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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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  • JimInMD
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    Love and Hate

    The latter is overrated, the former is precious. Life may be sweeter for this, I don't know...

    I do know one thing, we need less hate and more love. Be yourselves but don't get sucked towards the hate magnet. That's about as GD and I can write.

  • Mr. Ones
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    It’s A Thin Line…

    …Between Love And Hate, so sayeth the song of that title. I get burned out on bands repeatedly. That’s why I love having a super varied music collection. Burned out on A?? I think I’ll play B, G, or X. I’m seriously impressed at how much Dead some of you folks listen to, I just thrive on variety. So to each their own, that’s why they make chocolate AND vanilla!!

    I won’t disparage anyone’s tastes or bands they like/love. I don’t have time for that. And like DAVEROCK says, why do I have to put a label on it?? I play it, love it, and then play something else. The Dead happen to be one of my favorite bands, who I happen to own hundreds of releases by, But damn, I need so much more. Having said that, I am SUPER stoked for #43!!

    Music just happens to be the Best!!

  • Charlie3
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    It's ok to love things others don't, and it's ok to not like things others love. That's the benefit of being free to be you, you can dig what you want and disregard the rest.

    As far as dead burnout, if you listen long enough to anything it can get old and stale. Not to mention, there is a ton of great stuff out there that you will miss if you listen to nothing but dead. When I feel like listening to the dead, I dive in and groove, and when I don't, there are hundreds of other choices on the shelf. I do know from past experience, that just because a release doesn't really strike me as fantastic when it is announced, it doesn't mean I won't jones hard for it later if I pass on picking it up, so it's easier to just get nearly everything they release as I rarely have a case of buyers' remorse, but I have had to pay a premium to pick up stuff I passed on when it was first released.

  • Oroborous
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    it’s not hate vs love, it’s pure and simple burnout!
    I’ve been listening to too much Dead for over 45 years!
    Some things I used to love I now have to be in the mood for. It’s that simple.
    I won’t list the main culprits Randy cause I’m sure it will incite a shit wind we don’t want or need to blow!
    But, for instance, I’d probably be good if I never heard another me & my uncle again lol, but that doesn’t mean that on the right occasion it won’t get me grooving. So it’s not so much the song as it is I’ve just heard it too much (besides the Dead I used to play it in a band EVERY NIGHT, sometimes twice!, for many years).
    I’m with Daverock about Dark Star vs LL. Since DS is often more modal and or free form, thus not so repetitive etc, versus LL is basically a blues pattern that they improvise over, it’s just naturally more repetitive. And I love Pig, but his shtick too can be very repetitive and thus get old. Plus I’m not 16 anymore so it doesn’t resonate quite as much. Like it was mind blowing the first times on my teenage peanut brain, but now…
    Thus, to me, after all these years, it can sometimes get very tedious listening to something that long and repetitive.
    To be clear, this does not mean I don’t like it, I’m just burned out on it, big difference.
    And like any song, “Sometimes you get shown the light…”
    I only bring this up because I feel like there’s a good contingent out there that feels the same, or not?
    And I think sometimes here, like the rest of the world, things just get to damn binary.
    I mean we’re all supposed to be DHs on the same team loving the same band. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions etc, it’s just sometimes the tone used is a bummer.
    I liked how Doc gave his strong opinion, but without insulting anyone. It can be done.
    But, as stated, that’s just what moi thinks, so probably meaningless lol.
    Be Kind! Ain’t no time to hate.

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    Hate's too strong a word

    I certainly don't hate Pigpen, but I don't think everything he did was wonderful. Lovelight would have been great to me without the raps. Longer than 15 minutes and it over stayed it's welcome for me . Hard To Handle, on the other hand, was invariably great - all groove and no nonsense.

  • billy the kiddd
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    Anniversary show 7/14/84 / Doc. Fillmore West box

    38 years ago today I was at the Greek Theatre to see the Dead. I don't remember much about the show because 7/13/84 was what 1984 was all about. Doc, that Fillmore West box sounds fantastic, I believe your right, next year is the year it happens.

  • Forensicdoceleven
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    A mighty flame followeth a tiny spark......

    Hey rockers,

    I am a major deadhead. Saw shows in the 1981-1983 era. That was then, this is now. The new box does NOTHING for me. So what does that make me? LOL! If others like it, great!

    Me, I'm saving my $$$ for next years Banana Box Box Set: Fillmore West February 1970 complete.

