• January 19, 2011
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    Holy S#%*! It’s the COMPLETE Europe ’72 Box! On Over 60 Discs!

    $450.00
    Europe '72:
    The Complete Recordings


    Hey now! Due to overwhelming demand, surprising even those of us with huge faith in the Europe '72 project, the entire limited edition run of 7,200 boxed sets has sold out in less than 4 days. We thank you beyond words for your support and belief in this unprecedented and wonderful release.

    After lengthy discussions, we've decided we don't want to deprive anyone of this music, some of the finest the Grateful Dead ever performed. Of course, we're keeping to our promise that the boxed set and all of its accouterments will not be made available beyond these 7,200 boxed sets (and wait until you see the case in which the music is housed, the hard-bound coffee-table book, plus all of the other cool surprises we've been unearthing!). But, we're going to offer just the music, all 22 shows, more than 60 CDs, more than 70 hours of music, each show housed in its own packaging, for the same price as the boxed set, $450 including domestic shipping. Although perhaps not as cool as the boxed set, the bottom line is that the most important aspect of Europe '72: The Complete Recordings is going to be made available to all, the music.


    - David Lemieux


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    Because you dared dream this might happen one day… Because you went down to the Gypsy Woman and offered up your first-born to try to make it happen… Because there are enough passionate Dead Heads at Rhino/GD who thought it might be cool for this to happen… It’s happening! Coming in September is a gargantuan, beautifully designed EUROPE ’72 MEGA-BOX SET containing ALL 22 SHOWS of what is arguably the greatest tour the Grateful Dead ever played, on a whopping 60+ DISCS (over 70 hours of music!). Bet you didn’t see that comin’!

    Really, at this point we probably don’t need to lay on too much hype about how wonderful the music is: Chances are, if you’re even considering buying a copy of this stunning box, you already know how amazing the Dead’s tour of Europe in April and May of 1972 was. To review briefly, though, the Dead’s first tour outside of North America took them to all sorts of historic and unusual venues in England, Denmark, West Germany, France, Holland and even tiny Luxembourg. Many members of the Dead “family” came along on what was really an extended working vacation that was designed to both expose the Dead to new audiences and also reward the band for their unlikely conquest of America during the preceding two years. As a hedge against the costs of the nearly two-month trip, the Dead’s label, Warner Bros., paid for the band to lug around a 16-track recorder to capture the entire tour… and we’re glad they did!

    This was a band at the top of its game, still ascending in the wake of three straight hit albums — Workingman’s Dead, American Beauty and the live Grateful Dead (“Skull & Roses”). It had been a year since the lineup had gone to its single-drummer configuration, six months since Keith Godchaux had been broken in as the group’s exceptional pianist, and this marked the first tour to feature Donna Godchaux as a member of the touring band. There was a ton on new, unreleased material that came into the repertoire in the fall of ’71 (after “Skull & Roses” was out) and during the spring of ’72, including “Tennessee Jed,” “Jack Straw,” “Mexicali Blues,” “He’s Gone,” “Comes A Time,” “Ramble on Rose,” “One More Saturday Night,” “Black-Throated Wind,” “Looks Like Rain” and Pigpen’s “Chinatown Shuffle,” “The Stranger (Two Souls in Communion)” and “Mr. Charlie.” (Sadly, this was Pigpen’s final tour.) All those future classics were interspersed with songs from the aforementioned “hit” albums—such as “Uncle John’s Band,” “Brokedown Palace,” “Cumberland Blues,” “Casey Jones,” “Sugar Magnolia,” “Bertha,” “Not Fade Away,” et al — and then were topped off by loads of big jamming numbers — the Europe ’72 tour produced spectacular versions of “Dark Star,” “The Other One” “Playing in the Band,” “Truckin’,” “China Cat Sunflower” > “I Know You Rider,” “Good Lovin’,” “Lovelight” and even the early Pig chestnut “Caution.” And that’s leaving out a truckload of other tunes, too! There wasn’t a clunker show in the bunch, and many are acknowledged today as classics. No doubt you already have some favorites.

    Through the years, there have been a few releases of material from the Europe tour—starting with the 3-album Europe ’72 which knocked our socks off in the fall of that year, and followed many years later by material from a pair of German shows and the fantastic 4-CD Stepping Out, culled from the group’s eight shows in England. Incredibly, though, only one full show from the tour has come out previously: the excellent 4/24 concert in Dusseldorf, Germany, released as Rockin’ the Rhein in 2004.

