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Lotta Poor Man!
Gotta get down to the Cumberland Mine! That's where I mainly spend my time! Make good money $5 a day! Made any more I might move away!Sorry just a rant bored at work
"You ain't gonna learn what you don't wanna know"
Here is an open one: Why does it seem so hard to teach people how to love one another or at the very least, peacefully co-exist? )(I'm just a, well...porpoise.)(
because some people are
because some people are fucking stupid... because deep down the human species ain't progressed one notch in the 5-6,000 years of semi recorded history... you can't teach people anything. they gotta learn on their own. Barlow: You ain't going to learn what you don't want to know So I give you my eyes, and all of their lies Please help them to learn as well as to see And capture a glance, whoa and make it a dance Of looking at you looking at me Hunter: I had to learn the hard way to let her pass by Let her pass by Shut up and listen Or you may never learn Why pigs don't fly Why water don't burn "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
I'm a cynical fuck
I'm a cynical fuck, if you haven't noticed... though I try to keep the dreams that I still believe. peace.
'stupid is as stupid
why you can't teach people
I think that it all boils down to parenting and the values that are taught by your elders.If more people stopped once in a while and actually thought about the hate cycle. You are not born to hate, look at little kids that do not know about races or color yet, they are drawn to other children and all they see is another child, add the hate in the elders and thier opinon changes. Well I do not want to ramble too much on this subject cause it does tan my hide. I was brought up in a home that knew no such prejudice or rasicim so to me everyone deserves the same treatment, we are all human and we all need to get along if we want the world to have a positive outcome for the generations to follow. Peace to all and have a Grateful Day
Well put, Farbie! I will say one thing, one can grow up in a house festering with prejudice and ignorance and still learn how to love. Now I raise my child 3,000 miles from that prejudice and ignorance and it seems to be working well. I do have some guilt over the lack of a bond betwixt the grandparents and the grandchild, but how do you tell your 4 year-old that his grandparents are totally wrong when it comes to such things? Oh, well, I guess I should let go of the guilt. Its their own damned fault for being ignorant and prejudiced. | I'm just a, well...porpoise. |
As someone who teaches ethics,
I think about this question a lot. There are two parts to acting morally: (1) figuring out what the right thing to do in your situation is, and (2) doing it. We tend to be pretty good at (1) in the easy cases which thankfully are the large majority, but patheitcally bad in those tough cases which are our longstanding moral conundrums. In the classroom, I figure that is the one thing I can do -- teach how to think more clearly and systematically about hard questions. But then the big problem is getting people to actually act in kind, caring, thoughtful, humane ways. The key is to develop an active sense of empathy. This can be hard, but I think the arts are one of the best ways. When you listen to so many Dead lyrics, especially Jerry tunes, they are training to care about people who are down or less than attractive, practice taking fictional characters who you would walk past or condemn in a knee-jerk fashion and thinking of them as full-blooded humans.
Hackster: Thanks for lightening this up a bit! Answer: Why is it that meat that is not chicken tastes like chicken? Does it somehow know that humans love chicken and in a reverse-evolutionary spastic fit, it imitates the taste of chicken? I mean, if rattlesnake was a staple (KFS - Kentucky Fried Rattlesnake?) would we be asking why a lot of meat tastes like rattlesnake? A dead animal by any other name would still taste like a dead animal, yes? | I'm just a, well...porpoise. |
Well I see there are exceptions to my theroy. A good thing, there is still hope that people can see the difference and choose the good side.Thank you
All generalizations are false.
Hackster: That, my friend, is awesome. You always come through with one of those 'koan'-like sayings. Thanks! | I'm just a, well...porpoise. |
chicken is imitating all the other meats. Maybe, just maybe, chickens were last in line but somehow became the bigger attention-drawing whores that they are and now everyone compares the other meats to chicken, when in fact the other meats were here first.
