also false and used as an excuse for greed. It doesn't follow that if there is more demand for an object then it has to cost more. The reality is that the more demand there is for an item, the more one is able to charge for it and make more profit from it. Unfortunately greed is an unsavoury aspect of human nature that, with the passage of time, is becoming ever more prevalent and consumers are the victims.
Rant over. 🤯
it's no secret
greed is destroying this planet. Rorer, oh Rorer indeed.
What Simon Said
Yeah I’ve been feeling like that increasingly: that fucking greed heads have increasingly used all the excuses to both price gouge AND take forever to do ANYTHING.
International shipping
I seem to remember another (box set?) release many years ago that was announced with a ridiculous shipping charge. That was in the days where Mary E. could intervene on your behalf (or so it seemed), and sure enough, after a slew of protests, the shipping was reduced to a more manageable level. Mary, where are you?
New Lemony Fresh Delivery Fee
Just my two cents.
I will admit, the $70 delivery fee is what is best called a “rapport breaker”. I’m a two hour drive from the border by Buffalo myself, yet I’m going to pay $70 delivery fee??? No. Not a chance. It is reckless, and almost disrespectful to the effort put in to earning that money. If I get anything, it will be the single show, but through Amazon, but right now, I am not too keen on giving Rhino another dime.
I suspect the next Dave’s subscription will have a similar boost in costs - I get a reasonable upswing, with 8-9% inflation, unfathomable fuel prices, etc, but then there is the matter of never letting a good crisis going to waste, and taking advantage of your fan base. If it has a similar “necessary” upswing in pricing, then adios, then me and my amigo Chris Hillman here, are no longer buying from Dead.net/Rhino.
Oro is right too (sage man of wisdom that he so often is!) - so much of the pandemic etc has been used as an excuse to justify really inefficient delivery times, and abysmal service. It is almost surreal to have your dog’s Vet tell you wait times are slow due to Covid. WTF!?
In other news, the late great drummer Tony Williams (Miles; McLaughlin) has a reissue coming out that was originally only released in 500 copies, called Play or Die. I’m intrigued by this one. It features Patrick O’Hearn, a New Age artist who previously played with Zappa, and an unknown keyboardist. Garbage or gold? Not sure. He had some real hit or Miss solo material, but was an incredible jazz drummer, starting at age 17 (think about that) with Miles!
Lots of tears
There’s an awful lot of whining and bad energy in this comment thread. The shipping is the shipping. Everything is out of control expensive now a days. If the 70 bucks is a deal breaker than you have the digital option, or frankly keep it movin.. sheesh
Thank You
Thank you to all the delivery people who have stopped by 5 times a week to bring me stuff while others were getting free money. Thank you servers and wait staff who come to work every day and making it possible to enjoy a meal out. As for greed heads I don't like them either but blaming the guys in the brown trucks well they are the men and women who have supplied us for 2 years. Oh yeah again thank you Dave and all the people who give me an almost endless supply of great stuff. All in all my experience has been every day people doing just fine. The political class on the other hand need to be replaced en masse
A possible international shipping cost savings trick
OK, I have read a few comments about the high cost of international shipping, especially if you live in Canada.
Trust is the polite magical word here.
If you live in Metro Vancouver, B.C., area, this may work. Hook up online with an American or at least a Head who lives in the Metro Seattle Washington area. Sweet talk them into buying a copy of this box, agree to pay them in US Dollars add taxes and shipping costs (to them) for the total amount. Now negotiate with them gas money that will take them to Peace Arch Park. Set up a date and time when you can "deliver."
At Peach Arch, I'd suggest that the shipping box has been opened and the cellophane has been opened too. Just in case the Border Services Agency officer stops the Canadian citizen and asks what were you doing in the park with that American and what was that person just gave you.
Possible inspection. "Geez, officer, I'm just borrowing this recording for a while."
There will be an exchange of money in cash US Dollars between the buyer and seller.
This scenario could be played out elsewhere along the Canada-United States border where there are no obstructions and far less traffic of people, motor vehicles, and especially US Customs and Border Protection and Canadian Border Services Personnel keeping an "eye" on things - if you know where to go.
It's all about trust.
Artwork
Hadn't thought of it as a Peter Max vibe on the artwork, but I can see it. I have fond memories of a childhood sleeping bag in the early '70s with a Peter Max design.
As a fan of drums-space sequences, particularly the segue from space to whatever came next, I am looking forward to adding this box to the collection. I know you can't judge a show by the set list, but these shows look to have some cool set lists.
