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Yeah I mean upon reflection, I'm leaning towards "I'll pass" on this. The fact of the missing 1970 tapes makes anything from 70 highly anticipated and cherished. Already have the 2003 Workingman's with more time-appropriate bonus tracks ... another show from January or February 1970 would have been perfect, followed by a September or November 1970 with American Beauty ... Maybe some future 1970 box will make this all moot but as a standalone release, just don't feel the need for this one. Imho

My bad didn't know they didn't have the cd here, but never fear:

https://www.amazon.com/Aoxomoxoa-50th-Anniversary-Grateful-Dead/dp/B07K…

I have digital copies of Workingman's, but no physical, and I'll be getting these 50th annys until 2039 if I
/we make it that long. I'm not enthused about the bonus for being with this, but I'm going to also get any and all of that Port Chester run if released. Not my favorite era or anything, but they played exceptionally well at those, despite the unexpected and sudden loss of Mickey after the first night. His dad had absconded months before, so they must have felt pretty blindsided. And they debut all those future classics, Wharf Rat getting the most sublime debut of all, and all captured by Betty in 16 tracks. My one actual disappointment is no filler material on the album disc. No outtakes, no remixed versions. But, like I said in my previous, I done bought it anyway.

....no physical. Click the drop down box. ALAC and FLAC only.

HI All, I hope everyone is healthy and safe. I have been occupied with work (remotely) and I recently relocated as well. So I haven't been able to keep up with the comments on the DaP 34 page or with PM's. I did see this and I have already placed my order.

Now with me eagerly awaiting DaP 34, I have been anticipating the anniversary releases of Workingman's and Beauty, I thought similarly as all of you: I thought we would get a 1970 show or assorted live material from that year. I recently rewatched the Festival Express and on that viewing I watched the 'Making of" featurette which oddly I had never viewed before. In that featurette it was explained that they drew the concert footage for the film from 30 hours of footage which included all acts like The Band, Janis, Buddy Guy and of course the Good Ol' Grateful Dead. So I had this glimmer of hope that somehow Dave L and the crew got a hold of the Dead's portion of that footage and that we were going to get the audio from that as a bous for Workingman's and Beauty. If anyone follows Sam Cutler on FB he shared some video from one of the stops on that circuit of a Lovelight. So there is definitely the potential that this material could see the light of day ( or at least the light of our days) someday.

However the trend has been for other releases to go for the Betty Boards. I am fairly positive that all of 71 Capitol Theater shows are Betty Boards. I think because of that and the fact that many of Workingman's tunes were played on 2/21/71 resulted in this being the choice. Plus it doesn't hurt that the whole show fits on 2 discs. It makes for a nice 3 CD set.

Plus as the good Doc has said 2/21 flies under the radar as a sleeper good show. I think we have a fine addition to our collections.

Never forget.

"This one"s for Bobby Sands"

Multi-track source would seem a logical direction and I imagine they'll sound more spectacular than any previous copies in circulation.

With newly remastered sound will be nice for completionist who need every version of WD.

I imagine Doc likes this one a lot. Thanks for your front line duties btw during this time.

Just noticing the ax, apron, dog suit, Carhartf jacket ect....I thought you guys were kidding.

I could really use a leathermans tool too, but that's kind of steep. It would be a fancy one to have but would be afraid to use it. Kinda cool though.

I detect that some punters here are disappointed with the choice of show for the bonus. If this show was released as a Dave's Pick or, being a multi-track recording, as a standalone release then I suspect that the majority would be overjoyed. I see it for what it is - a fine show from '71 being released for the first time. What is there not to like? And you get a newly remastered copy of Workingman's Dead as a bonus. Just depends how you look at it.

I have no idea what this show has to do with Workingmans, it has more to do with the unreleased, unrecorded, unplanned 1971 album that never was. It's my favourite run from spring 71 though. I don't think I've bought a release since E72 but I reckon I'll get this.

