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greetings all deadheads..gay or straight..repup or dem..conservative or liberal..rich or poor..stoned or sober... or whatever nationality you may be..sound waves may be invisible to the naked eye,but not the minds eye..never forget what brought us all together in the first place(including the boys)..we all have a passion for music thats transcendal..music that messages our souls,and awakens the tao in all of us..which makes us all walking roses..remember family,we are not going to have the same views,i remember at rainbow gatherings we would pass the feather around and try to make sense of our differences..it was truely amazing how differences were resolved in conscience so peacefully...lol,ive never been the same since..my point is that,we have to respect our differences..i love showers..some people didnt..so what!..unfortunately i wont be in pa..but i hope all respects the venue and not recreate the chaos of deercreek..so mabey more shows will happen in the future..i have faith in all though,we will survive.through this world of trouble,we gotta love one another -JGB -moon

johnman thank you

i meant just thank you......forgot to delete "johnman".....so .......thank you

concept about 'reverse socialism". Your reading of my point is flawed or my writing wasn't clear. Your statement "One controlled by more government regulations or corporations becoming unelected civil servants who do what they think is in the best interest for society or what they consider stakeholders." couldn't be further from what my point was concerning what I perceive the corporations intent and practices are. They are NOT doing what they do for the "best interest for society or what they consider stakeholders". They are doing what is best for them. Whether is is line their pockets (see golden parachutes up the whazzu, do you really think that is for societal best interest or for the shareholders? Please!) pollute the environment, suppress inovation if it threatens their 'bottom line ie sales' or downright deception and predatory practices (see current lending practices that were deregulated). The point I was making about 'reverse socialism' is that they had usurped the intent of government to refocus on making a better enviroment for the corporations/businesses AT OUR EXPENSE. The deregulation of these businesses has been a boon for them and a bane for us. I won't go into all the services that are significantly more expensive and significantly worse product/service, but suffice it to say, it hasn't been in my best interest. But is has been in the businesses/corporation's best interest. My experience has been pay more and get much less service/product in return. There are a myriad of examples. I expect some level of protection, regulation, monitoring, and enforcement from a govenrment. But that doesn't happen when the government is controlled by the corporations/businesses. Instead they get carte blanche' and we get to pick up the pieces (and of course pay the tab).

Floppy2112: It was the same black panthers with Bobby Seals, Huey Newton, etc. They even had an AK-47 rifle on the play bill. Check it out for yourself. Shocking I realize but those were the times. Check it out on this website: http://www.dead.net/archives/1971/artwork/black-panther-benefit-poster

Well, I managed to score a ticket but it was at least 5 times the going price of "face Value" as it were... It'd better be a damn grate show that's all I can say.

You gotta do what you gotta do. Sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil. I have been following the scalping on Ebay. Not many people are bidding. I think if you are willing to risk it and wait, you might be able to buy tickets for very close to face value.

hey everyone,saw santana last night and wow! he is greater and adventureous as ever. he rocked the place for almost three hours. the upcoming show with the dead/allmans, as we call it here, is a dream combination. the music should make all of us forget the national scene for a space of time. music is a deserved break from lifes heavy situations. lets not take politics personal,but respect each ones view. whether we like it or not someone thinks my opinions are wrong,thats cool. lets vote and hope for the best. meanwhile how about an awesome mountain jam this oct 13th. its time we all rock while we can and keep politics in their proper place. peace to the world.

Has anyone heard anything else about Bobby's accident, and I hope the fundraiser they're talking about cancelling is not this show, HELP??? http://www.tmz.com/2008/10/01/dead-guy-grateful-to-be-breathing/

Terrapin tommy, I sure hope not, that TMZ page is riddled with false information. Claims the dead was "touring" it also says it was the dead tourbus not a ratdog bus or anything. I alo doubt they would cancel the event, unfortunatly just have a P&F show instead with mikey and bill. ::hopes TMZ sucks and Bobby gets well soon::

i may hafta draw my shades and shut the lights in fear of snipers.........but i think they should postpone and let bobby heal!! depending on the severity of the fractures, a freakin' lung can be punctured, not to mention other vital internal organs.......just an opinion. i'd rather be able to hear ol' bob in the future....he aint baby faced bobby anymore ya know!! now i gotta go put boards on my windows.

If you google Weir and Ribs, you get about 6 hits, but they're all based on the same TMZ website report. Some say a "recent fundraiser" was cancelled, some don't. Perhaps we can get an update from this site? Nothing on the Ratdog site either. What's up??? If true...Heal well, Bobby. Hang in there!

