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Folks, old and new, few things gladden an old mod's heart like the way you stood up for this place in past weeks.

We can pretty much count on the fact that every time there's a new release, a Dead tour or show announcement, or some Dead-related media hoopla, we're going to be swamped. Some newcomers will be long-lost Heads dying to connect. Some will be new Heads longing to connect. This, of course, is highly desirable. Welcome.

Others, as we have seen, come mainly to vent or spew venom, and having done so usually move on. I am most gratified with the way the community members, old and new, came forth to squelch this in our most recent episode (and for those just joining us and filled with morbid curiosity, I refer you to the Dead To Tour In Spring topic around the time of the presale).

Others, frankly, will be porn spammers, malware perpetrators, and other cancers on the Internet. We have had the occasional instance of a porn spammer getting through and posting in the f

swamped!....understatement?

there are always going to be differing opinions but i'm hoping that most of the complaints were due to frustration and not downright hatred.....thanks marye for the kind words...i for one will try harder to understand that a knucklehead is sometimes just that...thoughtless fools that have forgotten the music!!!

I'm with you johnman

I commented once during the height of the trash talk that it seemed like we were seeing infiltration of Ratdog.org posts, where things are often not kind at all. I like it better here...

Seems Like

Seems like there have been some folks out there who just don't get it. It's Ok to express your opinion but the line seems to be where you verbally blow somebody away just because you didn't agree with what they had to say. We all know that ain't cool. It's nice to have this space and it seems to be really in the spirit of Jerry and the Grateful Dead collectively. I think it certainly comes across in 99% of the posts and I hope it stays that way. Occasionally some will step over that ephemeral line. Let us try to forgive them and remember that we're all human. If it happens again and again then relegate them to the moderator's que till they get it. Mean people suck. Always have, always will. As far as people inserting porn or malware on this site, What the F**k? Don't they a choice of a billion other sites to spew that crap. I'd like to believe that, on the net, "This is where I'm gonna make my happy home! Happy home!"

Yep

The posts on Ratdog.org are usually brutal mainly towards the band and Bobby himself and it doesn't seem like it's just some jerk trying to get under people's skin, they really mean what they say. Is it frustration that Ratdog doesn't sound exactly like the Grateful Dead?? Uh yeah I thought that was kind of the point?? Experimentation, going down different musical avenues, that's what it is all about! "Everybody's braggin' and drinking that wine, I can tell the queen of diamonds by the way she shines. Come to daddy on an inside straight, well I've got no chance of losing this time"

back when we were first launching this

It was very clear going in that this was coming into being in a world where there were already dozens and dozens of online spots to talk about the Dead, including of course DNC, Ratdog.org, Phillesh.net but also lots of blogs and boards. And not just in the U.S. And they all had their own culture, even when the populations overlapped. Hence the best metaphor I could come up with at the time was that this is sort of the crossroads where all the different communities intersect and folks with a lot of different cultural expectations hang out. And, like I've said before, we've got folks who weren't born when Jerry passed, and we've probably got folks who were at the Acid Tests. We've got folks from a lot of different corners of the world, an incredible range of talents and experiences. It's a rich place and getting richer, I think, and long may it run. As two wise doofuses once put it, "Be excellent to each other," and if we stick to that plan I think we'll be fine.

Hear, hear

to those who work to make this a better space. Which of course is and was the point all along! Right? And thanks to you all who make this your mission, here on this site and in your life 'off-site". Take care The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.

You who are on the road must have a code that you can live by

On this Golden Road it has been respect for others at this site. Thank you Mary for keeping this a positive place as well as my fellow heads pkpotter, Oroboros, Tigerlilly and many others. This has been a safe place to hang out and if the going gets weird it seems to come back to that safe place after some strange detours. Right On! If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

I'm Old time Deadhead

I'm old time deadHead, And I'm sorry but if people have a different opinion they usually get jumped on and thats to bad. I did voice a disappointment in the way the tickets were handled this time and was slammed on it. I will always follow the dead and will voice an opinion. I can do this without being vulger. I thought ticket master did a terrible job this time, sorry it was my opinion. I look forward to the show I was able to get tickets for, however could not obtain the other shows that I wanted to attend and that was the fault of how it was setup. Oh well at least i got a ticket for one show and will have to be happy for that. Like I said I'm looking forward to that show. Sorry if this offends anyone , it is not my intenetion.

