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I only bought one because I just spent a my nut on Phish's Bakers Dozen. Theoretically, if 750 people bought the 20 copy max, it would be sold out. The 20 limit was insane. Practically most people did not do that. I wish I was able to buy 2 or 3 and trade back for some sets which I only have digital copies of, specifically the other May 77, but whatever. The limited edition will continue to be collectible even with the music only edition out now. People like numbered things for some reason, myself included. Life goes on

even that has vanished now, as well as the convenient individual show set lists.

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Mornin' rockers There seems to be bit too much bad juju going around here on this board. I think some need to take a step back and take a deep breath. I have bought many cds, concert tickets, etc. on ebay. Regardless of the sales price, I never felt like I got gouged or ripped off because IT WAS ME WHO AGREED TO THE SALES PRICE! Nobody forced me to buy. I found what I wanted, at a price I felt was commensurate with the value of the item to me, and I bought it. NOBODY is ever ripped off on ebay. If the price is too much for me, I don't buy. Pretty simple no? And let's also remember ebay is legal. Who among us does not have a cd that someone copied for us? Or did you ever make a copy for someone else? That is illegal. Oh sure. "Everybody does it" does not make it legal. So be careful with your accusations. Isn't this the way it works throughout the market place every day? Sure, I would love a Mercedes, but I cannot afford it. Do I go around complaining about those dirty scumbag German auto makers? Of course not. The price is the price. If you don't want to pay, or can't pay, that is the end of it. I move on. Back in the ancient times of my college days, I used to have more money then my buddy. So when we went out for a midnite run for pizza or subs, I paid. He always said he felt bad that he could not contribute. I told him not to think about it because the money in my pocket could be used for various things, but if I chose to buy him a sub, I was getting my value for the money spent. Sure, I could have bought gas for my car, or another record (!) but I chose to buy him food and that gave me the same amount of pleasure. Not to preach, but another thing that brings a smile to my face is when I see folks on this board comment on how much they think there Dead collection is worth. Remember, it is only worth what someone will pay you for it. So when you see the FW69 box on ebay for $750., that doesn't mean the seller will actually get that. He is asking for $750, but who knows what he will actually get? Rock on

I find this whole conversation funny.Every time a limited something comes out, ebay becomes the devil. There are some people out there (SFN1989) who gouge the fool out of people. There are others who sell their own collection, sell their excess, and ebay is simply a marketplace. There are costs to doing the business and anyone who thinks that you get rich off ebay sales is uneducated. Every sale takes up to 10% off the top for the house, 10% off the shipping fees (again for the house), 2-4% from PayPal. Then there's the costs of shipping materials and such. If you're lucky (?) enough to sell a lot on ebay you get the added bonus of a 1099K form so you can pay income tax on that money. And if you're even luckier, your ebay sales added onto your income from your day job, push you into a new tax bracket. There's ways to buy and sell on ebay without being the demon. I should know, I do it, and I sell a lot and I sell for folks a lot on consignment. It's supply and demand. Personally for me, I'm a completist. What's that mean? Well, I have the 2 CD release of Grayfolded, plus the individual original releases of Transitive Axis, and Mirror Ashes. I also have the Grayfolded Radio Edits. My Dicks Picks collection? Complete, original releases. Not Rhino, Not Real Gone. I upgraded over time. The 2 Dicks Picks Samplers? Got em. The Dick's Dex? Got it. Ask a Corvette collector, does he want an original '63, or a kit car replica? For some, the '63 is the only way to go. Not deep pockets? The kit car. Will each get spurn and disdain from the other? Sure. Is there a market for both? Of course there is. The Europe 72 trunk... sells at a premium on ebay. There's an All Music edition. It also sells for a little more. There's a market for both. And eventually, the factories shut down and stop pressing cd's of the run... so that they can start pressing new stuff. And if they didn't make 4 billion copies, well, then there's not one for everyone in the world. So it's a limited edition, in theory. And eventually someone will resell it, and the price commanded will be the price that one person wants to pay who doesn't have it. The All Music edition is a great way for people to get the music they want.... And Cornell IS a different beast than FW69. People are pissed about FW69 because they missed out and it's so expensive. ... oh well, too bad. Sorry, that's just how it is. I really really REALLY REALLY REALLY fucking REALLY want a black, 1957 Chevy Bel Air. I mean, it's the coolest car ever and I think I should have one. Unfortunately, I was born in 1972, I have 2 kids, a wife, a house, and I don't have enough in my savings to buy one. But I'll be damned that in 1957 a Bel Air model # 2413 didn't cost $2,364.00 new. And I'm pissed off that Chevy doesn't at least make the same car, and put it out now at the same price. Sure it's a 2017 1957 Bel Air... but I missed out and that's not fair. Everyone should drive that car. Sound ludicrous? Ebay also has other purposes rather than people "getting rich". I have done consignment sales for folks who are selling their collections because of financial difficulty, loss in the family, or even just retiring and focusing on other things in life. Most people here a long time know me, I work both sides, I try and get folks a fair deal and not overpay... but a true collector knows that you have to pay sometimes. And for consignment, not everyone is ebay savvy. And it DOES take a lot of time and effort if you do it in an ongoing way. No one who is a long time ebay seller should EVER have expected to get rich off Cornell. That simply doesn't happen. I agree, there's scalper type folks out there now selling at 2-300 a piece. That's wrong... just like I think some stuff some sellers do on a daily basis is wrong (SFN1989). But a lot of folks also just do it for the hobby, to make a few bucks, and to each his own. I have no problem with people making a buck, I do have problems with people gouging other people without folks being informed. Anyway... suffice to say... again, I think this whole conversation is funny. Hadn't posted on here in a long time, but this conversation always sucks me back in. To those who I haven't spoken to in a long time, hope ya'll are doing well. I'm excited about this release.... can't wait. Great stuff.

