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  • JackstrawfromC…
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    Zombie d Wulf has a list posted of all the songs. I just cant' remember which page/thread he posted it on???? "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
  • c_c
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    anybody have a list of all the songs that they played this tour? it was something like 150 different songs. not the setlists, but you know, like an alphabetical list. or a website that listed them? please? peace.
  • hippyjameZ
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    Sure do miss getting on
    Sure do miss getting on Dead.net and checking the setlists and reviews.. All i gotta say is, "I wanna thank You, For a Real Good Time!."
  • bilee
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    I just left the following on the “Shout Outs” page"Yo Godspal! You ever even been to a show with Jerry? Yea it was bigger and better..... after 25 years! Who cares about bigger and better, and the definition of cover band is a band that covers other peoples songs just the way they were done by the original. If you think that the Dead are a cover band then so is Van Halen (running with the devil and most of the songs on their 1st album are old 30s blues songs) and the Rolling Stones and Clapton and Led Zeppelin, and many other bands that take songs that they like or admire and redo them. So the Dead would have to be a tribute band.... but the core members are all in the band so it's a tribute to themselves! Like most people that claim to be Christians you sure are quick to judge. I see 2 to 3 hundred bands a year working. From the 29th of April to the 12th of May I worked Neil Young, James Taylor, Fleetwood Mac, Kenny Chesney and Billy Joel/Elton John. I took the time in all that to drive 7 hours to Chicago for the show on the 4th and to fly to Mountainview for the show on the 10th. The rest of the month will include Andre Rieu, Yani and Sugarland. Next month is a bunch of other national acts. I CHOOSE TO SEE THE DEAD BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL, HANDS DOWN, THE BEST BAND IN THE WORLD. i'LL TAKE TIME OUT OF MY LIFE ANYTIME THEY PLAY TO SEE THEM." I left it in response to someone calling this band a cover band. Sooo maybe I'm a little rabid but I am one loyal Motherf#%*er and I won't apologize for my response. I will say thank you to the band for lighting that space in my heart that has been dark for so long. Thanks for validating my conception of what the Dead means to me with my wife and my grown kids that have lived on the peripheral of my relationship with this huge part of my soul but now have experienced it. After Chicago my wife said “I Get It” she felt the magic. Same in Mountainview with my boys, 25 and 22 that have lived with this all their lives, listen to the music and now know the feeling. I meant what I said, this band, not the Grateful Dead, but the Dead is the best band in the world. If the Grateful Dead could be here then that might not be the case but that will never happen. It’s funny that the Grateful Dead went through what a handful of keyboard changes and there wasn’t a question of who they were. I hope that when other band members pass (you know… the wheel thing) that the band still plays the songs that I so want to hear and new ones that will reflect the band at that time with the same magic as in 69, 79, 89 or 09. I also hope when I’m gone that my children and my children’s children have the same opportunity to feel the magic.
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    Is there any chance we get the list of material they use for ligthts on tour?