Can't vouch for the validity, but here's a link with some additional news.... http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrac ... w-goes-on/

Here's the complete link. Sorry about that. http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrack/briefly-bobby-will-survive-sho…

I had just bought tix 2 days ago on ebay (gotta do what you gotta do) and then was just sent word from a buddy of mine about this bit of news. This latest news link to from Glide mag (thanks for that aaron) appears to me that not only is the show still on but it did not mention that bobby is not playing?

the show that was canx was the al franken bennie they were on the way to when bob got hurt

yes, as noted, it is fraught with dubious-sounding stuff. There's nothing about this on the RatDog.org site that I can find. I'm looking for accurate info.

I live about 40 minutes from State College and know a bunch of people who have attended concerts at the Bryce Jordan Center in the past. They all said that there is absolutely no tailgating of any kind allowed in the Bryce Jordan parking lot. However, the nearby beaver stadium lot does allow tailgating and apparently gets pretty wild with local police primarily concerned with traffic and keeping the rowdiness from spilling out into the street. Don't tell me this town ain't got no heart, just gotta poke around

thanks for the resight duncan. He did come to our backyard right befor he left us. remember? it was wonderful.

Watch out for the headless horseman.............If you went to the cal expo shows .......

I have always preferred my Dead served without the politics. But since the die has been cast…… I was born (long ago…) in Chicago, the most crooked city, in the most crooked county (Cook), in the most crooked state (IL) in America. Having had the opportunity to observe the Chicago machine in action and the meteoric rise of Barack Obama, I offer you all the perfect Dead lyric to describe what I see; You know better, but I know him. Cheers.

aint from that area....but i aint blind either

From what I can tell, ol' Barack is pretty swift w/ words. He sure can get a crowd goin'. Once he starts talking, it's like everyone listening gets all pumped up - wanting to be a better citizen and take this country in the right direction. I hear people using the word "volunteer" for things like "community service" and the ilk. Even IF all he is is talk (which I don't believe is the case), how bad of a thing is it to motivate people to do right by your fellow man and to try and change things all around you and your community for the better. Offering $4000 to college kids in exchange for community service. Offering Health Care to those in need - while NOT mandating it for others (read the plan, it is not national, government enforced Health Care like Hillary's plan was - Obama's plan says that if you work and/or HAVE existing coverage - NOTHING will change)...how bad is this stuff??? A lot of people putting this guy down for having good ideas and good motivational skills. I just don't get the argument. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

it's what he's not tellin' us that i'm worried about.......only time will tell......and just so it's clear...i don't trust the republican candidate either.

it's what he's not tellin' us that i'm worried about.......only time will tell......and just so it's clear...i don't trust sen. mccain either.

You have every right to be nervous - it's a big change. He comes across as VERY different than the typical politician, in my opinion - and furthermore, IMO, I believe he IS different. He's answered EVERY question that's been brought up - DIRECTLY - that would have negative impact on this country. Every one. And if you don't think McCain (let ALONE Hillary!) has had people scouring every square inch of his life to find dirt, you're kiddin' yourself. What makes me laugh are those people that are still professing his ties to Muslim radicals. Can those folks POSSILBY SERIOUSLY believe that someone could make it THIS FAR into the electoral process and have that be true??!!! I mean, there's no way that people aren't CONSTANTLY on his phone records, past and present, etc. He's CONSTANTLY under surveillance by the media and by the other campaign. Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there. You sound like a pretty solid dude and (no offense) you look a little older than me (I'm 39 just to be fair!), so you've probably dealt with the experience of sleazy politicians longer than me. This man is different. I'll be in State College and I'll be casting my vote for Obama on the 4th...eventhough he probably doesn't even need it anymore in Pennsylvania, where he's currently holding OVER a 9 point lead....but I'll be proud to hit that lever in his favor. ~ Pappy "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

