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  • yamadog
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    flac or shn ?
    What Takes Up Less Hard Drive Space?
  • richard
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    Hal,Go here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAV It explains this better than I could. Peace, Richard
  • Hal R
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    I'm starting to get there. Here is another question. Is wav the same as Windows Media Audio Lossless or is wav something I need to download? I do know about not trading music that is not lossless. Remember that too from the days of tapes. I have been one of those guys lower on the totem pole that has generally benefited from the generosity of folks like you rather than an active trader. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. Wiliam Blake
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    Hal,For storage and trading, shn or flac is the best. Here is why - shn and flac are digital file formats. This means that they do not degenerate when copied multiple times (like tapes, you lose sound quality every time you copy an audio file). Also, digital files can withstand disc abuse better than audio files. If you scratch a disc with audio files on it, you are screwed. Not necessarily so with digital files. For listening, I would suggest burning as wav audio files. These are much more player friendly - can be played on most newer home and car CD players. No so with WMA files. When I send discs out on the vine, I burn them as wav files to CD. You can covert these to shn or flac files using Traderslittle helper. You can then store these digital files on CD or data DVD for backup in case the audio CDs get damaged. Also, lossless digital files take up about half the space of wav audio files. (The beauty of data DVD is you can store about 4 shows on a single disc). You can also burn multiple audio CDs from the digital files without losing sound quality. The one thing you don't want to do is take an audio CD, convert to digital then trade that file with someone who is expecting pristine digital files 'cause once you have converted to wav, then back to digital, you have "broken the seal" so to speak. Hope that helps. Richard
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    i store my shows in flac/shn format on Dvd's and then burn them onto cd's when i want to listen, or listen direct from the discs via foobar 2000 on my computer Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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    So I have just started to get involved in this whole ripping and burning of CDs and storing information on my computer this year and am starting to have lots of questions which I hope some of you can answer. I have Windows Media Player on my computer which is a Gateway laptop bought at the end of last year. When I started using the media player to rip music it offered several options of how to store information. I chose Windows Media Audio as the way to rip. I wonder if I should have chosen the Windows Media Lossless. Am I losing a lot of sound quality? Is the Windows Media Audio much higher quality than the mp3 option? I usually store all the music I get from the vine on my computer and then burn it to disc and play that. If I store it all in lossless it will fill up my hard drive. Then I would need to find other ways besides my computer hard drive to store the data. What is the easiest way to do that? I don’t know if I want the storage of music in yet another format to become a major hobby. (You wouldn’t know that the way I’ve been signing up for the vine.) I am not interested in being a vast reservoir of highest quality sound to trade I just want lots of good quality to listen to. What I do have from the vine I have shared with several of my deadhead friends around here and we are all pretty happy with what we are getting from it being stored as Windows Media Audio. It is much higher quality than the most of the tapes we listened to during the 70’s, 80’s, early 90’s. Are folks saving the vine discs in what format? What do you do with this stuff and what are your thoughts on the sound quality of the formats? Most of my listening is done with a Harman Kardon amp and BIC 6 speakers that are now 32 years old or on a high quality Panasonic portable disc player, so I am Old School and I still have those tapes. I ramble, how about some feedback on this ramble. Thanks. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. Wiliam Blake
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    I've got a few shows from sugarmegs that are an entire show in one 3+ hour track. What is a good way to split this big track into seperate, song length tracks so I can burn them down to CD, or to an ipod? Any advice would be welcome. I've been looking around and there seems to be software that claims it will do the job, but I don't want to buy anything until I can gain more knowledge on the issue. Thnx.
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    I have used a free program called Audacity which allows you to record a tape and then go back and seperate it into tracks. Its a bit intimidating at first but after you play around and go through the instructions it does what you want it to. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Eric
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    converting tapes to my computer
    What is the best way to get my old bootlegs onto my computer?