    Do I have 1968-1972 blinders on? You bet. No apologies, no explanations........

    And for all you Pigpen/Lovelight haters out there, remember this: No Pigpen, no Grateful Dead.

    Rock on,

    Doc
    Bee to the blossom, moth to the flame; Each to his passion; what's in a name?

  • daverock
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    Why bother?

    Why bother considering yourself a Deadhead in the first place? Labels are for jerks. As has been said-music is the best - not all the crap that goes with it.

  • proudfoot
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    If this new box doesn't do it for you,

    then why bother considering yourself a Deadhead

  • Mr. Ones
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    Sounds like an oxymoron to me, but who cares!! It’s primal 1969, JUST before 1970, which we ALL(well, almost all) have been clamoring for!! I simply CANNOT WAIT to unwrap this and push play!!

    Thanks Dave, Music is the Best!!

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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for Oro. Maybe already mentioned under the solo smooth background category.
George Winston - my personal favorite is his Linus & Lucy, The Music of Vince Guaraldi (a S.F. guy) who we all probably know subconsciously as he wrote Charlie Brown TV specials music.
- also his Forest release.
- any duet with Gary Burton (vibes) and Chick Corea.
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I have been listening to this podcast from it's first season. Currently it is covering the Europe 72 tour, show by show, venue by venue, days off adventures, with marvelous interviews with those of the 42 person entourage who were literally 'on the bus'. Wonderful stories abound, including great backstories of the new songs that made it to the official Europe 72 LP. Today I heard a great breakdown of all the characters referred to in Ramble on Rose, and the history of Morning Dew.

This podcast is making me consider going through the trunk again, this time just enjoying all the long jams.

PS Really enjoy all the discussion of Jazz masters. McCoy Tyner is one of my faves-seen him several times at Yoshies in Oakland. He used to play two week stands there right around my birthday. I would have a small birthday gathering of friends there, eating sushi, then we'd all go see the show. One time my friend passed him a note, and McCoy announced my name and it was my birthday! Sweet memories!

Someone on this forum mentioned Charles Mingus at Carnegie Hall a few months ago. I picked it up, nice mellow jazz, with a great pianist, Don Pullen. I really enjoy this and now I'm considering some of the other recommendations from you jazzy folk! Thanks for the great conversation.

Try The Giovanni Guidi Trio for some fine Italian piano based jazz. The City of Broken Dreams and This is the Day are well worth listening to...enjoying all the jazz talk!

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....be right back. Gotta listen to more of this guy. Has he been mentioned here before? If not, that's a damn shame.
Piano players you say? That Page McConnell guy from that band from Vermont is pretty good. ✌️

It occurred to me last night just how many new songs they played on this tour - and how few off "American Beauty", which was their last studio album at the time. Strange in a way, considering how good it is. Only "Truckin" and "Sugar Magnolia" were regulars-with just the one performance of "Brokedown Palace" as an encore for one show ( I think). Just goes to show how prolific they were at that time, I guess.

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Hey VGUY72. I heard them on JamOn on Sirius and downloaded a couple of shows off Nugs. They are an awesome band. Jam band for sure. My favorite so far is 4-9-21. Take a listen. I've wanted to see them but I really curtailed my concert going since covid.

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archive (.) org/details/goose2022-06-25.matrix.stearns.flac16

Goose was just brought to my attention 2 days ago, although I haven’t actually listened yet. Was going to check for video on utoob.

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Another band you guys need to check out is Umphrey's Mcgee. They are a little heavier than Goose but in my opinion the best band there is today. I've seen them about 25 times before covid, mostly on the rail, and for sure the best times I've had since seeing the Dead in the late 70's early 80's. You really need to check them out live to get the full effect but download a show or two. 10-20-17 from the Capitol in Port Chester is one I would recommend. I saw a private show in Garcia's bar next door right before this show. They played right under a picture of Jerry. A great night!!!

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11 28 80 and 11 30 80 have been released. Would 11 29 80 be released? Too close to the others? Not in the vault? No decent-enough copy?

Dave....let me take you out for a drink or 40 so I can take advantage of you....r knowledge of what's in the vault.

I'm sure Marye has a Deadphone connection straight to Dave; please tell him about my offer, Marye.

TIME IS EVAPORATING HERE, PEOPLE. LET'S GO!!!!

