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I've been laid up for a month so have just been watching the seaside chat for DP44 and the 26 minute listening party. Can't say I recall if I've heard this show before but I'm really looking forward to it now. I see it has still not sold out yet.
I must say I think Dave has done a fine job with his four picks for 2022 with something for everyone and they have all sounded superb. Roll on next year's subscription and hopefully a couple more box sets.

Sorry you missed out on Dylan DaveRock. Might sound ghoulish but I waded straight in and bought tickets thinking it’s unlikely I’ll see him again. Here in Nottingham on Friday. Just hoping I’ll recover quickly from Covid first…

I look forward to seeing your comments on the Dylan show in Nottingham.
PS - Get better!

FrankParry - yes, it will be good to hear what it was like. Hope you make a quick recovery - with none of this long covid. to contend with.

I've also been saying 3-9-81 sounds a tad bit fast.
Cassettes are prone to that. Does Plangent only fix the wobbles?
Not ghoulish Frank, after all we are on the Grateful Dead site.
And Halloween is around the corner.
I felt exactly the same way when seeing GD in PHX in 1994.
During the second set of 3-6-94 I distinctly remember feeling that either Jerry or I wouldn't be around all that much longer. Or at least that shows weren't what they used to be for me. Somehow I'm still here. Although I can't say I've treated myself much better than Jerry did. Just lucky I guess. And grateful.
Cheers

I rec'd a new pair of sunglasses that made me laugh. Had to over-share........... (Let's see if this works...)

....I recognize that guy! Nice shades.
Get better Frank Parry. My step-daughter got covid and she almost died. To all the losers out there, saying "Its just the flu", I'm going to assume no loved ones of yours were effected by it. Must be nice to be so ignorant. Selfish assholes, the lot of you.
Oh. And just so you dumbasses know, a vaccine is not a cure. Sheesh.
Conservatives regarding the covid vaccine. "My body, my choice."
Also Conservatives regarding abortions. "Your body yes, but not your choice because Jesus. Raped? Incest? Oh well. You should have been more careful. Let's throw out some bounties while we're at it." Evangelicals are the worst.
Get out there and vote like your life depends on it. Because it does. And dont be intimidated. They will say the elections were stolen anyway if they lose. Check out the drop box "watchers" in Arizona. It's already happening.
My political rant for the month. Hope you all have a grate Sunday.

Your rant is refreshing and worth repeating. In nine days we can get back to tape speeds and that stuff.

Sports...

At least the Seahawks won.

....yeah. Can I be coach please?

Re: VGUY72's commentary..........

Go VGUY, Go!!!!

....10.22.22. Althea.
That was very, very nice. TAB horns and background vox.
It's on the toob. I suggest you go there. Just sayin'

And this from the Guy who pointed out that others were going off topic ! I guess it depends who you are as to whether what you say is considered acceptable or not.
I'd rather see a post about tape speeds than be subject to someone blowing off about abortion or covid/vaccines.

Hey man, I can understand you not wanting to hear about what you just said being that you live across the pond and it really doesn't affect you. On the other hand, this is Amerika and we say what we feel here, sometimes it isn't what others want to hear, but I can understand Vguy's rage. I don't live where you do so I don't know if there are others who feel the way Vguy does where you live but here, it's a pretty big deal. Midterm elections are coming and freedom is on the ballot, I agree with Vguy's rant, we need more like him, stand up and shout it out for all to hear Vguy. These anti everything that are out there saying elections are rigged and votes don't count have got to be stopped for they are the voices of our downfall.
Wonder what Dave's next pick will be? I haven't a clue.
no captcha, far out

"MAY HE BURN IN HELL!"

Those kind of statements have no place here, people.

10/6/80
Listen on archive. High energy.

The Dolphins won despite the "shoulda gone for the field goal" moment last night.

....are you sure that was me? Because I don't recall ever saying that.

proudfoot I don't recall anyone writing that on this site before.

But sense you did lets just say vote. Take a friend to vote, take your lover to vote, take your neighbor to vote, take your mother or father or brother or sister or auntie or who ever to vote. Voting is easy, it's good for the country and it's fun.
Just trying to lighten it up a bit folks. Peace

Not selling like hot cakes I see...

