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  • c_c
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    Supertaks: outstanding!! glad you had a real good time! peace.
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    Well....How to put into words. I just finished seeing both Shoreline shows and the Gorge. My last experience with any Dead members was Phil and Friends w/Bob Dylan at the Gorge in 2000, before that was West Coast 1995 ending with the last Jerry show in the Bay Area at Shoreline. I was thrilled, to say the least...every aspect went off without a hitch. The shows were fantastic, better musically then I could have dreamed. Each show had a stellar highlight, but if I had to chose a favorite, I would say the first Shoreline show. Help/Slip/F.T opener, and we knew we were in for a nice ride. Too much to relay and reflect on...so I will just say, take what Mickey said to heart...take this good feeling out into our communities...build on the dream...live your life like the planet depended on you.
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    I'm sure I"m not the only one, but after listening all night on Saturday and hearing Phil do his donor rap, then hearing Mickey come out and thank the crew...I just couldn't help but feel sad that this tour was done. Like the others before me - THANK YOU BOYS FOR A REAL GOOD TIME. I can't even put into words what this band and this community means to me, and I just feel extremely blessed to be a part of it. Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile!~Tam
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    Just have to say I loved reading your post, just loved it! I read it and re-read it twice. That's what it's all about, and I love how you only got a few hours of sleep and woke up the next morning feeling more relaxed than you had in some time. Great post!!!!~Tam
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    i had an event AFTER the show, that ruined it for me, i held off ofr 5 days, to get it resolved, but.... my wife got sick at shoreline, RockMed, the heros they are, got my wife to ambulance, right after the encore, i bought wristband, picked up CD in time, b4 ambulance left, well... the 3rd disc dont play, i missed the 2nd half of 2nd set 2x sofar. the CD only has dead.net listed as contact info, they tell me on phone they dont FIX venue sold items. WHO DOES?? how do i get the 1/3rd of this show i paid for, and the recording wont play? why does it take 5 days for dead.net to still not have answers for me on how to replkace this disc, other then REBUYING the download for $15 more!! this is what the opperator told me, at dead.net i didnt buy a download, i bought a concert bought, pressed CD. i spent good cash for it, all i want is what i paid for, thank you. if not, return my $25 for this half a show, and i will stop going to shows alltogether. me and my wife collectively have over 200 shows behind us, this is the ONLY bad exp i got from 20+ years of going to your shows. is it so hard to step up, and give a bit of service to those who pay your bills, lines your pocket, the fans.
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    Nice story Supertacks! As I sit in a hotel in Montana, 500 miles from home I am still dazed. We had so much fun and I felt like I did 20 years ago. Being stuck in the rat race I really needed this tour for many reasons and on many levels beyond just seeing a concert. Here are some of my highlights of my 10 days of craziness: * Walking into the Pepsi Center and everyone is just going nuts - hooting and hollering, we weren't even inside yet!! * The Denver acoustic set and especially Deep Elem Blues was so so good * Taking my daughter and wife to Shoreline for the 20 anniversary of my first show at ... Shoreline!! What a feeling dancing with my little girl in the same place I first danced 20 years ago * Help Slip Franklin opener ... St Stephen the 11 encore * SHOOT!! Couldn't make it to LA but from what I heard from folks in the lots it was super sick. * Now on to Shoreline May 14. This show folks was so good. The best post-Jerry show by faaaaaar. And I would say maybe one of the top 10 Grateful Dead /The Dead shows ever. Seriously I will stand here and defend that statement that it was was one of the best shows I have EVER seen. You can read my earlier review but when they were playing Fire all of Shoreline was in one wave of cosmic trippy dancing it was so beautiful and it reminded me of back in the day * Getting a 70 year old super cool lady high for her first time at Shoreline * The fire dancers doing their thing to Mickey's thunder * Seeing the Gorge *Hearing Dire Wolf and Althea and Eyes * I will say this about the Gorge though - it was like the boys finished shoreline and were like "oh shit we still have to play the gorge" * I am a new huge fan of Warren he had me in tears several times this tour. Just as one girl was shouting as she marched through the campground at the Gorge - "Warren - Motherfucking - Haynes!!! ORDER OF MY FAV SHOWS: 1.2ND SHORELINE 2. DENVER 3. 1ST SHORELINE 4. GORGE Thanks for a real good time and please come on tour again!! Can't wait for Ratdog this summer! Thank you all for your wonderful vibes!!! I felt them!! "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