So we're maybe 17, possibly 18, and we head into NYC to catch The Thad Jones-Mel Lewis Big Band at the Vanguard, which is barely big enough for the band and triangle-shaped room of the classic tiny bar tables. T-shirts, jeans, long hair, natch. Maybe three or four of us. My buddy's dad had drummed for the Newark-based Savoy label and turned us on to real music beyond rock 'n roll. So we were on a mission.

We catch the first set and blow our money on several drinks apiece. Second set starts, waiter stops by, 'What'll you have?' 'Oh, nothing, we're good.' (We're now broke except train fare home.) 'I'm sorry boys, there's a one-drink minimum required.' 'We bought several in the first set, doesn't that count?' 'No. No it doesn't.' Maitre de comes over. 'Gentlemen, you'll have to buy a drink or leave.' A light goes on in my head.

'May we have a word in the kitchen?' I say... 'Sure,' says the maitre de, uncertain of my motives. So we go into the tiny kitchen, a cook is looking on, and I said, 'We'd like to stay for the second set, would this help?' And I pull out a fat bindle of blow and dump some on the steel steam table. (The maitre de's eyes are getting wider...) Then I pull out a bag of killer Columbian and place a few buds on the table. The maitre de smiles. 'Feel free to order whatever you like, it's on the house,' my new best friend says. Ah, New York City in 1975! Where there's a will there's a way... even for veritable kids on the loose.

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Hot Damn!

You people.

The outpouring of feedback and offerings of various artists in the pie-aner jazz genre is outstanding!
I have two pages of notes I've taken down to document the various artists/groups/albums to sift through. I've already been jumping in. Downright amazing.

We've said it before - I'll shout it once more - nothing tops this group in terms of on-the-spot musical offerings.
The swath of knowledge touches all corners and shades and it is so incredibly appreciated.

Enlightened,
Sixtus

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Heard through the grapevine that during Deadco webcast the President of rhino said new box will be a multi year box and announced in mid July. Also meet up at movies returning. I’m guessing Foxboro 87, 89 & 90. Any thoughts?

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Mid-July. Hmm... right before we realize how much we spent on the end of July deliveries and before we have them in hand so we'll be jonesing. Brilliant! As to a multi year guess, uh OK, I truly have no clue. But does multi year imply one venue as we have seen before?
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Trying not to get carried away, catching up. HF: fine stories from back in the day. In central Maine through mid 70s, our code name was CKR, for Columbian Killer Reefer, a huge step up from Mexican weed and standard grade Columbo. My how things have changed, local farmers gearing up, October 1st, retail sales begin in Vermont. Maine is way ahead of any other NE state in terms of retail, quality and value.

Forgot to mention Roosevelt Sykes for blues/barrelhouse piano. Saw Gary Burton and band play at a college chapel around 1971, outstanding. My second fave vibe after Hutcherson.

JJ Cale, indeed. A while back here, tagged a nicely done cover of Cale's "Same Old Blues Again" by the Terrapin Family Band with Neal Casal on location at TS, with that sweet Tulsa chug. Video can be found on the tube. Story goes, Cale was "discovered" after Clapton picked off "After Midnight" some fifty years ago. JJ's original remains the best, imho. He released several albums in the 70s that are well worth checking out.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, the 60s box must be about to be announced, fingers crossed there's several versions of Viola Lee Blues therein.

Ha.. too funny. I'll have to try that the next time I'm in NYC.

Word on the street is Sixtus is selling off his GD Box sets so he can pay for all the Blue Note box sets he just ordered. P.S. goes without saying, but don't breath a word of this to Mrs. Sixtus.

One of the next two Dave's Picks has got to be from 68 or 69. Just sayin'. Dave, hockey season is over, get cracking..

I also have it on good authority that a flock of Russian man-eating starlings has escaped, they are heading South and are expected to make it as far as Vancouver by the weekend. Much like fish are attracted to flash lures, these mutant starlings are attracted to jittery, tall, distracted people with a remote controls. I suggest filming the next reveal before the weekend.

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then my wallet will stay in my pocket

Unless it's Eugene...

Just sayin
No hate

Just that I personally have very little ongoing active interest in that era of GD

I have tried.

Mid July, huh?

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Cal Expo '89 - '90: The Complete Recordings

August 4-6, 1989
June 8-10, 1990

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I don't think the MUATM will be foxboro 89, they used that show already for a MUATM. And a great show by the way.