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    Man, I can't wait till the morning I wake up and see the forum topic that says "THE DEAD TO TOUR IN FALL" :) I can almost say that this could definately happen:) The vibes on this site alone are offf the scales man. Everybodys reviews from the shows they attended seem fantastic. Special thanks to Charlie Miller for letting all us heads listen to some really great music off archives:) Everyone keep ur fingers crossed for the fall and I hope to see you all in the lots:)Peace- Moye
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    Well, I feel a want for more, but know I am fortunate for the shows I was able to see (8 including Penn State). Then again, I need time to save up some money, as it sure wasn't cheap or without sacrifice (well worth it though, just saying...).The last show at the Gorge was fantastic for so many reasons. It turned out to be a 80 degree day, met some awesome Washington State folks, was center stage 7 rows back, and it was our 3rd wedding anniversary! Was a grate trip, we flew in to Seattle and picked up a rental vehicle in the pouring rain. Drove to Moses Lake to be closer to the venue so we wouldn't have to drive so far when they opened, and ended up driving through quite a snowstorm through the cascade mountains. It was surprising to see, as it was snowing so hard that it was accumulating on the roadway and we certainly didn't expect it. Fortunately, we drove out of that, and the weather improved. And as I mentioned, the day of the show was 80 and sunny! Back home on the east coast now and reading others viewpoints of the shows here. Love hearing about them. My take on the shows are that they definitely got better as the tour went on. Of particular note, I got to see the progression of Warren as he took more of a stage presence as the tour went on. The gorge show was definitely a rock star Warren night IMO. He was on fire, first with the Allman's, and seemed to pick up steam with the Dead. My appreciation for him has definitely grown, and I now count myself as a huge Warren fan. LOVED his version of Althea that night, do I dare say even more then bobby's from earlier in the tour!? Anyway, thought I'd share just a bit now that the ride is over (for now). I am anxiously waiting for Rothbury, and at the same time glad that I have a little time to save up for it! Will probably end up having to skip a couple other shows I had planned on attending (DSO), but I do love those outdoor Dead shows! And as far as the Gorge goes, what a FANTASTIC venue! Would love to do that again if the opportunity arises. Now I feel the need to check out Red Rocks, as I have heard that setting is just as nice, but due to the distance, it would take The Dead to play there to really motivate me, thus the reason I am going to Rothbury. It was so nice to be part of the scene again, to be around so many newer, young folks intermingled with us older, still very much young at heart ones. Never would have thought that there would be another opportunity for a tour, never mind just a nostalgic show, but now I am thinking, how could they not do this again. I mean, it truly was a win-win. The band and all that are employed to stage the tour certainly made some money, but even more importantly, they all seemed to be having a most excellent time up there, and those of us that were fortunate enough to catch a show, know everyone else was digging it. So boys, if any of you actually find time to read any of these postings, lets do more together, as I for one will agree to do my part, which is attend show(s) that are feasible and be a part of the lovely deadhead community to welcome the next generation in with open arms. Speaking of this, at the Gorge show there was a 18 year old high schooler that convinced his dad to bring him, and that kid really got it! It was fun watching him react to the band and crowd. This is how it will never die. Musicians, sure, but the music will be passed on. Please bring on another tour! See ya at Rothbury!
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    We all had a real good time, didn't we? And I really enjoyed "meeting" and sharing the experience with you folks. I hope we have a chance to do it again soon, and I'm sure looking forward to RatDog this summer!
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    I totally agree with you. This is not the Grateful Dead it is The Dead. 2 pretty different bands really. Both grate in there own special ways (I know that sounds a little cheesy but hey it is true). It is impossible to replace Jerry and his unique guitar, vocals, perspective and soul are missed believe me. But if you went in to this tour with an open mind I just don't see how you could have been disappointed. I was not a Warren fan going in but coming out I am a huge fan. He made this tour folks just admit it. He brought his own style to the mix, he wasn't trying to be Jerry he wasn't trying to sound like him and he wasn't just sitting in filling space. There were times when he sounded hauntingly similar to Jerry (China Doll, Morning Dew for example), times when he sounded very soulful like Brent and times when he has just being Warren. He really moved me and not unlike what Jerry used to do for me. That is where I will disagree with Peggy-O, I was almost in tears several times. The same could be said for Jeff too. He brought his own style and it fit in beautifully. I love Ratdog and Phil and Friends and all but there is something special and kind of hard to explain when they are all together, then throw in Billy and Mickey and the raw power is back!! What also returned was the lot scene. Walking through the lots at Shoreline and Washington seriously made me feel like 20 years old again. I felt like I was back where I belong, and that is a very special feeling I will hold onto forever. They played this tour with emotion and power and they were as tight as I have ever heard them.. EVER. There were shows in the 90's with Jerry that didn't have a fraction of the power, emotion, magic or energy these guys are holding right now. Some of those shows felt like they were just going through the motions. NOT in 2009!! They hit this tour with a sense of "We are still the kings of the jam bands, and now we are going to show you". Sure some shows were better than others that is how it always was, is and will be. That's why I always suggest to catch as many Dead shows as possible because that one magical show that touches your soul and changes your life is out there. Although I haven't heard any of the shows from this tour that I would consider to be "bad". All I can say is "When can we do this again??" Seriously!! "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
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    Great reflections PeggyO, GD GRW and JackStrawfromCO...
