• October 13, 2011
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    Europe '72: The Complete Recordings - All The Music Edition

    Europe '72:
    The Complete Recordings -
    All The Music Edition

    Our Europe '72 boxed set is now officially sold out, with all 7,200 boxes now gone! We can't thank you enough for your support, for having faith in the project and taking the plunge to purchase this unprecedented release. Despite the fact that it's going to be a bit of a wait before it arrives on your door step, we are sure you'll be blown away with the results.

    We are now offering the All-The-Music edition of Europe '72, which includes all of the music recorded on the tour, with each show in its own individual package, complete with its own liner notes by Dead scholars such as David Gans, Blair Jackson, Steve Silberman, Gary Lambert and others, as well as by attendees of some of the shows. You'll get 73 CDs and over 70 hours of prime Grateful Dead.

    IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC...

    Because you dared dream this might happen one day… Because you went down to the Gypsy Woman and offered up your first-born to try to make it happen… Because there are enough passionate Dead Heads at Rhino/GD who thought it might be cool for this to happen… It’s happening! Coming in September is a gargantuan EUROPE ’72 MEGA-BOX SET containing ALL 22 SHOWS of what is arguably the greatest tour the Grateful Dead ever played, on a whopping and clearly cosmic 73 DISCS (over 70 hours of music!). Bet you didn’t see that comin’!

    Really, at this point we probably don’t need to lay on too much hype about how wonderful the music is: Chances are, if you’re even considering buying a copy of this enormous box, you already know how amazing the Dead’s tour of Europe in April and May of 1972 was. To review briefly, though, the Dead’s first tour outside of North America took them to all sorts of historic and unusual venues in England, Denmark, West Germany, France, Holland and even tiny Luxembourg. Many members of the Dead “family” came along on what was really an extended working vacation that was designed to both expose the Dead to new audiences and also reward the band for their unlikely conquest of America during the preceding two years. As a hedge against the costs of the nearly two-month trip, the Dead’s label, Warner Bros., paid for the band to lug around a 16-track recorder to capture the entire tour… and we’re glad they did!

    This was a band at the top of its game, still ascending in the wake of three straight hit albums — Workingman’s Dead, American Beauty and the live Grateful Dead (“Skull & Roses”). It had been a year since the lineup had gone to its single-drummer configuration, six months since Keith Godchaux had been broken in as the group’s exceptional pianist, and this marked the first tour to feature Donna Godchaux as a member of the touring band. There was a ton on new, unreleased material that came into the repertoire in the fall of ’71 (after “Skull & Roses” was out) and during the spring of ’72, including “Tennessee Jed,” “Jack Straw,” “Mexicali Blues,” “He’s Gone,” “Comes A Time,” “Ramble on Rose,” “One More Saturday Night,” “Black-Throated Wind,” “Looks Like Rain” and Pigpen’s “Chinatown Shuffle,” “The Stranger (Two Souls in Communion)” and “Mr. Charlie.” (Sadly, this was Pigpen’s final tour.) All those future classics were interspersed with songs from the aforementioned “hit” albums—such as “Uncle John’s Band,” “Brokedown Palace,” “Cumberland Blues,” “Casey Jones,” “Sugar Magnolia,” “Bertha,” “Not Fade Away,” et al — and then were topped off by loads of big jamming numbers — the Europe ’72 tour produced spectacular versions of “Dark Star,” “The Other One” “Playing in the Band,” “Truckin’,” “China Cat Sunflower” > “I Know You Rider,” “Good Lovin’,” “Lovelight” and even the early Pig chestnut “Caution.” And that’s leaving out a truckload of other tunes, too! There wasn’t a clunker show in the bunch, and many are acknowledged today as classics. No doubt you already have some favorites.

    Through the years, there have been a few releases of material from the Europe tour—starting with the 3-album Europe ’72 which knocked our socks off in the fall of that year, and followed many years later by material from a pair of German shows and the fantastic 4-CD Stepping Out, culled from the group’s eight shows in England. Incredibly, though, only one full show from the tour has come out previously: the excellent 4/24 concert in Dusseldorf, Germany, released as Rockin’ the Rhein in 2004.