From the listening party Stranger, it sounds like Jerry is kind of buried in the mix, and absolutely not the first time I've heard that on a remastered release. Take the slipknot from 10/12/83 off the recent box, for example. Not sure if I'm the only one who feels like this, but isn't a lead guitar supposed to "lead"? Obviously I understand the whole ethos of the Dead's music, that they were going for a more united sound, but it seems kind of detractive for Bob's "rhythm" notes to be overshadowing Jerry's lines. I understand that Norman mixes the remaster democratically, but again, what's a lead guitar for if not for the spotlight? I read once that Norman doesn't raise Jerry's levels on any remaster because "he was already loud enough", but if you're normalizing the levels across the board, he just gets lost in the fray. Another thing I wanna point out is that Jerry wasn't the leader of the grateful dead, he always made a point of shying away from that, but let's be honest, who was the one people deified when he was alive and more so after he passed? Shouldn't that be somewhat reflected in the remastering? I just feel that Jerry's leads should be overpowering and yet, I've got the volume turned up as much as I can without sacrificing fidelity just to hear what he was playing, and even then, I've gotta really focus on him for that. Anyway, rant over, just thought I'd share my two cents. Not even sure if this is the right place to do so, despite it being the forum for Dave's 44, as the subject matter tends to talk about nearly anything but the release itself. The grateful dead were always a political band, to be sure, but it'd be great if these forums could try to focus on the music, reddit does exist after all.

Thanks and I'm really not trying to be a d**k with the ending there

…call for desperate measures.
Make sure you vote or we soon might not be allowed to, and what we do here might not be allowed either…

I concur with your statement ie Jerry. I wonder if Jer was alive, if these remasters would sound different? I think the remaining members might be an influence. For sure, I don't have any knowledge of that being said anywhere, just wondering?

just got censored by MSN and Microsoft for agreeing with, shall we say, patriots, who stated the truth about what is going down. It's already happening and let's hope they stay away from this site.

When the Dick's Picks were coming out, likely still the ones Dick picked, I remember hearing that Mickey was helping the crew with the remastering-mixing. It made sense because I've always thought they were a bit drum heavy. It is still that way but not to the degree that's as noticeable. Plus I've changed equipment now so maybe that's all it was to begin with.
Did my civic duty yesterday. Colorado has been vote by mail for years now thank goodness. But I don't get the cool sticker that says I voted.
Cheers, let's go out and make it a good one.

Please keep them off the board. Despite what was said earlier, the GD was not a political band. Very much to the contrary. Encouraging people to vote is not being political.

Let's keep our comments to the poor sound/mix quality of the MSG box.

Thank you.

and others.
For the eighteenth time: these are not professionally recorded multi track recordings!!
They were NEVER intended to be released!
They are 2 channel (stereo) tapes that were produced by Dan Healy as a tool to help him with his work.
That work was to make the band sound good live in concert, not your living room!
Consequently, sometimes the mix might not make sense in your living room. I,e., if the stage instruments are really loud, the mixer won’t need to boost as much through the PA. Thus, those instruments might not seem loud enough on the tape, or in your living room. Furthermore, the first song is always unbalanced, sometimes it takes a good chunk of the first set, as the mix is dependent on how loud or quiet the signal sent by the musician is: if Jerry hasn’t turned up yet, then he won’t seem loud enough. During the first song the mixer is mostly trying to get the vocals going, and bringing the overall levels up, so he’s not going to worry about messing with JGs level too much knowing that JG will turn himself up when he wants to. When you mix the same band all the time, you don’t turn all the knobs back to zero after each show, you leave things generally where they are (or will you know they’ll need to be) and then fine tune the next night as needed. Basically, he sets levels approximately where they’ll end up and let’s the band grow into them if you will.
With Beatty boards etc, there was a dedicated person, who was able to create a mix specifically for making a recording, unfortunately later on the tapes were not made like this so sometimes they have more noticeable anomalies.
Since this is baked into the 2 track only tape, THERE IS NO WAY TO FIX IT!
It is what it is, caveat emptor as these releases used to clearly warn!

Now it it was a multitrack tape (meaning most instruments have their own channel on the tape which can be individually modified later on, and something was disproportionately low in the release mix, THEN you’d have a point, but since it’s only a 2 channel tape made as an afterthought, not intended for release, you have to take it or leave it.

OFF TOPIC: really DR, your going to criticize about that? The guy who usually talks about anything BUT GD?
I mean no offense but if some of us have to hear about Hawkwind again we’re gonna puke!

There is nothing anyone can do about changing the levels of individual instruments on these recordings.
What Mickey or whomever was doing was helping with remastering, which is something completely different.

And really, I’ve heard and read Bobbie clearly stating that “we’ve all been asleep too long” and even more straight up political call to get involved before it’s too late. Yes nobody likes this, but that’s how fucked up it’s getting.
I mean how desperate do things have to get before it’s ok to mention uncomfortable stuff?
So just keep burying your head in the sand and soon we won’t be allowed to talk like this at all!
The futures here, we are it, we are on our own!

