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LedDed: I respect most of your comments, but clearly, your musical palette is pretty limited. To quote you:
Robbie Robertson was the only cool rock dude in that band.
I hate the early 20th century drab, boring workingman's garb they generally posed out in. Yes, they went out of their way to get that "look," because no one else in rock dressed like that then. It was as calculated as Ziggy Starburst.

The Band dressed that way because they didn’t want to be “cool rock dudes”. You certainly don’t have to like it, but since you don’t understand it, don’t comment on it.
Live & let live. There’s only a few million people who disagree with you, brother.
Listened to the new Metallica album. Same old, same old. There is no “questing spirit” in that band. Just find a riff, and drive it to death.
Not saying it’s bad, just repetitive and boring.

Knowledge is recognition of something absent; it is a salutation, not an embrace..........

Not sure what motivated you to listen to that show, but I think you and I are the only folks to listen to that one in the last ten years. Having a soundboard of that one would be awesome! Maybe in those banana boxes............???

Love cannot express the idea of music, while music may give an idea of love........

Rock on!!

Doc
Music is the refuge of souls ulcerated by happiness.......

It's not a judgement from on high, but I have never got The Band. I wish I did...so many people with good taste rate them, but their charms have always eluded me. The one thing I do like, which doesn't seem to get mentioned much, is the falsetto vocals of Richard Manuel. The other thing I like a lot by them is their playing on Ronnie Hawkins 1963 recording of "Who Do You Love". There's nothing like that on the brown album.

Dissing Ziggy Stardust is another matter. It was definitely contrived, but it worked like a charm at the time. What has got lost in the mists of time is that a lot of this was basically music for people just out of childhood - not blokes in the 50-75 year bracket. When I saw David Bowie in 1972, I was 15. I don't know what I would have made of it all as 66 year old-but at 15 it was just the ticket.

I have always liked this quote, by George Burns - "Sincerity - if you can fake that you've got it made"

That's pretty funny, Led. To me Robbie was a poseur, especially by the Last Waltz. Wrote great songs though- which is really all I care about. (Of course, those songs were collaborations.)

Not sure how anyone could find Levon uncool in any way shape or form. Levon, Richard and Rick all had major soul. Love each of their voices. But to each his own.

Band tangent: Anyone seen that Rick James doc called "Sound and Fury?" Supposedly the Band stopped Rick from getting his ass kicked in Canada at the beginning of his career. Cocaine's a hell of a drug.

The Band and Robby Robertson's self-titled solo album from 1987. It has the original Broken Arrow. I heard Phil got it from a cover by Rod Stewart. Produced by Daniel Lanois and with cameos by Peter Gabriel, Bono, The Edge, Garth Hudson, Ivan Neville, Gil Evans horns, and guitarist Bill Dillon who I don't know but rips it up on the whole album. I like every song on this album which is not something I can usually say. This album is ethereal and moody in a great way. I can't speak to the interpersonal issues The Band had but I respect the music. And I buy my Key brand denim at the farm supply store because I can't afford Levi's anymore. They hold up well.
Cheers

WTF?

I go to bed confident with a 2 goal second period lead at home and wake up to this crap. Your comments appear prescient.

Goaltending. Always goaltending in the playoffs. The Oilers are the Don Knotts of goaltending, shakiest goalies in the West.

My son is having his stag in Vegas later this month, and he is hoping to catch a playoff game. I told him “To dream”, they will be impossible to get at less than Taylor Swift prices.

The Band? One of the best, IMHO, and they are definitely a Desert Island choice for me, but not for everyone, and that’s fair. One great thing about this group of fans here is the diverse musical tastes. Lots of recommendations come up here, and good ones, too. But as every good parent learns, sometimes the answer is No.

The game. Is afoot…
Doesn’t the cup, 9 outta 10, come down to who’s the hottest goal tender…
First games were what you’d expect, though they appeared closer than one might think.
I caught the end of the Os debacle, but missed the crazy Wild/Stars finish.
So far, looks like we might get some good tight series!
Big night tonight!

Wonder if 46 will drop today, hmm, well it’s past ten here, or is it 10 pacific? Anywho, thought they often drop stuff on Tuesday’s so thought today might be the day, if not, you’d think they’d do so sometime this week….but hey, it is dead.net so…..

