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    WHAT'S INCLUDED:

    • Lyceum Theatre, London, England (5/23/72)
    • Lyceum Theatre, London, England (5/24/72)
    • Lyceum Theatre, London, England (5/25/72)
    • Lyceum Theatre, London, England (5/26/72)
    • Sourced from recordings by Betty Cantor, Janet Furman, Bob Matthews, Rosie & Wizard
    • Mastered by GRAMMY® Award-winning engineer David Glasser
    • Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes


    "What fans heard in these four {Lyceum} shows was both a history of the Dead and a survey of their unique vision of American music, from folk to rock, with blues and R&B and country-and-western and Bakersfield all included, all melded together by the improvisational spirit of American jazz in a small-group format that owed much to European classical music.

    The repertoire made a statement: this is who we are. And while that honored their roots and surveyed their history and evolution, the overwhelming focus was on the present. At the Lyceum, showgoers heard a tapestry of music that knit together the disparate strands of the ’60s psychedelic baroque of AOXOMOXOA and LIVE/DEAD with the Americana turn epitomized by WORKINGMAN’S DEAD and AMERICAN BEAUTY, which in many ways both continued and culminated in Skull and Roses. English fans were especially delighted to hear the new songs — for fans accustomed to bands using concerts to promote their records, that kind of generosity was striking. Those songs showed a band that was consolidating and deepening its distinctive approach to American vernacular music while still expanding the range of what that could include. Pigpen’s two originals added a distinctive flourish, but the new tunes also made it clear that Weir had emerged in his own right as a singer and songwriter, as well as showing that the wellsprings that fed Garcia and Hunter’s music were drawing on ever deeper aquifers." - Nicholas Meriwether

    Imagine, if you will, being amongst the first to witness the merry band of misfits that had taken over the good ol' U.S. of A. conquer foreign lands. When the Grateful Dead first unleashed their magic on the cautiously optimistic patrons of Wembley on 4/7/72 and 4/8/72, it was with the idea they would have just these two nights to impress a traditionally reserved London crowd. It turned out to be a smashing success, and they set about locking in four dates at one of London’s most storied venues, the Lyceum Theatre, to wrap up what some consider one of the greatest tours in rock history.

    On these four nights, we find the band hell-bent on telling 'em "how it's gonna be," and boy, did they ever. Powered by what Jerry called "peak optimism," they delivered a steady dose of "primal Dead," - sometimes searing, sometimes soulful, sometimes serious, but always unwavering in focus. This willful determination moved them through transitive takes on "Dark Star," to majestic heights with "The Other One," through marathon runs of "Playing," another minute, another mile. It found Phil, philosophizing on how to "put our music into a place," Bob and Jerry masterfully dueling as two of the top songwriters of their time, Bill elegantly ferrying songs to new lengths, and new members Keith and Donna Jean Godchaux adding organic warmth. And Pigpen? Well, he dotted his beloved classics - "Good Lovin'," "Mr. Charlie," "Lovelight," "Two Souls In Communion" - through set after set, conjuring up more clarity and charisma than anyone would have expected for his final few shows.

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  • September 16, 2022 - 10:52am
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    FLAC 94/24 files are an incremental and not revalatory upgrade

    So now that the download problems are finally resolved, I took the plunge and bought the hi-res FLAC files. They do sound great, but when I A/B'd them against EAC rips of the 2011 CDs, I found that the sound was slightly better, but only at the margins. (I played them back on a system with McIntosh power (separates), B&W 702 signatures with a Cambridge Audio Azur 851n streamer connected to an external hard drive.)

    Yes, there was a bit more clarity in the drums/symbols and piano, and Phil's bass packed a tad more punch. The most distinctive increase in fidelity IMHO is in the sharpness of the vocals, particularly Jerry on his ballads (and Donna too when she signs Sing Me Back Home with Jerry). On the other hand, the 2011 mixes have 98-99% of what you hear on the hi-res versions.

    If you don't have these shows, then by all means buy the FLAC files. If you have them, then these files are for those audiophiles out there who have to have the best sounding version of every show. Cheers!

