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    Blair's Golden Road Blog - Loving Furthur

    I was skeptical at first. Furthur seemed to come out of nowhere.

    Back in mid-2009, The Dead (v3.0, with the Core Four augmented by Warren Haynes and Jeff Chimenti) had completed a big (overpriced) tour of large arenas that had garnered mostly raves from fans coast to coast. I dug the one show I saw, and heard the rest either on Archive.org or through a half-dozen or so soundboard recordings I purchased. But while many fans were talking breathlessly of possible fall tour dates for The Dead, I was not-so-secretly hoping that the last incarnation of Phil & Friends—with Jackie Greene, Larry Campbell, John Molo and Steve Molitz—was going to get back together and start touring smaller halls. That was my favorite post-GD group—they seemed so joyous, alive and full of energy, and they served the Dead’s songs, Jackie’s great tunes and all the fabulous covers they tackled so wonderfully well. I had hoped they would stay together for years, maybe develop a bunch of original tunes.

    It was not to be. First The Dead pushed them aside, then in August 2009 Bob and Phil formed Furthur, effectively putting an end to both Phil & Friends and RatDog in one fell swoop, at least for the time being. (I have friends who feel the same way about “losing” RatDog as I did about losing that edition of P&F.) I was initially disappointed that Mickey and Bill were evidently not going to be a part of Furthur—the Rhythm Devils’ segment having been a favorite part of my Grateful Dead experience, and also in The Dead—and I wondered whether the “Garcia guy” from Dark Star Orchestra would be a good choice. I didn’t much care for the one DSO show I attended at the Fillmore in SF, and I couldn’t quite picture what it would be like to hear John Kadlecik (who?) in the Garcia slot with Bobby and Phil.

    I think all of us have wrestled to varying degrees with what we wanted to hear from the lead guitarists in Phil’s and Bobby’s bands. Bob made it simple by choosing Mark Karan for RatDog early on—a tremendous player who had clearly listened to Garcia a lot, could quote his guitar parts accurately when called upon, but still had a lot of his own personality. Phil & Friends has, of course, been all over the map, with countless lineups and scads of guitarists in different combinations. How many of these folks who played multiple shows with Phil did you see? Stan Franks, Trey Anastasio, Steve Kimock, David Nelson, Warren Haynes, Barry Sless, Jeff Mattson, Al Schnier, Paul Barrere, Derek Trucks, Jorma Kaukonen, Robben Ford, Jeff Pevar, Jimmy Herring, Ryan Adams, John Scofield, Larry Campbell, Jackie Greene … that’s most (but not all) of ’em! Then there were a slew of different keyboardists and singers, so you never quite knew what you were going to get with Phil & Friends from season to season.

    Phil and his guitarists turned the Grateful Dead’s catalog inside out and upside down in a truly bold ongoing experiment. Some lineups were better than others, some hewed closer to the Dead’s arrangements than others. Robben Ford and John Scofield are outstanding guitarists (musicians’ musicians, as the cliché goes), but I didn’t appreciate their interpretation of Grateful Dead music for the most part. The long-lasting quintet (nicknamed the PLQ) with Haynes, Herring, Rob Barraco and John Molo never sounded that much like the Dead (though Herring moved more and more in Garcia’s direction as time went on). But they put such an interesting spin on the songs that they sounded like a real band that just happened to play a lot of Grateful Dead music. They were too noodly for some, not Dead-like enough for others, but they made some mighty music along the way.

    Personally, I always enjoyed those hints and dollops of Jerry you’d get from guitarists such as Karan, Kimock, Sless, Trey and Larry Campbell, because who are we kidding? That is the great void we’re always looking to fill. And you know what—nobody is going to ever fill it. I know a number of hardcore Dead Heads who will not go see any of the post-Garcia bands. As one friend put it not too long ago, “Jerry was my guy. If he’s not there, I’m not interested.” That’s fine. I totally respect that viewpoint, though I strongly disagree. I’ve been interested in checking out every band that’s come down the pike involving the former GD members. We’ve come this far together, I trust ’em!

    Official poster for 2011 Colorado Furthur shows.
    Image by Mike DuBois ©2011
    (Reproduced here to honor my best friend
    and fellow Dead Head Jon Hoffman,
    who died skiing March 21, 2011.
    He loved this poster.)

    Which brings us back to Furthur. Much to my surprise, I love this band. It turns out I really like hearing someone who plays in the Garcia oeuvre so well out there mixing it up with Bob and Phil, who seem to be having a great time with this group, as well. It’s not just that JK “speaks” their language; he has internalized it to such a degree that it flows out of him naturally and effortlessly. And that is not an easy accomplishment. As I’ve said many times, you cannot fake good improvisational music, any more than you can fake speaking a foreign language with vocabulary alone. John has serious chops, and with each passing month he’s moved “furthur” out of his old DSO comfort zone by bringing new textures and ideas to songs we’ve all heard a million times. I like that he’s confident enough to sing Jerry’s big ballads—“Comes A Time,” “Stella Blue,” “Wharf Rat,” “So Many Roads,” “Morning Dew,” etc.— and he plays the hell out of all of them. There are those who think some or all of those songs are untouchable. Nonsense. They’re GREAT songs that should be heard by current and future generations of concertgoers, no matter who sings or plays them. I’ve been deeply moved by every one of those songs at Furthur shows. I also love what John does with a pair of Ryan Adams tunes, “Nobody Girl” and “Magnolia Mountain,” heavy numbers that fit perfectly with Hunter-Garcia classics.