SIMONROB, you are quite right, I was disappointed when I saw this yesterday, but on the understanding that they may not have the abundance of suitable 1970 shows for release, I am more than happy to be getting another fine vintage show from 1971. Maybe they are saving something from 1970 for American Beauty, I will keep on keeping on (hoping) I have ordered the 3 CD version of Workingman's, it will keep the other 3 versions company that I already have of it.
Did someone mention somewhere that there is another copy of the Newcastle Under Lyme Festival Show surfaced?

The 3CD Deluxe Version and the T-Shirt.

Between WD and these two could possibly cover the rest of the '71 multi-track shows.

Then we have Bear's Choice and the rest of the Feb 70 FE run. Would love to see that mega Allman/Dead Lovelight get officially released. An uncut version would be a nice upgrade.

I want to purchase a high quality vinyl release of this record and don't know whether I should get the newly remastered 50th or the 2011 reissue. I know with the 2011 reissue the vinyl was cut from the original analog masters and mastered by Chris Bellman . Does anybody know if that is the case as well with this?

Caviar? Cool!

Wait! This is Ukrainian caviar! Why isn't this RUSSIAN caviar?

CHEF! Why are you foisting this Ukrainian caviar on us?

Don't you ever once think of the _diners_?

Well, I certainly won't pay for UKRAINIAN caviar. Hmmph!

The description above says “original album with newly remastered sound”, so it probably sounds different than the 2011 version

(Goofy's laugh)

Unless I'm missing it, I don't see the 50th released as a true vinyl, just picture disc. In my experience picture disc always sound like shit. Just throwing this thought out there. For the record, I bought both. They were "LIMITED" man!

A few years ago I planted an almond from seed that originated at a friends very old almond tree up in K-town/2nd Mesa, NorAz .
It was almost killed by deer and I put a shroud /cage around it and saved it. It took hold and started growing real good but no sign of blossoms. Someone told me I needed a second almond tree. I went ahead and planted a 2nd almond tree and now I have the Almond Brothers..
The first half of the story is true.

....that they are calling the Peekaboo virus. Doctors are sending anyone with peekaboo straight to ICU.
Almond Brothers and vinyl answer. HA!!

There was a holdover "fruit" tree by the house - leaves like a peach, flowers like an apricot, healthy in terms of growth, but years never bore fruit and I figured it was a sterile hybrid of some sort. last year town escaped having the usual late frost that knocks out the apricots and peaches. to my surprise, the mystery tree had lots of developing fruit, but they weren't fleshy. looking at it one day puzzled, and then think need to google what an almond tree looks like. and to my surprise, it was an almond tree! i got to eat some and let the scrub jays feast on the others. as Strider mentions, they typically need another almond tree to fertilize, but there is at least one self-fruitful variety. i'm not aware of another almond brother in the neighborhood, still a mystery. this year we got a series of freezes in April - no apricots, peaches, almonds, but yes to Montmorency Cherries and Seckel Pears!

And sign me up for the Workingman's 50th release! Some of that swag looks interesting - def like that VGUY hatchet.

....he was too far out.

Has a wicked rip-tide. Pulls people out to sea every year. In 92 I swam out past the 4’-6’ break and when I turned around the shore was a 1/4 mile away and I was moving out fast.I remembered not to swim directly against the current so I swam diagonal to the shore. After about 45 minutes I finally made it and just about crawled on to the beach.
I think Zipolite means beach of the Dead.
True story.

:)))

sorry typo, it was 5-7 vs 5-9 just hit the wrong number. 5-6-70 was the show they did in response to the Kent state shootings. 4 dead in Ohio. Those were hard times back then, Nixon was hell bent on stopping the anti-war movement, even calling the students "bums", after Kent state, we never knew if it was safe to take a walk and protest anymore.

Nice Avatar, Unkle.

While I have found your belief about picture discs to be true, recently I have picked up a couple new ones that tell me they may have improved the technology

I could be wrong it's happened once or twice, I don't think the live albums are part of the 50th release

That he was a murderer with blood on his hands. Who belonged to an organization that was every bit as evil as Ian Paisley. And the UDA/UFF

I won't touch that bait.
I was caught in a riptide once in the 70's, it was a terrifying ordeal and one that I would not want to repeat. My then wife and I swam and swam and swam, only to continue to be pulled out to sea, we ended up almost a mile from where we entered the ocean, I could not move I was so exhausted, I don't go into the ocean anymore, it's filthy anyway and the beach is highly overrated.
Thanks Jim, check this one out. I still have these old posters.
Confucius say woman who drink beer on beach gets sand in schlitz.