    Until now, that is. Jeffrey Norman, who has been the primary mixer of Dead archival multi-track material for the past 15 years (Fillmore West ’69, Ladies and Gentlemen…, Rockin’ the Rhein, Nightfall of Diamonds, etc.) has spent many months toiling over the 16-track masters from the tour, and will continue working on the mixes through the Winter and Spring, employing the high-tech Plangent Processes transfer and restoration tools, trying to get every show to sound “just exactly perfect” (as Bob Weir says) for this release. You might think you’ve heard that intense “Dark Star” > “Sugar Mag” > “Caution” from Copenhagen, but I guarantee you’ve never heard it sound this alive! Mastering to HDCD specs is two-time Grammy-winning engineer David Glasser of Airshow Mastering. Needless to say, all the songs that turned up on previous Europe compilations will be appear in their proper show contexts, and in the case of songs from the Europe ’72 album, without overdubs that were added later (where possible).

    The packaging is, as you might expect, first rate. Each show is its own Digipak, with its own liner notes by top Dead scholars (including David Gans, Steve Silberman, and Nicholas Meriwether) and attendees of some of the concerts, and many never-before-seen photos. Additionally, there is an enormous book worthy of coffee table treatment featuring hundreds more photos and a comprehensive essay by yours truly (Blair Jackson). The box will also contain other memorabilia and ephemera from the tour.

    A rough sketch of the potential packaging.
    Check back soon for more product images.

    At $450, this clearly will not be a box for everyone. In fact, this individually numbered boxed set will be limited to orders placed with a maximum of 7,200 boxes produced. As a special bonus, the first 3,000 orders will receive a personalized copy. Due to the huge manufacturing costs (wait 'til you see it! We're doing something unlike any other boxed set release ever! It's exceptional!!), we need to hit 3,000 sales before we even go into production. If we don't reach 3,000 by April 1st, the boxed set won't be able to happen. This isn't a gun-to-your-head sales pitch. Rather, we want to be open with you about the realities of this release's massive scope and ambition.

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    So dig deep, raid the penny jar, take a weekend job at Jack-in-the-Box, beg your kindly ol’ grandma for some of your inheritance early… Yes, it’s an extravagance, but jeez, you (or your loved one) deserve it! This is way cool.

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  • I Woke Today
    4 years 7 months ago
    Is the "All the Music Edition" still available

    besides looking at the resale sites, are the All the music edition of Europe '72 still available on the Dead website for purchase?

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    Gergg
    4 years 10 months ago
    What to hear after this

    I've been neck deep in this box for a month and its awesome. I'm pretty close to hearing the whole tour but have lost track to be honest. If I wanted to dig this deep into another batch of Dead that would represent the band's next step in their development after the 72 tour what would it be?

  • marye
    5 years 3 months ago
    alas no
    these were all snapped up years ago, though you may find someone willing to part with theirs.
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$450.00
Europe '72:
The Complete Recordings


Hey now! Due to overwhelming demand, surprising even those of us with huge faith in the Europe '72 project, the entire limited edition run of 7,200 boxed sets has sold out in less than 4 days. We thank you beyond words for your support and belief in this unprecedented and wonderful release.

After lengthy discussions, we've decided we don't want to deprive anyone of this music, some of the finest the Grateful Dead ever performed. Of course, we're keeping to our promise that the boxed set and all of its accouterments will not be made available beyond these 7,200 boxed sets (and wait until you see the case in which the music is housed, the hard-bound coffee-table book, plus all of the other cool surprises we've been unearthing!). But, we're going to offer just the music, all 22 shows, more than 60 CDs, more than 70 hours of music, each show housed in its own packaging, for the same price as the boxed set, $450 including domestic shipping. Although perhaps not as cool as the boxed set, the bottom line is that the most important aspect of Europe '72: The Complete Recordings is going to be made available to all, the music.


- David Lemieux


Because you dared dream this might happen one day… Because you went down to the Gypsy Woman and offered up your first-born to try to make it happen… Because there are enough passionate Dead Heads at Rhino/GD who thought it might be cool for this to happen… It’s happening! Coming in September is a gargantuan, beautifully designed EUROPE ’72 MEGA-BOX SET containing ALL 22 SHOWS of what is arguably the greatest tour the Grateful Dead ever played, on a whopping 60+ DISCS (over 70 hours of music!). Bet you didn’t see that comin’!