    What’s even more exciting is that probably a third or more of Furthur’s repertoire are songs that Garcia very rarely played or never played at all. I think it’s a real treat that we get to hear gnarled and twisted versions of “Viola Lee Blues” in 2011; that we get to enjoy Furthur’s take on the entire “Terrapin Station” suite (which the Grateful Dead never performed live) and totally nail it, time after time; that Phil’s haunting “Mountains of the Moon” has taken that song to places Jerry never imagined; that these guys are fearless enough to attempt “Blues for Allah,” “Rosemary,” “What’s Become of the Baby” and even “Alice D. Millionaire.” Jerry played “King Solomon’s Marbles” in concert just six times in his lifetime. Furthur has made it a signature tune and it kills. Why shouldn’t a new generation enjoy the thrill of belting out “St. Stephen” with Phil, Bob and company? It’s been great hearing this band interpret some of the best original RatDog tunes—“Money for Gasoline,” “Ashes and Glass” and “Two Djinn”—and to watch the development of Furthur originals such as “Seven Hills of Gold,” “Colors of the Rain” and “Big Bad Blues,” and retoolings like “Mountain Song” and “High on a Mountain.” There’s an adventurous and playful side to this group that allows them to give the ol’ college try to all of Abbey Road, The Clash’s “Train in Vain” and Pink Floyd’s “Eclipse”; not to mention suddenly letting Warren Haynes sing “Blue Sky” and sit in for a set, and inviting Elvis Costello, Larry Campbell and Diana Krall to join them recently at Radio City. This band is into constantly shakin’ it up, and that’s part of what keeps it so interesting for me. I also love that they play mostly cool places.

    There’s just so much to like about this group, from drum beast Joe Russo to keyboard titan Jeff Chimenti to singers Jeff Pehrson and Sunshine Becker—all major contributors to the band’s dynamic and varied sound.

    I feel sad for the folks who can’t (or won’t, on principle) appreciate the incredible spirit and skill of Furthur. It’s not the Grateful Dead. (This just in—Jerry has been dead more than 15 years!) But it’s something new, at the same time it harks back to something old. It’s weird and reckless and strange and uplifting and heartfelt and rocking. Nearly all of the songs they play speak to my soul. No shame in digging this to the max while it’s here. So, put me down as a Furthur believer.

    What’s been YOUR experience with post-Jerry bands involving former Grateful Dead members?

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    devilnation666
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    PLQ and why they were the best
    Hey Blair, I have enjoyed your work over the years especially the Golden Road. I loved reading the mag and the careful, insightful and overall joyus nature of the reviews and stories. You , obviously, care about the music and it shows in your work. Thanks for that. I must differ with you regarding Furthur. I could go into great depth but there's really no need. Furthur does satisfy on one level: seeing people from back in the day. I have seen f Furthur twice and while the music I found to be genuinely lacking the crowd was fantastic. I say fantastic meaning this: there were many more old faces that I recognized-many more than I thought would be there. Dancing with a pocket of old heads who know what they are doing brought tears to my eyes. Cause let's face it-the music will never be the same or as good...and we'd be foolish to expect it. However this is the exact reason why I think PLQ was the best post Jerry band. Phil , and band, worked diligently to RE-DEFINE the GD songbok. Tha's wahat made the music so killer. You knew the song but had no idea where it would go. And the level of musicianship exhibited on stage was of such enormous proportions they could carry it off. In my opinion the tandem of warren and jimmy..combines with Phil's resolute weirdness and Molo-the octopus- made for some super sick shows. I think PLQ was more for the people who wanted it to be different yet still of a very high musical quality. Furthur, it seems to me, is more for the average GD fan...the ones who want it to more resemble the GD. Not sure if that makes sense but that's all I got. Thanks again for the great work through the years. When are you gonna make a Golden Road box set of magazines? There's definitely a market for that. I see them on ebay occasionally. Later man.
  • marye
    13 years ago
    okay, I admit it
    at the time, I really loved Frampton Comes Alive. In fact I've probably still got it around here somewhere... But I wouldn't have had the energy for Day on the Green even then!
  • pomo1
    13 years ago
    Blair
    A big reason we are going to see Frampton is that he is playing in Gilford New Hampshire, where our friends just built a magnificent home by the mountains. The venue is outside, right by the lake with a "w" that I can't spell. We will spend the whole July 4th weekend up there, so even if Frampton sucks, the weekend will be great.The website notes that he will be playing the entire Frampton Comes Alive album. I don't know whether that is good or bad. I am sure I will be thinking about seeing Furthur two weeks later in the Catskills. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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I was skeptical at first. Furthur seemed to come out of nowhere.

Back in mid-2009, The Dead (v3.0, with the Core Four augmented by Warren Haynes and Jeff Chimenti) had completed a big (overpriced) tour of large arenas that had garnered mostly raves from fans coast to coast. I dug the one show I saw, and heard the rest either on Archive.org or through a half-dozen or so soundboard recordings I purchased. But while many fans were talking breathlessly of possible fall tour dates for The Dead, I was not-so-secretly hoping that the last incarnation of Phil & Friends—with Jackie Greene, Larry Campbell, John Molo and Steve Molitz—was going to get back together and start touring smaller halls. That was my favorite post-GD group—they seemed so joyous, alive and full of energy, and they served the Dead’s songs, Jackie’s great tunes and all the fabulous covers they tackled so wonderfully well. I had hoped they would stay together for years, maybe develop a bunch of original tunes.

It was not to be. First The Dead pushed them aside, then in August 2009 Bob and Phil formed Furthur, effectively putting an end to both Phil & Friends and RatDog in one fell swoop, at least for the time being. (I have friends who feel the same way about “losing” RatDog as I did about losing that edition of P&F.) I was initially disappointed that Mickey and Bill were evidently not going to be a part of Furthur—the Rhythm Devils’ segment having been a favorite part of my Grateful Dead experience, and also in The Dead—and I wondered whether the “Garcia guy” from Dark Star Orchestra would be a good choice. I didn’t much care for the one DSO show I attended at the Fillmore in SF, and I couldn’t quite picture what it would be like to hear John Kadlecik (who?) in the Garcia slot with Bobby and Phil.

I think all of us have wrestled to varying degrees with what we wanted to hear from the lead guitarists in Phil’s and Bobby’s bands. Bob made it simple by choosing Mark Karan for RatDog early on—a tremendous player who had clearly listened to Garcia a lot, could quote his guitar parts accurately when called upon, but still had a lot of his own personality. Phil & Friends has, of course, been all over the map, with countless lineups and scads of guitarists in different combinations. How many of these folks who played multiple shows with Phil did you see? Stan Franks, Trey Anastasio, Steve Kimock, David Nelson, Warren Haynes, Barry Sless, Jeff Mattson, Al Schnier, Paul Barrere, Derek Trucks, Jorma Kaukonen, Robben Ford, Jeff Pevar, Jimmy Herring, Ryan Adams, John Scofield, Larry Campbell, Jackie Greene … that’s most (but not all) of ’em! Then there were a slew of different keyboardists and singers, so you never quite knew what you were going to get with Phil & Friends from season to season.