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    Heres the reasons Sugarmegs gives - sounds similiar to what your experiencing: "If you are absolutly STUCK with windows media player version 11 here is a workaround. FOR THOSE USING WINDOWS 2000 or WINDOWS XP, Right click the .asx file you want to listen to and download it to your desktop. Open it for text editing in notepad by right clicking on the downloaded .asx file. Do a search for ://mms (control f to search the text. Hint: its near the botton of the text.) and change it to ://http. Save and close it. Double click it to open it in Windows media player. You will not be able to fast forward the stream as you can with media player 9 or 10. FOR THOSE USING VISTA, you can simply click any .asx file and it will play as described above, no FF, without you having to do anything else. The reason for this is Microsoft is no longer supporting the ://mms protocol in player 11 which does not seem quite right to me but is the case neverless. Sugarmegs uses ://mms protocol because we use a 2000 server. " I hope that helps Eric
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Depending on which website you download from and what format you want to end up with, you'll need to have a computer hard drive with lotsa memory, good organizational skills to store, identify and locate the downloaded files, and a program to create the sound you want to hear. Traders download shn and flac files, converting them (thru expansion) into .cda or .wav files normally associated with conventional cd's. mp3 players utilize compressed files (.mp3). Tunes we trade in the Vineyard should never come from an mp3 file, due to the higher potential for corrupt or defective sound bytes. Do you already have software such as EZ CD Creator or Nero? I'm sure there are plenty of software choices out there. In order to expand the shn or flac files, visit www.phillesh.net, which has a good reference page on it's Download page, for downloading, converting and recording cd's. Also check www.eTree.org So many roads to ease my soul...Ease my soul!!
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Lately, I've had significant delays in successfully completing downloads from bt.etree.org. Is there a torrent tool to ease the process? I routinely clear space on my hard drive to enable storage, but the download speed is intolerably S L O W
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I have 1000+ GD show tapes with about 150 masters of either soundboard>D5 or various studio quality mics to D5 or Nak 550. I'm planning a once-in-a-lifetime transfer of these cassette tapes to digital and would like to discuss with an experienced individual issues such as analog playback, A/D hardware/conversion rates, and software. Thanks, John
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help! i knew how to download shows onto my pc from telasugarmegs. now i have a macbook and i can't figure out what to do. can someone help me? i am not that swift when it comes to computer stuff. you can email me at teenymonkey@hotmail.com or leave a message here.
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I just bought some Memorex DVD+R and the first 5 would not work. At first I thought my burnner was busted. Then my wife game me some HP dvds she had and they worked fine. I tried some in the middle of the Memorex stack and they worked too, I was just the first 5 that didnt. Has this ever happened to anyone else??
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Never had a problem with Memorex CDs, must've burned like 3000 by now, and it's only recently I've started burning DVDs (this damn vine addiction, I tell ya ) so I naturally picked Memorex. Now, occasionally, I'll have an issue burning DVDs (near the end of a burn my screen will go black and I have to do a hard reboot; it's happened with two different burning programs) but I don't think it's disc related - then again, wouldn't hurt to try the hp's. Especially with Vinezilla approaching ;*D ! Always thought that Memorex guy in the chair getting his hair blown back was pretty cool, though. Maybe you just got a bad stack of discs. I did get a bad stack once, but they were obviously damaged and I got them returned/replaced. ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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Ok, so I am new to all of this and no matter how I try, I cannot copy the files properly. I right click in tapers section and copy to my desktop. It does not offer me to download. Once copied to desktop I think its as an html, I cannot do anything with it. I have iTunes on my computer if that makes any difference... I look forward to the assistance because in my world marriage and 2 boys has been one long strange trip and at times I just need to get back to the good ole grateful dead.
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the tapers section clips are streaming only, no download.
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Thanks. so that means its for our listening enjoyment only when we are online and not when we please right?
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Yes, sbarer, you can only listen when online, you can't download them and burn them on CD.
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hey i posted a bit ago if anyone could help me with telasugarmegs and a mac. any takers???
