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    In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.

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    it is a bit over the top. Please chlll and read the topic header again. Thanks.
  • trailbird
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    I find your "joke" about Catholic priest to be very sick and disgusting you think you know it all ? Well good for you, but i'd say you've some serious problems and I hope that whatever it is you believe in will help you with them.
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    I have a butler with his left arm missing; serves him right.
    Well, that guy has nothing to do with the devil, whatever your interpretation of that is. This a construct of the church to get you to hand over the dollars. You need an image, a hate figure to coerce other human beings into seeing things "your" way. What better way to terrorise and instill fear into people, especially children, than to put forth the concept of Hell. Gets them and their wallets back in the building. Same with this War On Terror; designate a villain and shove them down people's throats on a regular basis. Keeps them distracted from the truth. And yes, just like you don't have to go to church to be a Christian, you don't have to be a Christian to go to church and you don't have to be Anything to follow the real message of compassion and love for all. I think once you throw in your lot; once you "join" something or say you belong to a particular group, or call yourself a "something", then you've immediately placed limitations on your life, spiritual or material. I don't know why people insist on labeling. As you say, the core message and your actions are THE important thing, absolutely paramount. I believe that if you call yourself by a name you'd better live up to it. I don't understand this vague attachment to a religion. If you are going to follow something, follow it all the way, to the letter. As the Dalai Lama said, there are many followers of Buddhism but not many practitioners. The "Casual Buddhist" another classic invention of the lazy and insincere. And strange things certainly abound in Christianity. "So i was performing an exorcism on the boy, when the Devil made the very good point that, being a Catholic priest, i've probably been inside more children than he has. Touché Satan." Stick to the message folks, not the corporate companies that spout it.
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    Amen, Brian
    I agree....he wouldn't be hangin' out wif the tele-evangelist types either, and you don't have to go to "church" to be a Christian (even though I do, sometimes daily).....
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    What's so special about Jesus ?
    Ask the Devil. Some guy in Medford today stabbed his wife and four children to death then set the house on fire andf tried to kill himself, he's in the hospital in stable condition. Jesus never had much fondness for the "religion" he witnessed, he was morer apt to be found on a mountain teaching and healing in a very non-religious way. I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and I will warn you that if you become a Christian you will have to deal with some very strange things, but there is also a lot of beauty and peace to be found, even if you don't go to church.
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    I agree on so many points
    I think it can boil down to ...Religion doesn't corrupt people, people corrupt religion....they twist it to their own needs and ends.......
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    If we are all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?
    As i look around me everyday; my own community and the world at large, traveling in space and our own mental projections of "reality", i consistently wonder one thing: should not Religion carry a warning?In an age where natural plants are considered illegal and damaging to society (and i am talking NATURAL plants, put here by God, or whatever you believe in. Personally i DO believe there is a God, but not necessarily in the form we've come to understand and perpetuate), shouldn't we be concentrating on according that same silly application to Religion too? Don't get me wrong, i would rather everything was open and free but if one is to be restricted, how about applying it to something that has harmed many more people all throughout time? I am with the Dalai Lama in a way; it is not Religion itself that is harmful, but some of the people who practice it. There are an incredible amount of human beings who follow their own Religion, in a peaceful, ecumenical manner, excluding no one, hurting no one; all embracing and judging not a soul. But then a huge amount of people have also used psychedelics and natural entheogenic remedies and have behaved the same. The minority ruining it for the majority? Not in Religion's case i feel. Here is where the comparison ends. Appalling abuse and injustice has been done in the name of Religion, stretching back centuries. Even well-meaning missionaries have made a contribution by raping the local culture and their beliefs; food, water, education and clothing with strings attached. Animist or doctored bible? Who's to say what's right and suits the inhabitants' spiritual needs? And this does apply to all Religions too; ever since 9/11 Islam is the big demon in public consciousness. What about Christianity? George Bush had the nerve to sign off his public addresses during this time (when he bothered to) with the words "God Bless America". Why is this acceptable? Since when did ANY God believe in greed, power, exhortation and torture? How DARE you use God's name to advocate and demand vengeance, brutality, rape and subjugation? Centuries ago, Islam had much in common with Christianity; they exchanged lots of spiritual ideas and felt a close kinship. Middle Eastern scholars were far more advanced in astronomy, mathematics and philosophy and the texts are there to prove it. And let us not forget the recent cover-up and just plain DISGRACEFUL behaviour of the Vatican regarding the abuse of children. Anyone, with any hint of humanity, compassion and sincerity; an understanding of the texts they so smugly quote, that they are ALL too happy to remind us of, would fall to the floor in shame; would cough up their guts and intestines with absolute horror and demand the most vivid, piercing investigation and would loudly decry and INSIST on a sharp and total JUSTICE. Certain people love to tell you that it was different back then, especially in the UK/Ireland; it was a time when we didn't know how to handle such a thing. Oh, well, that's okay then. BULLSHIT. You chose not to on purpose. Society