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Great stuff, but am noticing my set-up (MacBook pro with external drive) cannot find the last three tracks from disk 2 One More saturday nite, Lazy Lightening >Supplication). Anyone else having these issues. Thanks

Could also mean "Radio City Music Hall."

Oh that Bolo!

Lose my DaP’s try to sell me tea.....

How about a seaside chat apologizing for the constant screw ups by Rhino/Deadnet and a commitment to making things just exactly perfect.

It would be nice, but it probably would open a can of legal issues.

Now, a thread to vent about the shipping blues, crinkled booklets, finicky discs, und so weiter would be a good gesture on their part

We could title it "Brontos in action"

It would go a long way if such a statement could be released, I am sure. It would also be better, in my eyes, if such a statement was to be made, that it could come from Marye rather than Dave. She has always seems genuine to me, and has always given me the impression that she makes a real attempt to be helpful. And usually is. Dave seems too keen on blowing his own trumpet.

Thanks to BTK for posting details of the KPFA Grateful Dead Marathon. Have been listening for the last couple of hours - great stuff.

Not a fan of dave at all.

I'd never leave the house

Trumpet blowing and everthing else

Thou shalt not diss Dave
And Dave shalt not be dissed

Blow that trumpet, boyo!

Agreed

5 23 82 so far

Earlier today on my own
10/6/80
No sleepiness on that show

10/2/80 post-drums :)))

Ordered the Dave's Picks the day it was released...Got an order #, said it was shipped, Waited, Waited, Waited,,,Contacted Dead.net again , letting them Know I never received my CD, Got a email back 3 -4 days later asking me to RESEND my order # and Contact Info., By that time...SOLD OUT !...Great going Folks,...Also, there is NO WAY to call to talk to a Human Being about a problem like in the Past...Guess you people don't want to Communicate with your ''Valued'' Customers Huh ?...SAD, I've been a Subscriber since DAY ONE !...Ordering Dick's Pick's / Road Trips AND Dave's Pick's...But it looks like You've turned your backs on us old time subscribers....I Messaged a Complaint last week, But it looks like you removed my Complaint...Remember CENSORSHIP is a Bad Thing...And for the People at Dead.net to do this is EVEN WORSE !..ADIOS AMIGOS / AMIGAS....

....Disney+ has The Muppets seasons 4 & 5. I haven't seen these since release (80-81). Cue the flashback memories. I have the first 3 seasons on DVD and have watched them over and over, but then they stopped putting them out in 2008.
Gonzo is my spirit animal.
All good things in all good time.
That hopefully applies to your situation as well Tom_Tom.

50 years ago today…………..

February 21, 1971
Capitol Theater, Port Chester, New York

Set 1: Cold Rain And Snow-Me And Bobby McGee-Loser-Easy Wind-Playing In The Band-Bertha-Me And My Uncle-Ripple-Next Time You See Me-Sugar Magnolia-Greatest Story Ever Told-Johnny B. Goode

Set 2: China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Bird Song-Cumberland Blues-King Bee-Beat It On Down The Line-Wharf Rat-Truckin'-Casey Jones-Good Lovin'>drums>Good Lovin'-Uncle John's Band

Yes, the Dead were masters of the “big jam”, but if you need a “big jam” in order to enjoy a show, then just move along now, there’s nothing to hear here…………….

Short, wonderful, concise stoner Americana songs, played with conviction, ease, and gusto. What one of my students----who didn’t like it----called it “too honky tonk”. LOL!!!

Absolutely positively worth a listen!!

Doc
We’re not looking ahead to anything but Bakersfield

Alright alright alright, some of my favorites are in 1971 and with our beloved gratefully friend & brother of the Grateful Dead forum, my friend the Doc! Long time ago, going back many years ago, I was blessed with a beautiful gift of some of his favorite 71 performances And I loved & still to this day , I’ll sit back and dig some 71’ from my collection thanks to my friend , Doc. Peace be with you Doc and everyone else here.

Love '71. I always thought The Dead was more felt than heard. It's really all about the feelings and emotions in the music for me. For ME!!!

Ever since the Ripple false start the boys have been fantastic.

So in addition to 1) 3+ months with no DaP36, and 2) almost nonexistent response from customer service and 3) getting multiple dead.net emails about "That GD item may sell out fast!" with picture of the already (3+ wks) sold out DaP37...