    I just loved reading them, I think we all share the same sentiments only you guys know how to verbalize it better than I. But everytime I read one of your reflections or thoughts, I keep thinking "yeah, that's what I feel like"! Anyway, just wanted to throw it out there. ~Tam
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The band says Happy New Year with an announcement of almost twenty shows in April and May.  More details to come!

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30+ years of buying tix and supporting the band and this tour/ticket scheme is bullshit. Jerry's ashes are rolling over in the Ganges River. They announce two prices for tix -- expensive and super expensive, but don't tell you what kind of seats you get for the extra cash. Unless, you buy a VIP package for several hundred dollars which gets you a ticket near the band. Only the rich folks have a chance to get good seats?! that is f...ing bullshit. Hate to say it but I think they will fail to sell out many of the shows in the northeast, and based on the way they are doing this, that is exactly what is deserved. It's great that they are rolling it out again, just can't believe they sold out basic fairness and screwed their most loyal, longtime fans in the process.
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I used to make fun of the Eagles and CSN&Y for their rip off prices. It's sad the boys have joined that group. Part of the fun of seeing them was that they were not like any other band.
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yeah such is life to have and have not. whatever happened to just bein happy to be in. hopefully some of us can get stubbed down. remember that! i just want to dance
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I don't know, but I'm guessing that the band and even the extended family has relatively little to do with ticket prices. Live concerts are a major worldwide industry. While I suspect that the band could arrange a tour of small venues, I'm not sure the tix would be a lot cheaper and they might even be higher. The stadium gigs allow big crowds and theoretically allow the maximum attendance (notwithstanding the costs). They would have to play a month long run at the Fillmore to allow the same crowd as a single shoreline show and a month at the Fillmore isn't real likely. I wish the tickets were cheap and plentiful; I'm baffled by the online purchase system and I've got my fingers crossed that I can make it work in the morning. I wish Jerry was singing and Brent was playing the keys, but it is what it is. Save the griping for the government... G
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I have used music today several times and they do charge an extra service charge, also beware of the mailing options for they automatically put you on the most expensive mailing option but you can change that option but you have to click that option, there is no access code or password, all you have to do is registor and then when you go back to the site tomorrow all you have to do is sign in with the password you made. This is not rocket science and very user friendly.
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I at first was a little upset about prices but hey, what the hell, we only live once, time to go and shake our bones and have some fun!!!
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I didnt see no stankin' acess code when I signed up?
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The VIP "Consider it Dan" business is total bullshit. Who's idea was it to give the best tickets in the house to only those who could pony up $500-$1500?!?! That's where I used to dance. I'm rethinking buying any dates on this tour and I know I'm not alone. When the tour was announced some of us Fair Family started putting together a school bus trip back east. Furthur III. After people caught the VIP thing (Dollars for Dan) we've had half our crew bail out and the bus is staying in the barn. A real loss for the lot. But that's not what it's about anymore is it. Good luck with your business. Formerly Grateful, TheEnjoyer
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There is no acces code, when you signed up you gace them a username and password, that is all you need to get tix!!!
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The wait has been tooooooooooooo long! But only one SoCal show?? C'mon guys, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee play more! What if I can't get a ticket?
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Big day tomorrow. Good luck.
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I was thinking the same thing on the package deals...Those are rediculous in price and don't even come close to justifying the perks included...I am content with lawn seats @ Shoreline and would honestly be in the area where I think will be the most enjoyable and totally define a Dead Experience...No stuffy reserved seats for me...I want to be me
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so if i mail order tomorrow wth gdts and theres online sales, whats the deal. are some reserved for mailorder or if online sells out mailorder is screwed?id rather mail order and spend less money
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First off, I'm a bit disappointed to say the least in the bands decision to rake it in on this tour. When they toured back in '03 and '04, the prices were no where near what they are now. 5 years pass and the prices have doubled. WTF?? I know there are going to be some good shows and we are all happy to hear about them performing together again and making music, but come on. What I want to know is if Bobby is going to sing "We used to play for life, now we play for silver" during Jack Straw. Really a shame guys. I'm happy I get to go see Billy at the Crystal with Karl Denson here in Portland for $25. Just one more note here too. When The Who tried to charge a shitload of money for their show about a year ago and no one bought enough tickets, they lowered their price the week of the show to $25. If we all said sorry, but, earth to the band, we are in a recession and some of us lost a shitload of money or jobs recently and we're not buying $100 tickets, perhaps they might lower the prices too. I'll pay $50 or $60, but not $100. Too rich for my blood, and I love you guys, seriously.