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    Closing thoughts on the Spring Tour I am 45 now. Up until 04 I had not been to a “Dead” show or derivative of since 90 or 91. I was 27, 28’ish in 91. I caught on at age 18-19 at City Island in Harrisburg in 82 but didn’t get going until 83. Back then I was still wondering around aimlessly not even understanding that I had not found my niche in life yet. I knew I was not confident within certain groups or types of people and in certain situations but beyond that was just a punk kid. I was going to lots of different types of conerts back then and none hit me like a Grateful Dead show. The reason was that this was one place I could go where I felt I was not being judged by anyone and had no expectation to live up to. Of course I did not realize that then, but that was really the thing for me that made it a great place to go. I gre up during that period and carried on until 91. i took in 100+ plus shows in the time. Fast forward to 04. I went to see The Dead at Montage Mountain for Nostalgic purposes. They were 20 minutes from my house so it was low maintenance. It was great fun and the music was good. If I had to go further I would have said fuck it. I didn’t go there with the high expectations or expecting it to be like it used to be. I had a great time, got home to bed, and was asleep by 11:30. I listened to Jack Johnson the next day. Fast forward to 08. A good bud works at the Bryce Jordan in State College and emails me way ahead of public knowledge telling me the Dead are doing an Obama benefit. I figured fuck it I’ll go. I got tickets, then totally realized the historic significance of the show among the community, but it wasn’t that big a deal to me. I get to the show and am blown away. November 08 – The Kirby Center in Wilkes-Barre is a small and beautiful theater in WB. They are my client. Bob Weir is doing a show there and my phone rings that morning. It’s the promoter, he is having computer problems and needs help. I say “Let me grab my hat and I’ll be right there” They are across the street from my office so I am onsite in 4 minutes. I casually let him know I was at the Bryce Jordan show and he smiles and says let me put two comps at Will Call for you tonight. I had no plans on going. My wife goes with me and the show is killer. Fast forward to Spring 09 The economy is in the shitter, I know of 5 or 6 people who have lost their jobs who are extremely talented. There is little good news and everyone is stressed to the max. The Tour is announced and The Dead books Wilkes-Barre. That’s my building, I do ALL the tech work there so of course I gotta go. WB has no idea what they are in for and don’t open the lot until 4. It’s a full fledge spring tour so the busses were dusted off, tuned up and the caravan is in high gear. The community sets up in the Walmart parking lot up the street. The scene is small but cool. Same ole, same ole, but has a really different feel than the 04 show. The 04 show felt like a reunion show for nostalgic purposes only. This was different. The show itself was good, not great, but good enough for me to check out some other shows online. As it turns out the WB set list was my least favorite of the tour so far. I start to get the itch to go to Philly where I didn't miss a show through the 80's Fuck me. We get in town at 2:00 and it’s just going off. I find myself saying stuff and hearing stuff that hasn’t entered even my most remote thoughts in 20 years. As soon as we pull in I looked at my bro-in-law and said “Lets pour a beer and head over to Shakedown Street for some eats” I am immediately floored because I haven’t thought about Shakedown in that wqay forever. I talked to too many people to count. Many now corporate guys with old shirts on and many hippies, some that came in community busses just like the old days. No one is talking about the economy, Iraq, school shootings, swine flu, the crime rate, the financial crisis, GM, Chrysler, housing, none of it. Everyone is smiling, speculating on the final Set List for the Spectrum. There is much talk of the first “Dew” on the tour. Much talk of the first "Samson and Delilah” on the tour. I had my Hershey 85 shirt on. No