You said " You ain't gonna learn what you don't wanna know"
Regarding: Here is an open one: Why does it seem so hard to teach people how to love one another or at the very least, peacefully co-exist? Because of greed, hatred and ignorance and people's grasping and attachment to them. and because they have not realized the following "The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer-- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer." -- Ken Kesey and I tell you, don't get hung up on anything, but stand above, pass on, and be free. --John Thomas what do I know? what would coyote the trickster say? Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.) Walt Whitman-Song of Myself
more meat stuff...
the great samuel clemens (mark twain) once said-"sacred cows make the best hamburger." and, seen on a bumper sticker once- "if god didn't intend for us to eat animals, why did he make them taste like meat?" mmm, mmm good.
hackster: I always thought that bumper sticker should say: "if god didn't intend for us to eat PEOPLE, why did he make US taste like CHICKEN?" Hal R: Those are some fantastic quotes. I've been a big fan of the "journey" as opposed to the destination but I hadn't thought about the stoppage of thinking angle. Thats is a great point. | I'm just a, well...porpoise. |
skenisahen What is the porpoise of life? Couldn't resist... I don't think it is a stopping of thinking, there is always that stirring around. However I think it is the stepping back from the always active "monkey mind" or the analyzing, critical mind and just observing it and then or else getting caught totally involved in the moment and the thinking evaporates. "Be Here Now" as Baba Ram Dass said. I get there through meditation, gardening, physical work, hiking, running, kayaking, immersion in the natural world, playing music and listening and dancing to music, especially the Good Old Grateful Dead. Other people have their ways. Some call it Zen, some call it flow, some don't call it at all. Chop wood, carry water. Listen to the music play. Peace. Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.) Walt Whitman-Song of Myself
sken sez: "if god didn't
sken sez: "if god didn't intend for us to eat PEOPLE,why did he make US taste like CHICKEN?" he-he... hmmm... (to the best of my knowledge) i cannot confirm or deny the latter part of that statement. as fer life... i may be in the minority (on this board)... but i'm a firm believer in the truth of the bible... not the "for-profit" tv preachers, or the "everybody-interprets-it-in-their-own-way" belief... but i believe in an adherance to, and study of, the book. nothing added to or taken away. philosophy/philosophers...? methinks that sometimes "educated" men try to come up with an answer to an equation with too many unknowns.
what is the Shakespear line? 'there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosopy.' something like that. anyway, concerning humans, I think it is important to look back at primates: There is a certain species of monkey that lives on two different islands. The two groups of monkeys that live on the two islands are just alike, the same species, the same basic environments, and hence, the same basic lifestyles, but the two islands are far apart, and the monkeys don’t swim, so there is never any contact between the two groups. One day, on the first island, one of the monkeys somehow makes a discovery that by taking a piece of the fruit which is their main food down to the water and so aking it, it becomes much easier to peel. This is a wonderful discovery, a real breakthrough. Soon, the other monkeys on the island begin to catch on, and learn this helpful new technique. Now, although this species of monkeys may have lived for genera tion upon generation on these two islands without making this discovery, now that it has been done, by the time the hundredth monkey on the first island has learned it, there will be monkeys doing it on the second island as well. the allegedly REAL story: The Japanese monkey, Macaca Fuscata, had been observed in the wild for a period of over 30 years. In 1952, on the island of Koshima, scientists were providing monkeys with sweet potatoes dropped in the sand. The monkey liked the taste of the raw sweet potatoes, but they found the dirt unpleasant. An 18-month-old female named Imo found she could solve the problem by washing the potatoes in a nearby stream. She taught this trick to her mother. Her playmates also learned this new way and they taught their mothers too. This cultural innovation was gradually picked up by various monkeys before the eyes of the scientists. Between 1952 and 1958 all the young monkeys learned to wash the sandy sweet potatoes to make them more palatable. Only the adults who imitated their children learned this social improvement. Other adults kept eating the dirty sweet potatoes. Then something startling took