Really, at this point we probably don’t need to lay on too much hype about how wonderful the music is: Chances are, if you’re even considering buying a copy of this stunning box, you already know how amazing the Dead’s tour of Europe in April and May of 1972 was. To review briefly, though, the Dead’s first tour outside of North America took them to all sorts of historic and unusual venues in England, Denmark, West Germany, France, Holland and even tiny Luxembourg. Many members of the Dead “family” came along on what was really an extended working vacation that was designed to both expose the Dead to new audiences and also reward the band for their unlikely conquest of America during the preceding two years. As a hedge against the costs of the nearly two-month trip, the Dead’s label, Warner Bros., paid for the band to lug around a 16-track recorder to capture the entire tour… and we’re glad they did!

This was a band at the top of its game, still ascending in the wake of three straight hit albums — Workingman’s Dead, American Beauty and the live Grateful Dead (“Skull & Roses”). It had been a year since the lineup had gone to its single-drummer configuration, six months since Keith Godchaux had been broken in as the group’s exceptional pianist, and this marked the first tour to feature Donna Godchaux as a member of the touring band. There was a ton on new, unreleased material that came into the repertoire in the fall of ’71 (after “Skull & Roses” was out) and during the spring of ’72, including “Tennessee Jed,” “Jack Straw,” “Mexicali Blues,” “He’s Gone,” “Comes A Time,” “Ramble on Rose,” “One More Saturday Night,” “Black-Throated Wind,” “Looks Like Rain” and Pigpen’s “Chinatown Shuffle,” “The Stranger (Two Souls in Communion)” and “Mr. Charlie.” (Sadly, this was Pigpen’s final tour.) All those future classics were interspersed with songs from the aforementioned “hit” albums—such as “Uncle John’s Band,” “Brokedown Palace,” “Cumberland Blues,” “Casey Jones,” “Sugar Magnolia,” “Bertha,” “Not Fade Away,” et al — and then were topped off by loads of big jamming numbers — the Europe ’72 tour produced spectacular versions of “Dark Star,” “The Other One” “Playing in the Band,” “Truckin’,” “China Cat Sunflower” > “I Know You Rider,” “Good Lovin’,” “Lovelight” and even the early Pig chestnut “Caution.” And that’s leaving out a truckload of other tunes, too! There wasn’t a clunker show in the bunch, and many are acknowledged today as classics. No doubt you already have some favorites.

Through the years, there have been a few releases of material from the Europe tour—starting with the 3-album Europe ’72 which knocked our socks off in the fall of that year, and followed many years later by material from a pair of German shows and the fantastic 4-CD Stepping Out, culled from the group’s eight shows in England. Incredibly, though, only one full show from the tour has come out previously: the excellent 4/24 concert in Dusseldorf, Germany, released as Rockin’ the Rhein in 2004.

Until now, that is. Jeffrey Norman, who has been the primary mixer of Dead archival multi-track material for the past 15 years (Fillmore West ’69, Ladies and Gentlemen…, Rockin’ the Rhein, Nightfall of Diamonds, etc.) has spent many months toiling over the 16-track masters from the tour, and will continue working on the mixes through the Winter and Spring, employing the high-tech Plangent Processes transfer and restoration tools, trying to get every show to sound “just exactly perfect” (as Bob Weir says) for this release. You might think you’ve heard that intense “Dark Star” > “Sugar Mag” > “Caution” from Copenhagen, but I guarantee you’ve never heard it sound this alive! Mastering to HDCD specs is two-time Grammy-winning engineer David Glasser of Airshow Mastering. Needless to say, all the songs that turned up on previous Europe compilations will be appear in their proper show contexts, and in the case of songs from the Europe ’72 album, without overdubs that were added later (where possible).

So dig deep, raid the penny jar, take a weekend job at Jack-in-the-Box, beg your kindly ol’ grandma for some of your inheritance early… Yes, it’s an extravagance, but jeez, you (or your loved one) deserve it! This is way cool.