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hey my wife says i need to stop this so goodluck to everyone tommorrow.....i have my fingers crossed......
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So I'm just wondering how much a veggie burrito or grilled cheese will cost on this tour? If its $100 per ticket, I think $8 bucks for a grilled cheese is fair game. Thats about fair, right guys?
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Yes, they do, to the place that was built for them. SIlly question: will this sell out right away?? Hey, the new guy from New Mexico needs to know! Hope to see ya there.
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The above post meaning Mtn View on May 10, of course. Mother's Day shows are fun....
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The band can control it's own actions. It abides in all this. With full knowledge. Speaks for itself. Indeed...it's all too clear we're on our own....
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I finally got an e-mail from this web-site with some minor tour info and a few videos..I realize that I have been acknowldged and will get the updated info..Check your e-mails to make sure you joined in correctly
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It helps to hear/see that others are in the same boat. I signed up ages ago but when I checked recently I couldn't log in so I set up a new account wondering what info I might have missed and lo and behold sounds like not much - can't sleep don't know what to do tomorrow mail/call in
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Anyone have any idea why the difference in price of tix?I can barely afford the "cheap" ones, but was just wondering if there is seating and then a GA? Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right...
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I'm only on page 52 after reading these posts after work.....if you're really a true deadhead and want to know what everythings about, I'd suggest.....take a friggin chill pill brothers and sisters.......these people have been long time fans that run this site......if you don't think you'll get tickets than you won't....but if you do, then welcome to the BUS. Relax, believe in changing the world and know that only KIND people ride this bus........I am elated that all these youngin's want in, but choose to respect kind people and respect your elders! Thank you, Scott _________________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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Finally,Please don't disgust me with your critiques of this site....if you've been anywhat coherent, you would know, the grass is NOT always greener no where you go. I feel like I should bitch that I'm not home, but I read this and wonder.....WHY ARE ALL YOU PHISH phans knockin what they know we all laid you down for you? Believe me, I grew up in a place near the Golden Palace, Les was still moshin in Pinole......you blue collard tweeekers are not going to run this town.....Stop thinking scalp, and start opening your minds.....TUNE IN AND TURN OUT......I wasn't even born then, but I know the people that were._Please don't bring your negative vibes my way. For all the true heads.....don't forget to think of Me and My Uncle. ________________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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I'm so stoked for this. I've seen all the guys in their 'solo' ventures, but this is very special for me. And it finally pays having a second shift job!!! Don't go in until 3 in the afternoon, so I can wake up at my normal time, buy some tickets and relish.
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bmet01I live in Florida the weirdest state in the union and no shows anywhere near here unless you count one in NC thats a long way for an old deadhead like me that gave up his car last year i guess i should be happy they are touring again I AM! i just wish they would play in Florida but long live the Grateful fucking Dead i say.
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ok,thanks, man. lost my watch. ( - ; peace.
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ok,thanks, man. lost my watch. ( - ; peace.
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thankx, man. lost my watch. ( - ; AND THE RACE IS ON!!! good luck getting seats folks!
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looks like mail order through gdts has some cheaper seats for sale, but those are NOT listed on the internet sales site.... for folks trying to save some cash, might be better to do mail order for some venues; for example meadowlands. peace.
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Somebody posted a seating chart from Nassau , all the seats under 100 were behind the stage.I dont know if they all are , but I assume the view is obstructed in some way. I think you gotta pay up , unless you wanna risk staring at a Steel Girder all night.
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My company's content filter may block my access to the ticket site! I can get in to set up an account through the link here, but when I click on "Ticket information" I'm getting a "blocked" (and "you've been reported") message. I hope I can worm my way into the site from another page....