Did you know that: Barack Obama has multiple ties to those responsible for the present economic crisis?: Franklin Raines, the immediate past CEO of Fannie Mae who has collected a $90 million golden parachute while driving Fannie into the ground has advised Obama on housing issues. Jim Johnson, yet another former Fannie Mae CEO, resigned from Obamas vice presidential search team when it was revealed he had received a sweetheart home mortgage deal. Despite serving in the Senate for only four years, Obama himself has been the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac largesse in the entire Congress, ahead even of former presidential candidate John Kerry, who's spent two decades in the Senate? Obamas long-time political ally, radical group ACORN, played a key role in pressuring banks to offer loans to those who were unlikely to be able to pay them back. ACORN has taken credit for pressuring banks to accept undocumented income as a basis for offering loans, for offering loans without using credit scores, and for making 100% financed loans available to low-income people.” There is more, of course. Do voters know: That, in apparent defiance of federal election law, the Obama campaign refuses to identify individual donors who have provided almost half the funds for his campaign, including obvious fakes like Mr. Good Will and Mr. Doodad Pro? And that 11,500 donations to his campaign totaling almost $34 million may have come from overseas? Or that two Palestinians living in a Hamas-controlled refugee camp spent $31,300 in Obamas online store? Who are all these people, and why wont the Obama campaign obey the law and identify them? That Jeremiah Wright wasnt Obamas first radical mentor? As a young man in Hawaii, Obama had a quasi-filial relationship with radical Frank Marshall Davis an avowed member of the Communist Party of the USA. In fact, in his memoirs, Obama concedes that he attended socialist conferences and encountered Marxist literature. (Now imagine the outcry if a Republican presidential candidate had such ties to a Nazi). That the People’s Weekly World the official newspaper of the Communist Party of the USA has rhapsodized about Obamas presidential campaign, calling it a “transformative candidacy that would advance progressive politics for the long term”? (Think about how the press would react if a fascist newspaper heaped such praise on McCain.) That Obama has routinely tried to intimidate his critics into silence? His political organization spearheaded a massive campaign against a Chicago radio show that invited one of his critics to appear even after being asked (and refusing) to send a representative to balance the program, hosted by a non-partisan University of Chicago psychology professor. Worse, his campaign sought to chill free speech by establishing a truth squad of Missouri prosecutors and sheriffs, which threatened a vigorous response to any ad presenting information about Obama that they deemed to be inaccurate. And there are other examples. That even as America struggles to bail out our own struggling economy, Obama backs a global bailout? His Global Poverty Initiative would assess $2500 per taxpayer, according to Investors Business Daily, to fund a global war on poverty administered by the UN and its agencies. That despite touting his academic credentials as a rationale for initiating a campaign for president just two years after leaving the Illinois state legislature, Obama refuses to release either his college or his law school transcripts just as he sought to keep records of his working relationship with former terrorist Bill Ayers on The Annenberg Challenge (a left-wing educational foundation) safely under wraps? What is it that he doesn't want voters to know?” As a follow-up to the above, ask yourself what is Obama hiding. Below is a list compiled by a fellow blogger that goes by the name of GForce over at NewsBusters.org…. 1. Occidental College records — Not released 2. Columbia College records — Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper — ‘not available’ 4. Harvard College records — Not released 5. Selective Service Registration — Not released 6. Illinois State Senate schedule — ‘not available’ 7. Law practice client list — Not released 8. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released 9. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released 10. Harvard Law Review articles published — None 11. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None 12. His Record of baptism– Not released or ‘not available’ 13. His Illinois State Senate records–’not available’ What is Obama hiding from the American people? You can count on one thing - this is NOT the guy through whom you are going to get shown the light, no matter how right you look at it. [Democ]Rat in a drain ditch Caught on a limb You know better but I know him Like I told you What I said Steal your face right off you head...

pajak, obviously you have taken the time to investigate the matter, all i have to go by is a gut feeling. there are other issues that i'm not sure i'm willing to discuss here having to do with the bill of rights. now i know bush has pretty much shredded that document, but there are certain aspects of it that sen obama has stated many times in the past that he would change, you can guess which ones. unfortunately many of my fellow dead heads would tend to agree with him on these issues.......until it's too late....like i said, only time will tell. pappy thank you also for your input and i'll say again ...i dont have alot of faith in either side. while sen mccain has filled leadership positions while on active duty, i don't feel he is presidential material. this has been my monthly vent. i approve of listening to scarlet begonias and eating a cookie......right now!!

Looks like we are returning to the 1950's with the above post. What is next, a blacklist? Pajak, I call your bluff. You have been on this site for 2 weeks and 4 days and that whole time you have used this site to advance your political agenda, but you list nothing about yourself in your profile. What are you hiding? I know I am coming on harsh, but I have no time for red baiting bullshit. Because a person has met certain people does not make him one of them. The piece also ties him up with major capitalists. The logic is flawed. You are attacking him for being a corporate capitalist and a red in the same breath. Seems like your agenda is to attack and disrupt. You are posting someone else' words here instead of your own. Many of us here speak and think for ourselves, we don't need to blog someone else's stuff. Folks must be desperate and afraid that Obama is going to win to start posting such crap like the above which is full of innuendo. A simple dirty sleazy smear campaign. I am sure you would make Karl Rove proud. I am all for freedom of speech and political discussion but what you are doing is not discussion it is disruption. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

............for your perceptions. You rock, like those rock legends playing for Obama.

