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    Join Yoda as he travels from Mill Valley to Novato, California, listening to a selection from Dave's Picks Volume 3. (And stay tuned for an announcement coming soon!)

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    dgans
    11 years 10 months ago
    Healy's tapes
    It was not Dan Healy's decision to stop sending Betty on tour with the band to make a separate recording mix. Just trying to be fair here.
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    Zuckfun
    11 years 10 months ago
    Let the games begin...
    With a 77-74-71 arc, I don't think Volume Four will be an early release. It's tempting to toss the Zenith show from 10/27/90 into the mix, or perhaps the Berkeley show from 11/2/84. Maybe 9/18/87 from MSG. I think any of these three are more likely than an early release for Volume Four. The exception though is if there's a recent Box Set announced. Like Spring of 90 for example, or an early 80's Box. Then all bets are off, and it would seem more likely Volume Four is a release from 68-69.
  • SPACEBROTHER
    11 years 10 months ago
    Tape Snobs redux...
    True, I do include the individual E72 releases. If we take those out of the equation and just count it as one, because yes, I did get the big box, then that breaks down to of 25 releases, 20 of them are from the same time frame. I listen to the 5 non '71-'79 releases disproportionately more ofetn than all of the the other 20 releases. I just wish I had as many choices commercially available to enjoy as outside of that bubble. On another point brought up, there are plenty of great sounding recordings post '79. Certainly by the time they upgraded to the digital beta format in the early '80s, or even the famously leaked video feed recordings all sounded immaculate to my ears. Certainly better fidelity than the Dillon Stadium Hartford '74 release. It just feels to me that as a fan of post '79, myself, or anybody in my particular demograph are being mostly ignored in favor of those who couldn't get over Brent being brought into the band. Back when the E72 box was announced, blairj had entertained the idea that Spring '90 would make a great box, and I fully agree, but if they were to do that, there would be a ridiculous amount of flak from those who wanted a Fall '77 box, or a Fall '72 box or whatever. I am beginning to think that the prospect for a Spring '90 box release is slim to nil. Thanks to Archive.org, the tape snobs have no control over whats traded, or what I want to stream. Now it feels like their negative energies are directed towards influencing TPTB to only release one small 7 year slice from a 30 year pie. At this point, I would have preferred a '95 release over yet another one from '71-'79, even with me joining the consensus that it very well is the worst year for the Dead, just to have something different. Imagine the complaints if and when TPTB do decide to ignore the tape snobs and actually release something outside of the bubble and release something from a year like '86 or '95. In regards to the time frame of studio album output vs concert recordings, true, they did only release two albums of new music over the last 14 years. But they also released 3 great studio albums before the '70-'79 bubble. If it's a matter of fishing for rarities and uncirulated items, it seems that '65-'69 is a potential treasure trove, which is almost equally and disproportionately under represented as '80-'88, and those Owsley boards are every bit as good if not better than the Betty boards, or whomever else handled recording duties during the '70s. I was really hoping that the DaP series would be more representive of the Dead's history on a whole, but it appears not to be the case, at least so far. If the 4th and final installment of this years subscription falls after '69 and before '80, I very well may opt out in 2013, unless there's mention that those 4 sets, including any bonus disc, will be concentrated on any decade, except the '70s, then I won't hesitate to renew. I don't doubt that the real top shelf cream of the crop shows surface has barely been scratched. Most of these '71-'79 releases just feel like a whole lot of filler to me. bambini asks - "The last 16 years there were two albums written and produced with nearly half the songs being Brent's songs. Can any fan honestly compare the latter songs with the pre 1980 songs from the band(?)." I'll say yes, the post '80 studio albums are fantastic, especially Brents contributions and in my less than humble opinion, Go To Heaven, In The Dark and Built To Last are equally as great as everything else they recorded. I actually prefer In The Dark to Shakedown Street. Brents writing had way more depth and emotion than Donna's contributions. Heck, almost everything Brent contributed was oozing with real raw emotion. He seemed like an emotional guy. I like all era's. My wishes are for more variety. The shows from '71 and '73 that bambini mentions are all great, but we already have plenty of releases from those years/eras. There are other years with equally as great, and with maybe even better shows, that are completely unrepresented/ignored. Thats why I'm considering opting out for a while. The lack of variety is becoming unappealing to me.
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Shouldn't be surprised with a '71 release... First six releases from the previous series: Dick's Picks: 73 71 77 70 79 83 Downloads: 77 70 71 76 88 68 Road Trips: 79 77 71 78 90 68 Dave's Picks: 77 74 71 ?? .. .. Curiously, this year there was no Spring vault release. There wasn't one last year, either, but considering they put out the E72 that is understandable.
