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  • marye
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    Great story, Mr. P...
    I congratulate myself on my fortunate escape from ever setting foot in the place!
  • GRTUD
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    I'm fairly certain that Pid was a BlocKhead (in one manner of speaking or other) at one time in his life, at least. Speaking of which, I saw John Turnbull play with World Party at Bonnaroo in 2006 which was awesome. He and Karl Wallinger were perfect together and I was told (and heard a few "tapes" proving the point) that some of the other shows they played together were hot as hell (I think they played together in San Fran). I wasn't into the Disco scene either, but I remember folks calling Terrapin Station "Disco Dead" when it was released (too funny). "Dancin', dancin', dancin' in the streets..."
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    Okay, hit me with your rhythm stick
    Perhaps you do have a point, badger. To me, disco sound (i just can't refer to it with the M word) was just an incessant stream of indistinguishable throbbing. The most common complaint that I get from people who don't appreciate GD is that to them it "all sounds the same." So I guess art really is in the eye, or ear, of the beholder. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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    we're smokin them all out now! Good story Mr P.. But hang on, aren''t be being a bit snobbish; Lots of people dressing up getting high and dancing to loud music and flashing lights? Sounds a bit familiar. What's wrong with that? Just a different generation. The whole acid house thing was the same in the 80s. I think the problem is the effect of the substance of choice for these movements and the culture it creates. What fuelled the psychedelic movement and the dance music of the last 20 years is very different from what fuelled the disco movement. As the wonderful and much missed Ian Dury once said: 'one snort and you're a fascist'
  • Hal R
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    Thanks for the story Mr. Pid
    Very well written. I was drugged at times into going to discos, I must admit. Friends would say "There are women there". My reply was "But not our kind of women". My reaction when there was one of three 1. Run for the nearest exit 2.Shrivel up and become invisible 3. Get as messed up as possible, maybe I will just not notice or care I will be so numb. Or any combination of the 3. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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    My Studio 54 Story
    WARNING! No Dead angle here. I only post this because the subject came up, and there was an inquiry about what Studio 54 was all about. Those of you who were fortunate enough to have avoided direct exposure to Studio 54 can consider your perfect records intact. I was not so lucky, and so for the benefit of anyone interested I will relate my experience. Studio 54 was the "brain child" and first business enterprise of two guys named Steve Rubell and Ian Schrager. Steve Rubell is no longer visiting this planet, and these days Ian Schrager spends his time developing high end boutique hotels. Anyway, their nightclub idea was located in a former television studio located in New York on West 54th Street between Broadway and Eighth Avenue, so you can see how much thought went into the name of the place. They intentionally restricted admission to only fancy, upscale-looking people and it quickly became a celebrity hotspot. The bouncers at the door were the arbiters of who got in, and getting past their velvet ropes became sort of a status symbol. The only other way in was to be "on the list," which actually had a panache of its own. No waiting in the line, just walk right up, speak a few words and the velvet ropes part. The stage was used as the main dance floor, and disco was all that ever got played there. They charged ridiculous prices for drinks, and in reality the place ran on cocaine, which proved to be its eventual undoing. In 1980 I was in a band that had professional management. One of their other "artists" got booked into 54 to lip-synch two of her her so-called songs, and our manager asked us to please attend. After all, we would be "on the list!" I am absolutely certain that the only reason I was admitted was because I was on the list. I still periodically kick myself for having stooped so low as to have actually gone there. So in we go, me, my band, the manager, and this caterwauling ditz named Lenore O'Malley who was really just a white Gloria Gaynor clone. Thud-thud-thud-thud. Thud-thud-thud-thud. It was relentless, and getting louder as we went down the stairs. Thud-thud-thud-thud. Thud-thud-thud-thud. Thud-thud-thud-thud. It was at this point that I coined the term Brain Slapping Disco. There was just no other way to describe it. Thud-thud-thud-thud. Thud-thud-thud-thud. The gain on the bass was jacked up so high it made your pant legs wave in the breeze. It was what an old sound engineer friend of mine used to describe as Too Loud For Humans. Manager and Ditz headed off to get ready for her