Phil and his guitarists turned the Grateful Dead’s catalog inside out and upside down in a truly bold ongoing experiment. Some lineups were better than others, some hewed closer to the Dead’s arrangements than others. Robben Ford and John Scofield are outstanding guitarists (musicians’ musicians, as the cliché goes), but I didn’t appreciate their interpretation of Grateful Dead music for the most part. The long-lasting quintet (nicknamed the PLQ) with Haynes, Herring, Rob Barraco and John Molo never sounded that much like the Dead (though Herring moved more and more in Garcia’s direction as time went on). But they put such an interesting spin on the songs that they sounded like a real band that just happened to play a lot of Grateful Dead music. They were too noodly for some, not Dead-like enough for others, but they made some mighty music along the way.

Personally, I always enjoyed those hints and dollops of Jerry you’d get from guitarists such as Karan, Kimock, Sless, Trey and Larry Campbell, because who are we kidding? That is the great void we’re always looking to fill. And you know what—nobody is going to ever fill it. I know a number of hardcore Dead Heads who will not go see any of the post-Garcia bands. As one friend put it not too long ago, “Jerry was my guy. If he’s not there, I’m not interested.” That’s fine. I totally respect that viewpoint, though I strongly disagree. I’ve been interested in checking out every band that’s come down the pike involving the former GD members. We’ve come this far together, I trust ’em!

Official poster for 2011 Colorado Furthur shows.
Image by Mike DuBois ©2011
(Reproduced here to honor my best friend
and fellow Dead Head Jon Hoffman,
who died skiing March 21, 2011.
He loved this poster.)

Which brings us back to Furthur. Much to my surprise, I love this band. It turns out I really like hearing someone who plays in the Garcia oeuvre so well out there mixing it up with Bob and Phil, who seem to be having a great time with this group, as well. It’s not just that JK “speaks” their language; he has internalized it to such a degree that it flows out of him naturally and effortlessly. And that is not an easy accomplishment. As I’ve said many times, you cannot fake good improvisational music, any more than you can fake speaking a foreign language with vocabulary alone. John has serious chops, and with each passing month he’s moved “furthur” out of his old DSO comfort zone by bringing new textures and ideas to songs we’ve all heard a million times. I like that he’s confident enough to sing Jerry’s big ballads—“Comes A Time,” “Stella Blue,” “Wharf Rat,” “So Many Roads,” “Morning Dew,” etc.— and he plays the hell out of all of them. There are those who think some or all of those songs are untouchable. Nonsense. They’re GREAT songs that should be heard by current and future generations of concertgoers, no matter who sings or plays them. I’ve been deeply moved by every one of those songs at Furthur shows. I also love what John does with a pair of Ryan Adams tunes, “Nobody Girl” and “Magnolia Mountain,” heavy numbers that fit perfectly with Hunter-Garcia classics.

What’s even more exciting is that probably a third or more of Furthur’s repertoire are songs that Garcia very rarely played or never played at all. I think it’s a real treat that we get to hear gnarled and twisted versions of “Viola Lee Blues” in 2011; that we get to enjoy Furthur’s take on the entire “Terrapin Station” suite (which the Grateful Dead never performed live) and totally nail it, time after time; that Phil’s haunting “Mountains of the Moon” has taken that song to places Jerry never imagined; that these guys are fearless enough to attempt “Blues for Allah,” “Rosemary,” “What’s Become of the Baby” and even “Alice D. Millionaire.” Jerry played “King Solomon’s Marbles” in concert just six times in his lifetime. Furthur has made it a signature tune and it kills. Why shouldn’t a new generation enjoy the thrill of belting out “St. Stephen” with Phil, Bob and company? It’s been great hearing this band interpret some of the best original RatDog tunes—“Money for Gasoline,” “Ashes and Glass” and “Two Djinn”—and to watch the development of Furthur originals such as “Seven Hills of Gold,” “Colors of the Rain” and “Big Bad Blues,” and retoolings like “Mountain Song” and “High on a Mountain.” There’s an adventurous and playful side to this group that allows them to give the ol’ college try to all of Abbey Road, The Clash’s “Train in Vain” and Pink Floyd’s “Eclipse”; not to mention suddenly letting Warren Haynes sing “Blue Sky” and sit in for a set, and inviting Elvis Costello, Larry Campbell and Diana Krall to join them recently at Radio City. This band is into constantly shakin’ it up, and that’s part of what keeps it so interesting for me. I also love that they play mostly cool places.

There’s just so much to like about this group, from drum beast Joe Russo to keyboard titan Jeff Chimenti to singers Jeff Pehrson and Sunshine Becker—all major contributors to the band’s dynamic and varied sound.

I feel sad for the folks who can’t (or won’t, on principle) appreciate the incredible spirit and skill of Furthur. It’s not the Grateful Dead. (This just in—Jerry has been dead more than 15 years!) But it’s something new, at the same time it harks back to something old. It’s weird and reckless and strange and uplifting and heartfelt and rocking. Nearly all of the songs they play speak to my soul. No shame in digging this to the max while it’s here. So, put me down as a Furthur believer.

What’s been YOUR experience with post-Jerry bands involving former Grateful Dead members?

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I was skeptical at first. Furthur seemed to come out of nowhere. Back in mid-2009, The Dead (v3.0, with the Core Four augmented by Warren Haynes and Jeff Chimenti) had completed a big (overpriced) tour of large arenas that had garnered mostly raves from fans coast to coast. I dug the one show I saw, and heard the rest either on Archive.org or through a half-dozen or so soundboard recordings I purchased. But while many fans were talking breathlessly of possible fall tour dates for The Dead...