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Crack me up!! That, as it says, confirms that they have "received" your order. My "confirmation" says the following: "Thank you for ordering from Dead.net. Your order is currently being processed, and you will receive an email confirmation as soon as your order leaves our warehouse." As I understand it -- orders are "processed" until they ship, and they are confirmed when they ship. And, according to the website, there is no deal until "confirmation", which makes perfect sense from the vendors standpoint: they can back out, with impunity, any time they like, except after they've shipped, at which point they've met their "obligation" anyway.
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...allowing for a cancellation of a transaction. The deal ain't done until it's done, and the vendor always reserves the right to cancel at any time for almost any reason (or no reason at all) with the only liability being a refund if money has already changed hands - which in this case it obviously has not. Example: say come September, all the numbered box sets are committed and mailed out. Yours gets lost in the mail. Is Rhino/whoever obligated to make sure you get a box set with that number on it? No, most likely you'd get an apology and a refund.
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Hal M: "Perhaps Rhino jumped the gun and didn't prepare well for this scenario. I bet they've learned a lot this past week. And they will take those lessons and apply them to future releases of this kind." First, let us not forget the Fillmore '69 boxset. Apparently there is a need to fall off the bike in dramatic fashion more than once. Also, I am curious to see how many more releases of "this kind" Rhino will attempt to pull off. The next 9 months are going to very interesting. I wouldn't be surprised to see this box show up around December ("b-b-b-but that would create legal issues!" -- LOL). I'd like to see a limited release compiling every version of Viola Lee Blues performed from 1966 to 1971. On red, white and blue vinyl. And the first 1000 orders come with a personalized bong.
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she is the only one that needs to read any of these posts apparently she has been down this road before
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There is a polite and respectful way to disagree, and then there is Frank's way. Guys, I have been talking about why I think there are legal issues with changing this from a limited edition to an unlimited edition or increasing the number of copies available. Some others have gone off on some tangents that I have not been concerning myself with. Yes, there is some "fine print" or even better, "weasel words" (that's great helena!), but it doesn't mean those words will be enforceable. I've talked to a couple others and one wondered whether this was a case of contracting to make a contract (can the customer legally withdraw from the purchase before the box set is shipped), rather than actually making a contract, and the other pretty much agreed with me. Wherever you come out at the end, to say there are no legal issues is just wrong. I have never said a customer would win in litigation. But I think they would have a case. From Rhino's perspective, it is best to avoid legal issues rather than to litigate them. Again, as Frank would tell you, this is NOT INTENDED AS LEGAL ADVICE. And if there are no legal issues, why then doesn't Rhino increase the number of box sets available? Instead, they created non-box set music only editions. Was this to avoid bad public relations? REALLY?!?!? Can it really get any worse from that perspective? Does the manufacturing vendor not want to make more money? The vendor wants as big of a one time order as it can get. (there is a whole other issue as to why it was determined to make this limited in the first place-creating maximum initial demand, vendor costs, etc). And if there were more boxes, Rhino would make more money overall, of course, AND per box, because the vendor would charge less per box (15,000 "boxes" cost less per box to manufacture than do 7,200). Finally, again, I wish more people could have got the box they wanted. I don't like limiting it only to people who heard about it right away. I don't like only the special people getting it. I think everyone who wanted it, was willing to pay for it, and responded within a reasonable period (I think a month would have been ideal) should have been able to get this. I think it could have been limited to a time rather than a specific number.
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"Finally, again, I wish more people could have got the box they wanted. I don't like limiting it only to people who heard about it right away." I wish I could have seen Pink Floyd at Madison Square Garden in 1977, but I didn't. I would have liked to see any number of concerts for which I didn't hear about ticket sales quickly enough, and which sold out in hours. Tough luck.
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dstache "And if there are no legal issues, why then doesn't Rhino increase the number of box sets available?" Perhaps there are legal issues, dstache. But really, as between Rhino and its customers, there are none that are viable. None. I don't know what it means to "have a case" in this context, unless you are making a very technical point about a well-pleaded claim or standing. There is a *political* issue of course that likely concerns Rhino. That is if they don't want to earn a reputation of offering limited items and then immediately doing a bait and switch. I don't think I have to explain why that would be a bad business move. But it has nothing to do with laws.
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"I would have liked to see any number of concerts for which I didn't hear about ticket sales quickly enough, and which sold out in hours. Tough luck." And my brother always wanted to see the Dead but he died of cancer before he had the chance. Oh well, that's life! Deal with it. /condescending pseudo-Zen preaching off