    Until now, that is. Jeffrey Norman, who has been the primary mixer of Dead archival multi-track material for the past 15 years (Fillmore West ’69, Ladies and Gentlemen…, Rockin’ the Rhein, Nightfall of Diamonds, etc.) has spent many months toiling over the 16-track masters from the tour, and will continue working on the mixes through the Winter and Spring, employing the high-tech Plangent Processes transfer and restoration tools, trying to get every show to sound “just exactly perfect” (as Bob Weir says) for this release. You might think you’ve heard that intense “Dark Star” > “Sugar Mag” > “Caution” from Copenhagen, but I guarantee you’ve never heard it sound this alive! Mastering to HDCD specs is two-time Grammy-winning engineer David Glasser of Airshow Mastering. Needless to say, all the songs that turned up on previous Europe compilations will be appear in their proper show contexts, and in the case of songs from the Europe ’72 album, without overdubs that were added later (where possible).

    So dig deep, raid the penny jar, take a weekend job at Jack-in-the-Box, beg your kindly ol’ grandma for some of your inheritance early… Yes, it’s an extravagance, but jeez, you (or your loved one) deserve it! This is way cool.

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Europe '72:
The Complete Recordings -
All The Music Edition

Our Europe '72 boxed set is now officially sold out, with all 7,200 boxes now gone! We can't thank you enough for your support, for having faith in the project and taking the plunge to purchase this unprecedented release. Despite the fact that it's going to be a bit of a wait before it arrives on your door step, we are sure you'll be blown away with the results.

We are now offering the All-The-Music edition of Europe '72, which includes all of the music recorded on the tour, with each show in its own individual package, complete with its own liner notes by Dead scholars such as David Gans, Blair Jackson, Steve Silberman, Gary Lambert and others, as well as by attendees of some of the shows. You'll get 73 CDs and over 70 hours of prime Grateful Dead.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC...

Because you dared dream this might happen one day… Because you went down to the Gypsy Woman and offered up your first-born to try to make it happen… Because there are enough passionate Dead Heads at Rhino/GD who thought it might be cool for this to happen… It’s happening! Coming in September is a gargantuan EUROPE ’72 MEGA-BOX SET containing ALL 22 SHOWS of what is arguably the greatest tour the Grateful Dead ever played, on a whopping and clearly cosmic 73 DISCS (over 70 hours of music!). Bet you didn’t see that comin’!

Really, at this point we probably don’t need to lay on too much hype about how wonderful the music is: Chances are, if you’re even considering buying a copy of this enormous box, you already know how amazing the Dead’s tour of Europe in April and May of 1972 was. To review briefly, though, the Dead’s first tour outside of North America took them to all sorts of historic and unusual venues in England, Denmark, West Germany, France, Holland and even tiny Luxembourg. Many members of the Dead “family” came along on what was really an extended working vacation that was designed to both expose the Dead to new audiences and also reward the band for their unlikely conquest of America during the preceding two years. As a hedge against the costs of the nearly two-month trip, the Dead’s label, Warner Bros., paid for the band to lug around a 16-track recorder to capture the entire tour… and we’re glad they did!

This was a band at the top of its game, still ascending in the wake of three straight hit albums — Workingman’s Dead, American Beauty and the live Grateful Dead (“Skull & Roses”). It had been a year since the lineup had gone to its single-drummer configuration, six months since Keith Godchaux had been broken in as the group’s exceptional pianist, and this marked the first tour to feature Donna Godchaux as a member of the touring band. There was a ton on new, unreleased material that came into the repertoire in the fall of ’71 (after “Skull & Roses” was out) and during the spring of ’72, including “Tennessee Jed,” “Jack Straw,” “Mexicali Blues,” “He’s Gone,” “Comes A Time,” “Ramble on Rose,” “One More Saturday Night,” “Black-Throated Wind,” “Looks Like Rain” and Pigpen’s “Chinatown Shuffle,” “The Stranger (Two Souls in Communion)” and “Mr. Charlie.” (Sadly, this was Pigpen’s final tour.) All those future classics were interspersed with songs from the aforementioned “hit” albums—such as “Uncle John’s Band,” “Brokedown Palace,” “Cumberland Blues,” “Casey Jones,” “Sugar Magnolia,” “Bertha,” “Not Fade Away,” et al — and then were topped off by loads of big jamming numbers — the Europe ’72 tour produced spectacular versions of “Dark Star,” “The Other One” “Playing in the Band,” “Truckin’,” “China Cat Sunflower” > “I Know You Rider,” “Good Lovin’,” “Lovelight” and even the early Pig chestnut “Caution.” And that’s leaving out a truckload of other tunes, too! There wasn’t a clunker show in the bunch, and many are acknowledged today as classics. No doubt you already have some favorites.