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Hey cmd, I am going to check out some of the shows you listed.thanks for the tip. I know there were some good shows in that relatively weak period. I was really trying to point out that the 70's were so hot that it is not surprising that releases are so heavy to the time period. I have listened to the entire Europe 72 box set and I struggle to pick a best or worst show. They were all so great. Back to back killer shows. I am so thrilled with that set. If they were to release a set of 20 or so consecutive shows from the 80's.....I would not be able to bring myself to pay $450 for it. I would purchase great shows from the 80's and even maybe two or three consecutive shows if the reviews were good. But I would not have confidence in anything too large. If they want me to put down another 450 and have the music be from the 80's the only thing I could imagine is a set with two of the best shows from each year. That might open my wallet. Once you hit 89>91 my wallet would open for a large Europe run. Thanks for the show recommendations I will have to check some or all of them out
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Hey cmd, I am going to check out some of the shows you listed.thanks for the tip. I know there were some good shows in that relatively weak period. I was really trying to point out that the 70's were so hot that it is not surprising that releases are so heavy to the time period. I have listened to the entire Europe 72 box set and I struggle to pick a best or worst show. They were all so great. Back to back killer shows. I am so thrilled with that set. If they were to release a set of 20 or so consecutive shows from the 80's.....I would not be able to bring myself to pay $450 for it. I would purchase great shows from the 80's and even maybe two or three consecutive shows if the reviews were good. But I would not have confidence in anything too large. If they want me to put down another 450 and have the music be from the 80's the only thing I could imagine is a set with two of the best shows from each year. That might open my wallet. Once you hit 89>91 my wallet would open for a large Europe run. Thanks for the show recommendations I will have to check some or all of them out
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But certainly something like Dick's Picks 21 — it couldn't have been an accident that Spoonful, Gimme Some Lovin', She Belongs to Me, and Gloria, had not been officially released before. That was a happy accident. That was a great show. And again, 1985 is a year where there are a lot of tape problems. The master tapes we have on cassette. And then we've got the PCMs, the Beta tapes, starting with the New Year's run of '82 up until about New Year's '87. We've got these digital tapes that are Betamax videotapes with no video on them, just an audio-only track. The earliest digital audio we have is from 1985. Early digital had real bass issues. It's really bass shy. We looked at quite a bit of it from that era. For instance the bonus material on Dick's Picks 21 from Rochester 9-2-80 with the tremendous Iko Iko — we thought about putting on the Space>Werewolves of London>The Music Never Stopped medley that opened the night before, and a lot of people said, "Why didn't they do that? They had 40 minutes." The reason is that the tape really lacked bass. It literally had no bass in the mix. It's those sorts of issues that rendered that specific tape unusable. So with '85 there were a few shows that I won't say we rated higher than Richmond 11-1-85, but that we equally valued, and they just didn't hold up as far as the sound quality goes. And the performance at that Richmond show is pretty amazing energy, and I think the energy that the band brought that night is what caused such an incredible set list. I don't think it was the set list that caused the energy. I think it was the band playing so incredibly tightly on that whole tour — that whole year really — that something magic happened that night and they probably walked on stage and said, "Let's mess it up a bit tonight." Hence, we got two Jerry ballads before Drums, and then the post-Space is stellar. So to get back to your question, no we didn't say, "This is a cool set list." We don't go through DeadBase looking for unusual set lists. I know the set lists as well as anyone does. I know which shows are the sought after ones. We've done polls. I'm a tape trader myself so I know what's going on, and there are quite a few people involved in the process who [provide] input. Dick's Picks 21, specifically, was both a really good show and highly sought after. It happened to be a really good sounding tape, and it was very popular. With so much circulating now there's not really much left in the way of surprises. You know the criteria used to be: performance, then sound quality, then sound mix, and then the song selection. The fact is at number 22 in the Dick's Picks series we're not going to really find much in the way of songs that haven't been put out. Read more: Interview from the Vault - A Conversation with David Lemieux (Part One) http://www.musicbox-online.com/dl-vault1.html#ixzz1yj7okLIA
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That pretty much takes care of this whole debate about why other eras have not been released. Sad, really, that the band had so many issues with recording their own performances. They had such a gold standard set by Betty Cantor. They should have paid somebody to be on tour to do what she did (I know, Healy was that person and he screwed up) if they didn't want her around anymore. Don't know what the story was there and don't want to, just sayin'.
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That's a great interview, thanks for the link darkstartheotherone. One of the more revealing comments to me is that a multi-track show takes about 8 weeks to mix properly. This is a bit of a glimpse into how much effort went into the Europe 72 Box. And the result- A lifetime of treasure.
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I've been trying to figure out why they went so cheap on the production end of the E72 box. From that comment it looks like they blew the budget on mixing the shows. If Norman was the man he must have reaped on that project! I can live with the cheaply constructed (no felt?) box that has bowed in already but the cheap cardboard and cheap quality CDs are unforgivable. The holy grail is the holy grail though.
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from Dave's interview: "the Dead's history and the legacy of what they left behind is too important to just focus on 4 years or 10 years or whatever without revealing the fact that this band was unbelievably dynamic and diverse." This is not a complaint about the forthcoming release or releases from the 70s or anything in general. Just interesting to note that Dave is trying to represent the entire history/legacy of the band, while at times there is a clear privileging of a certain span of years (i.e. '69 through '78, and particularly '72 through '78). Obviously recording quality plays a major part in that, as does the consistency of performances. If only there were pristine, Bear-quality recordings of every show ever, all remastered in HDCD, we could all get busy listening to every single one and debating their respective merits.
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It never bothered me that the Dead releases were always 72-78, my favorite period, but I know lots of folk who never heard the 70s Dead and would like a 80s show, right? Did they not record the eighties? I mean, you think that recording devices would improve as time traveled. When did Betty Cantor Stop? I have seen good videos from the eighties, so i know they still sounded good, in ways better in ways worse.
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All three of the current Dave's Picks circulate in pristine form in the trading community. While I tend to steer clear of post 82 shows myself the folks at rhino are seriously neglecting a large % of the fanbase by their selections. Honestly, the level of excellence in the online community now precludes any need for "official" releases imho.