Just a thought: there wasn’t Americana, as a trend anyway, until the Band put out those first 2 albums!
Before CSN, the Dead etc, the Band was the catalyst that changed damn near all of rock/pop music at the time.
Like Rock with the Beatles, they didn’t invent the genre, but caused it to blow up and changed it dramatically, forever.
This is fact, not opinion. From Clapton to Elton John, even the Beatles, everybody at the time was significantly affected by the Bands music! Clapton has stated repeatedly he wanted to be IN the band but they told him no. If you read the biographies of musics elite, they all state how much the band changed and influenced late 20th century music.
I can understand not everyone would like it, and looking back from afar, in some ways, perhaps it hasn’t held its power and is rooted in those times, but to deny the Bands impact and greatness is folly.
Yes Robbie was a great song writer and musician, and as musicians they all were so good at supporting the song etc. Truly a band, until it wasn’t…But I think Rick Danko is one of the most underrated bass players, and his harmonies are just as sweet as Richards! I’ve seen Rick sing It’s Makes No Difference that made the entire crowd weep! And Lee, come on, Lees more cool in a house coat making ya sandwiches (his usual MO) than slick LA Robbie ever could be. Robbie was about Robbie and his need to be a big shot. Not meant as a diss, just the truth. It was just another case of the ole divide and conquer!
Read Levon’s or Joe Forno Jrs books. Shit was complicated as it often is in bands. I’ve said for years: playing musics the easy part, it’s all the other personalities and BS that’s hard. Being in a good band is like being married to several people…
Oh, and the look was probably somewhat prescribed, but like someone said, to help set them aside from the suit wearing uniform that was the norm of their 50s R&R past, or the outrageous psychedelic regalia that was the norm. But come on, who besides the Dead didn’t try to promote an image! Hell, even the Dead, if you look at early promo shots etc, even the Dead sport “costumes” of the times for awhile.

Daverock, interesting perspective about Ziggy. It’s easy to look back, as an “adult” lol, but from the context of it being music for children etc, it makes sense. Like my seeing Kiss first when I was still fairly young figuring shit out. They spit out good ear crack and all the hoopla resonated with us young impressionable tad poles. But within a year, especially after I started seeing “real” bands live etc, well Kiss became sort of embarrassing to us.
Funny with Bowie, though not a fan I didn’t mind his music so much, but all the other BS drove me away from ever giving them a fair consideration.
Oh, I also been thinking bout what you (Daverock) said recently about early seventies shows after Pig Pen: that they seemed to sometimes seem extra long and not as flowing without Pigs thang in the mix to break things up and give it that occasional jump start. Listening to more 73 this spring and the second sets/Jams are legendary, the playing is often great, but man sometimes those first sets do seem to go on. And, as evidenced in E72, he was starting to write some good songs, so yeah, huge loss on even more levels than one might think.

HF, good to see Mr PC is still around and ready to raise hell!
You must be like a kid 2 weeks before Xmass waiting on 46!
Got the LA 69 Experience show on your recommendation and love it!

Wouldn't Bob Dylan be responsible for the Band?

I’d venture no.
They were ripping it up for many years before any of that with The Hawk!, Ronny Hawkins.
And they had started out on their own before Bob.
Was their association with the Big D a variable in their trajectory?
You betcha. But responsible?…

Special place in my heart. My first ever gig was seeing them at the Albert Hall in June 71. Soon after got the bootleg of the Dylan 'Judas' electric set supposedly from Albert Hall but actually Manchester. Bought from Virgin record store in London - you had to walk through the back of a shoe shop. I was sweet 16 and still very innocent. That bootleg changed my life and to this day the version of 'Like a rolling stone ' is one of my all time favourites. Didn't get into the Dead till 74 and life took another turn, this time weirder and wilder

The back cover has that "Next of kin" picture; I always felt this was some kind of answer to the Sgt Pepper's front cover. Instead of having a collage of some (allegedly) hip/cool pop icons, and at a time when the counter culture rejected parents and family values altogether, they just had a picture of all their own family members, with no artifice - definitely unhip at the time.
Tears of Rage opened the album, and mirrored that feeling with the lyrics about the hurt parents felt about their daughter rejecting them(incidentally, the "we're so alone and life is brief" line reminds me of Box of Rain's "a long time to be gone, and a short time to be there"

Good luck tonight.