act. I looked out at the writhing sea of what I could only assume was humanity on the dance floor. There was more polyester than a recycling plant, enough gold chains to rival Fort Knox, and the most ridiculously overproduced hair I had ever seen. None for me, thanks. Where's the bar? OK, there we go. EIGHT bucks for a beer? Twelve bucks for a well drink? Christ, it was 19 freaking 80. There are lots of places now that still don't have the cojones to charge that much! I didn't ask how much for the lines all those people were doing. And you certainly didn't need to bring your own weed. Oh well, it was far too hot and smoky in there to not have something to wet the whistle. Thud-thud-thud-thud. Thud-thud-thud-thud. Thud-thud-thud-thud. Thud-thud-thud-thud. Doesn't it ever stop? How much longer am I going to have to put up with this insipid crap? Time to hit the john. Good lord, there's some freak in a tux in here with an array of bottles filled with various types of chemical stench, turning the faucets on and off, and handing out towels. He seems to think I somehow owe him money for the privilege of using the urinal. "It's okay, buddy, I don't need any help with this, I've had lots of practice already. Maybe I should charge YOU something for the show?" What sort of a weirdo would ever take a job like that? I thought about asking him how much to piss on him instead, but decided I really didn't want to know the answer, especially if it involved him paying me, which seemed like it could be a distinct possibility! Couldn't get out of there fast enough, and I really didn't want to know what was going on in that stall. Thud-thud-thud-thud. Thud-thud-thud-thud. Thud-thud-thud-thud. Thud-thud-thud-thud. My brain hurts! Please make it stop! Thud-thud-thud-thud. Thud-thud-thud-thud. Finally, it's the Ditz's numbers! They're only about three minutes each, the end is in sight! Manager reappears and says, "Hey, what do you think?" At least that's what I think he said, it was almost impossible to hear over the thud-thud-thud-thud. So I tried to scream back at him "Couldn't I just pound railroad spikes into my temples instead?" I'm not sure if he got it, though. He thought this stuff was cool! That night he was Somebody! Sap... Well, Ditz was done, we'd done our duty for the team, so the guitar player and I waved goodbye and got the hell out of there before we got infected. Apparently it was too late for the singer and the bass player who decided to hang around. They thought it was cool, too! More saps... Sometimes I kick myself for having had anything to do with that band. The material was all really just commercial pop crap that surprise, surprise, never went anywhere. So happy I never signed that record contract. Even happier that I never got dragged to 54 again. Okay, ccJoe, please enlighten us! Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
  • deadheadkid
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    no shes not a member. The evil Devin is brooding in her cave, sucking the marrow from the bones of her latest victims. think of the mother of Grendel from the book Grendel. except with red hair.
  • Gr8fulTed
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    I've got a great video, on DVD, of the BeeGees. Makes me want to put on my white suit and do some grinding.
  • Golden Road
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    Arch Nemesis?
    *looks Around and Around* (cue "Beat It", by Michael Jackson) Where? "All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet. What a fool I was to defy him."
  • deadheadkid
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    Believe me, HalR, I know disco sucks. we have taken the liberty of purging most of it from our stations librarys, but the hunt goes on, for it seems our electronic DJ likes to taunt us and play it occasionally ;). good luck with the research. I am curious about this story also. But enlighten me on this Taj Mahal story. I need excitement in my life for all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy indeed. a little history that doent involve the depressing and sad conditions of the Industrial Revolution would be great. Also, anyhistory that does not involve having to deal with my arch nemesis here woulf be wicked awesome.
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an open space.
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yeah, this will be cool. thankx. but now I got nothing to say... ) - ; "a first in the history of the world!" comments CC Joe's old lady... peace. "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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Well put or not put. I, however, suffer from verbal incontinence and will gladly have something to say. Here are random and semi-on-topic tidbits. After Jerry ditched the Wah-Wah pedal in favor of the Envelope Filter, Playin' in the Band was never the same. The first kind veggie burrito I ever had transformed my tastebuds. Quixote's True Blue is a cool Dead Head bar in Denver, CO. When I bailed out on the scene in 1993 I was kinda bummed. Getting together like this with all of you sure is cool and makes me feel goofy like a kid again. I'm just a, well...porpoise.