Through the years, there have been a few releases of material from the Europe tour—starting with the 3-album Europe ’72 which knocked our socks off in the fall of that year, and followed many years later by material from a pair of German shows and the fantastic 4-CD Stepping Out, culled from the group’s eight shows in England. Incredibly, though, only one full show from the tour has come out previously: the excellent 4/24 concert in Dusseldorf, Germany, released as Rockin’ the Rhein in 2004.

Until now, that is. Jeffrey Norman, who has been the primary mixer of Dead archival multi-track material for the past 15 years (Fillmore West ’69, Ladies and Gentlemen…, Rockin’ the Rhein, Nightfall of Diamonds, etc.) has spent many months toiling over the 16-track masters from the tour, and will continue working on the mixes through the Winter and Spring, employing the high-tech Plangent Processes transfer and restoration tools, trying to get every show to sound “just exactly perfect” (as Bob Weir says) for this release. You might think you’ve heard that intense “Dark Star” > “Sugar Mag” > “Caution” from Copenhagen, but I guarantee you’ve never heard it sound this alive! Mastering to HDCD specs is two-time Grammy-winning engineer David Glasser of Airshow Mastering. Needless to say, all the songs that turned up on previous Europe compilations will be appear in their proper show contexts, and in the case of songs from the Europe ’72 album, without overdubs that were added later (where possible).

So dig deep, raid the penny jar, take a weekend job at Jack-in-the-Box, beg your kindly ol’ grandma for some of your inheritance early… Yes, it’s an extravagance, but jeez, you (or your loved one) deserve it! This is way cool.