less than 20 people stopped me to talk about Terrapin in the rain. There was tie dye, crystals, falafel, burritos, balloons, curry, BO, Patchoulie, much sweet smelling smoky stuff etc. All the symbolic stuff was point on. The vibe was just incredible. If they tour again I will be there. At 45 what I got out of it was every bit as fun as it used to be. I was not there to cut loose without fear of judgment like back in the old days. My life is well defined now and I am comfortable in my skin. But it was soul cleansing and therapeutic to rinse off the stress of everything going on in my 45 year old world. There was this total sense of release from everyone there who was doing the same thing. After just one afternoon and evening . . . (Got home and 3:00 a.m., shower was mandatory) asleep at 3:30 and still woke up Sunday morning feeling more relaxed and fresh than after a week’s vacation and I still feel that today. I haven't listened to anything but the Dead since May 2nd. I DL'ed every show on this tour, stayed up way too late checking out the streams, met tons of new peeps online and have just had a blast. I think we get so caught up in our lives, families, children, responsibilities, and the expectations everyone around us sets for us, that it’s hard to do stuff like this without feeling irresponsible. I am fortunate in that I have a wife who urges me to go have some fun and blow off some steam. I pick and choose very carefully where I use these opportunities and only use the hall pass once or maybe twice a year. He'll I don't even golf. She knows this, so when I bring something up she knows it’s for real. It’s so nice to be able to do something you know, really puts your wife out for a day and she is still supportive and encouraging. There is still nothing like a Dead Show. If several circumstances did not happen that made it easy or convenient for me to get re-acquainted I never I would have. I am not sorry there are more shows on this tour I can’t go too, but truly appreciate the ones I did. I am back in the daily grind now, and the grind is rolling off me like water on a well waxed car. It is so amazing to me that this scene evolved the way it did, and survived. If you look at the era in which we live, it is one of the most unusual occurrences going and I am honored and blessed to have had the opportunity to particpate. God bless the Grateful Dead and everyone that is a part of it. You people are as much responsible for this as the music. I will miss this tour, can't wait for the news of another, and am off to have another grate day!
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    Poetic, heartfelt, and multiple times; as usual!!!!!!!!! Love you bro! ********************************** Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. Mark Twain
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    Well, found myself tismorning listening to the last show on this tour.(sigh) The boys have definately outdone theirselves on this tour. I hate to see it come to an end. Im keeping my fingers crossed for a fall tour. Listening to the last show, I found some tears running down my face. (tears of joy) I just want to say thank you Mickey, Bill, Bobby, Phil, Warren, and Jeff for all the joy and happyness you guys gave us on this tour. Made alot of new friends here on dead.net and in the Philly lot. Thank you Dead.net and thank you Marye for your knowledge and trouble shooting on this site. I hope to see all of you on a fall tour:) God Bless you all and God Bless The Grateful Dead!!!! Peace- Moye
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    Well, found myself tismorning listening to the last show on this tour.(sigh) The boys have definately outdone theirselves on this tour. I hate to see it come to an end. Im keeping my fingers crossed for a fall tour. Listening to the last show, I found some tears running down my face. (tears of joy) I just want to say thank you Mickey, Bill, Bobby, Phil, Warren, and Jeff for all the joy and happyness you guys gave us on this tour. Made alot of new friends here on dead.net and in the Philly lot. Thank you Dead.net and thank you Marye for your knowledge and trouble shooting on this site. I hope to see all of you on a fall tour:) God Bless you all and God Bless The Grateful Dead!!!! Peace- Moye
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The band says Happy New Year with an announcement of almost twenty shows in April and May.  More details to come!

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Speaking on behalf of dead heads who honestly has the money to go to multiple shows. $100 dollars a ticket is completley outragious. If im spending 100 bucks for a ticket it sure as h**l better be a floor ticket not some nosebleed b.s.