hey culliganman...

you might want to head over to the Channel 666 topic where Ticketmaster's latest misadventure is being discussed with gusto. Let's just say you're not alone.

and to clarify

since the last time I said this is buried thousands of posts back in the tour topic: Dissent is fine. Criticism is fine. Abuse and personal attacks, not so much. In short, you are quite welcome to express your opinion as long as you don't attack or demonize other folks while doing so. Just in case that wasn't clear. I doubt any two of us are in perfect agreement on anything.

sure we are marye

we can all agree to disagree.....i think........yeah, that's right

Hey I think that there can be more than one truth, on many

issues, but for someone to continually tell me I am full of beans (or some other brown material) is treading on that personal toxicity that is not helpful. Like Johnman said, "agree to disagree" BUT without being so disagreeable, or venomous towards the other person. It is unnecessary to participate in personal verbal attack or abuse. Dispute the facts, hooray! Express the opposite perspective, go for it! Make a case using differing information or educate me on my misinformation or grant me opportunity to hear your expertise, welcome discord, indeed! The only way I learn is if I open my mind and shut my mouth long enough to gain what others can offer. BUT, I rarely learn from someone attempting to bludgeon me with insults or chastise me or treat me in a condesending manner. Healthy debate and a variety of perspectives are welcome, in fact needed! (in my humble opinion). But if you truly want others to listen, if what you say is so significant/pressing/vital, then take the time, make the effort, hone the rhetoric to actually make the argument. Not to take potshots, nor to incite, or to lower the dialogue to a mud-wreslting event. Hey, remember Monty Python's "Is this where I go for an argument ?" "No, that is 2 doors down the hall!", "No, it isn't", "Yes, it is", "No it isn't", "Hey this isn't an argument, it is just contradiction!" (pregnant pause) "No it isn't" "Yes it is" "No it isn't" My 2 cents. ;o} The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.

kudos

to Marye on the Bill & Ted reference.Oh, and on the other stuff too; yeah yeah, hear hear

Well Maybe

OK - Warning! ranting venom spewer, read at your own risk! This is really funny for me - I guess. What I mean is deadheads saying you can't say what you want, well anything negative - even slightly negative. I cant see where a deadhead posts here and can be "slammed" by other heads? We are call pretty much words on a screen here, no face, body or emmotion that maybe is real. Can you tell exactly who it is that wrote the words that made you angry enough to drop to the same level your talking (writing) about. I run into stuff like this all over rock&roll related sites (gossip, trades, boot reviews) Without going into a real stupid psychological trip here IMHO - web sites contain wierd ego! Wups - I said it. We are words on a screen here. Words written here have can have very little emmotion, even though the writer just might be cool? Can anyone really lay another human out like this with any accuracy from what is considered negative (or whatever)? I have gained from constructive critisism in all kinds of ways. I cruise through this forum enough to have not seen any hard core ranting. I'm sure it rolls through on occasion -but- it has been made out to kind of sound like skin heads (or the like) post here - no one here but us deadheads? It would get REAL interesting if haters swooped on this forum (IMHO). Please excuse this but you were warned! With that said I gotta say that I see some dorky shit wrapped into this spring tour. A Loose Lucy Lounge - with what cigars & dancing girls to go with your COOL place to chill (& buy booze) They should serve raisin sandwich's as well. Yowsa - I hope to walk out of the gorge cleansed, and if I can help it - eveyone else(including the band) will too. Let's get down to it - I miss you all & can't wait. Your friend and fellow deadhead...........Kevin Whew - I'm not saying that anyone should change a thing here - I am glad that this forum exists and that the boys have 22 shows lined up in 2009. I havent felt this way since 1995. IMHO - Fuck it! I

Didn't even know this was here, till now!