The game starts at 7:30 EST. Sharp. Make sure your boys are ready.

....are the best!!!

Never mind.

Game 2 is Thursday. Start time is 7:00 EST. That’s a half hour earlier than tonight. Make sure someone tells the Leaf players this time.

Good finish.

Keep the faith and don’t get discouraged by tonight’s outcome. Sometimes a team needs a drubbing like this before they can coalesce. I say that as a long-suffering Red Sox fan who remembers 2004 quite well.

This is my first time seeing the Kraken jerseys. I thought I would like them more than I do. They’ve got a weird neon, pastel color that doesn’t fit with the rest of the palette and certainly doesn’t look good on TV.

What a great line and image

If a board of that show existed it would be very well known

And 1 22 71...a board of that with the second set (only set one seems to be available).... schwingadingding!

....Jet player got sliced in the face during a huge scrum in the blue paint
Over fifty stitches later, he's out there skating.
Meanwhile, football players complain about turf toe.
Flaming Lips Yoshimi five LP delivered. It's very pink. And it has a Seven Nation Army cover.

...I prefer The Band to hockey. I think .

Jack - Good point about the 2004 Red Sox! We just got pounded by the better team, but it’s a series. You take a breath, and move on.
Looks like it was the night for the underdogs - Bolts, Kraken, Rangers, and the Jets!

DaveRock - I love hockey, and I love the Band and the Dead etc, proving great music and the thrill of in-the-moment sports are not mutually exclusive. But I get hockey is an acquired taste :-)
Re: Ziggy Stardust - I read an interview with David Bowie once where he defended the glam movement from critics who said it introduced androgynous fashion into rock & roll. He said it was the current trends of the time that were androgynous, in that all men & women had the standard long straightish hair, the blue jeans & tees look. He was a pretty astute guy, Bowie, and he may have had a point.

Sounds good to me ! Hockey isn't covered on the telly in England, so I know nothing about it. I guess it's more of an American or Canadian thing.

There is an interesting interview with David Bowie in July 1972, in which he was challenged about being camp. He argues, in this one, that he isn't camper than anyone else in rock music - to which the interviewer replies " Nobody ever called Jerry Garcia camp". Bowie agrees, but points out that Jerry is a musician, and that he ( Bowie) isn't into music on that level. That he was using music, along with mime and theatre to create an effect.

It was a weirder phenomenon than it at first appeared - that whole David Bowie/Ziggy Stardust schtick. Basically, a bloke called David Jones wanted to be a rock star, so he changed his name and personality and became David Bowie. When this didn't achieve the desired effect, the fabrication that was Bowie changed identity again, and became Ziggy Stardust. Bullseye.
I don't think anyone who saw him in 1972-73 realised that what they were seeing wasn't seeing a real rock performer, but someone acting as a one. And when he announced his retirement on stage in 1973, everyone, I think, assumed that the real person was retiring. Clearly in retrospect this wasn't the case - it was just the role being played - the illusion, that was being laid to rest.
I think there was an element of fabrication with most rock performers - people acting a role that the public thought was how they were in their private life. But it seemed more pronounced with David Bowie than most performers of my generation.

KISS, all show, no musical talent.
Applies to a lot of 80’s big-hair bands too.

You can further extrapolate that premise to include today's music. Even more so.

My favorite comment while watching an old Traffic jam session on the tube - "Seven dudes with more talent than the entire music industry in 2022."

Mike - Tampa could likely be in deep trouble with Hedman (and Cernak) potentially being out. By the way, has Bunting been hanging out with Marchand? Still backing the Leafs, but he's a punk.

DaveRock - Lon Chaney was known as The Man of a Thousand Faces. Switch "personas" for "faces", and I think it applied to Bowie. He kept it interesting, no doubt.

Jack - I was glad a few years ago when Kadri left the Leafs (for the Avs), because of bone headed stuff. Now we have Bunting. Gutless and stupid move. Speaking of Lon Chaney, how about that guy for the Jets - 75 (!!) stitches to the face during the Knights game, and he returns to play! He looked like a Chaney character! Wow.

Bobby got a new pre-order out,,,, Shadow Kingdom. Vinyl and CD.

Yeah, I got both.