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This will be fun.Thanks to are Mods for this free-zone......Im off to see Terrapin Flyer w/ Tom Constanten tonight at the Kinetic Playground in Chicago......IF YOUR IN CHI-TOWN YOU NEED TO GO AND SEE THESE GUYS!!!!!!!!! Dead to the Core www.myspace.com/bongwizard
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Greetings and accolades to izzie and Marye for listening and assisting. I'm sure it (open thread) wouldn't have happened without you. What to say, what to say, shit, given this opportunity and passing up an audience. Is this stage fright? Cat got yer tongue? Nope, I'm just smiling wide on this Friday night and jazzed at the recent turn of events to connect with old and new friends in our new 'station.' Author Steven Peter's book titled 'The Stories Behind Every Grateful Dead Song 1965-1995 -What a Long Strange Trip' he chronicled an explanation around one of my favorite tunes, The Wheel and he wrote "Hunter compared the unending spin of the Grateful Dead's career path to the oroboros, a mythical dragon or serpent which is depicted as biting it's tail and symbolized infinity or eternal recurrence. It was a pattern the Dead could relate to on a different level as their own "snake" continued to grow bigger and bigger with every turn." This site is an extension of that concept, to be part of continuing to nourish and expand with the help of each other "one man gather's what another man spills". And even the story behind the Grateful Dead's name (I will leave that for another to share and elaborate on) is evidence of the evolving and helping nature of the Dead, this site, and the relationships that we foster with one another. Again Peter's book relates how world renowned scholar (on Myth and Religion et al) Joseph Campbell attended a Grateful Dead show and then stated "It turns on something in here", he later said enthused, pointing to his heart, "what it turns on is the life energy. This is Dionysus talking though these kids. Now I have seen similar manifestations, but nothing as innocent as what I saw with this bunch...this is a wonderful fervent loss of self in the larger self of a homogenous community. That is what it's all about." Shit, I guess I went overboard and got all high fallootin' and philosophical, er, heynow, crank it up. We have arrived. Let's dance.
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Hey, sken's verbal incontinence was contagious.But point taken, I must go and mental floss. Control is within my grasp.
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hey, Sken, as I do not play the guitar, could you please list 2 primo shows (from archive.org) actually, could you pretty please with sugar on top, put up the links for 2 shows one with the wah wah pedal and one without and one with the envelope whatever the fuck that is filter. I'll give a listen and comment. (maybe, if I remember to do that) ( -: my hearing is pretty lousy, so if there are SBD shows, those would be best. "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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by the way, to everyone here, if we use the subject box as a kind of topic starter, (or topic continuer) it will kind of, 'kind' of (note the kind!!) it will kind of be like starting our own topics... on the other hand, if someone does not use the subject box, it automatically takes the first few words from your post... which may or may not indicate what you want to talk about. looking for and finding that silver lining. ( -: peace. "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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the much awaited NEW gameshow is here! The producers finally got the Call the Tune game show up and limping... OK, there are still a few problems, (don't blame your humble host, please) but click on the link or simply press play on the VDO screen and turn up the volume!! your humble host here, CC Joe... don't blame me for the crappy audience tape with very poor quality sound, this IS a reality gameshow. This is what it would have sounded like back on that day... at that time, in that place... especially if you were standing next to Ace McDanger and Spiker Jones... listening to the first few tune - up sounds, can you?? will you dare to try to Call THE Tune!!!???? pece. ( -;
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Sugaree
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nice try, but......... nope, not Sugaree. please try again. by the way, who digs my cool antique Japanese boxes and our ultra cool clock which is set to 5:15 permanently??
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My ears are toast. I pulled out the headphones and gave it my best try. If I don't get it then I might just have to let the youngsters with their fresh ears do the heavy lifting. note: The guy next to the mike had a nice machine-gun laugh, but I call Bertha as the tune.