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Shrewnews, thankie kindly, I'll now proceed with caution.This takes the torment out of deciding what all, all time favorite line to insert. I was leaning towards, "the bus came by and....." Seemed appropriate for the piece
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WOW, what a nice deadhead attitude, TOUGH LUCK. There is a difference btwn a concert and a box set. A concert venue only holds a limited number of people. A band can only stay in a locale for so long. The same concerns don't occur here. I thought deadheads were about sharing. I should head back to the vineyard where people still think like that. Sorry for all your poor "listeners" out there. I get sucked into these arguments so easily. I take the bait from people whose only purpose is to antagonize.
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This is the best example of how Rhino & dead,net have no f*****g idea about the Deadhead community. Beginning with whatever release included a "Bonus" disc, they created a secondary market of overpriced discs. I can't imagine how many people order multiple copies of a release, with the sole intent of re-selling at an obscene profit. Just look at eBay & Amazon. The Bonus discs fro Road Trips are fetching up to $50+. If Rhino & Dead.net would get a clue, they'd release plenty of everything, that way they'd sell a LOT more. People like me would but older RT's etc, with all of the music, not 2/3 of it. It's bad with DP's as well. Why are there some DP's that are out of print? Doesn't anyone there (Rhino, Dead.net) think know that the band wanted all Deadheads to have access to it's music? I'm not talking for free, but at a reasonable price. Who wants to pay for a release without all of the extra goodies? All they've done now is ensure that their overall sales will be lower, an overpriced secondary market will thrive, that many Deadheads won't have access to legitimate sources of Grateful Dead music, and that pirated copies of limited releases will end up in a lot of peoples hands. As far as Europe '72 goes, go look on eBay. The sets are going for over $1000, before they're even printed. Is this what The Grateful Dead would have wanted? Rhino & Dead.net, wake up. Peter
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not to exceed 7200 boxed sets I believe 3000 units was the feasibility number any less and they would be taking a bath 7200 is a magic little # - because it is the '72 Box I seriously don't think it is a windfall to sell these at the price they are asking logically make 'the music' available due to popular demand.... a lot was made to the fact that this was a 'built to order' event I fully expect that individual shows (CDs or downloads) will be made available at some point.
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They advertised (for the hour or so it took to sell out LOL) that 7200 item limit. Note they did NOT ever say anything about a limit on the music itself (hence the rapidly implemented "music only" option). "Of course, we're keeping to our promise that the boxed set and all of its accouterments will not be made available beyond these 7,200 boxed sets", well yeah they may not have any choice to change in mid-stream (although I honestly expected them to call a complete halt/reset on Thursday, and start over with a bigger number). They've committed to that 7200 box sets with "all the acouterments"...but I wonder how little of a change it would take to reissue as unnumbered sets. Hmmm. "Binding contracts" blah blah blah in sales has a lot of history, and those weasel words are tried and tested - and enforceability is only as good as the ability to undertake the financial war involved in court cases: who can afford to drag things out the longest. False advertising is the more risky thing here, gotta be careful what you say and how you say it when you advertise and sell a thing, and giving something that "limited edition" tag is a big deal. It may not have been too late to cancel the whole deal last week and restart with a larger issue number but it certainly is now, at least not without incurring a whole lot of grief. This is assuming there are not some other production/scheduling restraints but I don't see that. I vaguely remember when the FW'69 box was announced there was some phrasing on the page that implied "buy the box because when it's gone the music will be unavailable". Bad move there. I think that's why we haven't seen any additional release of those shows, even as a "music only" stripped down version or as individual shows. The demand is certainly there, I bet they could sell 10,000 more right now. The box was OK but nothing like a fancy E72 deal, the big thing there was the limited number. And it wasn't even as limited as they said it would be! "Limited to 10,000 numbered boxes" but how many of those "PROMO" boxes went out as well? I bet there was quite a few. *Those* are the real collectors item, IMHO. Wish I could've bought that one the photographer lady had up for sale - and I already have one of the numbered ones. I wouldn't be surprised if there are actually more than 7200 fancy boxes, and if there weren't more than 3,000 "personalized" editions (still thinking that's a GD logo luggage tag LOL). For that matter they never really said they'd sell all 7200 that they make! Maybe they only sell 7100 and reserve 100 for other uses. There's plenty of wiggle room in the numbers, and who's gonna count? Hopefully they will make some extra for charity auctions, The Kind do some good works. Hopefully they'll slip some extra personalizations in there, who knows? For about twenty four hours there the box set was gonna be the ONLY way to get the music - coming up with the "music only" option was pretty sweet - although it could've withstood a little price break, compared to the fancy box the margin on the "music only" is huge LOL. The book (which I hope is as cool as it has the potential to be, about the tour itself) I would expect to become available as a separate item. Be silly if it didn't. Whatever other goodies they choose to include in the fancy box (damn I wish I'd saved that webpage with the sketch ;) ) will no doubt be cool, some replica buttons or posters or whatever. I love those little surprises.