place. In the autumn of 1958, a certain number of Koshima monkeys were washing sweet potatoes -- the exact number is not known. Let us suppose that when the sun rose one morning there were 99 monkeys on Koshima Island who had learned to wash their sweet potatoes. Let's further suppose that later that morning, the hundredth monkey learned to wash potatoes. THEN IT HAPPENED! By that evening almost everyone in the tribe was washing sweet potatoes before eating them. The added energy of this hundredth monkey somehow created an ideological breakthrough! But notice: A most surprising thing observed by these scientists was that the habit of washing sweet potatoes then jumped over the sea...Colonies of monkeys on other islands and the mainland troop of monkeys at Takasakiyama began washing their sweet potatoes. Thus, when a certain critical number achieves an awareness, this new awareness may be communicated from mind to mind. Although the exact number may vary, this Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon means that when only a limited number of people know of a new way, it may remain the conscious property of these people. But there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a new awareness, a field is strengthened so that this awareness is picked up by almost everyone! ********************** I am more of a believer in the 'small circle' of change. if I, as an individual behave and live my life in a certain positive way; then maybe, just maybe... I can influence the small circle of people around me to also behave in a 'humane' way. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% the other version I heard, a bit more cynical ended with something like: by the time the 100th monkey learned to was the potato; the first one forgot why they were doing it; the first monkey stopped washing his potatos, ... gradually all of the monkeys forgot to wash the potatos and they certainly forgot WHY they were washing the potatos in the first place; they ended up eating the fucking sandy potatoes again. seem familiar? ******************* why the fuck do humans repeat the history of war over and over again? why the fuck do some humans spread much much more suffering and hate than love?? OK, back to the music. ( -: peace.
A few questions.
Who what where when how and why?
Thanks for that, CC Joe. I've had several 'spiritual' (for lack of better word) people in the past 15 or so years tell me that I am a 'one hundredth monkey', and I never remember later to look that up. and then the next person says it, and I say, oh wow so-and-so says that too... and still forget to look it up. So what's it mean, to be a one hundredth monkey?
the one hundredth monkey is either too dumb to have caught on sooner. or, the one hundreth monkey is the conduit to causing realization among others on another 'island' if army wives said it, I would wonder if they menat the dumbest. if spiritual people said that, I think it is closer to the second view. and Spacebrother: A few questions. Who what where when how and why? I can try to answer a few of your questions: Who cares? What gives? and Why not? ( -; peace.
Theology and Philosophy
Here are two poems from Lew Wech. THEOLOGY The True Rebel never advertises it He prefers His joy to Missionary Work * Church is Bureaucracy, no more interesting than any Post Office: Religion is Revelation all the wonders of all the Planets striking all your Only Mind. * Guard the Mysteries ! Constantly reveal Them. PHILOSOPHY Never ask Why What Always ask What’s What. Observe, connect and do. The great Winemaster is almost a Magician to the bulk of his Tribe, To his Peers he is only accurate. “He knows the Grape so well”, they say, “He turned into a Vine.” ************ Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.) Walt Whitman-Song of Myself
Can anybody tell me about this Eternally Grateful CD that is being sold at starbucks? I know that it is two discs, including a live and a studio. My question is, why is the CD not being advertised at all by the band? Would I be supporting the band or starbucks if I bought it? And this leads me to an even bigger question....... WHY DOES THE DEAD HAVE A CD BEING SOLD AT STARBUCKS?
'sokay. It's a good question
I will seek clarification from the Rhinos.
How do we stop ourselves turning into our parents?
OK philosophers help me with this one so many people I've known for years are becoming frighteningly 'conventional' in their middle years and saying and doing stuff that they themselves would have despised or laughed at years ago So....... How do we stop ourselves turning into our parents? How do we stop people we love turning into their parents? Or maybe turning into your parents is the natural course of things not so bad? Why does old = conservative for so many people? Does it have to? I need this information, dear deadheads to help stave off an impending midlife crisis!!!!
