One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.
First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.
Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.
B'Day Box
Jerry Garcia
08/01/73- Roosevelt Stadium - Jersey City, NJ
Bob Weir
10/16/81- Club Melk Weg - Amsterdam, Netherlands
Phil Lesh
03/15/69- Hilton Hotel - San Francisco, CA
Mickey Hart
09/11/81- Greek Theater, University Of California - Berkeley, CA
Bill Krutzman
05/07/89- Frost Amphitheater, Stanford University - Palo Alto, CA
Pig Pen
09/08/87- Providence Civic Center - Providence, RI
Donn Jean
08/22/68- Fillmore West - San Francisco, CA
Vince Welnick
02/21/91- Oakland Coliseum Arena - Oakland, CA
Keith
07/19/87- Autzen Stadium (University Of Oregon) - Eugene, OR
Bruce Hornsby
11/23/73- County Coliseum - El Paso, TX
Brent Mydland
10/21/88- Reunion Arena - Dallas, TX
Tom
03/19/73- Nassau Coliseum - Uniondale, NY
Edit: 2/21/71 was changed to 2/21/91
Birthday Box
2/21/91
3/15/69
5/7/70
7/19/89
8/1/82
8/22/72
9/8/91
9/11/90
10/21/73
Re: 4Winds
Nice topic today.
I think 2/21/71 came out with the Workingman's Dead 50th release.. or I would have gobbled that up in a New York minute. What a great show.. so glad to see it finally get out.
3/15/69. / Big rattlesnake
Looks like everybody picks 3/15/69, hopefully they will release it someday. I just got back from a hike up by Stevens Creek Dam and saw a huge rattlesnake, first one I've seen this year.
And You Know that Notion
Somebody quoted the “trouble ahead, trouble behind” lyric and I had a mini flashback.
Once I was tripping with a guy I’ll call the Big A. The Big A could be a pain in the ass, but he was reliable trips partner, because he was big and ugly, so nobody ever messed with him, and he was kind of unflappable. If you suddenly had to deal with the landlord or a cop or something, he could always somehow pull his shit together and act normal. On the other hand, he was one of self-taught pseudo-intellects who would often ramble on about Nietzsche when he was high, but I could usually just tune him out when I had to.
Anyway, this particular time we were tripping, sitting on the porch of his house gazing out over the uncut grass and this big oak tree, whiling the afternoon away, and he puts on Workingman’s, and launches into a dissertation about the lyric.
“There’s trouble ahead, and there’s trouble behind,” he said, “but that’s only a notion, and it just crossed his mind. It didn’t linger there and fuck him up, ya know?”
And then he went on to explain Lao Tzu said much the same thing blah blah blah. But you know what? In that moment I thought it was the most profound lyric ever written.
Got my DaP 42 yestiddy, got the DaP 1 vinyl today. Haven’t made it all the way through either yet (so much music, so little time) but they both seem pretty damn great.
Trouble with you is the trouble with me. Be well.
DP - song order
Why in the world can't Dave's Picks release a concert on CD with the tracks in the order they were played? He's Gone would have fit on disc 2. I understand that Dave wants to preserve the ">"s but it's ridiculous to elevate that concern ahead of the song order (especially when it involves moving an ENCORE to the middle of the concert for f's sake). And the transition here between He's Gone and Trucking was not that special or seamless-- there's actually a rather clear seam.
(Someone is going to reply that they just save all the tracks on their computer and rearrange them to the concert order--but if we all wanted to do that we wouldn't need to buy these CDs).
The show choices are great. But can you please start giving us the shows as they were performed?
THANKS!
Ok we is here
The eagle has landed and Vguy72 and I are imbiding in liquid refreshments before the show starts...wheeeeeeeee...
Mission was a success....
....thanks Nappy.
And I climbed onstage and snagged a setlist. Its what I do.
See you down the road good sir 🍻
I hear you J3ff
I didn't realize what was going on until the He's Gone fade out. I had already transferred the music to my music player, so imagine my surprise when the next song was not He's Gone. I was running around looking for the box to see what order everything was in and I was checking out website setlists. My girlfriend thought I was an idiot running looking for that CD Box. Tell you what I did. I switched the playing order on my iPod. You follow me, I renumbered the song titles themselves, so they now play in the proper set list order. Worth a try.
Rattlesnake blues
They do seem to keep to the correct running order on vinyl, for better or worse. 5/19/74 has several sides with only a couple of songs on - in fact both "Peggy O" and "US Blues" each have a side to themselves.