  • September 7, 2022 - 3:56am
    JeremyP
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    Still no response to my…

    Still no response to my notification of the receipt of the four shows with tracks missing.

    Stuff 'em. I'll go elsewhere. Last time deadnet gets a penny of me. EVERY download is a problem. EVERY time,

  • September 3, 2022 - 4:10am
    dtuck90
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    All Sorted

    Support emailed me a new download code overnight and now I have the full 26/5 show in 24/96.

    I'll see you all in the MSG comments in a few weeks for the same fun again!

  • September 1, 2022 - 1:07pm
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    Finally - Success

    Ok - after keeping up on the threads and the last note from Arthur, I tool the plunge and purchased the Flac download. Everything worked smoothly and they were all labeled correctly. I compared the tracks to the LP's and they were all there. Finally, I listened to the 5/26 Truckin' and can confirm that the entire 17 minutes were there - no blank space. So it looks like after some drama -Rhino finally got it right.

    As far as sound, they sound really good to me. I have not done a direct comparison to the 2011 stuff, but this sounds crisp and clear - or maybe I just want to believe that and be happy. There are bigger problems in the world.

    Anyway, all's well that end's well. Fare thee well.

  • August 31, 2022 - 3:44am
    ArthurDent
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    missing tracks

    I compared the tracks I managed to download with the listing of the LPs of 5/26

    The tracks I have are numbered 85-115 consecutively

    The only difference is there is a break in the other one- morning dew on the LP (22 side B)

    These were downloaded before I got the email saying they were fixed. They are FLAC not Apple Lossless

    I have yet to listen to everything to see if there are gaps

    A month on and still people haven't got what they ordered is not exactly impressive, but completely expected based on the past performance of these folks

  • August 30, 2022 - 1:09pm
    John64
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    Has anyone got the complete set downloaded yet?

    I am comfortable with the 96-24 issues, but don't want to purchase until the downloads for all shows are complete i.e. all songs and the middle-minutes of Truckin'. Can someone let us know when this point is reached.

  • August 30, 2022 - 9:54am
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    I Prefer the 96-24 files

    I have only compared a few of the 96-24 files to their equivalents from the suitcase release but, to my aging ears, the 96-24 files sound cleaner, clearer, and perhaps less dynamically compressed. Whether you would hear a difference depends on a lot of factors, including how resolving your system is. In any event, I suggest waiting until Rhino gets the fourth show fixed, unless you just can't wait and are willing to take a risk on the 7 missing tracks.

  • August 30, 2022 - 8:16am
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    Funny

    The spam post below has been there for 4 days.
    And it’s advertising “Larg Hub of Tech info computer tricks tutorials” to a website that can’t even run a competent download service.
    I think that spambot is the VP of IT that WMG/Rhino needs.

  • August 30, 2022 - 6:43am
    JoeyMC
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    I don't think it's safe to…

    I don't think it's safe to buy the FLAC, I think there are still songs missing.

  • August 30, 2022 - 6:41am
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    RE: DFBWM

    IMO, they are not worth the money. I have been ranting about the fact that - while these are "remastered" - they are not "remixed". A "remix" AND "Remaster" would be where the gold would be. In fact, if these were right from the alleged 24/96 files from the 2011 release, they would not even be "remastered". I still believe these shows were mastered in 16/44 but I can't confirm that.

    I think whatever someone wishes to "hear" from this release, they will "hear". I didn't detect any noticeable difference between the cd's or the 16 bit DD files available since 2011, 2014 respectively.

    I would save my money. No wait. I DID save my money. The only gripe I have with this set is the complete botch job Rhino handed out to those who did spend their $100 in good faith.

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WHAT'S INCLUDED:

  • Lyceum Theatre, London, England (5/23/72)
  • Lyceum Theatre, London, England (5/24/72)
  • Lyceum Theatre, London, England (5/25/72)
  • Lyceum Theatre, London, England (5/26/72)
  • Sourced from recordings by Betty Cantor, Janet Furman, Bob Matthews, Rosie & Wizard
  • Mastered by GRAMMY® Award-winning engineer David Glasser
  • Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes


"What fans heard in these four {Lyceum} shows was both a history of the Dead and a survey of their unique vision of American music, from folk to rock, with blues and R&B and country-and-western and Bakersfield all included, all melded together by the improvisational spirit of American jazz in a small-group format that owed much to European classical music.