wasn't retarded in the '50's. You knew about justice for murderers and homosexuals but a scandal in the Church? Perish the thought.... With the disproportionate amount of sickening wealth that the Vatican owns, i guess those law suits and loss of insurance polices overweighs any moral judgment. Religion and true Spirituality has been corrupted. Sometimes out of well-intention to be fair; the fact that the words "spirituality" and "spirit" have been reduced to either bible-bashing, apocalyptic money-hungry loons or worse still, the dreadful "New Age" movement has distorted such a fundamental part of our very being is devastating. Again, i understand that buying a few crystals or owning a Dream Catcher or listening to whale song CDs is not necessarily harmful, but it does twist the sheer magnitude and transcendental power that the true Soul and the Spirit contains. Attaining awareness and enlightenment IS scary; it should be. Their are many realms we still do not fully understand. We have encased ourselves in a protective layer of transparent beliefs that allows us to get away with anything our materialistic heart desires. We have an excuse for any behaviour. I realise that some people are trying hard and that we ARE only human beings with many frailties and faults. But i'm dismayed and disillusioned when "dipping our toes" or reciting a quick prayer is considered as spiritual understanding. I do not mean this as facetious in ANY way, but truly, from the bottom of our hearts, would anyone really disagree that less time spent kneeling and praying, and more time spent volunteering in soup kitchens, in impoverished countries around the globe, in homeless shelters, in AIDS clinics would be of far more benefit to our fellow brothers and sisters? I mean if its talking the talking time, shouldn't there be some walking involved? Couldn't the Vatican, Islamic institutions of power, Buddhist temples and the like use some of that money to actually invest in humanity? Do they REALLY need such an accumulation of wealth? And lastly, i am NOT mocking ANYONE who has prayed or turned to God or the Church or wherever and whomever in their desperate times of need; some of us should be so lucky that we haven't lost loved ones to violence and abuse. My respect and compassion is always with you. But don't we have the duty to teach and instruct our relatives and the next generation of fellow beings about the REAL meaning of Spirit? In case we do them a disservice that causes more harm than good? We are all one and have wisdom to share; Hinduism, Sikhism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Methodist, Baptist, Mormons and more. (Not you Scientology or Soka Gakai; you are NOT religions or in any way Spiritual. You are manipulative idiots). I guess it's that dreadful need to "fit in"; something we the ability to do naturally yet we've lost over time. Once you align yourself with any "group" it will inevitably create a divide. There's so much common ground yet we can't help ourselves. That's just what it seems it breed. We don't HAVE to join a particular "society" or Religion; we can just do good. We don't have to pay for it, we don't have to fear. We don't have to throw in our lot because of outside pressure or conformity. We can just do good. We can look after others that are less fortunate. We can volunteer to help. We don't need a label. Amount of destruction caused by Psychedelics or organised Religion? You decide.
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    Small wheel turn by fire and rod: big wheel turn by the grace of god. Ev "ry time that wheel turns "round. bound to cover just a little more ground. :)
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    yeah, yeah...
    that comic spinkercity......'at's what I meant...(~};=
  • marye
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    what johnman said!
    talk about cosmic synchronicity! well done!
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In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.
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What is POTUS please??********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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President Of The United States And the road goes on forever.... BobbaLee
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DUH! Silly me! thanks BobbaLee********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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I found this entire thread interesting, entertaining, and inspirational. My own spiritual beliefs have changed over time. I used to belive that heaven and hell were places beyond the earth that we would all arrive at sometime after we passed on depending on how we lived our lives. I have come to believe that the ideas of heaven and hell are metaphors for what we feel or become as a result of our actions while we live here on earth together. Entheogens gave me a new perspective; I felt a palpable "kinship" to everything around me. My mind told me that I was connected to everything else because I and most everything around me was composed of mostly carbon and water, that all of the atoms I was made of came from something or someone before me, that all I was made of would pass on to someone or something else eventually, atomic soup. My first mind-blowing ego-busting experience with entheogens carried me into another realm of awareness which I can't put into words, though I try. I believe that beyond the physical being, somewhere between dreams and hope, there is a pure light inside of all of us. I miss the joyful glorious Grateful Dead Shows! Thanks to all those who have shared their experiences and beliefs. -sludj
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Artist: The Beatles Lyrics to Fixing A Hole: I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in And stops my mind from wandering Where it will go I'm filling the cracks that ran through the door And kept my mind from wandering Where it will go And it really doesn't matter if I'm wrong I'm right Where I belong I'm right Where I belong See the people standing there who disagre and never win And wonder why they don't get in my door I'm painting my room in a colourful way And when my mind is wandering There I will go And it really doesn't matter if I'm wrong I'm right Where I belong I'm right Where I belong Silly people run around, they worry me And never ask me why they don't get past my door I'm taking the time for a number of things That weren't important yesterday And I still go Fixing a hole where the rain gets in Stops my mind from wandering Where it will go **************************************** And after fixing this whole, nothing lies in between! I'm taking the time for a number of things...