"Is this the MPLA
Or is this the UDA
Or is this the IRA
I thought it was the U.K."

Best response. The pistols probably are the best representation of the state of the UK and the hopeless feeling the British people felt in late 1970's. Not just the innocent people of Northern Ireland caught between Paisley and Adams but the people of the main island being assaulted by Union thugs like Scargill and let down by their loser leaders Heath & Callaghan. I was at a party in the early 80's and met the brother of the young constable who was one of those killed by the "accidental " bombing of Harrods. He had given up and left. And while they had their own controversies leaders like Thatcher and Blair brought their countries and parties back from the abyss that the political cowards from all 3 parties more interested in staying in power than taking chances the controversial ones finally did and gave Britain back its self respect. Thank you Johnny Lydon/Rotten Sid GlennSteve and Paul for speaking the truth

Workingman's Dead Dylan's new one and FZ'S new 4 CDs of the 1970 50th. We have some good stuff coming

2/21/71 easily makes this worth the price of admission. Workingman's Dead is a masterpiece, & I'm looking forward to hearing this newly mastered version, notwithstanding the other remastered versions that others have mentioned. I'll opt for the high resolution FLAC.

I don't know if this has been mentioned in the many prior comments (if so, sorry for the redundancy). It would have been nice to include Mickey Hart's remix, released on DVD with both stereo and 5.1 versions, dolby digital and 96/24 MLP lossless (for anyone with a compatible DVD audio player). Perhaps this could have been on a blu ray deluxe edition. Ditto for Mickey's 5.1 remix of American Beauty. Both released in 2001. Mickey's mix is a joy, and he did add back in some bits and pieces in a few places from the session tapes that didn't make it in the released version. For anyone with special interest in this recording, seek out Mickey's version. You will not be disappointed. It was released as Warner Bros (Rhino) R9 78356. American Beauty was Warner Bros. R9 74385.

Snafu -living in the North of England during the 1970s and 80s, it didn't feel like Thatcher brought back the countries self respect. The queues at the dole office, where I worked from 1981, stretched round the block when I arrived at 8.15am to start work on Monday morning. And it got worse as the decade progressed. Unemployment - poverty - homelessness - a land fit for heroin.
I am also not sure what the Sex Pistols would have thought about being lumped in with establishment leaders like Thatcher and Blair. They were a great hot headed rock band barely out of their teens - nothing more or less.
And to credit "Sid" with having anything to do with promoting truth is absurd. He was only drafted into the band for his image - the poor sod could barely stand up, let alone play a musical instrument. He had nothing to do with Anarchy in the UK.

The coming of Thatcher resulted in more division in the country than already existed. It was one of the main reasons that I chose to leave the country. Does that count as self-imposed exile? Whatever. When she died not so long ago there was much celebration in certain sections of society, even some street parties, and not without reason. As for Blair, the only thing that interested him was Blair. The Sex Pistols could hardly be construed as purveyors of the truth. They did capture the mood of hopelessness and rebellion that the disenfranchised youth felt at that time, largely due to the policies of Thatcher and Blair.
As for the Irish situation, I'm not prepared to make any observations on that.
Enough of politics, this isn't the place.

Again, you have to mention new stuff. I told you I'm unemployed and living on the wife dole. But noooooo, you have to bring up the Frank Zappa's new 4 cd collection from the 70's. (his family's collection anyway, he's dead you know) So now we got Frank coming, we got new Bob Dylan coming (I better be rough and ready if the wife finds out AND that bastard better not release Bootleg Series 16 anytime soon, let me tell you!!!), the Workingman's Dead shit, sans axe thank you. (truth told if the damn wasn't 120 bucks,,, I have an axe coming in the mail and I mount it in a glass front box labeled "in case of dead break glass".