The repertoire made a statement: this is who we are. And while that honored their roots and surveyed their history and evolution, the overwhelming focus was on the present. At the Lyceum, showgoers heard a tapestry of music that knit together the disparate strands of the ’60s psychedelic baroque of AOXOMOXOA and LIVE/DEAD with the Americana turn epitomized by WORKINGMAN’S DEAD and AMERICAN BEAUTY, which in many ways both continued and culminated in Skull and Roses. English fans were especially delighted to hear the new songs — for fans accustomed to bands using concerts to promote their records, that kind of generosity was striking. Those songs showed a band that was consolidating and deepening its distinctive approach to American vernacular music while still expanding the range of what that could include. Pigpen’s two originals added a distinctive flourish, but the new tunes also made it clear that Weir had emerged in his own right as a singer and songwriter, as well as showing that the wellsprings that fed Garcia and Hunter’s music were drawing on ever deeper aquifers." - Nicholas Meriwether

Imagine, if you will, being amongst the first to witness the merry band of misfits that had taken over the good ol' U.S. of A. conquer foreign lands. When the Grateful Dead first unleashed their magic on the cautiously optimistic patrons of Wembley on 4/7/72 and 4/8/72, it was with the idea they would have just these two nights to impress a traditionally reserved London crowd. It turned out to be a smashing success, and they set about locking in four dates at one of London’s most storied venues, the Lyceum Theatre, to wrap up what some consider one of the greatest tours in rock history.

On these four nights, we find the band hell-bent on telling 'em "how it's gonna be," and boy, did they ever. Powered by what Jerry called "peak optimism," they delivered a steady dose of "primal Dead," - sometimes searing, sometimes soulful, sometimes serious, but always unwavering in focus. This willful determination moved them through transitive takes on "Dark Star," to majestic heights with "The Other One," through marathon runs of "Playing," another minute, another mile. It found Phil, philosophizing on how to "put our music into a place," Bob and Jerry masterfully dueling as two of the top songwriters of their time, Bill elegantly ferrying songs to new lengths, and new members Keith and Donna Jean Godchaux adding organic warmth. And Pigpen? Well, he dotted his beloved classics - "Good Lovin'," "Mr. Charlie," "Lovelight," "Two Souls In Communion" - through set after set, conjuring up more clarity and charisma than anyone would have expected for his final few shows.

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Still not working.

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Figure i have to dumb this down for the folks at Rhino/Dead.

- people push button to download
- people get error
- downloads no work

Why downloads no work? HDTracks downloads work. Qobuz downloads work. Nugs.net downloads work. Wait....everyone's downloads work but...........

Rhino's downloads don't - why Rhino's downloads never work? If had downloads, would not be writing comment on silly site.

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Why Bruce Springsteen downloads work, but not Grateful Dead downloads? Are you saying the boss is more important than Jerry?

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I was able to get 5/26 by looking up order at store. There are 4 buttons that say "Download" seemingly 1 button for each show, however all 4 buttons are in fact the same l!nk. That l!nk gets 5/26 and I am listening to 'Loser' as I write this. The first 3 shows are still unavailable.

Audiophile jargon is not my forte but I can tell you they are 16 bit FWIW.

These are not the downloads you're looking for....

Ya know - we should have our own seaside chat with Dave, and explain to him that getting the shows he raves about is just as important as how good he thinks they sound.

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These are the same shows that have been available since 2011. Same mastering. Same quality. Same Plangent Process. Same bit rate! 7digital started selling the digital version in 2014 or so. Now that 5/26 has been shown to be 16 bit, why in the world would anyone want these? If I were a buyer, I would be demanding my money back.

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Was only able to download 5/26. Also there is dead air for "Trucking" from 7:30 - 14 minutes into song.