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I've got a meeting in 15 minutes, but I should be back by the time the ticket pre-sale begins. If I don't get back to this board before then, good luck to everyone. I hope you all get the tickets you need for the shows you want. "When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest!" - Bullwinkle Moose
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http://www.consideritdan.com/dead/index.php An Evening with The Dead 04/17/09 | Albany, NY Time Union Center • Venue Website • Google Map it VIP Tickets Golden RoadHigh Time Travel Packages Golden Road TravelHigh Time TravelDeluxe TravelStandard Travel The Workingman's Dead TRAVEL PACKAGES FOR 2 STARTING AT: $279 VIP TICKETS These are VIP Tickets to the Dead shows. No other tickets need to be purchased for the show. All tickets will be picked up at the Consider It Dan will call table at the venue day of show. No tickets will be mailed. The name you put as the 'will call name' on your order must match the name on a picture ID at the time of pick up. These tickets MAY NOT BE RESOLD - and CID reserves the right to cancel any tickets if they have been resold. $475 | Purchase this Package (per person) Golden Road 3 Hour VIP Reception at Savannah's right across the street from the Times Union Center featuring open bar, and free food for the entire 3 hours. VIP Entrance for a convenient and quiick entry into the Times Union Center Seats located in section 2 on the floor. Exact seat location will be shared 5 days before show. 1 Limited Edition official Dead 09 T-Shirt and 1 Limited Edition official Dead 09 Show Poster otherwise unavailable $350 | Purchase this Package (per person) High Time 3 Hour VIP Reception at Savannah's right across the street from the Times Union Center featuring open bar, and free food for the entire 3 hours. VIP Entrance for a convenient and quiick entry into the Times Union Center Seats located in section 2 on the floor or sections 105,119, or 120 in the lower bowl. Exact seat location will be shared 5 days before show. 1 Limited Edition official Dead 09 T-Shirt and 1 Limited Edition official Dead 09 Show Poster otherwise unavailable Section choice (Floor or Lower Bowl) made at checkout. The Crowne Plaza TRAVEL PACKAGES lodging at The Crowne Plaza Hotel Website • Google Map it This is a Deposit for a travel package. Tickets and transportation are included. Please see the description for your specific travel package for information on what else is also included. No elements of these travel packages can be split up and sold individually. If you cancel your travel package - we cannot sell you your tickets and posters only, we can only refund you as per the schedule below. Deposits are due immediately upon booking. Tickets, Posters, Shuttle passes, etc... will be picked up on the day of check in the lobby of the hotel. Dogs are not permitted in rooms booked through Consider It Dan. Even if the hotel has a pet friendly policy - due to the amount of time you will be out of your room (5 hours for the show at least) we cannot endorse leaving your dog locked up in an unfamiliar environment where they are likely to bark and disturb other guests. $1249 | Purchase this Package Deposit: $499 Travel Pkgs are for 2 people Golden Road Travel Includes two (2) Golden Road Tickets as detailed above Hotel Accommodations for the night of the show Luxury Transportation between the hotel and venue $929 | Purchase this Package Deposit: $499 Travel Pkgs are for 2 people High Time Travel Includes two (2) High Time Tickets as detailed above. Section choice (Floor or Lower Bowl) made at checkout. Hotel Accommodations for the night of the show Luxury Transportation between the hotel and venue $489 | Purchase this Package Deposit: $199 Travel Pkgs are for 2 people Deluxe Travel Seats located in sections 105,119, or 120. Exact seat location will be shared 5 days before show. Hotel Accommodations for the night of the show Transportation between the hotel and venue 2 Limited Edition official Dead 09 T-Shirts and 2 Limited Edition official Dead 09 Show Posters otherwise unavailable $429 | Purchase this Package Deposit: $199 Travel Pkgs are for 2 people Standard Travel Seats located in sections 105,119, or 120. Exact seat location will be shared 5 days before show. Hotel Accommodations for the night of the show Transportation between the hotel and venue $279 | Purchase this Package Deposit: $99 Travel Pkgs are for 2 people The Workingman's Dead Seat locations not yet available. Exact seat location will be shared 5 days before show. Hotel Accommodations for the night of the show Transportation between the hotel and venue
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Philly mail order (GDTS TOO) has $69 tix and $99 tix. Internet pre-sale (Dead.Net) has only $95.50 tix. Is this right? I can save $30 per tic through mail order only? These hundred dollar price tags suck. Two of my old tour brothers and I were going to hit both Philly shows. Revisit the old days. One of them dropped off because he's disgusted with the ticket prices, the other one is currently out of work on disability with a family to support and he just can't swing 100 bones for a show. I'm trying to work something out so the three of us can see just one show. If we can save $30 per tic through mail order, I can probably get them both back on the bus. Can anyone shed some light on why mail order has two price tiers and online pre-order only the upper tier? Thanks brothas and sistas... Searching for the Sound
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I saw that too. I might just go for mail order, I have to consult the peeps and see what they wanna do.