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not Bertha! "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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the box on the right is a sewing box, probably about 70-80 years old-- the little box connected to it on the rod, is the old pin-cusion...the box on the top left is a 'hako kaidan' staircase box... back to the show: there is ONE or two very distinctive notes at the very end of the clip, barely able to make it out... I chose the tape 'blind' just popping one in without looking at the set list, and I could call it, so I thought it was 'fair' oops, did I just give away the fact that it is the first song from some set?? perhaps a first set or perhaps a second set?? I'll never tell. it took about 10 minutes to find a suitable tape, then another 5 or so to get the vid just exactly perfect, then another 10 minutes to go through the upload to youtube... it was actually pretty easy to do, I've never uploaded any vdo before. HINT HINT HINT, anyone can do it... then I can be a contestant, too. ( -; if I don't get some sponsors in a hurry, this may only be a weekly feature. it is pissing down raining sideways here, so at home with nothing to do... ( -: "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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Stupid computers.... How do we delete a posted comment?
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I can't get youtube here at work (picture a kind of NORAD scenario) so I'll just blurt out song names so ya'll don't forget about me. "Brown Eyed Women!!!" "This aggression will not stand, man....."
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you win!!! Wow!! what insight!! no, just kidding, it ain't Brown Eyed Woman. you can not delete posts, I learned that the hard way more than once... are you THE GRTUD, dude, as in the nug that tied the room together?? will you abide me, dude?? what's up with changing the name? you trying to add extra confusion and dissaray into my frazzled brain? ( -: peace. "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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OK, GRTUD.it IS you. I just read your intro. cool, glad to see you here. thanks for adding confusion to my feeble, moldy memory. you see, the fucked up thing about screen names, and avatars, is I will never be able to ever call any of you by your 'given' names. just your chosen names, and I will always associate you by your original avatar pics... as I am rather dissassociated from myself enough already, I continued with the CC Joe thang, as well as the same Bulldog. ain't that 'just exactly perfect'? now I will always know who I am. but I still wonder... "I know who I am. Do you know who YOU are?" - Sid in Seinfeld peace. "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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"From day to day, just lettin' it ride,You get so far away from how it feels inside, You can't let go, 'cause you're afraid to fall, But the day may come when you can't feel at all."
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nice try, but nope. please try again! ( -: "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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An attempt at Get Smart humour. I determined the key it's in - A - it sounds as if it's going to be rock 'n rollish - so, before I run, I'm going to say Albama Getaway? "From day to day, just lettin' it ride, You get so far away from how it feels inside, You can't let go, 'cause you're afraid to fall, But the day may come when you can't feel at all."
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you guys want a separate space for your game? and don't throw nuthin' at me - I'm just tryin' to be helpful!
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the only thing I might EVER toss you, would be a cold beer, and that would be underhand... (ooohh, underhanded - love those double entendres) ( -; and don't think you can get me to toss you any clues, either... ( -: sure, why not set up a space called Cheesy Game Shows or if you think of a better title?? 'There ain't a winner in the game' 'The wolf came in, we sat down for a game' 'If the game is lost, then we're all the same' anyone else have a beter title. Shake down Street was 'just exactly perfect' for the hawkers!! damn, did I get a chuckle out of that... yeah, another link in this area would be very cool, then ANYONE who wants to post up trivia questions, or the name THAT show, or any of the other little mind games we could come up with could fit there... sure, please set it up and if possible, please move the related posts over there? or just re-name this one, and the other new 'free' space can continue as this one was intended to do... COOL! "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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and, deadicated, it ain't Alabama. ( -; "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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Sken: Just picking up on your Quixote's nod. I've spent a lot of time in there (all three incarnations) since the inception in '95, as well as his other three joints. Great place for great tunes in Denver
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nope, nice try, but not Prminsed land. please try again! "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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I don't know why/how the other post got 'out of order' And Justice for All AL!!!! Judge Rayford: Mr. Kirkland you are out of order! Arthur Kirkland: You're out of order! You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order! They're out of order! That man, that sick, crazy, depraved man, raped and beat that woman there, and he'd like to do it again! It's just a show! It's a show! It's "Let's Make A Deal"! "Let's Make A Deal"! Hey Frank, you wanna "Make A Deal"? I got an insane judge who likes to beat the shit out of women! Whaddya wanna gimme Frank, 3 weeks probation?
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the link from CCJoe due to I'm using Firefox, but aw what the hell, I'll guess "All Over Now."
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not all over now... babyblue... please try again. my current signature is NOT a hint. no hints on this show! peace! "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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I can understand why GRTUD's work 'puter would block out youtube, but I don't get why a program would not let you play the youtube vid?? did you try to click on the link that takes you to their site rather than hit play on the screen thang? peace. "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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I've noticed this with Firefox. It just doesn't take me where I like to ride sometimes... And Explorer (which graciously allows me to view youtube whatnot) is not cooperating.