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I've never messed with the sugarmegs site, but just from reading over it a bit it looks like the site wants Windows Media Player. I'm guessing there is a version of WMP that's ported to the Mac operating system, you might install it and see if sugarmegs is then happy with your Mac. Alternatively, Microsoft has Media Player plugins that will allow the Mac's built-in Quicktime software to deal with Media Player files. Here's the Microsoft webpage to get you started: www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/default.aspx Hope this helps, MarkintheDark ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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With the 09' tour tickets coming up for sale next week, does anyone know if they are still doing taper tickets?? I'm just trying to get my ducks in a row. Thanks for any replys... Capturing Live Audio...One Show At A Time...http://db.etree.org/gratefulbrad
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Would any of the vinners/seeders be interested in a vine with the Trader's Little Helper program. I could include TLH and some easy to follow instuctions, and maybe some cool shn/flac files to practice with. Even if some of you dont keep the shn/flac files in the vines, your cd's will sound better if they were burnt from them instead of wav. If anyones interested we could get it started.
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I am looking for info on taper ticket ordering procedure. GDTSToo isnt clear on the pricing for the tickets. I could use some assistance if anyone in the know could help with questions plz call me (334)354-5998. Or post a link with a tutorial from the ground up on how to get tix, to best equipment, to do's and donts. I am pretty green, but eager to learn.~Philip 42% of all statistics are made up.
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The prices are clear...true. They just dont indicate if you have to pay for the higher tier tickets for taper tickets. And in the case of Greensboro there are 3 pricing tiers. I found out from the GD hot line that all the taper tix must be purchased at the upper tier price except shoreline which offers taper tickets for the lawn. I am not sure which of the upper tier prices is required for Greensboro. Any other info is always appreciated. I am brand new at this so pardon my ignorance in advance, if I dont sound like an old pro, or make common sense assumptions that a veteran taper would. ~Philip 42% of all statistics are made up.
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I've mailed away to GDTS for taper's tix for the cali shows on the spring tour. If I get them what equipment do I need to tape the shows? How does the tapers section work? I've always dreamed of recording the shows I was at, and this is my first chance. Any help will be much appreaciated. thx Longrifle
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i made a vid using 2 tunes as background for a video I made and just found it was pulled for copyright violation - it said --- Your video, Grateful Fest 2008, may have audio content from Not Fade Away/Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad by The Grateful Dead that is owned or licensed by WMG. any suggestions from anyone on what to do - or am I at the mercy of WMG? pat in ohio
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GD Management mite call it copy right enfringement, what if you used dso tunes for gdtrfeelin bad, etc.,etc., could they get you for that??? Dude, just let me add that was a great U-tube video!!!! I hate to see it go, it really captured the essence of Nelsons Ledges!!Phatmoye
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(and others)--if you use a commercially released track for a YouTube video, yes, it is very likely to trigger the great RIAA computer in the sky and put the kibosh on your video. This is pretty much not news these days; it's related to the fact that when you import a purchased CD into iTunes, voila, it instantly knows what it is. That's the world in which we operate these days, for good or ill. If anyone runs into this issue with, say, the live version they taped in 1986, please say more.
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I don`t even copy vines or anything while i`m on line ... you never know what the great computer in the sky will do , or think ....
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RE: Longrifle - Taper's Tix / what equipment do I need to tape the shows. I see nobody has posted back for your question, so I'll try to answer it. You need to figure on being self sufficient (meaning being able to set your rig up independently - with no power or audio feeds) - but ready to capitalize on opportunities, if they arise (meaning have the patch cords available to take advantage if someone offers you a patch into the board). I would say, at a minimum, the equipment would be as follows: Battery powered tape recorder + extra batteries, Microphones & stands, Patch cords & head phones for monitoring, blank tapes. (or, these days, you could use a direct to hard drive recorder, if you have one). I don't believe they allow video recording, but I'm not sure on that. You could practice setting up your "rig" and recording various things, just to see how it goes & what you need. A collapsable stool *like a coleman camp stool) would be great, so you don't have to stand the entire time. PM me if you want more detailed information.