Billy - that would merit a photograph, in my books, seeing a rattlesnake. Providing you didn't have to get too close.
I'm positive about the negative...
An old Three Stooges gag. But I have to state that each time I post here, dead dot net sends me an email that reads:
"That Grateful Dead item is going fast ... better get it before someone else does."
Anyone else getting these? I love this band, I enjoy this forum, but that grabby grabby message sickens me. First, if you visit, you get a sales email. Second, it plays on greed -- theirs to sell, yours to have something at someone else's expense. Third, because while someone thinks they're being slick with the latest online sales gimmick, they're actually disgusting a longtime customer.
I hope someone reads this who can return decency to this operation by scrubbing that grubby little automated trick.
And now, back to Vguy's and Nappyrags' hangovers............
dead.net marketing, nappy cat
Yes, I get those come buy more of our swag emails too, mildly irritating, agreed. It's not going to happen, am in the "get rid of all this clutter" and downsize phase, make room for more music. If I set spam filters, then important announcements might be missed, like the surprise release of the 60s box we all know will be coming soon after us older folk, the prime target audience, lose the rest of our hearing. Vguy, too late to warn you, if Nappy showed up with a cat, not to lick it. No other oral-feline inferences implied. Finally made it all the way through 42 plus bonus disc. Tempted to make audio quality comment, however to be real, will spin it all again as others still getting their hands on this. The obvious, a few warts in terms of vocal drop outs or missed lines, not the recordings fault and a few tuning issues because after long jams stuff happens when strings are bent. Nice and loose at home base, easy to savor 74 era material. Excellent overall and most enjoyable.
Vguy & Nappy
How was the show? Need details if memory will serve.
UPS won the race. DaP1 vinyl was a day early. DaP42 still in my mailbox and was a day late. Big day in the works.
Song order: I'm with you fellas. I'd rather have it in order. Some do that with a fade-out/fade-in. And on the vinyl it appears they could have made it on one less whole LP. Can't they fit at least 25 min. a side without cramping the grooves? Dylan's early albums always gave you your money's worth fitting 55+ minutes on two sides. (Edit: Did the math and they had to have that many sides, at least on DaP1, to keep it in order.)
And HF is so right! Don't always get the annoying, "Hey you didn't buy anything!", and it seems to go in batches, but it is too much like Wayfair or anyone else giving you the hard sell.
Cheers and good listening to ya!
You climbed onstage? Truly?
Glad it wasnt a Smith/Rock/Chapelle incident.
Or did you have to tackle a roadie to get said setlist?
50 years ago today...
I was in a cold muddy field at Bickershaw listening to the Grateful Dead playing a seemingly endless show. I have just listened to the Europe ‘72: Bickershaw Festival Deadcast which brought back so many memories of a cold, wet and muddy weekend with some of the best music I have ever heard. Maybe surprisingly, people's recollections of that weekend in the Deadcast correspond with my own memories of the event. I guess everybody who was there will never forget. Such events are burnt into one's memory.
You go, simonrob!
Perhaps our only regular correspondent who attended a Euro '72 show?
Ah, the joys of a long night two-stepping in the mud as the rain pours down and the band rocks on.
At my first GD show in fall '72, it did not rain. But I was a month past my 15th b-day, so when the band showed no sign of stopping after 2-3 hours and the crowd is bopping hard, I did wonder what the hell everyone was on. Well, I found out soon enough...
But I can easily recall many nights standing in the rain for a show -- the Byrds spring '72 in a field near Woodstock, the afternoon set by The Band at Watkins Glen, epic downpours at Red Rocks with the GD and, separately, the ABB. At the ABB, a friend shows up as planned as the show begins and I'm ready to leave. He drags my ass to the bar, buys me a large Jameson and I use it to wash down a hit of morphine sulphate and VOILA! I'm back "in the mood" for the show. That was the show where the roadies built an impromptu hut of wood and plastic for Gregg, with little windows cut out for line-of-sight to the other players. Meanwhile, the audience is 10,000 drowned rats -- but totally rocking drowned rats. That's the gamble at the Rocks. Thank the gods I missed the early June show with Neil Young when it snowed. Somehow I never tire of hearing THAT story...
To avoid annoying sales messages from dead dot net I have unsubscribed. I subscribe to the Picks, so no worries there. And I'll just keep checking in to catch the box announcement. Gotta think June should bring news.
42 in da his house
2/22/74: (bonus disc) starts out a little ruff, but by Loose Lucy things have entrained and the sound is dialed in.