Oh, BTW, Mr. Dylan, you FORCED me to by the mp3 single of Murder Most Foul, than you have the balls to release an album that it's on. Bastard, I would have waited for album and let the mp3 single slide. That 2 bucks could have went to my wife's heart meds. I NEVER get a break!

Thatcher and England - I don't know shit, but I thought V for Vendetta was written during the Thatcher years when there was talk about rounding up all gays in England under her. I thought Ian Paisley just made that ugly pattern for men's ties?

Just saw it

Never a favorite of mine. Impressive pompadour. Made it to 87.

All a matter of taste - I still think the records he made in the 1950s are electrifying. And anybody looking for truth in rock n' roll lyrics would be well advised to check out "Tutti Frutti". I'm not sure anybody put it better.

KEY to rock n roll

Got a gov
Name Jay
Sez "at home you stay"

But no worries it's a free country and you can believe what you want even if you don't have the facts to back up those opinions. But I draw the line at dissing the Pistols. God Save the Queen obvious, Anarchy in the UK obvious, Bodies abortion, EMI obvious, Holidays in the Sun rich Europeans enjoying cheap vacations on the backs of people suffering under that obscenity socialism/ Communism. Anyone for Venezuela? Anybody who didn't recognize the Pistols as the 70's musical version of Lenny Bruce just wasn't paying attention

Daverock ha you're right about Sid but as you say he was only the face Lydon Cook And Jones wrote the songs. No less an authority than Rolling Stone ( sarcasm ) put Bollocks at # 2 right behind Pepper on their top 100 lps years ago. Me there is no doubt they got it reversed. As for the politics....old battles not worth fighting

Snafu...I wasn't personally dissing the Pistols I hope you realise. I saw them in 1976 and they were a breath of fresh air. I got all their first 4 singles a soon as they were released, though even today I have never heard their album. But they were what they were...a rock band. I didn't look to them for political instruction. Or any kind of instruction. Just a great singles band who got lucky. Apart from Sid Vicious, obviously.

I too at first thought that was a bit odd. Yes they’ve gone with stuff that didn’t match the year, but still?
Of course the lack of 70 tapes is a factor, but you’d think there’d be something? Then I thought that since there’s no album anniversaries next year, perhaps they thought they’d use a 71 for one reissue and perhaps then a 70 for AB?
Just a thought, personally don’t really care as not my favorite era. I’m sure it will be a great release and I’m usually down for any killer multi-track shows. Been spending time with V3 after its pick of the day recently. It’s been growing on me as most dead does if I give it enough time. So bring it!
Also, as someone mentioned, wonder if there trying to release some of the PC run individually so later they can do a smaller box?
So what for 50th WOF, Mars, and Blues? Plenty of fall 73 for WOF, perhaps that W&M show with horns etc? 74/Mars no idea? Blues should be one of the 75 shows if possible...

With Workingman's Dead we're getting a '71 show as the bonus. Maybe we'll get a '72 show as the bonus with American Beauty. I think this is possible because the following 50th anniversary release will be Wake of the Flood from 1973. This will probably have a 1973 show as bonus. Bad news that we will have to wait the best part of 3 years for Wake of the Flood 50th. All this is just supposition of course.

Hey rockers!!!

How about these:
For WOTF: 2/15/73 or 2/19/73
For MH: 6/30/74 or 7/25/74
For BFA: 3/2/75

Just sayin'...………………

Rock on,

Doc

I agree 100 percent that the Mickey re-mix of WD would have made a swell addition to this anniversary release. Why not? It was only available on the DVD-audio version a long time ago. Those mixes are really interesting, and feature parts originally left on the cutting room floor. Did I already say all of this? Sorry! It bears repeating. Go find that mix and the one of AB too. A debate could be had about messing around with perfection, and I get that. It IS like painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa, IF the original remained intact. And it does lift the veil of mystery a bit, revealing that what we think of as sacred can actually be manipulated. That bubble is popped. What if they just gave US digital access to the multi-tracks? That would be amazing.