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I admit I am ignorant regarding the experimentalist guitar players you mentioned, but I was enthralled when Phil on bass and Diana Krall on the piano were collaborating during "Fever." His range never ceases to amaze me. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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I totally 100% agree with the post!The Furthur shows I've seen and show CD's I've heard are great! They continue to evolve and get more comfortable with who's who in the band. The injection of guests and cover material is fresh and innovative. Everyone should see them!
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Hey, Got a good topic going on here,blairj. For me, anything that Bill gets up to post Garcia has been interesting. Saw a few BK3(KBM) shows in small venues back in 2008.Enjoyed the power trio configuration of that outfit.Stumbled out of a 200 seat club at 1:45 a.m.A great value for any enterainment budget.The Rhythm Devils put together a fine group of players last summer.Sept.4th,2010 Hampton Beach,N.H.is a fine example of that music.(Recall that this venue is also the epicenter of the beginning of the post-Jerry music Era.Ratdog show on 8/9/1995 -Heaven's Door encore that night) Don't hear too much from the Dead community in general regarding the 7 Walkers. Papa Mali music and Robert Hunter lyrics.Not only is this record compelling,but the supporting live show with George Porter,jr joining the rhythm section was one of the most INTENTIONAL projects that I have enjoyed post-Jerry.If time allows,put on a set headphones and get as close to this record as you can.Some of the Hunter words are for the Ages! It is truly "an open love letter to the city of New Orleans" Oh Yeah, that Furthur band ain't too bad either! "Feed me to the tigers throw my legs across the moon"--R.Hunter, King Cotton Blues
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After 1995 I was definitely on the "No Jerry? No way!" kick as regarded the post-Grateful incarnations. This lasted quite a while for me, which was unfortunate, because at the very least, catching a few concerts here and there would still keep me in touch with the DH community. But, I was closed-minded to the whole thing. Sometime last year I decided to check out some Furthur stuff online and was really impressed. I thought hell, these guys are really doing this music justice. Caught some more shows online and saw them live last fall. Now, I'm really digging them. Here is a snippet from a blog review I wrote after that show: "The crowd was into it, and the band was very good, indeed. Just as soon as I heard the opening notes of "Half-Step" as we entered the venue, I realized just how much I had missed this music in a live setting. It was a really fine show, and I had more fun seeing Furthur than I ever had at any Phish show. Phil and Bobby are getting up there, but both are still showing up and laying it down, and the rest of the band really cooks. It's a fine celebration of what I consider to be some of the best music ever. I hope these guys come around again." Joe P.S. Blair, I just noticed your caption under the poster. So sorry about your loss!!
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How hot was that version of After Midnight from 3/13? Totally smoking...
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Seems every time a group springs forth anew post Jerry, there is much hyperventilating and joyous praise....til the next thing happens and everyone fesses up to what they didn't like about the last thing. Furthur is fine and we'll all have fun, til the next thing and that's when we will gripe that Furthur's jams didn't have the real tension and release of GD Til the next time
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That is not true, the newest is not always always the best. Just look at the number of people coming to the shows. When Ratdog and Phil and friends came to town tickets were easy to get, now Furthur is selling out and you better grab tickets fast. There is way more MAGIC when Phil and Bob are together, and John just fits better and contributes way more to Phil and Bob than Warren or any other guitar player that played with post Grateful dead bands My thoughts on JOHN are just my opinion but the larger crowds are FACT many old Heads are coming back
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Anyone else notice the absence of reporting/reviewing of Furthur by NYT. Furthur has not even been listed in the Friday concert listings during their recent runs. Curious?
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Does seem to prove a point. Glad they flash=backed to the older, smaller venues and hope they stay in those in those kind of places.
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Seen the boys (and one girl with great pipes) twice now, first in Redmond WA last september which was a very nice intro to the band. Awesome outdoor venue and a nice small crowd. The second time in SF at Uncle BOBO's place on dec 30th and holy music they blew the roof of that place what a setlist. This band has such a good chemistry its flawless and the harmonies out of this world,its nice to hear Phil take the lead vocals from time to time WE LOVE YOU PHIL My only regret is that Jay Lane is back with Primus and not drumming with Furthur anymore, Oh well maybe in the future Look forward to many more this year can't wait to go furthur.....Peace out
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Funny to read the negative comment posted about Phil singing ROSEMARY. I just listened to that show last night and was thrilled to hear them actually tackle that song live and THEN follow it up with MORNING DEW! This is amazing that we get to hear songs like this in what is now a structureless environment insomuch as the set list goes. I could not be happier. And while I do think that, perhaps, ROSEMARY might be slightly better served by letting Sunshine sing this one WITH Phil (I just think the song would be even lovelier with her accompaniment), I'm just overjoyed to see these songs resurrected. And I also must add, it seems very clear to me that Phil has spent some serious time working on his vocal skills. He is now finding how to sing many of these songs in a manner that suits his voice, changing his intonations and approach to many of these tunes. To me, he sounds better than EVER. Sure, he'll never be a GREAT vocalist, but he has put the time and effort into really finding his voice and it shows. So I say, KEEP ON SINGING, PHIL! By the same token, I have noticed that Bobby's voice is a little more shrill than it used to be, not quite as melodic as it once was. He certainly has his own style. Bobby's rendition of BLACK PETER is certainly quite different from Jerry's take on it. And I would be lying if I said it hasn't taken me a little while to get used to it. But it's Bobby's song now and I'm happy to go there with him. I love what these guys are doing in Furthur. I haven't been this excited about a band in a very, very long time. Feelin' thankful for the music.
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Just realized that the negative comment I was responding to was re WHAT'S BECOME OF THE BABY and not ROSEMARY. I've listened to that as well and all I can say is BABY has always been a very weird, psychedelic tune that, in a live setting, should be open to serious bizarre interpretations. IMHO. So what I said about Phil below still stands, for me. Who would have thought these tunes would ever see the light of day again? This is a band unafraid to take risks. And that is the environment of true artists. I applaud them and admire them. And can't wait to see them again. And to think it took Jerry's death for the rest of the band to open up this way. I miss Jerry more than words can tell, and I would have loved to have seen GD rediscover themselves and these songs as Furthur is doing now. But that was not meant to be. But what we DO have now is a wonderful thing.