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oh well, the tickets are $100. it shocked me at first too. was expecting 1/2 that. i guess thats just 50 more grilled cheese sandwiches i gotta sell to see a show. ;)
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I live in Seattle and I am praying and hoping they play the Gorge this summer..I am looking forward to going to Shoreline and spending a few days in the Bay Area.. We also have a house near the ocean in Santa Cruz... The smiles, dancing & laughter in the air will compensate for any price tag and that my friends can not be bought
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More people are complaining over the cost of a ticket vs. the price of gas we were paying last summer. Come on...... take that extra money you're not spending on inflated gas prices and by a ticket!!!!!!!!
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I just registered at the deadtickets site and the only tickets listed for the WB, PA show are the upper tier pricing? Other shows have two tier tix, but some only have the mucho dinero tix? I don't care where my seat is...not like I'll be using it anyway and no need to see the "maturity lines" on Bobby! lol I wanted to treat my bro and his girl, since they can't really spring for $150 (lower price tix? at least for mailorder) for them both...but it's going to cost me $300 for us to catch the boys one last time? *sigh* Time to break out the colored pencils and get my envelope ready for tomorrow! ~Wake now, discover that you are the song that the morning brings!
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What's confusing me is how some of the venues appear to have only the upper tier tickets on sale during the pre-sale (Nassau Coliseum, MSG, the Spectrum, etc.) while others have both tiers available (Buffalo, Hartford, etc.). Anyone know why this is? I can't imagine they'd sell the lesser seats for the higher price during the presale online, while selling them for regular price via mailorder and/or when they eventually go on sale to the public... but then again it would depend on what shady ticket company was in charge. Anyway, based on the ticket prices I'm probably going to mail order- at least I know what I SHOULD be getting when I pay $100 for a ticket to MSG, and it seems like the only way to get the cheap tickets to the E. Rutherford shows. If they would just make it clear on the site what tickets are being sold for that price... Anyway, it's gonna be a wonderfully strange time regardless... see you on Shakedown Street!
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Almost 900 people online right now..I am curious to see it when it peaks tommorrow..It is almost show time..Only one more sleep until we hopefully all get our seats ..Woot Sleeping will be tough tonight
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So the tickets are going thru music today, I already have a musictoday account, i guess this is a separate account on dead.net? hope this whole registration thing on the dead site doesnt fuck up tomorrow. Who ever is in charge of logistics for this tour should be off the "bus"! Christ! They dont even know whats going on I.E "We've learned from the ticket vendor that you must create an account to place an order" This just coming out less than 24 hours away from the pre-sale. God, buddah, muhammad, somebody help us!
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you are exactly right on track. Who cares on the cost. I almost pucked from being excited when I saw the website change with new info. I would have payed twice today's rate and sat in the parking lot if I knew it would have been Jerry's last show back then. Being able to see the four of them together and see the magic in person possibly one last time!! At least I'm enjoyin' the Ride!! GratefulParks
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how many tickets can we purchase per tomorrows pre sale adventure ?
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I thought there were $69 tix for the spectrum? Now I only see the upper level tix and I booked a hotel already. Uggghhh Oh well, looks like I'm going anyway. Think I'll steer clear of Rikers though, LOL! Put your gold money where your love is, baby...........
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i would assume @ least 4 but this has been very secretive in a sense..I am not nearly as stressed about the money as I am in trying to get the correct info to make it a smooth transaction...I have any all 3 of the ticket outlets to my favorites and had to register with all of them..Damn it should be an interesting effort tommorrow
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They won't sell out on the presale. This isn't The Stones or The Eagles. If you don't have the cash, don't buy them. If you do, get them when you can. Most venues i've been to over the past couple decades didn't sell out, I doubt these big arena shows will. Personally, I wish they would have chosen smaller places to play to keep the room full. It's been a bummer on ratdog shows looking behind me and seeing empty seats.