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That's a great idea- Preserve the original recording. I've wondered what I would do if one of the cd's gets damaged. I think you solved the question for me...Thank You!
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I wonder what the chances are of this box set coming out on 180gram vinyl??
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2935/7200. Apparently one of only two shipped to Canada. The post office hit me with a 61 dollar DUTY fee. All in all it was a total of $600 well spent. I'm happy. And I'm even more pleased to be totally finished with this thread. Happy listening people! See you in the vineyard.
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Message for mousestrauss .... it's on it's way... I've seen it.
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I'd guess the chances are absolutely zero. There would be more LPs than there are CDs, and at the price they'd have to charge I seriously doubt the market is there - the LP reissues are running almost $25 a disc so a "music only" vinyl set would be like $1500 minimum. The shows would get all chopped up putting 'em on vinyl too. Hopefully there's a Big Brain at Rhino that will someday make a case for issuing the music on flash drives, the format is cheap enough and I guarantee they could sell enough to make it worth the investment. Most if not all the previously released music is already available as digital downloads (not directly from dead.net though, they've subbed it out) so all that's needed is loading the albums onto a stealie-logoed memory stick. Has anybody ripped the whole E72 set to the highest quality MP3 format yet - how big did that turn out to be?
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Well, I've certainly had less problems than lotsa folks here; hope everyone gets their copies soon. Got mine back on 8/31, and can tell from everyone else that was just plain dumb luck. Did anyone get their label/number after the fact in the mail, after they'd already received the box? Got an email around ten days ago saying I would but haven't received it yet....Can't complain though if folks are still waiting on music!...It's well worth the wait.... Totally confused about numbers now. Thought only the first 3K were getting them already put on their boxes, but perhaps not the case...I don't know anymore....thank God for the music... Had to take a break from '72; turned to 9/19-20/90 Road Trips fer some modern sounds.... =) Great...but it ain't Europe '72 =)
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is dead. Some have suggested flash drives or doing something like what the Beatles. I like that idea, but higher resolution would be a must. Another option that should have been considered would have been releasing these 22 shows on 22 Blu-ray discs in the highest resolution possible, and each disc could have slide shows and that sort of thing if you choose to watch while you listen. It would have been a more manageable number of discs and higher quality sound. CD's just don't make sense anymore.
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At some point higher resolution just accentuates the flaws of the source material. Although this release sounds great, the master tapes due to their age exhibit some degradation from the ravages of time. I don
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O.K. I've now finishd the first show and am onto the second. I'm determined not to make this a race, despite having to check every disc, because I want to enjoy every minute without that pressure. Anyway, lights out again for the second set from 07.04, and the 'Truckin'/Drums/Other One/El Paso/Other One/Wharf Rat' sequence is a mindblower. I know everybody has different preferences as to how the sound should be mixed/mastered for CD, and it's also dependent on your home system, but I love it: Phil's bass high in the mix so you can really hear the intracies of what he's doing, but still leaving space to get everything else as clear as a bell. Had soundboards from most of this tour for years but not the first show, and as somebody else has said, what an opener. As to the individual CD packages, I'm having no problems: just gently opening the slot and pulling the CD out by the edge (of course, ensuring fingers not covered with tomato sauce from my grand-daughter's bib)!
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Regarding getting the cds out the best way is to squeeze and shake the cd out but bear in mind the card to the right of the opening is more rigid because it is doubled up so you need to press in middle of there so that it gives way when you squeeze otherwise the cover will tear along the crease. So far I have torn one one sleeve because of the weak point on the crease and I'm sure more will follow no matter how careful I am at trying to remove the cds.
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Been in wild wild Ireland for 2 weeks - still there - just got net access, and I see that the wrong card has been billed for E72 despite me ringing them after the last email on this a while back. I am now heavily ovedrdrawn and will get some hefty charges. Get back to UK Monday when I will chase this bit I am REALLY PISSED OFF ABOUT THIS as I was assured my credit card would be used by customer srvcs, NOT the one they used. PLAIN CARELESS INCOMPETENCE, and I am already hit over the odds for UK tax and import duties on this release
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So I have listened to quite a few shows in awe of the sound. I have a fairly high-end system. I finally compared these to one of my best "charlie miller MSR > DAT > CD" sources for rotterdam. I chose to compare Pigpen's Two Souls in Communion which is one of my favorite live dead tunes. The new source is a definite improvement mostly in terms of hiss removal and high-end frequency and low-end cleaness. Now its not a mind blowing difference but more like going from an A+ quality to an A++. But if you really want the best and want to crank it up with the cleanest sound the new releases win. I especially found the centeniel hall show super crisp and clean but have not yet compared to hundred year hall. On the fence... pull the trigger and do it. I toohave fallen victim to ripping a cover, I have since decided to put all CDs in paper sleeves and not store in the packaging provided. Now if we could only get a RT release of Augusta '84 or someone found the lost January 79 reels (anyone try Brent's house) my wishes would all come true.
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I was asked what I thought about the E72 Complete vs. some of the past official issues such as rockin' the rhein. I decided to compare Dark Star from that show (4/24). There is a difference that is audible. First making it hard to compare side by side the two masterings seem to be done at different volume levels with the Rockin' the Rhein version being at a higher volume level then the new E72 complete version. The other difference I could make out was that the Rockin' the Rhein version seemed to contain more resonance creating a somewhat more hall like presentation of the music. The delta is small but is noticeable. The E72 version is still fantastic and in some ways may be cleaner but all the work done to make it so clean and maybe consistent with all the other shows in terms of sound may have removed some of the resonance factor I mentioned above. Its a subtle difference and some folks may like one or the other. Personally I am thrilled with the E72 set and consider it generally an upgrade to what was circulating previously. One of these days would like to see an official SACD or DVD-A 5.1 surround sound release from the folks at Rhino. If you get confused listen to the music play!