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Make that money$$ boys but I can't spring 100 bucks for a ticket....Not to be a dick but come on...I got laid off on xmas eve WTF and now you guys are charging 100 per ticket!!
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Some people are really struggling to make ends!Here in Michigan unemployment is 9.8% I also assume a few are Dead Heads
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How does one purchase tickets today during the pre-sale?
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What a joke, I thought the Dead were all about bucking the trend and were huge proponents of "change" as evidenced by their recent Obama benefit. Obviously the only thing that has changed about the Dead is their hunger for more money. Thanks alot for letting half of your fanbase down guys, most people I know who wanted to hit some shows now can't afford it.
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I guess the bus needs an overhaul. But seriously, I wonder how much more it costs for a band to play a place like the Spectrum or the Pepsi Center compared to what it cost 5 years ago. This may not be all on the band. Even if it is then so be it. They've given us a lifetime of good times and good music and it may be The Last Time and all you people complaining can do is say that they've sold out... that they've money hungry and they let us down... I know this was probably really bad timing with the economy and all but EVERYTHING costs more than it did 5 years ago. I'm barely scrapping to get 1 ticket. But I'm not going to dog on the band!
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Today is a good day for sure! Let's all put our good energy out there for the website gods...The ticketing site is not very responsive now and only half the country is awake. So let's all band together and think good thoughts!
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The boys should call this tour "All About the Benjamins" With unemployment at an all time high in the country, home foreclosures and everything else, I can't believe the ticket prices.... Hope they don't mind playing for half-full venues.... Never thought I'd be off the bus cuz of prices....oh well...
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I understand it takes alot to move a show from town to town. I also know it's nice to get paid to do something you love to do. For me and I know 95% of Deadheads do tour for the love of the music, not for the love of money. Sure we sell things on lot, but that is to get to the next show, not to retire on. If you are thinking we need to make the money as fast as we can, STOP IT. We are always going to be here for you because we really Love You. I wanted to do Tour again like I did last time, but now will do maybe a couple shows. I will not be buying the tix thru you, but on the lot for $20.00 like so may times before. If I dont get in oh well, theres always the tapes to get me thru. Please don't forget WE DO LOVE YOU "It's like a mighty melody that rings down from the sky"
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People should have seen this coming. I am sure the guys are invested in the same markets that most people are that just took a big dump. Surely they can't play until they are 100. I am disappointed and have cut my tour down to only two shows, but I will get the "price 1" level tickets and hope that I can see the rhythym devils and some bobby kicks...but I doubt it.
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Does anyone know if the Nassau Coliseu show is going to be all GA or are they just doing GA tix on the presale today?
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For $100, they'll be doing it without me. I'll wait to see Phil or Ratdog for $60 at a club, rather than spend $100 for the distant arena experience. This will be the first time I am missing a "Dead" tour in 25 years. I was planning on at least three shows, and taking my wife to a couple.But times are tough, and if the band doesn't understand that, than I don't need to contribute to their pension plan. In this economy, it's absurd for them to charge that kind of money, if the arena's are making them pay that kind of overhead, than they should wait for the shed season. $200 for a pair of Dead tickets is absurd. Good luck with the tour guys, you'll need it. Bleedin' Out http://bleedinout.blogspot.com/ Punk Rock , Garage Rawk & omfug