Not sure I’ve ever heard a bouncy Roses. Ruff but fun! Playin is what you’d expect, beauty eh! Has a nice short but clear and concise Slipknot reference too! Can’t recall the Ship off hand (alcohol and listening at night sometimes will do that) but I’m sure it was fine like the rest of it. I’m not familiar with the show, but wonder why he didn’t use some of the more extended stuff? Probably not enough time using using those “first” versions etc.
Certainly great music but will have to listen more, not sure it stands with some of the previous Bonus discs which can sometimes be as good or better than the release itself. But that’s just being more a critic than a fan, and the fan is glad to have it and will enjoy it for hopefully a long time. I do distinctly remember wanting to keep going, a good sign, and get into 2/23, but I know how much I prefer to do virgin listen in the morning, when I’m somewhat fresh, with coffee and a nice light morning buzz, but before the weed takes over the conversation. So that’s what’s happening next, woohoo!
Ok,it’s go time buttercup!
PS, happy happy joy joy to Mr Bill
Bickershaw - unhealth and safety
Fascinating watching the little footage there is of this festival on youtube etc. Good, if short, interview with Jerry on site. Very little of the band playing unfortunately. The site looks medieval. I think I have commented on it before-but those people jumping off a high diving board into what looks like quite a small tub of water intrigue me. Especially after it has been set on fire. The things you could do before health and safety! Not that I'd have been queuing up to have go.
Rain and Red Rocks
1979 was my first journey from the Bay Area to see the Dead at Red Rocks. I had heard so much good stuff about the Rocks, I just had to check it out. Just my luck, it was rained on the first night and they moved the next two shows to McNichols Arena. Was I bummed!
But nitecat....
That first night, 8-12-79, was extremely hot and worth the trip, no? Check the tapes...
Okay, if you traveled, ending up inside the Big Mac would be a comedown. But they opened night 2 with the hottest Shakedown ever, there's a Candyman, and and and... oh well.
As Bobby said at the beginning of the second show, "You'll be glad to know that it's raining like hell outside right now," and believe me, it was indoors or nothing that night.
Having blabbered, however, I can easily recall that I have no memory of the third night, but supposedly they played great! Here's a clue, folks: don't do big doses two nights running. You'll turn into a rabid Deadhead with no hope of recovering your good sense. Oh, wait....
Is Jeff Smith in the House?
As soon as you get the art work please send it my way. Gracious thanks in advance
Drp
holy flaming tar pits
Spent some time with the second set of Bickershaw show this afternoon and never realized how much the Dark Star echoes the Live Dead version. I've always heard it more as a prelude to the blooming catastrophe that is this show's The Other One, but it stands on it's own even if not of the same stature as the legendary versions of Wembley, Tivoli, Paris, Düsseldorf and Rotterdam. And for our newest release, this morning on a drive I was able to give the Bonus disc a listen. Upbeat versions of IMHBTR always appeal to me more. The embedded Slipknot jam did not disappoint! I'll be giving THAT another spin tonight. Along with the HC Sunshine, over and over and over.....
Had to chime in
Happy Birthday Bill, and thanks so much. To have a drummer be the leader of such a great band is awesome to all of us wanna be drummers.
Yuck Yuck
And happy 50th Simon, spinning Bick 3rd time this spring. Love it. They showed how much strength they had in this show, super troopers indeed!
G
Edit: And if you have never heard1989-05-07, you should at least listen to the second set. Phil brought back the intro to The Other One. This is the first show with real development with midi. Second show overall if memory serves. And the drum space leading into it is very nice.
Big Bickershaw Fan
One of the highlights of the tour.. but there were so many!
A few years back by now, VGuy brought this up here and refocused me on that show. So many high points.. perhaps the best Lovelight of the tour, into a strong GDTRFB. Dark and the Other One are excellent and of course the only time they both were performed on the same night this tour. It's a classic.
Rainy RR
8-12-79 at Red Rocks was my first Brent show. He blew us away. Not a rainout. Most excellent. Was so let down that the rain had the next two nights at the sonically challenged McNichol's. But we still got our Nobody's Jam. But likewise my first attempt at seeing a three night run was somewhat disappointing. The weather is always a crap shoot in CO. My track record for the Telluride Bluegrass Festival confirms that.
Happy Mother's Day. Everyone call your mother!
Cheers
Hendrixfreak
Like Simonrob, I attended Euro 72.
Several shows in fact, Second Wembley show, Bickershaw, and 3 Lyceum, but which 3 I can no longer remember.