TODAY I get an e-mail from AMAZON saying "We found something you might like!" and a picture of DaP36 for sale on Amazon USED for $82!!! (insert GIF of me banging my f-ing head against a wall). Probably the copy that was supposed to be mine but GD sent to someone else....

But it's kinda funny that Amazon is reaching out to me proactively about helping me get me my DaP36 one way or another.... AT LEAST THEY'RE BEING PROACTIVE about it, unlike dead.net who for 3 months ignored multiple direct questions about something for which they I plunked down my hard earned cash after them BEGGING me to buy it.

Once again with feeling: Hey dead.net: DON'T BEG US TO BUY SH__ IF WE'RE THEN GONNA HAVE TO BEG YOU FOR MONTHS, WITH LITTLE IF ANY RESPONSE, TO GET IT TO US! Get you're f^%$g house in order, THEN AND ONLY THEN hump our legs with all your e-mails and social media and almanacs telling us what you're selling next! Kapish?

An absolute debacle, and on such a (IMHO) great release, too. I may be covering ground you have tread already, so apologies if I am, but have you reached out to the magical Marye? When I had an absolute nightmare with a previous release (one of many), she solved the issue. She certainly does her best to help, and I’m hoping she can do the same for you. Because I agree, stop pedalling all these trinkets and tea, get delivery of the music product done correctly and quickly, and when a bomb goes off like this, make it right!
Good luck, amigo!

The Music Never Stopped
Drama we came across on prime. Not ABOUT the Dead per say, but their music features prominently in it.
Interesting look at how music can help with brain damage etc...and generational differences...
Some might find it a bit sappy, by I enjoyed it. Might be a nice watch with kids/adolescents?

A decent movie. My understanding is that it is loosely based on a true story by Oliver Sacks. He wrote a series of essays documenting neurological medical conditions. In this particular case, a patient suffering from a debilitating brain tumor showed signs of improvement when taken to Grateful Dead concerts. Evidently he kept asking his caretaker, “Where’s Pigpen?”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Welnick?wprov=sfla1
....The Music Never Stopped

I think that all options are on the table, except for probably another 1976 box, but even that might be a possibility, they did release those two Spring 1990 boxes one year after the other. Multiple years from the same venue. A seasonal box. one show from each season of the year, probably not. One thing I do know for sure, what I wish would come out, or I feel will be released, never happens. Nothing has been released from the Frost, Greek, or Ventura, I feel that some of those shows are certainly release worthy, not all but some. My wish is for an Avalon 1969 box, or Winterland Oct 1974 box, so now we know that neither one of those will come out.

Thanks Mike. I did mention/shoutout to Marye on this board many posts ago about my situation but I didn't hear from her. Is she still around? Anyway, I finally did (2 weeks~ ago) get a response when I reached out DIRECTLY to Dr. Rhino - that's when I was finally informed they were making another batch of unnumbered DaP36's.

However my multiple requests into dead.net were basically ignored for 3+ months and counting. If I hadn't stayed loud and been prodded by someone here to contact Dr. Rhino directly (who DID respond), I still wouldn't have heard a damn thing about the plan for a 2nd pressing of DaP36.

Check your PM.

I very confident that the box is of muti-track recordings that should narrow it down.

Dap 37 seaside chat Dave said "Delayed twice?" TRI would have been closed due to pandemic.

Dap36 seaside chat: Dave said "Jeff was working on preliminaries."

If it were from 2-track reel to reel that they could have done at home studio.

There is no mention at all about box sets in this seaside chat. No official word from Dave or Rhino that it was delayed twice.
Hopefully, we will hear something soon, but who knows, it could be a fall release.

Thin, in the past I too have had bad dealings with dead.net and rhino. Marye was my only help, no one else responded to my many inquires. I had many damaged and unplayable discs with the E72 box, took almost a year of constant complaining and emails and such to everyone on dead.net. This was before Dr. Rhino existed and no one helped me but Marye. I continued to make my voice heard over and over again and finally, they came thru with the goods and replaced all my defective discs. It was at the same time that Dave's picks was just starting up and I did not purchase anything from dead.net for 1 and a half years until they fixed what they promised.
I missed the first 5 Dave's because of this but I would not buy until replacements were sent. I do see your point, the powers that be just move on from a selling point and try to sell you the next thing on their list of products, (Tea, discs, etc...) sometimes acting like the last "big thing" never even happened.
All I can recommend is to continue to complain, get Marye involved and keep pressure on Dr. Rhino. I believe sooner or later, you will get what you paid for, but the failure of the sales and shipping dept. is a black eye that doesn't seem to bother anyone at rhino or dead.net.
They have the goods, and they know it.