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This talk about Rhino/GD canceling the orders and starting over is an exercise in futility because it AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN. So you can stop with the theoretical procedures, unless of course you like to debate about fantasy, then go at it by all means. LOL.
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I'm ordering the music only - which is exactly what I want. It seems people are mostly pissed because they aren't getting the limited, numbered, personalized, super-special, trinket-laden, extra-cool, double-secret edition complete with hair samples, tissue simples, and blood samples of each band member in individually numbered vials (only the first 3,000 get Jerry's). Am I right? It appears that lots, if not most upset people are upset because they missed the chance to own a "collectible". Is it a missed investment strategy some people are mad about? It really looks that way. The reaction to this reminds me of the people who went into a frenzy 30 years ago because they couldn't get their children Cabbage Patch dolls. Remember that? People lost their minds because Cabbage Patch kids were sold out everywhere. There was practically rioting. Can we try to have some perspective? So like a lot of other people, I'm losing out on a few dancing bear stickers and a "personalized" box. Big deal. I'll put the "discs only" in my own box (and personalize it myself). Yeah, I know, the execution of this process should have been much better. I'm not sticking up for anyone, but jeez guys, the redundancy of the posts is unbelievable. I'm just glad to be able to get the discs at all. Ya know? People can say what they want, I know, so I thought I'd just say how I feel too. Just give me the discs. "Lost Kid," for the record, the complete Fillmore '69 box was not produced by Rhino.That was produced by the Grateful Dead organization. Rhino released the 3-CD 'best-of' Fillmore '69 only. They had nothing to do with the complete box. We just can't lay everything mistake at their feet. OK. I'll sit back now and wait to be attacked.
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Rhino/GD did not have to make this a limited edition box, and GD didn't have to include a bonus disc only for those who subscibe to RTs but they did. Why? Because of $$$. Again. these incentives generate more purchasing (re: $$$) than not offering them, at least in the short term. Also, it costs $$$ to keep products in circulation, some cost more then others (this E72 box will cost ALOT more to keep in circulation than a RT cd) so by limiting items they can get their upfront $$$ and not worry about the costs of keeping them available. The bonus discs help to generate more and faster sales. GD/Rhino was even worried that they might not sell even 3000 copies, so there was alot of worry that the cost would outwiegh sales.
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Maybe in view of the extra demand for the full box, a 'second edition' or 'version 2' or 'updated version' could be released, just as book reprints get done. Maybe that would get round any legal issues of the limited edition nature of the first print. Its a different product. Perhaps the only difference in the boxes being that the 2nd edition includes an essay about the demand for the first being so overwhelming that a 2nd edition was needed. Perhaps some choice quotes from this forum could be included. (On second thoughts, scrap the quotes idea...!) It would mean everyone could get the full caboodle
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With labelling Europe 72 as a limited edition. That implies it is a collector's edition (which in the end was the ultimate reason for me to purchase this). And in that case it is the same as trying to get concert tickets where only a limited amount of product can be sold. Maybe they shouldn't have labeled this as 'limited edition', that's another debate altogether. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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"Perhaps the only difference in the boxes being that the 2nd edition includes an essay about the demand for the first being so overwhelming that a 2nd edition was needed." And an essay...no, a BOOK! by marye, of the trials and tribulations of being a dead.net forum moderator. LMAO I bet she's got stories ;) LOL Yeti_UK for the WIN.
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I am a collector and that is why I am purchasing this. You can rest assured that my copy will not be going up on Ebay. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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So what if I had ordered a personalised set but it arrived with a spelling mistake in my chosen personalisation which meant it read comic bodger and not cosmic badger? Would I be able to sue for both non fulfilment of contract and defamation? Just wondering if any one can help as this has been worrying me quite a lot.
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"Comic bodger" LOLOLOL. Yeah, one of the as-yet unforeseen brouhahas is gonna be the personalization typos - those will no doubt be discussed extensively on pages 2300 - 2500 of the current thread ;) Another reason for my "luggage tag" theory. Easy to catch/fix in production, not something permanently fixed to the box itself.
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"investment stragety" what yuppie thought that one up, if you are buying this to recoupe revenues you have missed the bus and proubly didn't belong on it in the first place. I'm buying this because it's the greatest music in the world, period. Unfortunately, we live in a capitalistic world, where the rich get richer by doing just what they do, buy low and sell high, the way to stop that, don't buy the resales on auction sites, easy.