While I was hoping Dead.net would just simply refund my money for these undownloadable files, their lack of response has forced me to report what they charged me as fraud with my credit card company. Too bad they let it get this far.

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10 days in and I've got 1 show at 16/44 resolution. There really isn't any end in sight, and haven't received the email with a code for a new download from dead.net that I was promised by support

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I'm doing the same

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The May 26 show I was able to download also has six and half minutes of dead air. Frustrating for something that's been released a couple of times before - and right in middle of Truckin'! I have to say the rest of the show sounds incredible.

Dead air also seems to be a theme from support as well. It's obvious they aren't working weekends to get us a fix sooner.

Still hopeful, but the hope is slipping away fast.

What year is it again?

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OK it has been 10 days now and still the only show that is downloadable is the 05/26/22 show. And based on comments here there are issues with that. It is time to refund everyone who has ordered this, then you should fix it and then allow people to buy it. Make this right.

At this point you are taking advantage of the most loyal music fan base in the world.

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It is obvious that there is no advantage (and many disadvantages) to pre-ordering any downloads from dead.net. I can't recall a single instance where everything went perfectly on day 1 (although it is possible that it may have happened once or twice) but this latest debacle has to be the worst ever.

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Not only is thing not working for us saps who bought it and can’t get an update as to when it will be fixed, but they are still selling this to unsuspecting people knowing it is broke. Really guys???????

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Pull them back if you haven't. Call your CC companies. Cancel PayPal payments. That speaks louder than forum words. If it is done en masse, it will be a lesson they won't forget.

And don't re-buy. There really is NO VALUE in this set to begin with. Go to 7digital or Qobuz and get the exact same thing there. Been available since 2014. There's been no work done on these shows. They are trying to get people to fund the production of the MSG box.

I did not know about those websites. I bought all the Dick's Picks back when they were new and we actually played CDs so some of them got scratched a little and some tracks skip. I've always wished I could just replace those tracks and it looks like I can do that from qobuz. Right on, now I just have to go through and listen to them all and figure out which tracks I need. That's my kind of chore!

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Ok... We have all be very patient, many of us have been through this before with digital pre-orders but come on! What gives? No updates other than an email several days ago saying it has been resolved, oh and here is a coupon to spend more money on stuff we won't deliver on? COME ON! Where is the update guys? I work in IT, I would never get away with something like this with my clients!

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Since we had the email saying it had been resolved has anybody actually being able to have any further communication with dead.net or are they ignoring all of us now?

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I ordered the vinyl box and was planning to order the flac downloads so that I didn't wear the vinyl out and also had some portability. I received the vinyl box on time and it is exceptional. Just a masterful job and the sound is outstanding. Meanwhile, on the download side, a total mess. Don't know why we can't get one person from dead.net or Rhino to respond and clarify three simple questions: 1). When will the downloads be available; 2) what digital format will they be in - cd quality or hi-resolution; and 3) assuming they are just CD quality, are these the exact same versions as were included in the Europe box set a decade ago or have they been improved like the the 50th anniversary Europe '72 was - I purchased that off of HDTracks and it sounded fantastic.

Please - not expecting you to fix anything - just respond on this forum. Surely you monitor it. Communicate.

Amen to that John64! Exactly the questions they need to answer. And for that matter, for those of us who dropped $550 on the Vinyl box, the hi-res Flac downloads should have been included as part of the package. Greed.

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Here we are, two weeks out from the release date, and still no resolution or any definite information about when a resolution might happen. The incompetence and disrespect for customers is astounding.

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I WANT to give dead net my money so they have the revenue stream for more releases. I WANT to purchase through dead net to cut out any third party taking a cut. I have the E72 trunk but would shell out if these were 24 bit files. However, how can anyone buy the downloads when they've blown the trust and can't deliver? I guess you can't always get what you want.

I think I heard a rumor they canned David Lemieux and are getting Alex Jones to represent all the new releases based on his superior integrity and credibility compared to what we have now.

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I was going to buy this download, but have decided not to, based on all the problems people are reporting in the comments here. I'm guessing I'm probably not the only one.