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I don't know how many millions Harold Camping spent on billboards advertising today as "judgement" day but I know it would have been much better if he had just donated the money to soup kitchens. See you tomorrow.
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just the occurrence of the "Rapture". Actual judgement day comes later, after the Apocalypse....of course, nothing has happened yet, and only He knows when it will, but yeah, dude shoulda made better use of his money..
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From a Christian perspective Jesus said that no one, not even him, knows the time except God the Father. That's why I don't get Christians who predict the end of the world! Whatever you believe you should be spending your time loving yourself and your fellow human beings "as yourself". That way it doesn't really matter! I plan to be checking back in tomorrow!
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And Ahnult is rather busy right now with his five kids, nanny & Maria Ave, Ave, Ave Mariiiiia! Been chipping up rocks from dawn till doom While my rider hides my bible in the other room
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and I just lost my temper. But I don't feel it's right to belittle anyone's spiritual or religious views.....this forum should be for honest discussion and sharing, so please excuse my response..
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groundrules pretty clear in this topic, please don't do this stuff here. Thanks. In current events, have at it, within reason.
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Now I remember why I don't go to church. Equate religiosity with being grim if you want. Banning others from doing so is just fascist and adds to your own ego. Been chipping up rocks from dawn till doom While my rider hides my clown mask in the other room
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I love a good joke as well as the next person, but humor at the expense of other's beliefs just feels wrong to me. My apology came from the heart, I'm sorry you can't accept it in the spirit it was given, please excuse me.
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I can vouch for Johnman enjoying a GOOD joke! :) Here's a cooky.********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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I'm not a facist, and my ego is too small to bother feeding...and I AM sorry. Forgive me, please, Anna??
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The point is that due to the difficulty of this thread topic, we have done a good job thus far (mostly) with keeping it interesting, civil, and kind. Perhaps Johnman was nerveous that if we start making cracks in here, all hell could break loose. This is really about the most delicate thread on this site. Crack all you want-but it would be wiser to do so in other threads :) As our mod marye said, the news and current events thread would be the better place for Arnold comments. The spiritual thing to do would be to accept Johnman's apology! :) ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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it would've been a pretty hysterical post. But context is everything. Hey, it doesn't belong in tape traders either.
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What we need to do is to wrtite out what you're thinking, and then go explain what you meant by each and everyone of those words. Because even if you just want to keep the train rolling,and are doing it with a loving and egoless heart, or just trying to be funny, some people are just going to look for the worst in everything. If I thought about all the possible meanings people would come up with for everything I post before I posted it I'd never post anything. Forgive and forget,tomorrow's another day,
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I should have said, sometimes people are just..., instead of "some" people... happens when you have a lack of communication, I've done it too.
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about the moving along and tomorrow being another day.
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Too bad Dead,net can't, don't ever remember religion being a big topic at Grateful Dead shows, thank God.,But if you ever want to divide people,great forum.
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read the title piece.....we come in all beliefs, or none....and that's the point...believe it if you need it, if you don't jus' pass it on...makes perfect sense to me..........
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spam post! I will go and seek it out. Meanwhile I will see if it generates any interesting riffs here.
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am also curious. Find the idea of Jeans for Jesus to be absolutely bizarre!!!!!!!********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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that I can think of several jokes about this company's name. Jeans so tight you see God when you wear them? Also the spam is very poorly written-maybe while they were designing True Religion jeans they forgot their English? ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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that was not the idea, but I am not exactly hip to these fashion trends.
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that one cannot be concurrently into fashion and Jesus, but it hardly seems respectful, as others have pointed out, to go around wearing one's preferred sacred symbol on one's butt.
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guess I am not hip either, cuz never heard of this brand before today!********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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Hello to johnman, tigetlilly, maryeI miss my extended GD family here. Peace and love is the answer no matter what the clothing of belief system they wear. Still Missing Jerry. Furthur coming to Missoula in Sept., got tickets. How rare for any form of the Dead to appear around here. But they are. Hope nobody throws a beer bottle at them, which is what happened the only time the Grateful Dead came to Missoula. Well those plastic cups don't make very good missles, so they should be safe If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Nice to see yer still kickin'.....are you still on the dry side of Washington?.....and, again, God Bless All Here....even the spam faced spammers..
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Am smiling from ear to ear to see you posting!! Enjoy Further! ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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Man I'd sure like to make it to Missoula... whoops, this is the religion thread... "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Bless my stupid keyboard..
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I religiously hope I can make it to Missoula ... heehee "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Music is spiritual, so you aren't off topic JackStraw and yes Johnman, I am still here on the other side of the Cascade Curtain. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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is that it didn't show up yesterday, when I deleted the spammer and several of his other posts!
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in "my web site", and "cosmic connections"...at that point I stopped looking, but I'll wager it's in "gainful employment" and a few others....including the vines.......
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sucker probably just went down the list....
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okay, I'll take a look.