Hope I haven't posted this yet,,,, I'm getting forgetful in my old age :-)

Sidenote - Stuff goes by in life and maybe you don't think about it for years. The other day on a local radio station, heard a nice bass line at start of song. Refrain line,,,, "people out there turning music into gold". I kind of remembered the line from back in the day. I thought it sounded like Fleetwood Mac,,, thought for sure I heard Stevie Nicks. Get home and check and not Fleetwood Mac, but it was Stevie Nicks. Lead guy was John Stewart. I was shocked, shocked I tell you, to find out this was one of the early members of the Kingston Trio!

I'm sure a lot of you knew this and can't believe I didn't. But there you have it.

Yeah, the announcers referred to him as an agitator. Which is I guess is the politically correct way of calling you an Ahole.

That play with Barron of the Jets was tough to watch. Nevertheless, it should be mandatory viewing for all NBA players or you forfeit your salary. I know Vguy pointed to the NFL, but the NBA is the worst. I called them out last week after the Rangers game.

Don't forget Duncan Keith, who lost seven teeth after taking a shot to the mouth and was back out there playing in under ten minutes.

A rough night indeed for all the favorites. Better luck tonight to everyone other than Boston.

Kucherov

I thought that was a Warren Zevon song.
A mind is a terrible thing to lose (or is that waste).
Cheers and happy 4-20 a bit early.

Edit: AVs sled hockey team won the nat'l. championship in STL. Can the the AVs with legs win the Cup?

Jack - Duncan Keith was maybe the 2nd toughest guy to play in the modern era, next to Scott Stevens. Fierce, tough, and like you said, loses 7 teeth, and is out playing in minutes. Not a guy you want to piss off. Wow.
With the Craptors already finished for the season, and the Boo Jays having some pitching issues, I need these Leafs to step up.

A nice Jack Straw from NY, NY in 1972 this morning took away the gloom. Such a grate tune when the Dead pick up the pace a bit on it.

New (live) Dylan ordered. Thanks Dennis. I used to have that John Stewart CD - Bombs Away Dream Babies (I think), but I think it was liberated by one of my friends, or I left it somewhere. Nicks sang on a couple of songs, if memory serves me. Regardless, it’s gone.

Didn’t see all that coming!
As Chris Berman would say “that’s why they play the game”
But really, if you think clearly, none of it should be too big a surprise. I don’t think anyones just gonna waltz on through this year.
Ok, maybe 7-3 drubbing was a surprise, but it is the Bolts, and it is the playoffs, and when you keep coughing up the biscuit in your zone….perhaps a few too many dumb penalties? I think AJS hit it: they were caught off guard and not quite ready for prime time. So yeah Mike, get these bastards to the church on time, ffs, we’re counting on ya! ; )
AVS played well, but Just Couldn’t Get things to click, could have easily been 5-2 AVs. But as I’ve said, the AVs are good, but they can be beat.
What I really wanna know is what the hell happened with the Knights? Didn’t get to see much of that game so wonder if it was as unbalanced as the score? And da Rangers beat up on the red hot Devils? Pshhaaaw
Yeah, just wow! Cool, nerve racking, but cool, that almost any of these teams could advance, gonna be some great games this year!
It’s not fun when the same teams just skate (pun intended) through the others every year, yawn….though unfortunately looks like the Bs will likely do that.

I’ve always said, if you could take a Baseball player, a basketball player, a football player, and a hockey player, and give them the exact same injury: the hockey player would be back in six minutes, football six days, basketball six weeks, and baseball six months…

Hey AJS, forgot to say thanks. Found a Dicks 13 reasonably priced via your intel, TANKS!

46? Wonder if they’ll drag it out until the first or second and not ship until then?
I’m with Conekid, ship it to subscribers the same day you put it up for Ala carte, like yesterday…
Maybe Friday, sometimes they do stuff on Fridays.
Poor Hendrixfreak could die by then.
Stop the madness #savethefreak to push these evil bastardos to do the right thing!

Damnation, more snow piling up on my gloomy hockey hangover lol
Time for some sunshine Dead!

....they are releasing a 32 disc box set.
Vegas looked like crap.

…Love the Scott Stevens reference. Seeing Scott and (an aging) Rod Langway on the ice together was one highlight of my ‘80’s mad, crazy love affair with hockey. Defense at it’s finest.