I want to personally thank the people that have been here along time to keep this site KIND! You know who you are, (dude I remember when it was the old planets and stars thing back in the day when dead.net was ALOT leaner), and the way you stuck up for, not only the Boyz, but other people that were getting bombarded by negativity. I think the worst was the first time tickets went on "presale" and alot of us didn't know exactly what was going on. The second "presale" went on so much better, because the "scalpers" and wannabe's didn't check back to this wonderful site after the first announcements. I've said it once (well probably more than that) and I'll say it again, "I knew that the Boyz and the "other ones" behind the scene, were anticipating this all...and have known all along that this would have happened." Also, the knew "clues" flash right when you log on looks eerily like the original dead.net on some pyramids! And I wonder how many of you ever logged onto and chatted on wemissjerry.org (back in the dayz, was that 93-98???) and where did all those kind people go? Love, Peace, and ENJOYA the shows! Scotty (Canyon Critter) ____________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!

burnout

If you read the first 100-1000 posts on the topic "The Dead to Tour in Spring!" you will see exactly what we were all talking about, there wasn't just negativity, there was outright attacking, there is nothing better than constructive "negativity" or "opinions"....that's how we all grow. I do like what you wrote and agree with you on a lot of what you said about the net. If I remember, someone even attacked someone else's parenting skills. The venom that spewed out during the original presale was the most toxic I've ever seen on dead.net (rivaled the Discovery Channel's most venomous snake episodes....the Inland Taipan aka Fierce Snake is the most toxic .) Just voicin my opinion...and yes I always agree with the saying fuck it! ~peace~ ____________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!

Indeed C.C.

Even lost my temper once (blush) after "moron" was written on too many times. But was not necessarily the "most" venimous episode here,, just right up there. Bout a year ago or so ago was a nasty escapade, and one "porn spammer" shocked me personally-was very very foul suprise! But nevertheless, good will and kind spirits have won out in the end, each and every time! Also thanks to our wise and vigilant mod(s) Thank goodness! ********************************** It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

I love you all, and peace to

I love you all, and peace to all the people and aliens of this world!!!!Just remember the Human race is just a work in progress and not near perfect, except maybe my Mother!!!

won't you lay it way back?

Everybody has something different to say. I guess an unregulated forum is what the internet has become. So, we have moderators to keep the discussions civil and the potty mouths and evil-doers out. It would be a better planet if we all could just express ourselves within certain boundries, but ego is the nature of the beast. It's like the bumpersticker says: "I tried to contain myself but I escaped". Always hit the preview button and correct your grammar, punctuation and typos and reflect whether or not what you wrote is something you wish to be defined by. This site doesn't represent all deadheads, just the ones on this site who choose to write in the forums.

VERY well said

Lamagonzo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EXCELLENT.********************************** It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

Thanks Lilly

:~}

am i being blocked

from posting in the forums now?...this is a test

uh

no...

caynon critter & lamagonzo

Yeah, you can definatley see the vibes going off the wall in a few of the comments on 'the dead to tour in spring' topic. I do alot of reading on the topics just to get site of others opinions.. Sorry, not the greatest speller though.peace- Moye

yeah....

Yeah there was some bickering going on, but Deadheads or not, People are'nt always going to agree--Yesterday is history,Tomorrow is a mystery,And today is a gift-That's why it's called"The present."-------Kung Foo Panda

twin

Never heard this one. Father of twin,almost 15, it is one to remember.

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spamanoodle

NOT spamalicious

Odd

One of the stranges spams yet! True Religion jeans-for those who wanna wear their faith on their ass, or what? ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde

gone now

yes, the brand does exist, though I haven't seen much hype for it lately. I don't exactly hang with the Hollywood crowd though.

Bye Bye Spamhead..

Thank You marye!!

Hannity

Isn't it kind of weird for Sean Hanity to be using the Dead's music for his program? I don't feel a lot of political affinity there!

well

since I never go near the dude's show, I dunno. What's he playing, Friend of the Devil?