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oooh, good tune, ooops. my conclusions were jumping. ( -; but no, it ain't 'I used to lover her and it's all over now' either... peace. "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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why the fuck is this thing posting posts out of order?? "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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keep trying to confuse the humble host more than he is already confused will get you disqualified... ( -: peace. "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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why it posts out of order but it's nice that I can live in the past for a spell.
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wtf? everything is out of order... and I am a pretty well organized guy. ummm, not really. ( -; peace. "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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I spend my life in the past.
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has passed. Passenger era early Brent (fall '79) is my favorite Passenger zone.
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Stab #IV - Johnny B. Goode "From day to day, just lettin' it ride, You get so far away from how it feels inside, You can't let go, 'cause you're afraid to fall, But the day may come when you can't feel at all."
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No! no es Johnny B. Bueno. buennnyo (long n with the ~ on top! pero bueno guess con mucho gusto, Senor Deadicatado. "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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Deal (??)
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Loser.
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this is getting pretty heated! not deal and not loser. nice try, but nope. please try again. ( -: peace. "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"
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Just for kicks, I call: Race is On I'm gonna get to work on the Playin' controversy to give y'all an idea of what I'm talkin' bout. Bozo Bus: I played at Quixote's once. Probably the best gig of my life, until the next one, of course! I'm just a, well...porpoise.
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OK, for starters, Jerry seemed to use the Wah-Wah pedal almost exclusively for "jams" and never really incorporated it into songs like he did with the Envelope Filter. The Envelope Filter brought you such tunes as: Shakedown Street and Estimated Prophet. Anyway, it doesn't seem fair to compare this Berkeley Community Theater 8-21-1972 Gem to anything, but check out the Playin' at this show: http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-08-21.sbd.hamilton.150.sbeok.shnf So, since I didn't want to compare it to a version that couldn't measure up, I chose one of the "Warlocks" shows from Hampton, VA. Check out the jam during Playin' here: http://www.archive.org/details/gd89-10-09.sbd.serafin.7721.sbeok.shnf Thats the Envelope Filter of which I speak that Jerry is using during the jam (as well as other midi). While it is trippy and fantastic, it feels to me like that old Wah-Wah captured the raw energy of the song better than the Envelope Filter and midi effects. I really liked Jerry's use of effects throughout his time on earth, but his Wah-Wah expeditions during Playin' back before I was born just floor me. Uh-oh, maybe I blew it when I was born. I disrupted his cosmic chi! Yikes! I now have a complex!! <>
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What form did you play in at Quixote's?
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it ain't race is on, but nice try. and thanks for the other details about the wah wah pedal etc. ahhh, Shakedown, one of my all time favorites, I might have thought that was a wah wah, since I don't know anthing about guitars, and effects... I'll give your links a listen later. I appreciate the links. I listened.... the songs were so hot, I forgot why I was listening to them! hmmm better or worse? no better no worse, same same but different. different. keep in mind, though I had great aspirations to become a rock and roll star, (who didn't) I am essentially tone deaf and lack any musical talent whatsoever... (though my harmonica skills aint too bad) so this is like asking a layman. because at the same time, you got different keyboards, Brent's playing the Hammond, B3 right?? so that adds some of the old trippy-ness... but, yeah, I see what you mean about the guitar not being QUITE as trippy... "never the same since Jerry ditched the wah wah" as you said before, hits the nail on the head... but I dig both sounds. by 1989 Jerry was using the Tiger and not the same Strat or whatever it was in 1972... that is another reason for the difference... no? wat the fuck do I know? the thing about the 89 version, v. the 72 version; during Jerry's leads in the jam... to my ears, the notes sound 'cleaner' that is, until the 'pitch' is it the pitch? what the fuck do you call it? the scale? no, the OCTIVE until the octive gets deeper, then I think the wah wah sounded better... that is about as much musical anlysis I can handle for one day... peace. thanks again for the links. love both shows. ( -: "The highway is for gamblers, you'd better use your sense. Take what you have gathered from coincidence"