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Well another good subject which also circles back to the last subject on the healing powers of music.I find the contrast & comparisons of bands, musicians, & in this instance, guitarists, to be at best mildly interesting but generally more about our own self expression. In a university literature class the professor suggested that when we experience a piece of art, in whatever form, we should consider attempting to, ‘dispense with our disbelief. As a way to have the optimal chance of experiencing what the artist intended to communicate & even as a way to get the most of our time & money, in the case of a concert ticket. So as to the discussion of who is better at this or that, it all seems to be much ado over very subjective issues, kind of like comparing Albert Pujols to Alex Rodriguez in baseball or Sam Bush to David Grisman on the mandolin or Jerry Garcia to Tony Rice on the acoustic 6 string . The magic & joy in the arts & especially to those of us who are music lovers, is to understand how to open ourselves to be moved by the many great & talented musical artists that exist. So the experience of being moved by the truly evocative playing of Jerry Garcia should make us want to hear more of that in his playing but also to be open to that quality in other musicians or players regardless of the art or the sport for that matter. So to compare John K. to Jerry or W. Haynes to Larry Campbell or Kimock to Trey, is all simply bleacher conjecture. My wife & I enjoyed the Dead & JGB but also many other groups like Los Lobos, Little Feat, Doc Watson & David Grisman, Sam Bush & Bela Fleck, Emmylou Harris, Allison Krause & Union Station & King Sunny Ade & Willie Nelson, just to name a few. If the playing is evocative & moves you & makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up, then so be that & be thankful you were able to have that much fun because, in the long run, that experience must have healing powers beyond what we can imagine. Perhaps helps us all be a bit more forgiving or patient so that when things get odd we can go back to that memory & relive that magic & fun! So it is good & fitting that the music should never stop!
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Great article! We now need to put aside the disagreements Bill and Mickey and make Furthur whole and at large. Your grandkids will thank you and it's time now. I love Russo GREAT drummer Furthur might look good with 3 drummers/percussion These guys are raking the cash!! No denying We need that Drums/Space back again now! Before it's too late.
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I've seen all of the post-Jerry configurations except Phil and friends, and have enjoyed all of them.No, they're not the Grateful Dead. But they're the closest we're gonna get these days. Furthur and the rest of the lineups (and yes, DSO) channel the GD's music, keep it alive and re-interpret it in interesting ways and I love attending their shows. One Rat Dog show I attended at the beautiful Art Deco Wiltern in L.A. was as good as any GD show I attended. A DSO show I attended shortly after seeing Furthur last year rocked harder than Furthur (of course, DSO played in a much smaller venue and were able to crank it really loud, whereas Further had to keep the volume down at the outdoor venue they played). Like Blair, I can understand those heads who refuse to see any post-Jerry lineup, but I disagree with their POV. Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
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I've seen most of the post Dead bands and Furthur is by far my favorite, although Ratdog was on a great run. I like that Jeff, John and Joe take off running and Phil and Bob have to get going to stay on board. Jeff, John and Joe are real hot sh!t musicians who really could play in any style and have a huge musical bag of tricks. There is no weak link in this band. Setlists are consistently diverse, and Seven Hills of Gold is a great new song that belongs to these guys. I hope they keep it going.
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I've had this discussion more times than I can remember. The one obvious fact -- Jerry is gone and the music will never be the same. The unresolved questions -- where does that leave the music and how good is it today. No doubt JK is a gifted musician, just as many of the folks who have played in various post-GD bands are. My biggest beef is that most of these bands exist for what, 6 months, a year or two? I think Further might just be the longest living post GD band ever (not counting Ratdog because, well, I just don't). And it is in that fact (and probably also the fact that they play off pre-scripted set lists every night) which explains why the ">", in written set lists, is almost always misleading. There are, in fact, very, very few actual transitional jams in this music. Most often, one tune peters out, someone counts off the next, and away they go. Not exactly the sort of spontaneous, improvisation that I get off on. Part of this has to do with the crazy (by GD standards) set lists they come up with. It seems like so many of the Further set lists are written from a pure "mix it up/surprise 'em" perspective, as opposed to doing it from a purely musical perspective where certain keys or chord progressions lend themselves naturally to shifting to other keys and/or chord progressions. Which is okay, I guess, but that makes it pretty tough, if not entirely impossible, for the musicians to actually transition from one tune to the other -- which helps to explain why they don't. Aside from that, my big gripe, is that so many of these tunes seem to have been transformed into arena anthems. That has a tiny bit to do with the arrangements, but mostly with the crowd. Remember the good'l days, when Jerry could sing a tune like Morning Dew and it seems like no matter where they were playing (except maybe the Garden or Spectrum), you could here a pin drop in the hall when everything calmed down and Jerry mused plaintively on the nuclear dawn and a couple's surrender to it. Even when Jerry turned up his guitar and began what everybody knew was going to turn into wave after ever bigger wave of pure bliss -- there usually would be a muted sort of cheer -- everyone, or most folks, seeming to understand that the statement, in context -- I guess it doesn't matter, any way -- really isn't the sort of thing that should prompt you to high five your buddy and slam another beer. That sorta thing doesn't seem to happen any more, for whatever reason. Blair says he feels sad for people like me. I'll take the pity. I honestly wish I could get off on this music as much as so many people seem to. But for me, while it has its moments, I mostly find it a bit boring.
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your comments are insightful and certainly valid. Even though I enjoy Furthur, it bothers me that the setlists and so-called transitions are scripted. Maybe if these guys stay together long enough they will develop some of the intimate connection that allowed the Dead to feed off each other and move blindly into whatever they felt like playing as a unit. No official setlist--just play what you feel like playing. But don't kid yourself; it was Jerry who insisted on abandoning the structure free sets of the sixties. Phil has written that he despised the pattern of first set having shorter individual songs with an occasional segue, followed by a second set with longer jams with drums in the middle. Jerry insisted on remaining true to that pattern. However, short of that these guys are really a joy to see live. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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I agree with all those who feel that the current Furthur line-up is the Best post-Jerry band in the Dead 'oeuvre'! I didn't see all of Phil's line-ups, but I did see many of 'em. I was a Brent-era Deadhead. Saw about 50 shows between '85 and '90 (and one in '95). Saw JGB, acoustic Jerry, then early Furthur, The Other Ones, Ratdog, Phil & Friends (of course), The Dead, etc.Not only is this band the best, but as others have pointed out, they keep getting better! This 'Abbey Road' tour has been the best so far. I also want to recommend the film The Music Never Stopped. I just saw it last night and it is phenomenal. I've been interested in music therapy for years, but it's definitely fun for the whole family and just a great movie. Check it out! Hope Furthur keeps rockin'. Peace.
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I don't disagree with your observations at all--the songs petering out, the forced transitions, etc. I've just made a different decision that I'm gonna go with it, because it's been fun for me. I love that the post-JG bands will mix stuff up for the sake of mixing stuff up, because the Dead got to be very predictable there towards the end. Sixteen years down the line I'd bet we'd still be waiting for "The Eleven" to appear, and we never would have heard "Cream Puff War" while Jerry was still around. So I'll take the cool stuff as it's offered and accept that it's not the Grateful Dead way of doing things.