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I have tried numerous times to create an account with musictoday for the presale tomorrow, BUT everytime i try it says there is an error, the password and confirm password do not match. What the heck is going on? Where else can i get the presale tix through tomorrow?
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My guru has spoken, and to Chicago I must go! I will pay a week's worth of food (for me, not including the dog), I will fly if I must, and endure a Cubs game if I have to (brrrr) because my guru commands it be so! Live in fear, Rosemont IL. MarkintheDark approaches, and he *will* enjoy himself. (At a hundred bucks a pop, I f*ckin' better!) ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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Ticket pre-sale begins tomorrow (Tuesday, January 13th) at 12:00 p.m. (noon) Eastern/9:00 a.m. Pacific! Get ticket info, see the tour schedule and follow the countdown by clicking here. We have learned from our ticket vendor that you must create an account to place an order. We recommend clicking on the "Set One Up" link at Dead.net to set up an account on the ticketing website before the pre-sale begins. Adding to the excitement is a new Dead '09 video from the band. Click the link below for special, behind-the-scenes clips & interviews. Dead.net is the place to be for all Dead '09 tour information. Please stay in touch for special offers and surprises
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Damn, they are not looking to make this affordable, that's for sure. Suppose I'll have to wait for the tape...
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does anyone know if there is any talk of sticking an alpine valley show into the line-up? i cant believe that with alpines rich place in dead history that they would skip it on their potentially last tour?! i will be at a show, i'll probably have to catch the allstate, but wouldnt it be great to gather on the rolling hill at alpine valley and dance to the dead with the grass under your bare toes again? what do we need to do to get a show at alpine? anyone ?
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Well guess who sold out now. The Dead. Here we are in troubled times, a national Depression on the crest of the wave and the boys want us to shell out $100 a ticket. Change is here ok. When we really need a break the Dead break our banks.Thanks a mil. Bucks that is.
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just got my stuff ready for the gdts mail order earlier this evening.....filling out the index card, etc......hmmm....now i don't know if i should buy the money order or try to get logged in at noon????? ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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Given the prices they want for these shows. I had looked at doing 4-5. Might just blow off the whole thing. If they have brought these back from the netherworld, would someone let me know.
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not to be able to see more than one show.....i could very easily make it to at least three....logistically....but alas, price wise....gonna have to settle for Cville.....i am thankful that the MULE still keeps their ticket prices at around $30.......but i gotta see Warren play Jer's tunes....Peace... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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is it possible the access code is the "security code" that had to be entered after the user name and password were entered? I hope not because I didn't write it down. The reason I'm asking is because I just received an email that didn't mention anything about the access code.
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Look with now a days inflation. Does it really suprise you that its this much. For that matter I hear all you cry & complain but come on its the Dead & you dont think its worth it. Yea it may not be as little of cost as it was 30 yrs ago but today is today & who knows when we will see these guys back on stage. Let alone what may happen to then in the up coming years. So a certain price you may not feel is fair. Just think how you would feel saving those couple bucks & missing one of the last Dead shows, cuz we all know theres not gonna be to much more. Hell thats my 2 cents but what do I know!
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humble suggestions ... Bob talks about the music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_M8f23BQDY Warren and Derek soothing slide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UauECrCIYl8 Soundcheck at PSU/Obama show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHsvo2-FHuU 10/25/1979 on archive.org http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-10-25.set1aud-set2sbd.miller.22792… the things I cannot change, the things I can ...
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i was gonna go to 3-5 shows then just one but now i think im gonna go to two. Im gonna buy a a good seat for one show and a cheapo ticket for the other (<----cheapo ticket? does that exist?) See im thinking since everybodys pissed that the tickets are so expense maybe the place will only be half full and i can get to a better seat, maybe even the floor. Or just dose the security guard and come back in 30 min and we'll both go down to the floor and have a good time.