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Deadahead I think you got it just right. You can't make the source better so releasing older material (especially live ) could make it actually sound worse. While these are beautiful, when listening in front of your stereo and doing nothing but listen to the music you can occasionally hear the limits of the source. I say again this is not a complait just my obsevations on tiny flaws on 40 year old material. Now FMR while I agree that Blueray is the future and wouldn't have a problem with things coming out on both the reality is the vast majority of the country do not have this format and due to current economic conditions will have to push back plans to upgrade. It would be foolish for any business to only cater to the few rather than the many. For this and other reasons mentioned above the CD is not dead-nor is for that matter vinyl
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Oooops I forgot to mention I was talking about CD being dead and these should have been released on Blueray
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Blu Ray. I know it's tough to upgrade right now, but it seems that Blu Ray has made more market penetration than DVD-A or SACD did, and hopefully it will become a viable audio format. CD is a functional format, and can sound very good with careful mastering. Vinyl is great, but even those virgin vinyl Deutsche Grammophon/ECM pressings can get pops and crackles after a few years, and can anyone imagine how much this set would weigh on vinyl! The thing that worries me about these debates is those that effectively say "downloads are the future, everything else is for dinosaurs". If the rest of us don't stand up and be counted, crappy, lossy mp3s with no information and no packaging will be the only option. I admit I have bought a couple of 24 bit/96kHz downloads recently, but there is limited choice, from limited outlets, and I'd prefer to be able to buy a physical format. I always burn them to DVD anyway, because I have far better amp and speakers for my hifi than for my computer. Anyway, my box is due for delivery by Tuesday... can't wait!
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You are right that blueray has a bigger inpact than DVD-A and SACD (much to my sorrow SACD never took off) but that's almost completely because of movies not as an audio medium such as the 2 mentioned. I agree 100% about downloads
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This box set is proof. 7200 73cd box sets sold out in roughly a month. That doesn't even count the all the music editions being sold. CS said that they have sold a lot of the all the music sets. Walbass, I am right there with you. 24/96 is great, but it is not user friendly. I'd rather get a cd and than decide what format to use for playback and storage. Plus I still like getting the entire package, ie. Liner notes, lyrics, etc. I still love listening to albums all the way through, instead of listening to songs in piecemeal form. If that makes me old fashioned, so be it
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I finally finished copying all of the CD's, scanning the covers, and ripping the discs into Itunes. I ripped them using the apple lossless codec all totaled the entire set came to a little over 24 gig's. I put all of the originals back in the steamer trunk, put the plastic bag on the trunk and placed it on my shelf where it will sit protected. The music is awesome.
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Well, what can I say? My first language is Swedish, so obviously I don't know all the correct English words. There were TWO English words for the Swedish "pincett" and I thought nipper sounded just about exactly right, to nip a record out of it's sleeve! ^_ ^ Well, I turned to my old dictionary and it said 'tweezer' as the more accurate translation, so I guess you take a tweezer and twine (another new word to me) the squeezing end with plaster (I'm using textile plaster). wharfrat1: Well, you must be old fashioned and so am I ... :-D Micke
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Currently working my way through ripping to iTunes in Apple lossless, and currently listening to Dark Star, from 2nd night at Wembley 4/8/72. Had to compare it to the version on 'Steppin' Out', and there are noticeable differences. Firstly, as somebody previously stated, Phil's Bass appeared to be more prominent in the mix, but this may be due to the extra clarity with the E72 version, and the further I got into the track the more natural it sounded. Another example is Cumberland Blues, from the same show. When I compare it to the 'Golden Road/Europe'72' version, there's a big difference in the vocal mix. Donna's voice is much more prominent in the earlier version. Again, the E72 version sounds more natural and has that extra clarity. Once they're all ripped, I going to try to listen to them in order ...... we'' see how long that last's, as I'm dying to hear the Lyceum shows again !
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My non-personalized non-numbered edition arrived in Canada yesterday. Duty came to $62.25. I think it's a stunningly beautiful product. I had expected a letdown due to some of the negative comments here, and hey, each to their own, but there is zero disappointment on my part here. The trunk is robust and well-designed, graphically and structurally. Aside from the ordering snafu, the box itself is an amazing achievement by the folks at Dead.Net & Rhino. I'm blown away. I'll echo the comments re opening it on its end (vertically like a book instead of horizontally like a treasure chest) -- that's how it's designed. The tilt and pinch method for accessing the discs has worked just fine -- yes, the sleeves are delicate, but it's possible to use them without ripping them. Thanks to all those involved who made this happen -- again, it's an incredible product and quite frankly, worth the price and hassle to finally have it.
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hello I had a riddle to share w/ everyone currently on ebay there are two boxes w/ #2842 and from sellers on opposite sides of the country theories anyone ? an anomally possiblly does that mean ones rarer than the other lol the saga continues ! everyone have a wonderful evening