As for the Furthur crowds, they ARE disappointingly chatty, but hey, I remember a GD "High Time" in NYC that sounded like a cocktail party, and many, many episodes of bad crowd behavior, which I railed about ad nauseum in The Golden Road, wearing my Angry School Marm guise ;-)

But it's a more distracted age now, too, in general. Not sure even Jerry could hold the attention of folks with a less-than-great first set "Row Jimmy" today...

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It is worth remembering that when the GD really did try to mix up what had by then become the utterly predictable linking of songs -- in 1985 -- some of those transitions could hardly be called elegant. As far as the crowds go -- I have my own memories like your High Time memory Blair, but they were the exception, not the rule. By contrast, every Furthur and P&F show I have been to has been remarkable for how little close listening seems to be going on. I don't think you can blame it entirely on the age. Our main diet of live music is jazz, and while it is a different scene to be sure, even with acts that draw a younger (okay fine, "youngish") crowd, nobody talks and everyone listens intently. Going to a GD concert was never like going to listen to Brad Mehldau at the Village Vanguard, but the two used to have much more in common than they do now.
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i think this band does some nice transitions both song transitions in the WRS>he's gone>uncle john's from hampton were smooth and gentle so were they in the china cat>shakedown>black peter from that show i will admit that there still are pretty clear dividing lines between the songs in these examples while the really really great transitions do conatin periods of time where it just cant definatively be said whether or not they have moved on to the next song i do think a lot of good ole GD sets were more planned than people often think as evidenced by the bob weir comment from that 77 dick's picks where he says something about their long involved plan and asked the crowd to wish them good luck remembering it by making setlists they may eliminate their own surpises but are able to surprise us even better and the new arrangements are cool, for instance they do the bridge ("see here how everything...") of black peter twice in the song now
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The "mix it up/suprise em" perspective is what makes it work for them. If a "new" perspective is what keeps their passion strong then by all means surprise me! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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One time through the bridge was quite enough IMO. Two is unnecessary and diminishes the power of the song...
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(Definitely one time on the bridge - "Shine through my window" - this IS the last time) When I first checked the LMA for Furthur, I was most interested in hearing how John K. would fair. But what caught me ear and who I found most in there was the drummer Russo - much more subtle than Molo. Not like Bill K. was ago, but with similar sensibilities. I'd like to read Bill K's take on Mr. Russo. As for transitions the repertoire is far too large for the kinds heard back in the day. Dark Star > Eyes from 2-15-73 is an example - it had to do with growth and new tunes melding with what they already knew. The Other One was a perfect domain for Me & My Uncle to climb into. All in all a lot of joy is taking place and that's what's most important - Viva Adelante! " Where does the time go? "
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So interesting to get all different perspectives. Personally for me, I'm glad to have disposed of drums and space, though not because I didn't like them. In fact, I LOVED them. But what I didn't like was that from mid-78 on, the second set became structured around Drums->Space; it was no longer organic. I always wished Drums and Space could just come as they were felt, as they had in the past. And I did wish that the boys had been able to mix up the set lists more. The structure and placement of songs became very predictable. Not to mention that, for me, the actual musicianship became quite sketchy post-84 (I know some will disagree, but that's just my experience. There were great moments, but they were certainly a more "sloppy" band from '85 on). So all that said and done, I'm loving that any song can be played any where in any set. It allows the song to find new energy, new contexts. And for musicians and audience members who have been playing and listening to these tunes for over 40 years, change is not a bad thing. I see, hear and feel real inspiration coming from this band. And I do think some of the transitions, though also rehearsed, are impeccable and quite often blow my mind. Again, this isn't GD. But what it is I like VERY much. I have to agree on the audience comments below. But I felt this way about many post-TOUCH OF GREY shows (here I go again!). The audiences changed dramatically. And for the most part, not to the benefit of the band, the venue, or the music. That was one change I never much welcomed. And it kept me away from traveling to certain shows I might otherwise have gone out of my way to see. But the experience became less alluring than it once had been. Though my love for the Dead and the music never died. It's still, to this day, a part of my daily life. Even DSO shows, though a bit more respectful crowd-wise, are still fraught with mid-song, full-volume conversations as if the band were a mere transistor radio spitting out background music. No matter how loud. I never understood this. At the last Furthur Greek L.A. show, a woman beside me was talking throughout the entire show to a couple of beer drinking dudes behind her. They exchanged business cards and joints. When I nicely asked her if she could try and talk a little lower, she very nicely replied, with full awareness of her indiscretion, that sometimes Furthur was better as background music. I smiled and just as good-naturedly suggested she buy the CD after the show and talk over it at home. She laughed and quieted down. We shared a joint. Then the band's musical excursion into UNBROKEN CHAIN arrived and it must have been just too much of a background music lure for her and the top-of-lungs chatter started up again and continued to show's end. C'est la vie. Such is music in a public venue in 2010.
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My favorite was always "I paid my money for a ticket, I can do what I want!" Um, yeah, if being an asshole is what you want... Another classic heard on, sadly, more than one occasion. "I have to talk louder than the music or my friend can't hear me."
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I've seen a number of Further shows in '10 and '11 from RCMH last winter right through MSG in the fall, and more recently shows at the Tower and RCMH. Musically, this band is incredible. They consistently play together with that telepathic ease that characterized some of the best Dead shows. And I love hearing the rarely or never played stuff, or songs that dropped out of the repertoire years ago. They are not the Dead and they know they are not the Dead; some of them (Joe Russo) were never even into the Dead! Still, as long as they are still enjoying playing this music, I will enjoy listening to it! My one and only wish is that they would occasionally pick up the tempo. Some songs just can't be played effectively at ballad speed. But it seems churlish to complain, since they are putting out so much good music. Nothing left to do but smile smile smile...