With all these talks of sound mixes. 2 tracks and so on. Wonder if it's financially feasible for GD to employ the "AI" technology that was used on The Beatles "Get Back" movie and the upcoming "Revolver" remix. As I understand it, a technology was used to separate out different parts of the sound so they can be mix separately, which no one could do before because of the "tracks" limitation. For example, if brent, bobby, and phil were all recorded on one track - the original mix (how loud each instrument was in the mix) is it, it's all we got. If the keyboard is drowning out everything else, there's no way to fix it no matter how many times anyone remaster it, because that's the master! But I believe this new technology can separate each instrument out to its own track, and then they can be remix and give us a more balanced sound.

I guess it's depend on how much more we're willing to pay to employ this tech!

One thing about audience recordings...not a lot of mix issues.

Like 10 6 80.

High energy with no political commentary filler.

Fascinating!
Never heard of this, do you know offhand where we could learn more?
Sounds like prime geek feast!
That certainly could be a game changer.

It would be great isn't it?? I don't know if this means everything can be a "multi-track" recording now?

There are several interviews about this floating out there. Try searching for "Peter Jackson Beatles Get Back Interview" and "Giles Martin Beatles Revolver interview". They should talk about this technology in those interviews. Enjoy!

Just to clarify my thoughts on this, they definitely were political, certainly not to the tune of endorsing a political party or another, but think about 5/6/70, free concert held at MIT after Kent State or the whole save the rainforest campaign in the late 80s. Being political does not solely confine itself to the nature of voting. Regardless, this forum is literally for discussing the music and not to serve the purpose of being a digital stump speech. So please, start another website or forum somewhere else if that's what you want to get your rocks off on. I very rarely have posted here but often check em out to see what might be being discussed, i.e. the music, and it is increasingly rare that that is the topic at the moment. To transition to that, how about this? What are some the hopes for the next Dave's? Due to be announced with the almanac in the next week or so. Personally, I'm hoping 46 will be 6/10/73 (arguably the best setlist ever) with a bonus disc of 6/9/73.

And orobouros, thanks for the clarification on the mix levels being due to the 2 track source, and I definitely get the whole first song not usually being reflective of the levels of the whole show.

Check PMs. Thx
Cheers

For DaP 45: More '78 please, and thank you.

Nuratlee, I will search…

Stangestofplaces. Glad you understand,just trying to be informative.
I can certainly understand if you don’t like it, just seems like often there are folks who don’t understand the limitations involved and thus feel the team derelict in some way. I think they usually do a great job with what they have to work with. I mean even with all the inherent idiosyncrasies, all things considered I think they sound pretty dern good!
I just wish they’d release more multis!
Smithers release the…

EDIT: HF, dig the new shades!
The kids are fine and hopefully will be on their way back home on Wednesday…

for someone who doesn't comment much on these boards, you sure got a lot to say about what we can talk about here. NO censorship means just that, NO, so if you want to talk fishin' I guess that will be ok. I think Jerry stated that the political stuff is what was f**ked up about the 60's so now they might be a bit more political, I mean you never saw Jerry holding a blue or God forbid a red vote sign. The remaining members sans Phil have been a lot more vocal about voting and being political. All good, there are a lot of Deadheads and getting the word out about voting is ok in my book.
As far as the next pick, some late 72 would be just fine Dave, thanks. Or some more 1980 Gainesville would be nice too.

What aaaaabout Gainesville?

It’s been 36 picks since the last 1980 show. 24 since 81, and 20 since he decided a 72 DaP.

Here’s a Breakdown of Dave’s Picks
(First #) = Year:
(2nd =)Total Releases from this year/
(3rd = )How Many Releases since last pick from this year../
(4th =)Release # of last pick from this year

80: 1 / 36 / #8
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81: 1 / 24 / #20
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72: 3 / 20 / #24
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71: 3 / 18 / #26
76: 3 / 16 / #28
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70: 2 / 14 / #30
79: 1 / 13 / #31
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84: 1 / 9 / #35 (1+)
87: 1(2) / 8 / #36 (2)
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78: 4 / 7 / #37
73: 5 / 6 / #38 (1+)
83: 2 / 5 / #39
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77: 6 / 3 / #41
74: 6 / 2 / #42 (1+)
69: 3 / 1 /#43 (2)
90: 2(3) / - / #44
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No Picks from:
66-68, 75
82, 85, 86,
88, 89, 91-95

Just cause I don't post often here doesn't give me any less of a right to complain. The internet is a seemingly endless place, and there are probably better places to get out the vote than on a forum for Dave's Picks 44. I didn't say you can't talk about it, and if you want to talk about anything go ahead with it. But jeez, I just come here to discuss Dave's 44, or the series as a whole, or whatever the topic is and that is just so damn rarely what's being discussed. If you want to promote the political right of voting, go out and do that, however you'd like. If this is the preferred place for it, sucks for me and all the people who'd like to confine it to the band and the music, don't it? Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, but you don't go into a church talking about quantum physics or NASA talking about how God is the reason the space shuttle landed on the moon. All I'm saying there.