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...or Cosmic Bodger: According to the contractual details set forth by your implicit agreement in pressing the "order" button, and pursuant to the precedent set by the court's decision in the case of Louisiana vs. Doodah Man, in the event of a misprint on the box set you would be required to change your own name to to match.
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I, for one, think you are right Captain Stormfield.********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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But Bodger is in France, so Louisiana jurisdiction would not be viable. He would be required to change his name to Monsieur Le Cosmique Bogier! :)********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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The good news is that there are a lot less posts here about people who reserved Friday or Saturday and haven't heard anything. I think they are doing a good job working through the reservations and orders. The bad news is that the lawyers & paralegals are getting antsy on the forum. At least we are not paying them by the hour! Another thumbs up for Captian Stormfield's post!
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got my email with my exclusive code for my personalized edition. went to order the box and a power outage shut me down. went back and now the code says it's already been used. immediately wrote and called dead.net support and was told all will be fine. 48 hrs. later still waiting and hoping all will be fine.
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My great grandfather invested in a limited, deluxe box set of Glenn Miller 78s put out by RCA (now a subsidiary of Sony) back in the early 40s. When he sold them on eBay a couple years ago, he barely broke even after adjusting for inflation. At the time, we didn't think about sueing Sony for breach of contract. Now I realize we left thousands of dollars in damages slip through our fingers. As Peter Fonda says in EASY RIDER, "We blew it."
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I knew I could get some reliable advice here. Thanks shrewnews. I hope you don't mind if I now PM you with a lot of other important legal concerns I have ;-)
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"People lost their minds because Cabbage Patch kids were sold out everywhere. There was practically rioting." Rioting is not cool. Maybe if a bunch of us climb up into the redwoods in Phil's backyard and refuse to come down they'll press up some copies of the F69 box. We'll need some helpers to deal with food and waste issues, too.
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For those unwilling or unable to purchase this set: maybe you can eventually get a box that contains nothing but all 22 versions of "Cosmic Charlie" played on the E72 tour. I know that's what I really want. However, I'm concerned about the packaging of it. If it comes in that "Road Trips" cardboard stuff, I'll never buy anything from Rhino ever again. Ever. Should we demand downloads? Oh wait, no...that might screw with sound quality. No..we'll have to demand Flac downloads. Wait...I'll buy it in CD form if it comes with the rumored BONUS disc. Yeah, you know the one everyone's been talking about: "The Complete Winterland 'Cosmic Charlie' collection: '72-'74" (fully remastered by Jeffery Norman, natch). This disc contains every note of every "CC" ever played at the historic venue between 1972 and 1974. Hmm. Maybe I'll buy two of these and put one for sale on eBay (I don't want anyone to miss out on the beauty of the bonus disc). No. Scratch that. What I meant was...maybe I'll buy two copies (yeah, one for my friend), so we can save on shipping costs. Oh wait. What if they offer free shipping for early orders? Shit. Does this mean my friend should buy his own?
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Captain Stormfield ""Lost Kid," for the record, the complete Fillmore '69 box was not produced by Rhino.That was produced by the Grateful Dead organization. Rhino released the 3-CD 'best-of' Fillmore '69 only. They had nothing to do with the complete box. We just can't lay everything mistake at their feet." Thanks for the clarification. Going forward, I'll try to do a better job of spreading the blame around appropriately.
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I wonder if anyone else is seeing a hold on their debit card. I made my reservation on Sunday. I was told that I would not be charged until closer to the release date in September. That would give me time to put away a few bucks toward this monumental box set. When checking my balance I see that $489 is pending. This is also reflected in my balance. So even though the actual money has not exchanged hands I am unable to access the funds to pay my bills etc. This is going to be a little bit hard to explain to the Mrs. What's the difference if they take the money or not if I can't get my hands on it? Oh well, looks like it's going to be pork and beans for the next few days until my next payday. I don't really mind. I just wish it was September already. Anyone else run into this dilemma?
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Obviously I meant "Mr. Charlie". I sometimes get my Charlies confused. And scratch the bonus disc idea. Pig was gone by '74. Better luck next time on my future pretend releases I guess.
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I'm assuming that that the box is going to consist of an outer layer of jewel-encrusted bear hide surrounding a miniature set of mahogany shelves.
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Didn't you get that detail in the "Heads up" email last week?
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"According to the contractual details set forth by your implicit agreement in pressing the "order" button, and pursuant to the precedent set by the court's decision in the case of Louisiana vs. Doodah Man, in the event of a misprint on the box set you would be required to change your own name to to match." ROTFLAMAO