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Blair - been hearing a lot of Further on Sirius, they do sound excellent. I went to Further FEST in 96 and 97, pretty good. In 04 (I think it was) saw The Dead (The Gorge in George, WA), sucked left time boob. Haven't seen anything since, but my curiousity is definitely up after listening on the radio. Sure would be great if the drummers would play nice and join Bob and Phil too. Hey, if you want to stir up a crazy conversation on the blog, how about official releases, comps vs. full shows. Full shows will dominate for sure, but who needs another El Paso, not me? I like full shows, it's been a good mix of both lately in the releases. Speaking of which, why did the RTs Full Show downloads disappear so quickly? Thanks, Mark
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Strangely, during the GD's career, I missed several of the offshoot bands due to last minute cancellations or schedule changes. Furthur sounds good on the GD Hour excerpts I have heard, and the comments posted on various music lists to which I subscribe are mostly positive, but the band would have to some to my home city, Louisville, for me to check them out. Too "old and in the way" for road trips just to see post-GD bands.
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I remember we use to talk about setlists and what was coming what was played and you could figure out what a setlist might look like a givin' night. Now when you go see this band you talk about what you want to hear and there is just no way you can predict a setlist, isn't this the way it should be? Isn't this the reason we started going in the first place? Rock on boys!! This is the spirit of the Grateful Dead and if you are a fan there is no possible reason you would not enjoy a night out dancin' with this band. Thanks again boys and thank you Blair for wonderful thought provoking subjects every week. Nothing to tell now, let the words be yours I am done with mine...
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i thought it was interesting that i got a black peter at one of my two shows this spring since i'd just read some fairly negative comments around here about that song epsecially in response to a recent jam of the week or taper's section issuance, a head complained of the posting of an 80's generic second set selection that was something like space>black peter>around, johnny b goode the poster then defended his earlier negative post by stating he hated getting a BP out of space cause that signaled the end of the experimental portion of that show, i cant disagree it seems that many people dont think that tune has much power to diminish these days i know its not true but at the time it felt like they were putting out a great effort on that song at hampton in response to some of these comments (but actually i have to believe the band keeps their distance from these forums) i even though bob did a fine job with the vox on this garcia/hunter classic after the bridge first time around there was a nice organ solo and although i assume this was not the first double bridge rendition... it surprised the crap out of me when they repeated that section... and thats what i was there for having said all that... next time i go to furthur i probably wont be hoping for black peter and although true to form there were no crazy experimental improvs to follow the hampton black peter... i was shocked and awed by the aborted-good lovin>fool in the rain>good lovin that did follow, i was afraid they were gonna do a set closing rider out of the D-jam at the end of black peter but i was wrong and glad its pretty impressive that they got the zeppelin song sounding so good when they may never even play it again (same goes for whiskey in the jar from fairfax)
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Can't say anything else first...lots of unbearable suffering around these days with WAY too many folks animals and such, exiting. Wish you and yours psychedelic rainbow healing rays!...Furthur is alive. The hit of a live transmission... music, reading(s), shakti is more powerful. Hearing the core two (voices and harmonies) is an opportunity, still, a gift. Take the train! I agree that no one WILL fill the Jerry void and I appreciate the spirit of the Band and find the music uplifting. Laugh/Play/Love
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Liked The Other Ones. Liked the mix of MK *& SK. Could never connect with Warren or Jimmie, they seemed to turn whatever incarnation from a rock 'n roll band to a rock band, so P&F after Kimock got dumped never really did it for me. No focus to the jams, somehow. Liked what I had heard of Ratdog, and sadly, missed the 2002 tour over here as I had been dealing with my Mum who was some miles away and in a terrible state. I had some time to myself and took my tent and myself to Cornwall for space and to heal. So 2003 when Ratdog came over again was a groove. Damned if I can remember how it happened, but I ended up getting some weed for MK, and we have remained buddies ever since. The band played small clubs. Tiny clubs, the final show in Manchester were were right up by a very low stage. And the band hammered us all. Bobby's version of the Dead? More blues, R&B and good old Rock 'n Roll for this 50s kid, brought up on American Rock 'n Roll. The band mixed freely and damn, did we have a real good time. My new love and I got over to New York to see the Beacon shows in 2006 & 7, and I had also got to see them in Anaheim in 2004 (Althea breakout to close the first set, oh my my, oh my heaven, that song tears me up every time). Loved the Beacon, loved mixing with the New York deadheads, and we got to meet some of the folk who had got over here in 2003, and got to meet the band again, to say our hails and thank yous. I like Furthur. John does a damn fine Jerry of his own. But I am going to miss Ratdog and realised then when I played one of their shows after a long break. Phil I got to see in the Warfield in '97. He was then doing pick-up bands, and that one night I got to was with Jorma, who I had seen over here way back in '68 with the Doors. So that was a groove, and I got my first St. Stephen (Bickershaw - "We done forgotten the licks" - Bobby) and some fine rocking and rolling. And the Warfield was a treat for sure, to get a Dead variant in their home town for the one and only time. It's wonderful that so many variations on a theme have come since Jerry went - but I will miss Ratdog, for that intimate, shoot 'em Rock 'n Roll band. For me the nearest thing to whatever the Dead did for us I have had since Jerry went is Deep Elem into Ashes & Glass, Beacon Theatre, 2003-10-25, which made me go - "You've cracked it" and a truly wonderful Tennessee Jed we witnessed at the Beacon 2007-03-09, which just kinda went .... mental :-) Ratdog funk it. Furthur don't. I guess that's what tips it for me. Happy daze.....
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If Furthur came over I'd be there like a shot. Had a great deal with my ex, bless her, who was not really a Deadhead (she caught one of the Lyceum shows with me), but we had a good deal. Dead come. I go. Can't say fairer than that :-)
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In my opinion, Furthur is the first post-GD line up that may truly compliment Branford Marsalis' vast range. This past tour has illuminated to my mind that Furthur is great. But please, on those jazz tunes, practice your arpeggios around the forms, please! And learn the jazz pulse, which is different from the rock and roll pulse. When you wish upon a star is such a beautiful tune. Why give it such a haphazard reading? I can hear what they are trying to do, and they are not far off. I know they can do it. Just need to get a bit deeper into the mechanics of the music to take it to that next step. But back to my point, Phil has never sounded better, Bob is in his element, the vocals are spectacular, and the youthful team are downright brilliant. There's no doubt, Furthur has heart. Btw, great to hear the Playin' and China Cat jams taking authentic form once again. I believe that this group will soon be sounded as raw and authentic as the original article. Keep looking forward! Keep going Futhur!