Complicated
I think it's a bit more complicated and nuanced than meets the surface.. But greed seems to be oozing through the complexity. Shipping aside, you have to give dead.net a little credit for not letting the price per CD spiral upwards, would that be the yin or the yang?
Anyway, some heady thoughts here. Be wary of greed at the time when most of the world is suffering, understanding it's not always as simple you think from a cursory glance. Hopefully we can get through this without hating one another and without this ridiculous Russian instigated war getting any worse.
Spacebetween and international shipping
Now that you put it that way…🙂. I quess I am using the coupon. How ever I dont like the idea of paying bigger shipping cost than they really are.
I wonder what happened to wonderful Marye? She was earlier taking care of all problems here. Hope she is fine.
Box Sets in general
This DOES look like a nice set -- and the Dead were playing well in 81/82/83. The 81 sets in particular look like a very nice reminder of when we were luckily to have them visit the UK twice in 81 :) . That said -- I've only just listened to every note of the Europe 72 trunk, I still have bits of the 90s box sets and also Pacific North West to dig into, and am just starting to revisit early Dick's Picks -- and for sure it is easy to understand why those were the "first" releases from the vault (DP 2 - Dark Star -- my oh my!). So likely won't order the box set (I shudder to think of Custom Charges and VAT on top of everything and the shipping charge). The single release will suit just fine. I'm now 70, and I reckonI would have to listen to 2 + hrs of Dead to get through what I've got - lol!
Just another person…
Just another person complaining about the international shipping charges.I order a lot of stuff from overseas and $70 is complete extortion compared to what other businesses are currently charging.
This price marks the end of me buying box sets from Dead.net and I’m just glad I got the St Louis set before this outrage.
Worrying.
International shipping for the Dave's Picks 2022 subscription cost $15.99. For that they send 3/4 CD sets 4 times.
The international shipping charge for the forthcoming Madison Square Garden, New York, NY 3/9/81 3CD set is $15.99, the same as for a whole year's worth of Dave's Picks.
This could mean that international shipping for the Dave's Picks 2023 may be 4x $15.99 = $64. This, if it happens, would be a most unwelcome development.
Dave's Picks are not available as downloads.
Sheesh.
Not that it justifies…
But maybe the difference is that Dave’s are usually smart post, and boxes are UPS?
Now that still doesn’t explain the big difference between MSG and last years St Louis box?
Highway robbery if you ask me....
....I feel for all you overseas heads. $70 is fucked up.
seems like there's a mistake . . .
. . . on the $70
hopefully it gets fixed soon.
450% Increase
The international shipping price represents a 450% increase in 12 months.Either the carrier is trying to scam Dead.net in which case they should find another carrier or Dead.net is trying to scam the fans in which case they should be ashamed.These prices in no way reflect what any other retailers are charging.
They should fix it but I have no faith they will.Looks like they’re happy to lose most of their international customers.
Simonrob, shipping
Just ordered 69 Daves, a la carte since I am no longer subscribing, international shipping, $15.99.
That is what they charged last time for this years whole subscription, so perhaps you are correct.
$70 for this new box is f*cked, especially when we in Europe are forced to consider all VAT/import duties (at least 25%)/sundry opaque shippers fees, charged on the WHOLE transaction, ie price of box and shipping fees, not to mention the radically worsened exchange rate.....Oh, did I mention I wont be buying it?
On the other hand perhaps the box will actually arrive in a timely fashion? or at least arrive at all...
Future of the Deadnet market in Europe
I don't know the exact purpose of Deadnet/Rhino's commercial policy, but what I do know is that they do nothing to maintain their market. In fact, from all the information I was able to gather, many customers decided to stop buying anything from Deadnet. For me, because of the delirious price of transport and the laxity concerning the wording of the invoices according to the country , boxes are now becoming unaffordable.
When I decided to buy the 71 box, at checkout, the price of transport had suddenly exploded ... result? it was not for me whereas until now I had all the concerts released since the beginning of Deadnet. I regret it.
Around me and in many European countries I was not the only one to proceed like this.
What does Deadnet/Rhino want...maybe after all they no longer want to maintain their turnover but surely try to sell less while maintaining the same profit !!!
Of all the purchases that I have been able to and continue to make in the 4 corners of the world, I have never met sellers so radical in their ways of proceeding.
Although I'm sure I won't get a response:
Please Deadnet/Rhino can you clarify exactly what your purpose is? In this way, and in your forum, you will no longer receive messages of dissatisfaction from your new old customers.
How sad ...!
However, I remain optimistic about your awareness. I would like not to dream too much...
Jean Pierre