I wasn't sure if I should laugh or be offended by that New Yorker cover a few weeks ago; but, after reading pajaks comments and hearing the favorable response (by some) to the ridiculous attacks by sarah palin to Obama's ties to terrorists I have to say that cover was right on the mark. Unbelieveable...and sad.

My comment looks rather vague in print. Meant to say that the cover was right on in it's use of sarcasm.

It will be a 10 hour drive from South Carolina, but It will totally be worth it! I can't wait. We just got our tickets in the mail yesterday. Hope everyone has a good show! See ya there, StrangeRanger

After 8 years of all of the smoke and mirrors, shuck, awe and jive, fear mongering, wanton spending, repeat of Nixon, Reagan, Bush I covert, guns over butter, war on "insert here...communists, drugs, Panama, terror etc...", I can't think of a majority of people outside the top 8-10% who are much better after COLA adjustments, inflation, stagnation, tax rebates x 2, surging, splurging and unconstitutional debauchery that has taken place on Pennsylvania Avenue. If your retirement portfolio just lost 1/3 of it's value in days and your house is worth less than you bargained for you'd want change too. I am from Alaska and would have appreciated (I have not met residential requirements) my Permanent Dividend fund of $2000 per person as well as the $1200 per person energy rebate that McCain's Gal Palin dished for us needy and cold Alaskan's. (Think 500,000 residents x $3200.00 = $1,600,000,000 pumped into the AK economy this year). This amount will not always be as high (the energy relief was supposedly a one shot deal and permanent funds fluctuate year to year). I asked my future sister in-law if she felt so liberal would she be willing to put her money where mouth was and give back her greasy money to the State? She sort of switched the subject and that ended tonight's political debate. Also note, Pennsylvania will be one of those key states this year. You might not like the dead politics or lack there of, but you can't fault them for trying to make a difference. Maybe their $50 per ticket x 15,000 can help steal the face of the election like in Florida 2000? I was listening to some of my dead collection today and I said to myself, man I wish I could see/hear some of this stuff live again. Even if the political affiliation is pro or con, it's a mutual and beneficial transaction agreed to by all parties. Politics has not always been about what's right or wrong, but what good can be done for the majority of constituents, the politicos benefactors and how to convince as many of those people as possible that your ticket is the right one. Maybe we can leave Jerry out of this discussion and let the man rest in peace?

But you cannot post entire copyrighted articles here without the copyright holder's permission, and I don't think AP is giving any such permission. Hence, your post is unpublished; please feel free to post a link to the original article. Thanks.

Wow, maybe this is old news and maybe I'm just an old fart. I don't want to make sweeping generalizations or insult anyone, but the tone of posts about this show on this site is so much more reasonable, intellectual, and balanced. Man, that ratdog message board seems to be filled with angry, greedy, self-absorbed, and downright mean posts. Yes, we had some issues with ticketmaster, etc. But man, the posts on the other site come off as if everyone feels they're entitled to more than 2 tickets and that everyone is in this world just for themselves. I like it over here better. I posted there that I thought the 2 ticket limit was reasonable and that we're trying to share the vibe not hog the vibe. I was quickly called a dork and told to stfu. That's certainly not the deadhead spirit I've been experiencing in the last 25 years. What has happened? Am I alone? Am I missing something? Again, no offense meant here. I'm just shocked at the difference. I'm sticking to dead.net, where we can disagree without attacking each other. Quite an eye opener for me. Peace, aaron

You tell him Hal!!!!!!!!! Very very nice post, aaron. We do squabble here too, but are a whole lot more really kind people.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens

FIRST - Aaron...thank you. I spent a bit of time recently over on RatDog.org - many, many selfish 'know-it-alls' who can't distinguish opinion from fact. This vibe over here is WAY better... SECOND - Pajak....other than BLOGGERS, do you have any FACTUAL evidence of what you spout? If so, post the link....not to a BLOG, but to an actual fact-based website. I'll be holding my breath. Barack Obama - ties to terrorists???? It's LAUGHABLE.... In case you didn't see this wonderful clip from Keith O : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/olbermann-special-comment_n_13… Come off it, already. RDevil - don't believe every post you read. Blogging is what it is - a bunch of people who believe almost everything that comes into their 'inbox' and feel the need to comment on it, like it's fact. Obama's put out EVERYTHING he's been asked to put out. If there's ANYONE in this race hiding something, it's the young Governess of Alaska. Watch Olberman's video. ~ Pappy "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