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Well it has been two weeks, no fix, all downloads are still the same 05/26 show. No communication from anyone on this.

For those who contacted your banks and credit card companies, what did you tell them and did you get you money back?

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I just hit Lemieux's FB page. All you purchasers ought to as well. Flood it with discontent and disappointment. It's easy enough to find. Just find one of his shill posts and flood the comments section. Don't just sit there and take it and wait.

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Lemieux needs to know what people are going through. It’s not OK

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Then hit his shill FB page. All of you. The release is a rip-off to begin with. Nevertheless, get on his FB page and let it fly.

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Ever since my credit card info got stolen and misused because of WEA, I don't trust them with CC info and only pay with PayPal. I have begun the process of seeking a refund but PayPal won't do that without first initiating a dialogue between buyer and seller. Perhaps coming at this from a sharper angle may light a fire, we shall see.

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NO ONE has posted their discontent on Lemieux's FB page. Well, I have and I didn't even buy this fraud. It's no wonder you all get taken advantage of and played for clownish buffoons.

Are you afraid LeMew will come to your house and have a front lawn chat with you?

Get your asses over to his page and say something or forever be known as the passive hippie wannabee's most music fans know you are. Where is your great 1960's revolutionary spirit now? If you don't even try, you sort of deserve what you are getting at this point.

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I went ahead and disputed cc. Over the past 2 weeks+, their responses were: 1 forwarding to digital team, 2 resolved, wait for new download paths, 3 back to digital team (4 days ago)

This is fraud.

Twitter handles:
twitter-com/Rhino_Records
twitter-com/lemieuxdavid

YouTube Channel:
channel/UCPuuuhmMW7jh6roOrIV9yRw

BBB for Rhino:
[BBB URL] us/ca/los-angeles/profile/music-distribution-companies/rhino-entertainment-company-1216-13078271

At this point its really not right - these downloads should be handled by real professionals like HDTracks or Qobuz. We need to let these guys know that if they want to stay in business they should treat their customers better.

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I disputed the charge with JP Morgan Chase as well. I have my money back and Rhino dead.net warner music they can fight it out with Chase. Warner music group and rhino should have fun hearing from the banks. Cheers.

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Why are people going after Lemieux? He has nothing to do with the production side. He is involved in picking music and working with the engineers. The situation sucks but hassling someone who isn’t involved in getting the music to the people is misguided anger.

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For $99.89 I purchased the hi-def download of the 4 Lyceum '72 shows. My order had 4 download buttons on it. I pushed them all thinking I would get 4 shows. Hah! All 4 downloads combined into a single folder, and it was a 44.1 download from 5-26-72. How are they going to make this right?

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But he does need to know that things aren’t right.
He is the archivist and the face of the releases/seaside chats.

But who is his employer, WMG/Rhino or GD, inc.?
GD has a contract with WMG/Rhino to vault the recordings (please don’t screw up like Universal Music) and put out releases, and Dave selects releases, but Dave may actually work for GD and not have a lot of control over what goes on at WMG/Rhino.

Given his high profile, it wouldn't do any harm for him to at least acknowledge the problem, and reassure people that it is being looked into. If it is.

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After getting nowhere and not realizing others had this same problem with this download release, I requested that my order be cancelled and a full refund be issued. I was told by customer service that my order was cancelled, that I would get a refund, and I was provided with a code for 10% off my next purchase from the dead.net store, which I will use to repurchase this product once they get their poop in a pile and have all four shows instead of only the penultimate show. Not a happy experience, but I encourage others to ask for the same remedy, which if enough people do, will force them to fix this issue.

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Never used the message board or had a need to create an account until now. Thanks for the advice and messages. I thought it was just me. I will contact customer service and get a refund

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Just got this in response to a second request for update on the download cluster:

Thank you for contacting us and we apologize for the tardiness of this response.

Unfortunately, we are currently experiencing a very high volume of incoming customer service tickets.

We will prioritize your ticket and follow up with your as soon as possible.

We are so sorry for the delay and thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,

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