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I got one of the first 200 sets and quickly made copies of all CD's and scans of all of the CD booklets, ripped it all to iTunes, and saved Disc Images of each on my external hard drive. The reprint of the original tour book "The Book of the Dead" was cool and the other book of new written commentary on the tour and vintage photos was fun to look through. The trunk is well-made and good-looking with stickers of each city pasted on the outside. The thing is, once I've read through the books, the set would just sit in a closet and take up space. I know there are many folks out there who want the set and I could certainly use the money. I wasn't interested in trying to score a fortune so I put it up for the price I paid for it ($450) and after a week it sold for $565 and now someone else is enjoying opening the box and listening to all of that damn fine music. Because ultimately, isn't it all about the music? The consistent excellence of the performances is stunning. Truly the greatest band in the land at one their highest peaks. If you get confused, listen to the music play! ChinaRider
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Congratulations, I didn't realize you could put a price on dignity, but somehow you managed this. Well done!
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Somebody should read the ToS in a manner that results in his account getting erased. Jerk.
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Yes, let's lynch the greedy bum! Christ, what world do you people live in? Earn your own money and pay your own bills and then come talk to me. There are lots of sellers out there putting these things up at over $1000. I offered it for the same price I paid! Free-willed people chose to bid what they felt it was worth. Grow up and move out of your mommy basement. If you get confused, listen to the music play! ChinaRider
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ChinaRider - What you have done is unquestionably illegal... And you appear to be quite proud of your achievement - you disgust me. According to MaryE from a previous post: "yes, downright illegal. If you no longer legally possess the physical media you have no right to the content" So let's take a look at eBay to see if you are actually this revolting... And there you appear to be: an eBay login of "chrisbarry1016" selling "Grateful Dead - Europe 72: The Complete Recordings" for $565.60 with the auction ending on 9/12/11. The box set number on eBay is 1932/7200 and the personalization is "If you get confused, listen to the music play!" which is stated in your blog post... The auction number is 300596480845. And, according to eBay, you appear to live in Havertown, PA... So, if you have indeed illegally sold your box set and kept the music as you claim, I wonder how Dead.net, eBay.com, and Paypal.com will respond to your behavior? Karma comes around, so does the law...
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I'm listening in order, and just finished listening to the first Paris show, 5/3, and this is one of the finest of the tour I've heard. Stellar from start to finish, I'm very excited about Paris night 2!! The tour train started strong, and by West Germany it's full steam ahead!!!
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It's actually Vive La France, sorry for the mistake. Just trying to get everything just exactly right. I don't speak French, but WOW do I love that Paris show!!!
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Now, I'm even more confused. Still wanna know my own number (and wanna know/am hoping that it's a unique one among 7200!)...hopefully will get my label soon... I'm amazed at how easy it is to copy all this stuff. Definitely BS from the GD copyright perspective; they have every right to go after people, as should any other artists. (But then I'm pretty tech-ignorant. My only ipod is an '05? '06 ipod nano with only 4GB (!), which is all filled up with CDs I already had; I've never downloaded/bought a new song from itunes in my life.) Just goes to show the technology has long surpassed honesty/integrity (not to mention legality) of some customers. It's Steve Jobs' world now; we just live in it....
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I'm fairly certain it's not illegal to sell your set once you've ripped it. What's illegal is selling a copy of a copyrighted work. Anyone can re-sell an original work at whatever the market bears, regardless if they've made a copy for their own use. If the terms of sale read otherwise, then so what - dead.net isn't out anything because they limited sales to 7200. If anything, this guy passed it along at zero profit to somebody who would not have had it otherwise. And let's all get real on two points: 1. This set is now out there for free for anybody remotely tech-savvy; 2. There's no such thing as karma. Just conscience. I'm not selling my set but I'd never cast a stone at those who do. At face no less.
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You speak Swedish...more than I can say. Nice. I only speak English and a little French. I suggest to use the sideways squeeze method though. I'd be too freaked to scratch the discs! Glad you finally have your set! Enjoy the tunes!
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Bliss and ChinaRider - Let's be clear. (1) Every CD case in the Europe '72 Complete Recordings states: Copyright 2011 Grateful Dead Productions. All Rights Reserved. (2) In the United States, it is legal to make one copy of a music CD that you own to be used for your own personal use. You can not sell the copy or give it away. But, when you no longer own the physical CD that you copied, THE COPY IS ILLEGAL. (3) Grateful Dead Productions has made this policy very clear over and over - most recently when MaryE, the Dead.net admin, stated in this thread that [ copies made after selling the original CDs were ] "yes, downright illegal. If you no longer legally possess the physical media you have no right to the content" (4) Christopher R. Barry ( aka ChinaRider ) not only made copies to keep, sold the original CDs, and bragged about it, but he profited about $100 in the process of making the sale. (5) If Chris has already shipped the CDs to their new owner, one way to remedy this situation would be to destroy the illegal copies. (6) Each person can define karma in any way that they want. Each person cannot interpret the law in any way that they choose. Ed
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Further confusion from Dead Net. In an e-mail, it advised that payment would be credited to GWS, however, my credit card was debited to DEAD.NET STORE. One would expect a commercial undertaking to know who would be receiving the money and to advise correctly in relation to this.
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All those things some of you are saying is plain old rubbish!! Yes, it may be illegal to own a copy of som recorded work after one sold the actual work to someone else but it's been done like that since the first tape-recorders came on to the market some 50+ years ago!! I own several tapes with music taken from new or used records I have purchased over the years, and the sold the actual records to another record store for used items. At least I have bought the majority of the taped records myself instead of borrowing other peoples records and just ripping them of their music, but I do have tapes/minidiscs with borrowed records as well. And occational I enjoy making mix-CD-R's for friends as I made the same on tapes thirty years ago. It's fun and I find it satisfying when people come to me and say "Hey Micke, I really dug those songs with the Grateful Dead you put on the mix-CD-R. I didn't know they sounds that great. I think I will purchase som records by them, thanks to you". I do understand the illegal part of it but it's not like me och other people are making a living by sharing the music to others. Well, let those of you who havent shared recorded music, on tapes/minidiscs/CD-R's, or made a copy for yourself with certain songs or a whole album before selling the actual album, cast the first stones ... Micke