Could be

that he's just another Conservative who's a closet Deadhead. If so, he's hardly the only one. Hell, there's one who periodically trolls around here as Dew Lover. In any event, I am intrigued by what he played and in what context. Care to clue us in, LL? Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.

yeah

there are Deadheads all over the political spectrum, but as one who pretty much avoids the genre, I'm missing whatever Sean is blasting forth from his speakers, so tell all!

random thoughts

I have been on other Grateful Dead and Furthur forums and there is quite alot of liberal/hippie bashing going on (too much politics for me, so i left!) I didn't think I would find alot of hardcore, extremist right wingers on a Grateful Dead forum or who would be fans of the band. Also, conservatives being fans of Bob Dylan?? I didn't think that was possible either. Are they listening to the words? I guess fans are really all over the political spectrum, I just find it odd that hardcore conservatives can get into the Grateful Dead vibe.

generally speaking

we do not hold with bashing here.

yes!

great! I knew I loved it here for a reason :)

All politicians

are inherently wicked, greedy and self serving.....conservative or liberal, it makes no difference..

Human nature

Johnman, at least if you believe the Boss: Poor man wanna be rich Rich man wanna be king And a king ain't satisfied Till he rules everything... I have a hard time separating out my own learned-from-experience skepticism (bordering on cynicism, sure) from my inherent idealism when I start really thinking hard about government and the type of people who tend to gravitate to the political realm. On a local level, I've known some honest, fair, hardworking servants of the people. That this particular type doesn't seem to translate well further up the political food chain (can't get elected, or get elected and become compromised by the process) is just sad.

yes

I definitely agree with you on that Johnman!! they're all crooked

I have known a handful of exceptions...

but they certainly face an uphill battle. In a toxic waste dump.

I Know...

... I'm mixing topics again but I just can't help myself based on the current discussion. For folks who don't know who this guy is by sight, I apologize in advance but he is the last hope of the Western World (in a comic relief sense). My newest hero; Ron Swanson for President in 2012!

This is a screen shot from the NBC sit-com "Parks and Recreation" season 3; episode 4 which was hands down the funniest I've seen so far. See y'all in Philly @ The Mann CNTR! Looks like I'm going alone on this trip as I can't convince anyone to go with me. There is someone I'd love to take but that would be a dream come true... Maybe my prayers will be answered - we'll see!

haha

Parks and Rec is hilarious, love that show! I'll see ya in Philly, I didn't have anyone to take either seeing as my friends are currently listening to Lady Gaga type pop bands at the moment. ( crap music! in my opinion.. cough cough). Sooo I'm taking my Mom who was conviced she was too old to go to concerts but we're gonna have a blast!

Go away Mr. Armandburkst..

you are far too spameyed for here....

soundboards await.

You get my private message with musical goodies, johnman?And no i'm not spameyed!! maybe a little wide-eyed but that's another story....!!!! How was the show mountaingirl28? i hope your mom wasn't too wild!! It's always the quiet ones you need to watch.....!!!

armand the spammer is so gone

and yet, one sheds a tear for a spammer who knows all the verses to Amazing Grace...or pretends to.

haha

The show is not until next Sat, the 23rd Jonapi but I'm sure my Mom will get pretty wild... bringing out all her finest dance moves haha

More closet conservatives who are deadheads...

Why doesn't it surprise me at all that hippies, tree-huggers, etc, are being blasted on other Dead and Furthur sites? On this site there is a fair proportion of flag-wavers (not THAT flag) and war lovers and gun nuts. Deadheads are ALL over the spectrum. This site isn't a community of dead-lovers, it's mostly a lot of "holier-than-thou" Deadheads with opinions and snobbery attached to a commerciat site managed by Rhino. Maybe Hannity knows what all good marketers know -- you can manipulate people really well with feel-good nostalgia. (Aw c'mon, deep down inside in places you don't like to admit being you NEED the $450 music only edition of E72) ~ I went down to the Chelsea drugstore To get your prescription filled I was standing in line with Mr. Jimmy And man, did he look pretty ill We decided that we would have a soda My favorite flavor, cherry red I sung my song to Mr. Jimmy Yeah, and he said one word to me, and that was "dead" ~

spammers nuked

back to your regular dangers.