Gave some of this show a listen last night, and I was really surprised. First of all, it sounds so different from the May 1977 stuff. It seems like Jerry has a different tone on his guitar, and maybe there is not as much reverb used? Anyway, the Playin' is spectacular. It might be the last true stand alone Playin, and in classic '73 fashion it's the first set closer. It's fast, has a meltdown in the middle and when the song materializes at the end again they are just on fire. The Scarlet>Fire also has a different feel to it. Jerry does some really interesting things. Also, Keith is using some interesting effects and sounds throughout the PLayin' and the Scarlet>Fire. Anyway, if you're looking for something a little different, check out this show. It doesn't sound like typical 1977. I guess they were working their way towards that May sound, but this show is just raw. Got to give a nod to Donna's vocals as well. Weir does some strange things too, during the Playin'

I bought this release last Thursday. Yeah it was a struggle for a couple hours but in the long run didn't really effect my life that much. I could really care less if they sold 15,000 or a million of them. Sure I love the music as much as anyone, but my life will not suddenly be less because I didn't get a copy or I cant re sell it for some inflated price. I buy most of the releases that I can afford too. I skipped the TATS box because at the time I couldn't shell out that much. Would have I liked to be able to cherry pick a few of the shows included in the box that I went to or other wise really dug? sure. But that is not being offered. I got over it pretty fast lol. I woke up the next day just like any other day.

What I paid for, was the opportunity to hear these 4 concerts in Normanized Glory. I didn't pay for the book, or the number, or the opportunity to feel special. I'm not trying to be insensitive or smug, but if you paid for those things, then maybe you should consider reallocating your money to something more worthwhile.

i myself can see both sides here. i want everyone to have the music too, but i paid for something Dave told me was a limited run. i hope betty is getting paid.

When they announced this limited release (we can debate the merits to limiting this set in the first place), there were only two possible outcomes. Someone was going to be upset either way. If they did not extend the release beyond the original 15,000, there were going to be thousands of Deadheads shut out from this anticipated release. They would not get to experience these legendary shows without paying an arm or a leg on Ebay. They would lose, not just a product, but an experience. They would lose the ability to LISTEN to a Dead show in the format of their choice. Last I checked, most Deadheads are fans because they want to LISTEN to the band. If they extended the run (as they did), there were going to be those who were upset that their limited copy is no longer limited and therefore "loses value". They can claim that value is not monetary, and that it gives them satisfaction to see a rare item on their shelf, but I suspect most are saddened by their future Ebay profit margin going down the tubes. They're not losing an experience. They're losing an intangible "value" the is solely driven by the secondary market. The Dead were always about listening to and experiencing the music, not staring at memorabilia on a wall or price gouging on the internet. The question is, which of the purchasers in these two scenarios do you sympathize with? Frankly, I can't find the sympathy for those in the latter scenario. And if you are someone in the latter scenario, I ask, what are you losing (besides potential dollars) by this All Music Edition?