Cosmicbadger, you are asking a question that I have been asking myself alot recently. The one about "how do we stop ourselves turning into our parents?" Work on this one almost every day, actually, but is really hard not to get bogged down in day to day crap, the same as our parents had to deal with, and deep down what is familiar is comfortable, whether we realize it or not. But first of all, I will tell you that from my own experience, old does not at all have to equal conservative. My father is getting up there in years, and is getting loopier by the day, much to my delight. He is self-confident enough as he gets older, and gives less of a shit what the rest of the world thinks of him, and lives more how he wants than how he thinks he is supposed to. He is working alot on keeping his mind active, learning new things, and expanding his horizons. Has bought himself a computer, and is learning how to send e mails, and is so proud of himself for that. Example in a nutshell. So is my theory that boredom, stagnancy and low-self image=conserevative, and nothing to do with age. Find myself feeling more free to be eccentric as I get older too, so... Keep your mind moving, and your horizons expanding. Keep looking for joy in small simple things, and ENJOY the music, and this can help stave off an impending midlife crisis. Hopefully! Will perhaps get back to this one later when I can make more sense. Have a fever now, so am rambling some and is hard to organize my thoughts while typing.
Hey Tigerlilly fever seems to inspire you...but hope you feel better now. As for my question...well your words ring true. I too feel the need to be more eccentric...the tricky thing is balancing that with keeping organised enough to stay on top of the 'stuff to do' ..you know...work, responsibilities you don't want (as opposed to those you do want), filling out forms for the government, paying the bills. Either you get into trouble if you don't do that stuff, or if you do it , it starts to take you over. All we need is an 'off' button for the eccentric bit to get things done from time to time ...but then real eccentrics wouldn't think that way would they? aaaargh well I'm sitting here waiting for taper's section right now...when I should be sorting out my tax return! QED!
Cosmicbadger, back to this topic after a break, the more organized one is, the less time shitty duties take altogether-leaving more time to do and think about important things. Have learned this lesson from working in a stressful job, from home. Have had to learn how to balance a demanding job where I am responsible for multiple things, child-care, household duties, and fun. Used to be very overwhelming, BUT by doing things that can't be avoided right away, and setting up blocks of time to attend to certain areas, then being ready to throw over those blocks of time on a whim is the only way can manage. Sounds conservative on the surface perhaps, BUT in reality allows alot more mental flexibility than the dread of having too many yukky things hanging over your head does. Allows my mind to be totally free in my free time that I build in. Damn! Don't make much more sense when I DON'T have a fever, so will stop now.
Blues for Allah
I am aware that "Blues for Allah" was a tribute to the murdered Saudi King Faisal (band friend and Deadhead). About 15 years ago now, I saw a film about the Egypt shows and I swear there was something in it about an Egyptian shaykh who was another friend of the band and Deadhead. Maybe I dreamed this; but my recollection is that this shaykh (who may have been connected with a sufi order) helped to arrange the Egypt shows. Does anybody know anything about any of this?
Silly as it Seems ...
~ Something from 40+ years ago... Does anyone here find this as Silly as it Seems...???
________________________________ I thought it was goin' to be a chicken . . .
________________________________ I thought it was goin' to be a chicken . . .
can't speak to the matter of Jerry's Clarks
But at one point he was definitely wearing some Rockports because I had some just like 'em. This was way early '80s though.
cats under the stars
"Time is a stripper, doing it just for you." What do these lyrics mean? If time only teases you. Then, what in the heck does THAT mean?
A Ranked Order of States the Dead Played
I figure soemone probably has this answered. What would the top five states be in order if they were ranked according to the number of times the Dead played shows their? I'm from PA and was thinking it might be top five or even top three, coming in third behind California and New York. All have a great weekend.Cheers, Zachary
Question re: legion of mary
I came across this in the reviews section while listening at archive.org i saw they have a 2 disc set here at the store but i was wondering if this particular recording he refers to is anywhere for a listen? I think i need to explore that alternate universe the poster speaks of for a while - thanks :) ~Subject: Let It Rock I really dig 'Let It Rock', and this is reputed to be the only version ever played by the Grateful Dead. If you want to get your socks knocked off, dig around for recordings of Jerry and Merle Saunders' band, Legion of Mary. Listen to them do this song with brass. I would suggest 1974-11-15 Worcester Polytech. The Marx Medows recording is also stellar, but doesn't cover this song. Great sound! I got it from Furthur.net. The Legion of Mary stuff is incredibly fantastic, jazzy and rocking at the same time, I would say it is some of Jerry's most inspired guitar work and really truly wonderful arrangements of interesting songs. I'm not reviewing this recording, so much as sending out a 'heads up' for those deadheads who might not have discovered Legion of Mary yet, especially Jerry fans, find some and listen, for me it was like discovering a direction the Dead might have gone in an alternate universe that I only wish I lived in. KRISSY~
I checked at furthur.net
but i didn't find it there . . .~KRISSY~
A Ranked Order of States the Dead Played
You could find this in Deadbase. My copy is Deadbase 2 and only covers through 1987. As of then. CA 679 NY 216 PA 67 MA 61 IL 55 CO 39 OR 35 NJ 34 CT 32 MO 30 VA 30 TX 27 OH 27 Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.) Walt Whitman-Song of Myself
I think maybe Ohio came on really strong fom the late 80's till the end. With all the venues they had. Richfield coliseum for example, hosted the Dead Three nights in the spring and three nights in the fall as well as buckeyelake in the summers and so on. Don't have any facts to back me up on this subject though, so that is just my humble oppinion.