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Anyone know of a good source for itunes artwork when playing bootlegs? I've got about a 50:50 ratio of bootlegs & concerts (which don't have artwork) vs. owned albums & cds (which have artwork). Thanks
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I downloaded an old Stones concert last night (KC I.rar) I unzipped it, extracting the files to another folder where I now have several files w suffix .m4p Any idea how to put these on a cd? Are they similar to .wav and how do I convert ? First right answer gets a copy!
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http://www.psilo.com/dead/ This site has a ton of images of tickets, backstage passes and laminates listed by year and then by show. I just right click on an image, copy it and paste it into iTunes. It is great for bootleg shows. If you can't find an image there you might try wolfgangsvault.com. If all else fails I do a google image search for The Grateful Dead and copy something from there.
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I'd like to send my D7 DAT with a friend to the upcoming Shoreline show in May, to patch in with someone. I can't make it, unfortunately. Can any tapers who will be there send me a PM? Thanks.
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Hi folks,3 friends and I want to go in on abunch of digital downloads... we can't afford them solo. Anyone know how it would work if we try to share a few different shows on 4 or 5 computers. We aren't trying to pirate, etc... just get the music so we can afford it... thanks, Eric
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I have a question, attached to an enigma, wrapped in a conundrum. When I DL a torrent from somewhere like etree, I end up with a file with a name like gd71-10-21newd1t11.wav (after I convert from the flac or shn, only to wav lossless you understand, no mp3 for me!) There is no information attached to the file such as artist, track title, etc. that a file sharing program can recognize as a Grateful dead song. I have over 1000 shows on my drive I'd like to share. Is there a way to tell Windows to recognize ALL the files in a folder as a Grateful Dead song? I don't have time to go through 20,000 files and hit properties for each file and add the info. I guess I know what you are going to tell me already - I should just set up a site for file sharing and offer all this kind stuff as torrents. OK I just talked myself into it. Here's part 2 of the dillemma. I am pretty good with end-user stuff, but I've never even set up anything more complicated than a Myspace page. Dan anyone steer me to a source for step-by-step directions to set up a website with an archive that people can DL torrents from? I can tell your future, just look what's in your hand!
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can anyone help a brutha out. I need a few vhs dead stuff transfered to dvd. Of course you can have a copy. bruce
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Like duh. (Re: Alpine 89) No, I don't have any tapes to trade but I can and do produce professional quality audio. If anyone would like help polishing up a memory, I can certainly help with this. I'm actually looking for a full-length video of 7-19-89, as this is one of my personal memories, but I'll do this for free... just because I love you. ; ) (And, if such a thing should ever surface on the net, have faith that the proper credits will be given due in the tags and text.) My web addy is posted in my profile. Cheers.
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My server is down for a bit, but I don't want this floating and floating around out there anyway, so I uploaded these to a temporary host; if the files remain inactive for a month, they are automatically deleted. (Simply go down to the bottom of the linked pages and follow the link there to download.) Now... this is, more or less, a simple cleanup job. It can be taken a step or two further, depending on how loud and glassy one likes their audio (there is a sort of integrity with analogue recordings that can be a real touchy issue with audiophiles and, believe me, I understand completely) but, basically, what I am saying is that if you give me one of these: http://www.filefactory.com/file/a18a28h/n/DireWolf1.mp3 I can give you one of these: http://www.filefactory.com/file/a18a29b/n/DireWolf2.mp3 That's all! Enjoy.
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On archive.org when I download the mp3 files how do I access it on Windows Media Player? When I try to extract it, there are two copies of all the files and deleting one will delete the other. Is there a way to do this? Thank you.