That being said, late 72 would be great, as late as possible with that NYE show being particularly hot.

And don't mistake my words as being aggressive, although they may be charged.

....that there would be backlash. But everything I said was true. Is this primarily a music related forum? Yes. Do we also talk about a myriad of other topics. A resounding yes.
If some of you were "offended" in some way, believe me. That was not my intent. Im just being honest. The last five years has put a definite strain on what is considered American democracy and the rift is growing wider in my opinion. Prior to then, I rarely payed attention to politics at all. But things have changed. I have lost friends and family over this shit. My workplace got toxic after 1/6. Some thought is was "funny" and approved of it. And all because some narcissistic egomaniac is a sore loser. It baffles my mind. Not everything is sunflowers and patchouli oil. Just my two cents. Take it for what you will. And my timing for going there is on point.
And yes, Gainesville would be welcome.

PT - thanks for you post. I know quite a few people with very strong opinions, though - I listened to someone ranting and raving about Boris Johnson only yesterday. Would that be a suitable thing to post about? God help us if it is ! The last demonstration I went on was only last month, too - but again - I don't see this as a platform for going on about it.

Oro...well. Surely there is a difference between someone discussing non Dead related music on here as opposed to venting their political angst. I have discovered all sorts of bands and musicians on here that I would never otherwise have come across. John Coltrane's "Ascension" was the last one. But if you feel like puking, then that's okay with me. Hawkwind apparently used to provoke it in the unwary,with their use of lasers and lights around the time of "Silver Machine". So you would be in good company - hey...over there, though.

Ist show - good man - cheers. Definitely more 1978! I gave the bonus disc of the From Egypt With Love shows a spin last night - great stuff.

Mtns of the Moon was such a great tune, the Dead only did it 11 times in 1969 and never after that, makes you wonder why they dropped it. I always thought it would have been cool if they would have brought it back for the 1980 Warfield acoustic shows.

My guess about "Mountains of the Moon": it's one of the few Dead songs that requires a non-standard guitar tuning, so maybe that was it. IIRC in order to play Mountains "correctly," you gotta tune your guitar down a full step. Play it in standard tuning and it changes the key and makes it harder to sing (for me, anyway). Maybe Garcia just thought it was too much trouble to have a D-tuned guitar handy just in case they felt like doing that song. Just a guess. Whatever the reason, it's a damn shame they didn't play it more.

....If I Had The World To Give is up there.

....she hasn't said anything, but I bet that's what she's thinking.
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There. Everyone feeling better?

What is Political In the words of abbie hoffman and others everything you do is politcal. Writing a song or taking a crap is political.. Telling someone to stand down sure is too

Any surprises on this one Dave? You know, like the audience patch in Franklin's Tower (10-12-83) on the In And Out Of The Garden Box that you didn't tell us about? Just checking, in case you may have forgotten to tell us. Again.

I still haven't listened to #43 yet....

Like the dude in the movie lol

Sorry, DR, I went too far just making a point and sticking up for vguys right to make his point.
Do we want politics here, not particularly, but the situation is the boss, and the situation these days is too scary and fluid, and the election looms here like Winter coming in GOT, so it is timely. As I say, desperate times…
I agree, the awesome range of topics here is as good as or sometimes better than just the GOGD, but sometimes that mean’s someone’s gonna post something everybody or somebody else doesn’t like, so what, that’s their right, as long as it’s not the only thing they talk about and their intent is not to insult anyone…at least that’s my take on it.
PT and others here put their lives on the line serving our country to protect our awesome freedoms, so the very real threat of losing these freedoms causes Fear & Loathing, which can lead to unpleasantness, and may leave some folks feeling the need to stand up and speak out. What’s so bad about that?

EDIT: Nappy Slacker (just teasing) hope your feeling better (Frank too), been thinking about you as I’ve been reading this Hendrix book that discusses concerts. Every time they mention SoCal shows I wonder if Nappy was there!
Some of you guys: Beatles, early Stones, Hendrix, Pig etc, lucky dogs!

Agreed! What an awesome song!
Thank goodness Phil broke it out for us along with all the other old Chestnuts!
Thanks Phil!

Never had this tape. Looks good.

Oro - no problem, thanks. I guess I am quite lucky in that I know a few people who are more than happy to spend ages talking about what's going on in the world, and what should be done about it. Putting the world to rights, they call it. One of the things they don't know about, or want to know about, is The Dead or their world-so it's nice to tip in here for a daily dose.