Last 5:
North Mississippi All-Stars-Hill Country Revue
David Axelrod-Heavy Axe
Donny Hathaway-Everything Is Everything
Buddy Miles-Live
Vigil-On To Beggar & Bitter Things

C’mon Leafs, let’s go!!

couldn't find available, only listings. UK people seem to be saying 112 pounds,,, could not find american cost or ordering info.

Was surprised there was none in my collection. My 2 minute youtoob search sounded nice and something I should get.

Waiting to see.

Record Store Day on Saturday!!! At least 3 thing I want :-)

I have a friend who has an annual volunteer gig at the Hockey Hall of Fame for induction night, and he got me in a few times to help. Basically, you put on a suit and get all the money people to bid on silent auction stuff (autographed sticks, etc, shit really), but it was a chance for free food and drink, and to chat up the rich gals. One year Langway was there, and he asked us abruptly where the washroom was. This guy is a giant, so we were all Ralph Kramden Homina Homina and just pointed to it, like we were mutes. Fun meeting a lot of the greats, but he was kind of “in a mood”. I think he was with Washington, not Jersey. Are you thinking of Ken Danyko, another real beast?
Another great New Jersey guy - Scott Niedermeyer. New Jersey were the real deal then.
Scott Stevens - the meanest and most skilled body checker since Tim Horton. Pure Shrek.

....go to loudersound.com.

....Record store day is Saturday.
Leaving for LA Saturday.
Amoeba Records is five blocks from my hotel.
I may need to leave earlier than planned.
I need to leave earlier than planned.

....this Phish second set!!
Free on XM. Channel 2-fukin-9.
Treys tone is fire and Mike has a new bass!
I have an addiction. Need milk.

....I was at the '98 Halloween Vegas show when they did a musical costume of Loaded.
Whoosh!
Definite bust out.
Apologies. I'm stoked and I don't know what to do with my hands.
Quick search. They played it twelve times in twenty-five years.
Nice.
I'm here to answer any questions. Five cents please.

"Music Inspired By The Snow Goose" was a popular one round our way - if we are talking about the same Camel. Decades since I have heard it - I remember them as being in the same sort of bag as Pink Floyd circa "Meddle". But memory plays strange tricks.

Gong Live in Lyon 1972 is the one I'll be hunting for on RSD. Unusually for a new vinyl release, it isn't already available on cd.

Bring on the DaP 46 announcement and seaside chat, Dave.

Looking at the subscription announcement there was no mention of the release dates for the various albums. Based on all previous years 46 should come out at the end of April. Last time I looked at the order, which was some months ago, the new system, unlike the old one, doesn’t show release dates for preorders. If it comes out on the usual schedule then there should be an email in the next few days telling non-subscribers when the order window opens. The seaside chat, normally, only appears on the release date so that Dave can tell you to stop looking at the chat and order the album in case it sells out. I look forward to seeing the item by mid-May.

Camel
Yes it is the same Camel Dave. I saw them once or twice around the time that Rain Dances (?) came out. OK at the time and we may still have the vinyl but I’ve not heard it in years and the last time it didn’t really grab my attention.

time to say goodbye to the 45 thread!

Listening party is there but no seaside chat.
Comments tab gets you blank space too.
The set list is there though.
Roll outs here are more like stumble outs.
Cheers
Edit: Now a comment from Jonathan on the 46. Fresh ice to skate. No email announcement yet in my inbox.

The 46 thread is not up yet. Watched the seaside chat and it was short for Dave, not a lot of distractions. Looking forward to this one. Dave also stated we still have a big year to look forward to with the 2023 Box and other things. Hope it is not more sweat shorts. Noticed the price for #46 is $38.98. Not good for the a la carte people out there.

Edit, I received a notification from Y Boob and watched it there.

....bring it on.

Comments are up now.

Moved to 46 W. Dave's Picks Avenue see you all there!!!

…No Washington Capitals, that’s my team. I got my one Cup, I’ll just have to live with that!!
On to the Dave’s 46 chat!!

I was so excited to get my Dave's Picks 45. I was at those shows. Then I plugged the first disc in. What a complete disappointment. The sound quality is like a mediocre audience tape from back in the day. How did this happen ?