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I have a new laptop with Windows 7. I have no state of the art audio software on it. I downloaded a bit torrent client called Vuze: it did eventually grab a feed off of eTree. Now that I have a bunch of FLAC files, what software works to convert the flacs to wav's? My XP pro desktop computer is now slower than molasses, but it does have an old converter called Flac Frontend. Does it work on Windows 7? Does anyone still use shn files? What's the best program for converting them? Ideally, one program for both file extensions is what I want. I have Windows Media as a player.
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Ok depending on what your doing with these files, to be honest its' best to leave them in flac, they sound better. But if you want to put them into Itunes you have to convert to mp3. So long story short the BEST media player around is free. It's called Winamp. It plays streams, flacs, mp3s, movies...almost everything. You don't have to use it for everything ( I use 4 different media players for reasons I won't bore you with) but this is my main one. You can also convert using this program. Which I will link up for you a help file. Winamp Converter Help Page Hope that helps. Critter ♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥ Twirly Banner
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what you need is Traders Little Helper (TLH). It does all sorts of conversions. It's what I and many others use. http://tlh.easytree.org/ Its quite easy to work out, this vid shows you how if you need help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjtvZGyWGAo but you will need a CD burning programme too once you have converted FLACs and SHNs to WAV with TLS. There should be a CD burner bundled in whatever is installed on your computer or there are lots you can download. Try burn4free.com good luck. PM me if you have any problems PM me if you need any more detailed help
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I just posted this in a different forum topic but anyone know a great freeware program that converts WAV to MP3? Does winamp do it? Please pm me or post the link here if you have a suggestion. Thanks in advance!
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to CD then rip the CD to MP3
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...thanks zepthompson that is a good idea, it would work...however for the sheer volume of the WAVs I need to do I would be wasting too many cdrs...still wondering about winamp...
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I am using Windows Media Player or Yahoo MusicMatch Jukebox to burn downloads or vines and I am wondering how to eliminate the pause between songs. Just cant seem to figure out how.. I know the people around here know their stuff and sure I will be pointed in the right direction. Thanks
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I am using Audacity to convert wav to mp3. I needed to install an additional .dll file but it was still fairly easy to do. Thanks for the input!
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Well, I suppose you can swat flies with hand grenades if you want to. You might also want to check out vlc. On linux, there is a nice simple, easy to use, lightweight tool called Gnome SoundConverter that will cheerfully render entire directories full ot tracks from one encoding format into a variety of others, including mp3 and OggVorbis. Since it's based on the gstreamer backend and built with GTK+ though, I wouldn't be looking for a windows port anytime soon. Or probably ever. As for burning seamless CD's, again on linux there is a tool called K3B that makes this rather simple. Just specify a gap of zero seconds between tracks and voila. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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I'am interested in an hdcd player. Does anyone know who maufactures them? Are they worth the cost? Thanks from the frozen North.
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Allis185: On my desktop pc, I use both Nero or Roxio's EZ CD Creator to make audio cd's composed with .wav files. In order to record or copy from a "good" cd, or from individual .wav files if you're custom-making a song list, select the Disc-At-Once (DAO) feature before recording or copying. I do not know if any free software will have the DAO function.
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.hey so i have been thinking about recording shows but have no idea where to start..like which mic's to use what kinda of recorder to buy ...etc... .any certain book to explain all the technical stuff.. do i need my own mixing board... my wife is part of the local music scene i realy what to record her jaming out. any info on where to start is highly appreciated.
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people record so much stuff on their phones and upload it to YouTube, I'm curious to know what the more serious are using...
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So I finally got my rig up and running and recorded my first show. The band is The Van Burens and they are amazingly good. Please take a listen and tell me what you think of my recording. If you really want to know about my rig sp c-4 > art preamp> pcm-m10. This track is raw no editing at all. jeffrey's world by muddy das
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Definiteky, for a first try. And the tune is quite good too. What instrument does your wife play?
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actual my is not on that but she does play tenor sax. The band is the van burens you should check them out. I think you would appreciate their sense of political humor.