Republicans hit an all-time low (with factual letter sent by RNC) :http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/30547939.html And WHO'S hangin' around with the bad guys??? TODAY??? Google Robert Asher. Oh well....enough of the mudslinging - there's a debate on tonight and I'm psyched to watch it. MORESO, however, I'm WAY psyched to get to Happy Valley!!!! ~ Pappy "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

my friend bought tickets off ebay from some one and they are saying that he found out that they are no good and that ticketmaster sold too many tickets to the show monday. wat is up with that? does anyone know wat is going on with the tickets and ticket master? Emily

Our favorite Band could have found with out a doubt many other causes for a benefit show. There are so MANY good ways to help People, organizations, and institutions who can better use the funds needed for humanity's sake. (Nature preservation, animal rights, the homeless , the poor, human rights, hurricane relief,Education, Breast Cancer, all types of Cancer, Organ Donation education, hunger,...too many more to mention) How many can you all think of? Politics isn't a good cause in my opinion. Dark Star Orchestra is doing the right thing, by humbly not leaning to the LEFT or the RIGHT sides of politics. I hope this will be a good lesson to be learned. just encourage folks to register and vote. See Previous post by Duncan65 you said it flawlessly! right on brother.

Anyway, has anyone heard if this show will be brodcast live?

There is nothing funnier to me than the fact that "Duncan65" is a "plant" from the McCain/Palin campaign. This is precisely how pathetic they are. They are actually trolling the official Grateful Dead website for smear opportunities. I would be laughnig my head off if I wasn't so sad that I'll miss this show. D'oh! | Wait until the veil is shredded, then reveal it |

dewahba - I agree that there are MANY causes out there. This one is as equally important, though - don't you think? We're talking about changing the direction of this country. The 2 candidates have VERY different ideas about which way we need to go. So, the boys feel this is the right one....I understand people will disagree, and that's their right. But this issue is important, I wouldn't diminish that fact. Also, DSO?!!! Really? No offense to those guys - they're wonderful musicians and do a great tribute to the GD...but they're a tribute band. Not that their opinion is worth less on a humanity-level, but jeeeeez....who cares what they think? If they came out in support of a candidate, it'd be like "oh lookie....a tribute band is supporting a candidate" and they'd pack a house of supporters about 1/2 the size of BJC. These 4 cats reuniting AND playing with ABB is a slightly bigger deal, IMO, than a touring tribute band. Just my .02. ~ Pappy "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

Four more days and we will be dancin in the streets and in the BJC in ole happy valley pa.!!!!!!!! Anybody know of any afterparties?!?

Anyone want to try and make our own after party at some bar or something? I went to Penn State, so I know the town inside and out, I'd be happy to help arrange and give suggestions if anyone else was interested in meeting up with others...

EmChild: Ticketmaster did not over sell the tickets. The problem is that many scalpers/ticket whores, are selling multiple copies of the same tickets. A similar thing got started 5 years ago with another band that use alot of PH's. You can print 100's of copies of an e-ticket. The first person who get to the gate will get in. Everyone else who has a copy will be shut out by the bar code scanner. What use to happen on the Ph-lot was that a 2 man team would make 10 or 20 copies of their tickets. Once the friend was inside made call to his partner, the other dude would cash or trade the bogus tickets. By the time the victim realized his tickets were bunk, the sellers would be in the show partying. DO NOT BUY E_TICKETS on the lot or from anywhere but ticketmaster. You are just gambling you cash and goodtimes.

Sorry for my grammatical errors. I was doing too many things at once.

...no worry bout the errors positively 4th..im impressed that a bulldog can even type...luckily my retriever mix cant do that or hed be ordering delivery 3 xs a day !!! ...i have a couple friends who cant make it..so i have 2 xtra..sec. 206 together...unfortunately these friends were also supposed to be driving..so n e 1 wanna carpool ?...i also booked 2 hotel rooms as well a mile from the venue...btw these are hard tix not the printer ones...i saw that b.s. happen here @ wrigley field many a time..shame on them !! !!! lets go !!!

...I wish they were using the name "Grateful Dead". Then I could use the joke: "Who is Obama and why is he following the Grateful Dead?" - ha! But alas, no dice. There the boys go again, ruining all my good material. On another note, my biggest hope is that the audience recording will circulate as quickly as the "Deadheads for Obama" recording. That was great that it made it around so quickly and in decent quality for audience recordings. Not to mention the outstanding closing of the Warfield shows. Heck, Phil even made the soundboard available for one of the nights. So, for those of you who, like me, won't be there, start scouring the net on 10/14 for audience recordings, heck, I will! And, if its cool with everyone else, I'll post a link here as a follow up. None of us should miss hearing this one, 'cause it just may be the last time, I don't know. | Wait until the veil is shredded, then reveal it |