And when they do, pull the trigger because you can do it!

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That's one funny cartoon above! LOL!

My dream is the chopped up tapes used for "Dead Set" are found, restored and matrixed, so we get a Warfield, Radio City complete box set. It is the GD's Lost Ark of The Covenant!

After multiple listens to Dave's 37. I still love it. In fact, it's one of the best of the last 2 years(not THE best). And, I'm still surprised!!
As far as everyone not getting their stuff, this is an unacceptable situation. Not sure how to resolve, but I wonder if a petition could be drawn up, and see how many signatures we could get, and send to Bolo, Marye, and Dr. Rhino. Just thinking out lout.
Oh, and the Zappa soundtrack has some real nice stuff(released & unreleased). The incidental music is interesting, and segues nicely with live 1992 Yellow Shark stuff.
Music is the Best!!

I liked TMNS also. Where's Pigpen. Ha. Anyway, an authentic and interesting story. It's streaming on Amazon Prime for the next six days. This movie has become somewhat hard to find recently.. I'm surprised it popped up as streamable.

I forget where I heard about this, maybe tales from the golden road.. but there was a strong mention of what they had to go through to get Ice Nine to agree to let them use GD songs in their soundtrack, essentially Hunter had a big part in approving use of Grateful Dead songs in movies and advertising and was conscious of ruining the Brand / diluting or commercializing the content of the songs.

Definitely worth watching.

thx Sam - I did send a mssg to Marye today. Hopefully she'll respond.

But yeah, they just collect the dough, and if the product is defective or doesn't arrive, they don't respond! IF you know who to reach out to (took me 3 months to figure that out) and make enough of a fuss they eventually deal with it (well, we'll see....)

Amazing that the GD would take our lifetime loyalty and purchases for granted and treat us like sh__. Like dogs, they think they can kick us (or ignore us) and we'll just keep coming back. Screw that.

Sorry for the negative vibes, but Unkle Sam is right: Squeaky wheel gets the grease! I'm being squeaky as hell so 1) I finally get my sh__ and can move on, and 2) maybe someone up the chain will actually see this and realize how f'ing broken this system is, and fix it for those of you good people who continue to buy from this site.

That's a great cartoon. Michael Zagaris , photographer for the 49ers and the Oak!and As, also a rock & roll photagrpher , told two very funny stories on the Grateful Dead Marathon on Saturday that I hope some people had a chance to hear. When Bill Graham encountered Sid Vicious of the Sex Pistols
for their sound check at Winterland and Sid Viscous was wearing a swastika patch on his pants and Bill's reaction to it. Also, when Zagaris was going to photograph the Who at the Fillmore and Keith Moon was eating some mushrooms and he gave Zagaris some, and Zagaris said I've gotta photograph the show, and Moon said I've gotta play me fucking drums.

I must be the last person in the continental US to get their Daves glass. Mine finally shipped, but now UPS is saying there is a weather delay. I live on the East Coast so it must have gotten plugged up in Texas. Oh well, I guess I’ll see it someday. Lol.
Edit: sure enough, there are Dave’s Glass already up on ebay. There’s just something ludicrous about the whole thing.......

....i got mine last thursday. Stay positive. It will come.

Thin's comment of giving a life times loyalty to the GD reminded me that there is a big difference between The Dead and Deadnet. It sounds a bit grandiose, but The Dead were artists involved in creativity. Deadnet are a business involved in selling product.

I'll look up the Bill Graham interview. I have seen in depth interviews with him before and he was an interesting character. What I connected to with Bill Graham during listening to some of those interviews was his New Yorker world view from a European background encountering the Grateful Dead spirit together with that time periods' Zeitgeist. Bill and I are a different generation but with a similar background and hence a similar sensibility.

With Bill Graham being a child of WW2 and the Holocaust, I can imagine his reaction to Sid Vicious' Swastika regalia?! With that in mind, other Europeans that I have known including Russians who were both Jewish or Gentile would often have a casually mocking sense of humor regarding the Third Reich. For example: When drunk, partying, and posing for a group-party photo they would all give a Sieg Heil salute together - once again, both Russian Jewish, Orthodox Christian or Agnostic/Atheist. I once noticed a box of Trix cereal on their table in which the Rabbit cartoon character had the Hitler mustache drawn on it with sarcastic writing which was a combination of Madison Avenue Advertising mockery meets Joseph Goebbels' Minister of Propaganda content. It was just their sense of humor and was very witty.