Alright, multi year box, cue Alpine Valley 87-89

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Chances are (nice song) if it is multi year, it’s going to cover different eras. That way they can have a mix of reels and cassettes/dats etc. I’m not sure they’d go full cassette/dat for a box yet as they still have many reels and then there’s the whole ABCD situation?
But if I’m correct about the above, there are just too many venues etc to try and guess, though my Great Dane Bix would fit the bill!
2/15/73
10/25/73
2/4/79
12/3/81
6/24/83

All good shows, just depends on tapes?

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Maybe the Lyceum vinyl box, momentous as it is, has cast a bit of a shadow over the next one of the year. For better or worse. Whatever is released next has that as company - and it may influence which year(s)are chosen. Or it may not.

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So I just dug through YouTube and Mark Pinkus guests on the Live Set II Preview from Wrigley Field 6/25/2022. Box will be announced mid-July and will be a multi year box. Same info I caught.

MUAM is a show they previously didn’t know existed.

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I'm so happy to hear that news is imminent on the box set front(and Dave's 43 also!!) Getting ready for fantastic discussions to come.

This is only relevant to anyone who had to wait a long time to receive a package(surely that's NEVER happened to anyone here) :)

Had a package shipped from TN, which is only 3 states away. It has travelled thus far, with 22 scans:

SE Tenn->NE Tenn->Central MD(where I live)->NE NJ->Wash D.C.->......

All of this has already taken the better part of 2 weeks. WHY??????

It's a good thing that Music is the Best!! Patience and understanding is the hardest part.

so far have tried first two discs of 3/20/92

meh

literally dozed off during Dark Star

92 aint their best year, true...

A while later...

I turned off 3/20/92 during Standing OTM. I guess you had to be there.

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7/29/88 is on Dave’s “list” of possibles that he’s been hitting hard and steady since he become the guy.
The China-Fingers-Rider is cool, but I think I recall the transitions weren’t spectacular, BUT, BUT, that PITB was pretty effin cool, sort old school psychedelic!

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Want 68, 69,70. Probably get 89, 90 ,91

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I don't text. What is MUATM or MUAM?
"previously didn't know existed" is intriguing.
The complete Cal Expo '89-'90 sounds good Nolan.
Can I afford 18 discs? No but WTF ( I know that one).
Cheers

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Meet up at the movies

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yes
on disc three
3/20/92 is all a distant memory now...there, there Proudfoot...

movie/film only recently discovered?

something from the 60s...please...or 11/8/70

I'll put $5 on it being 5/24/70

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MUAM = Meet Up At Movies
MAMU= Me And My Uncle
MUATM=Meet Up At The Movies
BIODTL=Beat It On Down The Line

I’m assuming Mark Pinkus meant a show they didn’t realize they had on video.

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meet up with me and my uncle at the movies

Listening to 11/2/85
Some 85 (Summer 85 box!!!)
I loves me some GD85

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11/24/78
Box Set '22, 5 shows from the Spectrum, Philadelphia, Pa.

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Warfield October 1980.

The video was mixed in with audio reels of the Fall 80 tour that they thought had been recorded over but actually weren’t.

Don’t get too excited, I made that up.

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Excellent video on Paul Motian in NYC, at the end of his career, with undertone of valiant struggle with cancer that would take him out. One of the great contemporary jazz drummers, unique in many ways. Insights into a performing artist, great clips with brief appearances by Chick Corea, Bill Frisell and many others, locations include Village Vanguard and Birdland. It can be streamed by some services. Opening the door for further explorations with favorite jazz drummers, such as Jack DeJohnette, Antonio Sanchez, Bill Bruford, Brian Blade, Jeff Watts

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Hmm. Maybe youz prankin'.

Upon further research, Wissinoming appears to be part of greater Philadelphia.

11 24 78...that would be cool.

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Shakedown goat?
(watch, this will bring HF outta the woodwork ; )

....there is a very good copy of video from a tasty portion of this show on yootooob; it's black and white if I recall (Nay! it's in color, I just checked) but crispy picture and sound. Pretty sure it includes the entire second set and the heavy Estimated > Shakedown from this show, which was a highlight for me despite Jer having a bit of laryngitis.

I will check out the aforementioned Bakedown GOAT from today in '85.

Be Well People.
Sixtus

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Saw a photo posted of the Cup in it's shipping case at the wrong house.
Hmm.. That Mike and Oro in a brilliant plan to seize it?
Mike finished the engraving then surreptitiously FedEx to Oro's.
But seriously, why would it go to the house next door to one of the player's house
and not straight to safekeeping for the parade today?
Helluva punch bowl for the party though.
Cheers

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