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"So even though the actual money has not exchanged hands I am unable to access the funds to pay my bills etc. This is going to be a little bit hard to explain to the Mrs." This is what you do: next time your wife steps out of the house, sell your refrigerator and TV and put the money in your account. When your wife comes back and asks what happened to the refrigerator and TV, tell her that they totally broke down so you took them to the junkyard. Problem solved.
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i'm used to paying about 20/show through this website, but now that i'm buying in bulk - 22 shows - i expect some kind of discount. No dice. I don't care how nice the packaging is (and it better be nice), 450 is too much for 22 shows. This site was due to treat its customers right for once. When is that going to happen?
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Seems to me that different credit cards (in different countries) work differently. When I use my card, initially the amount appears as an "authorised payment" but that amount is NOT deducted from my credit limit. After a few days sum involved disappears from the "authorised payment" and usually appears in the "payments", which then reduces my credit limit. If the sum is not actually paid - as would/should be the case here, the sum simply disappears. In that event, the (potential) recipient of the moolah has the authority to take payment at a later date as it has been authorized. It would seem to work differently in America.
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and now you guys are saying that the important thing is that the music will still be available to all. No, the important thing is that you guys are still raking in the cash. I can't believe you guys are charging 450 for just the music. That means no discount for buying 22 shows at once. I've known dope dealers with better deals. Shame on you.
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I can't imagine the chaos and bitching that would ensue over a payment plan. Can you imagine a "down payment" of $131, paying 18% interest for those with a credit score of 600 and above? Total would have been $531.00, then 7 monthly payments of $57.14. Payment coupon books sent out upon successful credit check and cashed down payment. Yikes! That would have been truly the American way. If they put the $81 in interest into the Rex fund that would have been pretty cool karma though. But that is way to much overkill for a box set offering. On the same and differing notes: As revenge for not limiting the E72 box sets to one per person, I'll be releasing, in HDCD, the pristine board recording of Fairgrounds Pavilion, Tulsa, Oklahoma, 2/6/79, for the choice low price of $199. All Profits to Betty Cantor. No collector has this recording. If you're a real serious collector you must buy from me to complete 1979.. It can only be financed with a $49 down payment at 18% interest (total 236.81). Six payments of $31.30 to follow . No credit check, money orders only. Finance option only, can not be bought at the full price. Payment coupon books available now for those who send the $49 down payment. A set of of 12 Polaroid pictures from the show comes with every plastic case which has a picture of the band on the stage at the Fairgrounds Pavilion wrapped around. Nudge, nudge, wink-wink - Isn't it time to stop the whining? And god help us all if the preceding paragraph ever comes to fruition! It very well could, given the absolute mania over the E-72 box!
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$450 for a 60+ CD set - good deal. $450 for a 60+ CD numbered limited editon box set with lavish packaging and lots of goodies - bargain
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Alright, being one of those who hit the panic button a bit prematurely, was very pleased to find my code mail this morning, I'm now in after reserving on Friday, so there is still hope out there.Now for the 9 month wait...
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It's that 9-month wait that's going to be the hardest part...
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I was one of the ones who reserved a copy and then heard nothing for days. After I had lost hope, last night I got an e-mail and was able to order a non-personalized (i.e., standard edition) box set. Needless to say, I am beyond ecstatic. My only regret now is that I didn't reserve more than one so I could share with some of my less fortunate brothers and sisters here. I would have accepted just the music only edition (though been a little sad about it because I am a collector of limited run box sets - Genius of Miles Davis, Duke Ellington Centennial Edition, DG Complete Beethoven Edition, Dead Complete Fillmore, just to list a few). Maybe the silver lining here is that the demand was so great that future projects will be easily green-lighted, making more and more of the vault available in stunning sound. I am truly sorry for all the bad feelings this release brought about and truly thankful for everyone who helped (Marye!) all of us. Thanks to all the customer service reps that have been patiently trying to make things "just exactly perfect". Looking forward to the discussion of the music in September.
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happened to me and I was charged overdraft fees even though it was a pending charge and when I spoke to my bank, er I mean government sanctioned thieves, they said that dead.net is responsible for re-imbursing me...even though the e-mails I got said my card would not be charged until it ships...and if dead.net puts a hold on your money with the intention of letting it go, just to make sure it is valid, why not a reasonable amount of a dollar, fifty, or a hundred, why put a hold on 450$? Oh well, just wondering...
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And for the first time ever it said that my account is unavailable. I suppose there was a glitch with my Europe order and it wiped out my account. I probably shouldn't joke about something like that =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"