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February 3, 2009 - 8:19am

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marye

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Folks, old and new, few things gladden an old mod's heart like the way you stood up for this place in past weeks.
We can pretty much count on the fact that every time there's a new release, a Dead tour or show announcement, or some Dead-related media hoopla, we're going to be swamped. Some newcomers will be long-lost Heads dying to connect. Some will be new Heads longing to connect. This, of course, is highly desirable. Welcome.
Others, as we have seen, come mainly to vent or spew venom, and having done so usually move on. I am most gratified with the way the community members, old and new, came forth to squelch this in our most recent episode (and for those just joining us and filled with morbid curiosity, I refer you to the Dead To Tour In Spring topic around the time of the presale).
Others, frankly, will be porn spammers, malware perpetrators, and other cancers on the Internet. We have had the occasional instance of a porn spammer getting through and posting in the f

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August 8, 2011 - 1:59pm

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johnman

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I've been having the same problem

and I have sent marye a message r.e......it's been reported
August 8, 2011 - 1:35pm

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gypsy soul

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pm problems

is there a problem with the personal messaging portion of this site. i can't seem to get one through. i know i've been a bit of a stranger, but c'mon. lol nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile
July 29, 2011 - 1:07am

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Mr. Frog, meet Mr. Glass Of Milk.

Interesting "opinions". What was that about snobbery? Why, that pesky Rhino corporate company; stealing our money at gunpoint! Down with corporations! Oh, which computer are you using by the way? Mac, PC or homemade? "Nostalgia" or "memories" or "high times"? War lovers and gun nuts? Hey, is everyone using a different Forum to me? Am i being refused access to the next level? Do i need to get some funny handshake action going on? There's a parallel site where the Topics are governed by lizards, isn't there? Hey, let me in guys and gals! Don't shut me ou... oh, hang on, "yep, that's two Big Mac's and large fries, thanks man". "And yeah! i'll go Supersize!". Sorry 'bout that; where was i? oh, yeah...heyyyyyy, fooled ya there, didn't i?!!! 'course i don't eat at McDonalds!; i grow everything i eat, build my own solar panels, live in a cave and pray three times a day, totally uncontaminated by any them damn corporate clowns. Europe '72 box soon guys!! "We're off to see the Wizard, the wonderful Wizard of Ooozzzzzzzzzz..." If ya can't start the weekend with a joke, what can ya start it with? Or is that toke? Smoke. Croak...
July 20, 2011 - 2:10pm

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marye

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spammers nuked

back to your regular dangers.
July 20, 2011 - 3:54am

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More closet conservatives who are deadheads...

Why doesn't it surprise me at all that hippies, tree-huggers, etc, are being blasted on other Dead and Furthur sites? On this site there is a fair proportion of flag-wavers (not THAT flag) and war lovers and gun nuts. Deadheads are ALL over the spectrum. This site isn't a community of dead-lovers, it's mostly a lot of "holier-than-thou" Deadheads with opinions and snobbery attached to a commerciat site managed by Rhino. Maybe Hannity knows what all good marketers know -- you can manipulate people really well with feel-good nostalgia. (Aw c'mon, deep down inside in places you don't like to admit being you NEED the $450 music only edition of E72) ~ I went down to the Chelsea drugstore To get your prescription filled I was standing in line with Mr. Jimmy And man, did he look pretty ill We decided that we would have a soda My favorite flavor, cherry red I sung my song to Mr. Jimmy Yeah, and he said one word to me, and that was "dead" ~
July 16, 2011 - 5:54pm

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mountainjam28

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haha

The show is not until next Sat, the 23rd Jonapi but I'm sure my Mom will get pretty wild... bringing out all her finest dance moves haha
July 15, 2011 - 10:29am

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marye

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armand the spammer is so gone

and yet, one sheds a tear for a spammer who knows all the verses to Amazing Grace...or pretends to.
July 15, 2011 - 12:43am

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soundboards await.

You get my private message with musical goodies, johnman?And no i'm not spameyed!! maybe a little wide-eyed but that's another story....!!!! How was the show mountaingirl28? i hope your mom wasn't too wild!! It's always the quiet ones you need to watch.....!!!
July 14, 2011 - 11:42pm

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johnman

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Go away Mr. Armandburkst..

you are far too spameyed for here....
July 7, 2011 - 6:45am

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mountainjam28

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haha

Parks and Rec is hilarious, love that show! I'll see ya in Philly, I didn't have anyone to take either seeing as my friends are currently listening to Lady Gaga type pop bands at the moment. ( crap music! in my opinion.. cough cough). Sooo I'm taking my Mom who was conviced she was too old to go to concerts but we're gonna have a blast!