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no i don't think the "security code" would be an access code. that's just to keep automated responses at rest. On to a different subject... people complaining about the price of tix... my husband and i spent $100 a pop plus hotel room for the allman bros and bob weir in chicago last year. We are thrilled the tix are only $100 for the number of bands you will see on this tour. We missed the obama show. been kickin ourselves ever since. when we heard of this we decided right away, and with no clue what the cost, WE ARE SOOOO THERE!
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it's not just the $100 tickets. it's also the VIP packages that it appears have basically locked up the first 10 rows...the DEAD...VIP PACKAGES???? Unreal. I'm not even sure it makes good economic sense for the band...They're gonna walk out on stage every night to a lot of expensive--and empty--seats.
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I am happy they are selling tickets through the link on this board...Those service charges are so much better than I was anticipating with Ticker-Bastard...I am stoked and almost feel as though I switched to Geico
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im thinking about turning in my dyes and buy some suites. in my humble opinion, the boys forgot about us and sold out to the almighty dolla.
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well i think im prepared for tommorow good luck to you all and i wish we could all get in but we might not fleaflicker i would love to dose the security guard if you dont get in remember we will get by we will surviiiive
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what link are u talkin about? i checked ticket-bastard... holy moly! will not go through them.
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I LOVE THESE GUYZ.....always have, always will....got on the bus in '79...truly some of the best moments of my life.....i just wasn't expecting it to be quite so much.....saw Phil in Richmond last year and had the most wonderful time...right down in front, groovin' with my 3 children (all in their 20's)....just kinda sad i can't see as much of this tour as i would have liked, and can't afford to help my kids get tix......been a little spoiled seeing Mule tours at 30 dollars a nite.....but i will send in the mail order for C'ville, and maybe try logging in tomorrow and use the damn credit card for Greensboro or DC...... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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but i wonder will there be xtra fees with the musictoday?? ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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1 on this site go to the main page 2 click on tour and ticket info 3 scroll down and click on set one up it will bring you to the company selling tickets... register asap and add to favorites.. tommorrow open up the link and when password becomes available follow instruction for venue you are going to If you know how to copy and paste cary this over and put in your search .. it is a direct link to the site http://www.deadtickets.rlc.net/TheDead/calendar.aspx
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over 1,300 people looking at forums right now and this is the only thread really moving..I think the demand is high
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have always gotten tix through mail order....but that was 15 years ago.... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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what makes you think that we will be emailed the access code? I don't think they meant the verification code but who knows?
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anyone have details on the Internet sales starting tomorrow morning? Is there some type of password that has to be used to get into the sale? RatDog and Phil and Friends did two shows in SF for New Year's Eve and both bands were very, very good. Can't wait for May!
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i have about 6 five gallon gas cans. Im gonna fill em up while gas is still down a bit and store em till April. Gas might go back up to 4 somthing a gallon by then for all we know. At least my intial tank on departure will be cheaper and already paid for, plus i will be able to take one or two with me.
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Looking for infor or clarification on the subject of an Access Code. After registering for an account to purchase tickets tomorrow, I read the "Frequently Asked Questions" section and saw a reference to Acess Codes. Where do they come from? How do we get them? Will they appear tomorrow when they open up the site to purchase tix? HELP!!
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missin' Jerry right now....thinkin' about Hampton, VA....the last GA holdout....he loved playin' there..... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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about access codes....just clicked on the link at top of page and created an account.... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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you are referring to the scramble code that had to be copied when you created your account?? ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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It is basically a security measure for the site..
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I'm confused-NOTHING NEW, but someone clarify this for me. They are doing mailorder and internet sales??
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Looks like both.... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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nobody has a clue man! Your just gonna have to wing it and hope all ends well. Your not alone, the people responsable for this tour dont even know. Ive been living on this board since the tour was announced, and you could visit the site for the first time in your life today and know just as much as anybody here. good luck
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16 years 11 months
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gotta believe that if you mailorder tomorrow, you'll get tickets.....but with the internet sales you will get to see what seats you're getting....if you can get logged in....I'll be at work tomorrow, hope to be able to log in but ..... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....