The final tally was......
CA 854NY 309 PA 101 MA 84 IL 78 NJ 54 CO 49 OR 48 OH 47 MD 44 FL 39 CT 37 VA 37 GA 36 WI 35 MI 32 MO 32 Canada 30 WA 30 TX 28 NC 27 England 23 IN 22 NV 20 RI 20 Wash DC 17 AZ 16 ME 16 MN 16 KS 11 France 10 West Germany 10 IA 9 LA 9 UT 9 OK 8 HI 7 KT 7 TN 6 AL 5 Germany 5 NE 5 NM 5 Denmark 4 The Netherlands 4 Vermont 4 Alaska 3 Egypt 3 WV 2 ID1 Jamaica 1 Luxembourg 1 MS 1 MT 1 NH 1 Scotland 1 SC 1 Spain 1 Sweden 1
“How do we stop ourselves turning into our parents?
Cosmic badger, I have been thinking about the following that you wrote and have a few thoughts.You said: “How do we stop ourselves turning into our parents? OK philosophers help me with this one so many people I've known for years are becoming frighteningly 'conventional' in their middle years and saying and doing stuff that they themselves would have despised or laughed at years ago So....... How do we stop ourselves turning into our parents? How do we stop people we love turning into their parents? Or maybe turning into your parents is the natural course of things not so bad? Why does old = conservative for so many people? Does it have to? I need this information, dear deadheads to help stave off an impending midlife crisis!!!!” My response is: I think that we are just naturally going to play it safer as we grow older and start to have responsibilities such as a career, a home, a family. Our priorities change and our hormones cool. If we are mature we are caring more for others in some form than when we were younger. But many people start to become closed to others, the world around them, experiences, new ideas and forms of art. We are going to age and have less time to explore as our responsibilities towards others and goals may take up the time we formerly used to explore the world. What I think you are talking about is how do we stay young at heart and open to the world instead of closed. I think we have to keep our minds, bodies and spirits active. We need to continue to explore and see and listen with a sense of awe and wonder to our amazing planet and universe. Here is some of what I try to incorporate in to my life to stay open and young, not with the success I always want but I do make the attempt 1. Regular aerobic exercise, pumping that blood and moving the body. I feel so much more alive after hiking, biking, walking, jogging. The refreshed and open body. 2. Exploring new ideas and art. Reading always and sometimes looking at things outside your normal interests. New music is refreshing. By people new to you. Theater – live people in front of you enacting a story. The refreshed and open mind 3. Some form of spirituality, whether it is Tai Chi, meditation, yoga, communing with nature. The refreshed and open spirit. I do think one thing that makes people old and closed is too much of intoxicants and attachments whether their drug is tv, pot, alcohol, attachment to money and possessions, the list goes on. So having said all this I have concerns about the loss of connection to nature that is increasing in our world and that many of the young have. If I have this and other concerns about younger generations am I becoming old and like our parents? I think not but I do worry about all of us and the young especially becoming so involved in the artificial world of the screen (tv, dvds, games, internet) and ignoring real people and the natural world. Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.) Walt Whitman-Song of Myself
For those who don't know, DeadBase is online. http://www.dharmarose.com/deadbase/dbsearch.html Peace, Richard