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It's good though finding so many law-abiding heads here. It's good to know none of you have ever smoked, ingested or otherwise taken illegal drugs! You should be looked upon with pride by your fellow citizens. Remember, it's all about karma ... you obey the law to it's last letter and everything will turn out just fine for 'ya when the times come. Micke
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Post man arrived with a box yesterday. Couldn't be the GD box set, that's already arrived. Opened it to find an 8 LP set of Hendrix live at the Winterland 1968. I didn't expect it for a while yet but now it's here it gives me something to break up the Dead concerts. Various forms of media have been talked about but no one has mentioned one reason to select one medium over any other. What can you roll up on a flash drive, USB card ? DVD,CD, and Blu-ray aren't much better. Only the 12" LP cover gives you a comfortable rolling position.
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You know there are a lot of us out here who through no fault of our own have still not received the big box and are working our way through trying to trace what went wrong (with the kind support of MaryE). It's great to read all the reviews here ..I'm glad so many folks are enjoying it and in some ways it helps make the wait easier and the anxiety levels lower. But hearing people crowing about having already received, ripped and sold the thing is really annoying. If your conscience lets you do that then fine, but please don't shout about it on here.
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Let me start with this disclaimer. I have not, will not, never planned on copying this release and selling it. Second I really think that a new topic should be opened up to fully discuss the issue of copyright along with related topics of pirated material and bootlegged material (they are not the same). The legal and moral issues along with real world issues are far more complex than Art should be for all v. you're a crook. A ways back on this thread I presented a point of view for discussion the following: As this is a limited release which by definition will not be made in numbers larger than already have been made, and like it or not copyright laws are about the owner of the copyright (usually not the same as artist) being recompensed I postulate that there is no harm (ie loss of money) in anyone making money from this set because of this fairly unique set of circumstances. Can I get some grown up ( lack of name calling) for this theoretical discussion? Just 1 more point to shake things up. Have you ever read someone else's newspaper or loaned a book to a friend. Peace
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I think we must all have some music of questionable provenance in our stash. In my case, some out of print LPs transcribed to CDR, and some GD bonus discs that I could not buy. The high majority of everyone I know pays for music and only steals when there is no other feasible alternative e.g. out of print etc. and only temporarily at that. Keeping copies post sale is stealing. Even my kids know that. If it's out of print, you buy it when it comes available and ditch the CDR. The Dead's vault is how they monetize their legacy, and to copy this set and then to sell it and crow about it on the net is totally out of line. That is the way of a freeloader, and bootleg profiteering has never been cool in our very special and unique fan community. I really hope Rhino lawyers contact China Rider and make him shit in his socks. Maybe then he will have more to crow about. And for everyone else, the next project or set could cost legitimate buyers who are respectful of copyright (that's you and me) a lot more as a result. File sharing did the music industry to death. That was bad for musicians, not just suits.
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Good idea. All you need to do is send a PM to MaryE asking her to open a new forum and maybe suggesting a few words for the intro. Based on past experience she would not refuse a reasonable request .
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I maybe the odd one out but I have no music that I haven't paid for. If I hear music that I don't own and I like the sound then I'll buy a copy. i don't know why but I like to pay for things I own. Some people are getting confused by borrowing items which you use but don't keep, such as a newspaper or book which I give back to the owner after I've finished it as against those who copy without paying for it. When I put my name down for a box it was intended for my use. Someone earlier mentioned they bought two boxes. To buy two boxes implies that they already intended to split one box up to sell for a handsome profit - beneath contempt.
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My box finally arrived. I
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So I guess that gives me the right to talk to chinarider. Sadly, that someone should buy this box, rip it and then sell it (at auction, thereby expecting the highest price anyone is willing to pay) comes as no great surprise to me. That someone should do that and then proudly post on here that he has done that is beyond comprehension. What possible reason could there be? If he was expecting people to praise his ingenuity then he is a truly sad creature. That most are disgusted by his behaviour is not surprising - except, seemingly, to him. He seemed genuinely surprised at people's adverse reactions, as if he had done the most normal thing in the world. I for one can say that such an action is well outside my norms. I hope that some sort of action can be taken to prevent this sort of thing happening in the future and I hope that Rhino, armed with his personal confession, can take action against chinarider to help him to learn how normal people behave. I can reassure Europe72 that he is not alone in paying for his music. Why should people expect something for nothing? Unfortunately, too many these days are expecting just that. Rant over.
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No actually I'm not confused. When you read a newspaper without buying it you get all the use you can out of it (besides wraping fish) without paying for it. When you read a book you borrow from a friend you get much of what you can with the exception of adding it to your library (some including me may read a book more than say twice but that is it). Because the nature of the medium is different-single use newspaper v. multi use music medium. Again I add the disclaimer that with the exception of tape trades I also buy all my music (as well books) and of course it would be at least immoral to buy a show tape