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In my opinion, Furthur is the first post-GD line up that may truly compliment Branford Marsalis' vast range. This past tour has illuminated to my mind that Furthur is great. But please, on those jazz tunes, practice your arpeggios around the forms, please! And learn the jazz pulse, which is different from the rock and roll pulse. When you wish upon a star is such a beautiful tune. Why give it such a haphazard reading? I can hear what they are trying to do, and they are not far off. I know they can do it. Just need to get a bit deeper into the mechanics of the music to take it to that next step. But back to my point, Phil has never sounded better, Bob is in his element, the vocals are spectacular, and the youthful team are downright brilliant. There's no doubt, Furthur has heart. Btw, great to hear the Playin' and China Cat jams taking authentic form once again. I believe that this group will soon be sounded as raw and authentic as the original article. Keep looking forward! Keep going Futhur!
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In my opinion, Furthur is the first post-GD line up that may truly compliment Branford Marsalis' vast range. This past tour has illuminated to my mind that Furthur is great. But please, on those jazz tunes, practice your arpeggios around the forms, please! And learn the jazz pulse, which is different from the rock and roll pulse. When you wish upon a star is such a beautiful tune. Why give it such a haphazard reading? I can hear what they are trying to do, and they are not far off. I know they can do it. Just need to get a bit deeper into the mechanics of the music to take it to that next step. But back to my point, Phil has never sounded better, Bob is in his element, the vocals are spectacular, and the youthful team are downright brilliant. There's no doubt, Furthur has heart. Btw, great to hear the Playin' and China Cat jams taking authentic form once again. I believe that this group will soon be sounded as raw and authentic as the original article. Keep looking forward! Keep going Futhur!
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They are the first post-GD line up where I've been compelled to listen to more than one complete show on a tour. They are really finding their element, and finding it fast!
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it seems to me that this is the coolest deadband since jerry passed,the only way it could get better would be if bill and mickey were involved. also , all the years of sorta ignoring jerrys spot or filling it by sax or keyboard or a very different type of guitar player,sorta made you notice the void even more,i mean alot of this music was constructed with the need for that sorta bubbling,type of guitar sound,it was like between jerry and bob they had created almost the sound of one guitar player with 10 fingers,and when you put a guy like warren in there it just dont work, I just think john mixes with bobby better because he plays at least sorta jerrys style . the vocal aping is another thing , he seems like a decent guy and ,what the heck its the voice he has what can he do?..........all in all ive been enjoying furthur it feels better and the scene at the shows is feeling better,long live furthur!
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I wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the mixed couples thread. I am dating a new woman since my divorce who was never into the Dead. Well, she surprised me with Furthur tickets to the first night at the Orpheum in Boston. She really seemed to enjoy it, but it could have been an illusion. So, I thought I might as well try, and asked her if she wanted to go see Furthur again at Bethel this summer. To my surprise and utter delight, she said yes! I am now in the process of burning some Dead to "educate" her. Starting with American Beauty, Workingman's, Europe 72, and since she attended Cornell, I burned highlights from the 5/77 show (not an easy task to pick highlights!). So, it is clear to me that Furthur is MY favorite post-Jerry ensemble because it has made my new lady interested in my passion! "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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Sharing music with someone you love just makes it all the better! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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This is going to take some time, but at least she is open to sharing my passion. Of course, I in turn had to agree to see Peter Frampton over July 4th weekend. Its all about compromise. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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I think I read somewhere that Frampton has been doing or is going to do the entire Frampton Comes Alive album... Saw him headline a Day on the Green megashow at Oakland Stadium on July 4, 1977. Lynyrd Skynyrd blew him off the stage with their set right before his. No contest; it was sad... I like Frampton more now than I did then--he seemed cheesy and over-exposed at the point... I think he was shilling for that awful I'm in You album... Dolly Parton was also on the bill and was surprisingly good in a stadium setting... I only went because I had free tickets ands was curious about Frampton...
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A big reason we are going to see Frampton is that he is playing in Gilford New Hampshire, where our friends just built a magnificent home by the mountains. The venue is outside, right by the lake with a "w" that I can't spell. We will spend the whole July 4th weekend up there, so even if Frampton sucks, the weekend will be great.The website notes that he will be playing the entire Frampton Comes Alive album. I don't know whether that is good or bad. I am sure I will be thinking about seeing Furthur two weeks later in the Catskills. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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at the time, I really loved Frampton Comes Alive. In fact I've probably still got it around here somewhere... But I wouldn't have had the energy for Day on the Green even then!
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Hey Blair, I have enjoyed your work over the years especially the Golden Road. I loved reading the mag and the careful, insightful and overall joyus nature of the reviews and stories. You , obviously, care about the music and it shows in your work. Thanks for that. I must differ with you regarding Furthur. I could go into great depth but there's really no need. Furthur does satisfy on one level: seeing people from back in the day. I have seen f Furthur twice and while the music I found to be genuinely lacking the crowd was fantastic. I say fantastic meaning this: there were many more old faces that I recognized-many more than I thought would be there. Dancing with a pocket of old heads who know what they are doing brought tears to my eyes. Cause let's face it-the music will never be the same or as good...and we'd be foolish to expect it. However this is the exact reason why I think PLQ was the best post Jerry band. Phil , and band, worked diligently to RE-DEFINE the GD songbok. Tha's wahat made the music so killer. You knew the song but had no idea where it would go. And the level of musicianship exhibited on stage was of such enormous proportions they could carry it off. In my opinion the tandem of warren and jimmy..combines with Phil's resolute weirdness and Molo-the octopus- made for some super sick shows. I think PLQ was more for the people who wanted it to be different yet still of a very high musical quality. Furthur, it seems to me, is more for the average GD fan...the ones who want it to more resemble the GD. Not sure if that makes sense but that's all I got. Thanks again for the great work through the years. When are you gonna make a Golden Road box set of magazines? There's definitely a market for that. I see them on ebay occasionally. Later man.