I was actually also onboard as a very young whippersnapper, for their previous visit at Newcastle Under Lyme.
After that just 2 of the 3 AllyPally ( where I was very disappointed, thinking that the band had changed for the worst-though I actually liked Seastones!!?!!)
And then, that was that.
Hendrix and Dead Sales
Bad enough to get endless messages about things running out, or sign up now to keep up with dead news. EXCEPT, when you're already signed up and my fav ad's for things you've already bought!!
hammacher schlemmer ask me once a week about buying that teak wood shower bench,,,,, that I bought 2 years ago!
And don't EVER look at an item on amazon,,, same thing.
It's always funny, but a little annoying.
Bonus artwork soon
Hey Drpryan, Looks like my Dave's was delivered to my post office box yesterday (Saturday). I hope to get into town tomorrow to snag it, and will make a scan of the Bonus CD available as soon as I can. Looking forward to spinning this one! Onward.
Dogon and stuff
Thanks for posting again. I forgot about the discussion we had last fall (?) about the older heads in our midst. Forgot about your shows, in particular, the Newcastle-Under-Lyme (Hollywood Festival/Lower Finney Green). Congrats on Bickershaw as well.
Was in my kitchen fixin another pot of coffee when I heard a thud out front. Forgot 42 was tracking to be delvered today. Go outside and see DaP1V box with x2 on it. Thought well post office will have to make a second trip today to deliver 42. Opened it up and both 42 and DaP1V were in the same day. Made my day for sure. DaP1V looks incredible. And for me, it is the first vinyl I have bought in 36 years, wow. Not sure I will open or not. Not sure if I will pull out one of the 2 turntables I have over years. Blue Crow, I am a with you there a bit. I am not a horder, I don't save every mustard bottle I buy. I do hang onto things I consider valuable, hence the turntable, as a collector. It does mean some clutter around here but not bad at all.
G
Edit: Both came in the same box...duh failed proofreading.
Gary and DaP 1 vinyl
Got mine yesterday.
I opened mine just to look at the etching on the 10th side.
I was happy to see they didn't use the cd cover and just blow it up to fit an album. (like dp19(?) they blew up the cover and it looks a little pixelated. But this cover is crisp and clear.
I like how the side of box has number 1 at the top and large. Gives hope all of the Dave's will make vinyl someday.
Have you seen the prices for this on ebay!!!! Quick scan 300 to 600 hundred!
Oi Vey
Road trip tomorrow
Daves 42!!!
While going through my collection, I found a happy surprise
Complete shows of 2/13/70 and 2/14/70 (at least complete recordings)
I obviously forgot I had that. Dont know how, but I did.
Road trip
Daves 42
5 8 77
6 10 73
Steppin' Out
5 28 77
:)))
Holy Moly, dogon
Five effin' E 72 shows! I bow to you... The Lyceum shows must have been plush and epic, especially after the mudfest at Bickershaw. After Watkins Glen, I swore off standing in the mud in the rain, despite having the best rock bands ever in front of me. At least at Red Rocks you're standing on concrete or wood and each row has a kind of drainage channel under the overhanging wood seats. Still, at that ABB show I referenced, the day went from sunny and 80 degrees to pouring freezing rain at about 40 degrees. I've upped my game since then with a full daypack of gear, just in case...
What I Iike about Bickershaw, apart from the music itself, is that it sounds like an outdoor show at high volume. Something about their style of playing seems slightly different than theater shows. Akin to, if quite different from, some of the summer '73 shows or Golden Gate Park '75 or Englishtown '77 in that the band is playing louder and may be more spread out on the stage -- not sure how to describe the sonic qualities that I think I hear (or project).
In any case, dogon, I think the band rose to the occasion of the E 72 tour as they had gelled again after Keith joined and probably felt they wanted to be at their best musically for a Euro audience, not to mention getting a record out the journey. Kinda weird how, between the fall '72 release of what was then an epic 3-LP pkg, all of two hours long (!) and 2011, 40 years later, when they put out 73 CDs of the entire tour, more than 30x the amount of music. Two friends and I took 2 1/2 years to go through that steamer trunk, just a little over a month between shows. That really allowed us to dig in. (Too bad I didn't take notes...) We had a no-talking rule while the music played and took breaks when the band did. If someone erupted verbally at some amazing riff, as happened often, the other two guys would shoot daggers with their eyes and during set breaks we babbled like crazy men.