It was all along the lines of, say, Charlie Chaplin mocking Hitler or the British films showing him doing a little Irish-Jig Dance after the fall of France.

More snow today in N.Y.C. I'm in the north west Bronx not far from where legendary taper Jerry Moore grew up and hung out near Gaelic Park where our GD played some great shows among other legends. I look out the window and cannot wait for Spring, a Lockdown end and out there somewhere are the long-lost Radio City/Warfield tapes! Positive vibes and prayers for those people in Texas and elsewhere.

I am so sorry if I got that wrong, but I swear I heard Dave say those things. Maybe the vid got edited. I don't know?

It does make some sense.

I think the box was to be released fall/winter 2020, and I think the pre-order would have been announced 10/302020 when Shakedown Stream played the Dead Ahead video from 10/31/1980.

No worries man. We all hoped for that second box last year. The only time I heard Dave mention a box set in the last six months was during the 2021 subscriptions, just saying something to the effect, we have a great box coming in 2021.

Sounds like you might have some insight on what it will be?

I just hope we hear something soon.

What a great show, one of my favorites from the big box. February is the all time month for killer Grateful Dead shows.

I purdikt the box announcement will be on 3/15 for Phil's 81st birthday.

It will be Alpine 89.

get yer money and place your bets, gang

February is indeed a good month for GD.

2 1 70
2 2 70
2 11 70
2 13 70
2 14 70
2/22/69
2/9/73
2/15/73

and a whole lot more

2/14/68

2 2 68
2 3 68
Lake Tahoe 68

Etc.

I put in disc one of 1 17 79
It leads off with Bobby announcing to the audience that that night's show will need to be postponed because Jerry is sick on a respirator with pneumonia (not the rockin' kind)
Must have been recorded in November 78

Never heard THAT before

Then a switch to 1 17 79

Carousel Ballroom 68

yes yes.

2/27/69. & 2/28/69

FW 69! Show for show four nights in a row, perhaps the best run in GD history. Certainly worth it's weight in C4.

Full disclosure, I'd take 2/14/68 over any of the FW shows. Personal preference.

....it's November. I stand by my statement.

Ha.. And then there's that.

Perhaps.. I have a theory I believe I voiced here years ago.. in the early years or should I say back when they used to practice, rehearse and record.. they would often take January off or a combo of January and February off and work on new stuff and god forbid contemplate recording it. They would preview as much of it live before recording usually on the spring runs (71 Port Chester, 72 AOM, E72, 73 Maples, etc.). So the early year stuff was the preview and they would tour with it all year back when they believed it would help sell their albums. No wonder late fall stands out, and by Dec, holidays, family, weather would curtail a full month of touring. November being a reliably powerful month. But I think Dec 73 was strong, Oct. 89, 10/19/73, and I do like the warts and all early stuff.. Bird Song Feb 71, Maples, FE 70.. some of these shows might not even be releasable but I love them nonetheless. I like the embryonic flawed attempts, to me they are pure magic and we get to peek inside their creative process.

As things evolved it seemed the Chinese New Years run was the only set of Winter shows they might typically do in a year. They generally took some time off in the winter and recharged their batteries and the end of the year was to pack the schedule and get their 80 or so shows in before the cycle repeated itself. During this period they were primed and any flux in the new material was pretty much hashed out, the stuff that never worked had all but disappeared.

Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree with our Senator but I do love all months and all years. Nov was hot, but so was June, July, October, December and we can't forget those spring tour breakouts. And February at least early on. My two cents on best months.. I reserve the right to be wrong.

Usually Mardi Gras and Chinese New Year concerts. Always fun because of all the revelry - floats, dragons, etc.

Historical footnote: our "krewe" was listed in the margins of the '93 Mardi Gras poster. Fun times!

Chinese New Years and Marti Gras.

Back East, our main source of info for these previews of the year seemed to reach us via Duprees Diamond News and then by word of mouth.

Pre cell phone and pre internet were fine with me. The element of surprise is much more valuable than the sneak peek.

DEADVIKES

At the end of the Grateful Tea video Dave says that he’ll be back ‘very soon’ to talk about ‘big music releases for 2021’ . I listened to it again just in case the forthcoming announcements were going to be beverage related but he definitely mentions music.
The lack of a 50th anniversary studio album could mean they don’t need to rush out the box set announcement to fit it in like last year.