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Many good points made ~ on both sides of the issue ~ regarding chinarider and burn & sell. What bugged me about chinarider's post was that first he DISSED the set in sneering manner, and THEN sought a personal profit from the same set. Honestly, my conscience doesn't shout to me that it's ethically wrong (even if it's legally wrong) to pay the original artists their asking price for music, burn copies for yourself, then resell at a later date. What my conscience DOES call bullshit on is trash-talking the product to the producers' faces (on their own website), and then employing said "sub-par" product for personal gain. If you feel cheated by what you purchased, post in on eBuy at Buy It Now for $ 450.00 ~ no bidding ~ and get the offending object out of your life. For the price you paid (the money you wasted on it). Or ask $ 600.00 and give $ 150.00 to charity. Otherwise, your hands aren't clean. Particularly when so much love went into this product, though I understand you don't see that part.
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  • GreenBeing
    3 years 9 months ago
    Also Late To The Party

    I also wish to know if another printing of the All-Music edition is contemplated, or even flac downloads. I am with child to hear this music!

  • d3adf1sh
    4 years ago
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    RE:drdogg - You can actually get every one of the concerts off amazon as an MP3 downloads but who wants MP3's YUCK! Please powers that be, can we get a repress? or at the least a Hi-Res DL? hard to pay the 5 grand people are asking for these Euro72 boxes online. especially with all the talk of defective discs.
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    Achilles Thomas
    4 years 5 months ago
    Late to the party - again
    hi, that is true - rerelease them.