Downright amazing we have that music. In fact, I recently thought maybe I should stop buying GD shows and listen to what I've got. That conversation in my head was fairly comprehensive and convincing, ending with ... NOT! As has been stated by many before me, I need just one more show.....
My 72 shows
Well, it certainly helped that I lived and worked in London at the time. If I had already moved to Sweden it might have been zero!
( I live in Skåne, so might have been able to make it over to Copenhagen I suppose!).
I had first heard about the Dead while on a school trip to Denmark in a review of Monterey, got intrigued by the name, got home and bought the first album on day of UK release. Funnily enough it took me time to get Anthem, but when I GOT it, there was no looking back, I liked plenty of SF bands as well and bought in to the whole Beat/Digger alternative scene big time. Of course, living so far away I projected a lot of my own anarchic hopes and desires on the band.
But for me the Dead were not just another band, so it was a no brainer to see them as much as I could, but if Wembley hadnt been the Skullf*ck that it was, I probably wouldnt have chased down tickets for Lyceum ( 2 quid a pop, up from one pound for Wembley!).
Bickershaw was more an afterthought, a bunch of mates were going, and I tagged along, I mean the Dead AND Don van Vliet!
By the time the wall of sound rolled around a lot of the magic had rubbed off, in my opinion the new songs didnt carry the same profound weight of the Workingmans or American Beauty songs, could never stand US Blues or Loose Lucy for example. I found the sound brittle in a way, perhaps even joyless?
I spent the next few years with diminishing returns, dabbled a bit with the Paisley Underground, till I realised that no rock band could ever rival the magnificence of the Dead in their pomp- so I started to listen to jazz instead! And didnt really give the boys another thought till one and two from the Vault. Then I began catching up with their post hiatus iteration, but sorry, for me I have found nothing of interest after Keith left,
Bickershaw is my favorite E72 show....
....yup. I said it.
Took two edibles and went and saw the Doctor Strange movie last night. Highly recommended. Would do again.
Trippy shit.
Bob Weir and Billy Strings did it!!....
.... They did the thing! Help On The Way. Look it up.
😁
Mountains of the Moon
The Dead only played this gem 11 times. I thought it would have been cool if they would have brought it back for the acoustic Warfield shows in 1980. If you haven't seen the video of Garcia playing it on Playboy after Dark, check it out on You Tube, it's priceless.
So after a couple of days of…
So after a couple of days of extreme thrills in Vegas I hit the wall yesterday...as I was leaving the hotel yesterday morning headed for home about 8:30 AM my car coughed and stalled in the parking lot...my check engine light came and warnings about various things...shit...I decided to drive it to a Vegas Subaru dealership which of course was busy as all get out on a Saturday morning...after about a four hour wait I was told that the electronic gas pedal needed replacing, cost about $600...but the kicker was the part wouldn't be in till Monday, maybe Tuesday...no good...I wanted to see about having it towed as I have a premium AAA membership...With a total of 256 miles from Vegas to Flagstaff my AAA membership covered a free 100 miles...the other 156 miles would be out of pocket and cost would be @ $10 a mile over $1,500...screw that...I called Robyn and told her I was going to chance it and drive it to Flagstaff....which I did without breaking down...she met me in Flagstaff as I got there about 6:00 PM, we did a bit of grocery shopping and after 12 hours of my initial departure time I got home...crap...oh well...see what this repair sets us back tomorrow....
Mind Blown
Hat's off to all you folks that caught some of the E72 shows.
@nappyrags
DAMN what a sad story indeed. Try owning a 2004 Pontiac GTO just about every repair is at least $600.00 & every time I drive by a gas station it gets homesick. But it is the 82nd one built & it has the ultra rare deer installed sunroof. I do have a SYF plate up front I guarantee it's the only GTO equipped with a SYF plate.
Deer-installed sunroof?
Hmmmmm. . . I had a sunroof once. Think it must have been installed by chimps – every time it rained, the sunroof leaked. . . so I moved to west Texas.
Jeff and the leaky sunroof
Leaky sunroof caused move to west Texas!!!
High price to pay for the roof not to leak,,,, I'd have traded the car:-)
PS - I'm in Dallas, we have rain, sunroof leaks! 2017 Buick (yes Buick, I'm old)
Ur the Best
I also has a leaky sunroof but remained in Florida. I just had a beach towel handy
E72
I too genuflect to all those who attended any shows on the Europe 72 tour. This year marks my 40th anniversary of seeing the band for the first time. I can proudly (more like sadly) admit that I missed the good stuff.
And yes, I had to look up the difference between a pound and a quid.