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... not the low road of calling other people names. That usually means that you have nothing to add to the debate. Buddy Plant had something interesting to say -- he usually comes to this site to get away from the real world, not to discuss substantive issues. I uderstand that. But one of the things that attracted me to the Grateful Dead was the deadheads. I could always easily find some people to have discussions with who share my general views, more or less. The deadheads on the internet (a specific sunbset of deadheads) 14 years after the last show are a different breed though. I find it sad that they are now mirroring the attitudes of people in their peer group, generally. Why would I think otherwise? Too sad to think of a pithy line from a tune.

never seem to blend. words to live by. peace.

thanks for the song, badger I am honoured and humbled. cheers, mate. rare footage of cc joe released: never seem to blend. peace.

I said C., C. C. Joe ManOh see, what you have done I said C. , CC Joe Man You’re always making fun You drive us crazy where you’re here man But we sure miss you when you’re gone ;-) I said C., C. C. Joe Man Never know where you have gone Hustling pool halls all round Asia From Tokyo to Patpong Changing names and changing planes And writing stupid songs I said C., CC Joe Man I hope those sweat pants ain’t too tight So all the gases can disperse Before you get on your next flight I hope you find yourself one more sucker And take his cash tonight

Think the "lame O gonzo" is not particularly nice. Getting all heated up in debate is one thing, but insulting each other something else altogether. Opposing debate is the only way to really get at the truth, and it IS ok to say "I think what you say sucks, and I beg to differ" but is not ok to say "lame O".********************************** Education: that which reveals to the wise, and conceals from the stupid, the vast limits of their knowledge. Mark Twain

hey thanks Joe! was all getting a bit serious round here!

On October 2nd, 2009 Hal R said: "my oh my look at all the stereotyping around here, whatever happened to open minds? C'mon people now" ***** this be a fairly stereotypical HalR retort me thinks. yuk yuk yuk. ( -: ***** Dark Hal R Hal R mashes Burning peels into ashes Tots of 'taters Chives and sour creme but it misses Butter lasting Melts into crevices of illusion Shall we try, you and I, potatoes from a can? With the famine or windfall of harvest Skin washers Eating them will make you fatter Arteries clogging To cholosterol levels rising Deadicated Procedes into farts in my eye Shall we try, you and I, potatoes from a can? With the famine or windfall of harvest (-; peace.

I meant to say "Amen, to you and to brother Johnman on that point." Disregard that "not' in the original post. My wife says that I need work in my editing as well. And of course she is right. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.

quoting Lenin's truth of the "great lie' mentality. I did so since you were blaming Obama for the AIG bailout when that 'bailout' occurred under the Bush administration/direction. And I stated that you could hold Obama responsible for what happens under his watch, not what happened prior. That would be like me holding Bush responsible for oral infidelity in the Oval office. That infraction would be Clinton's and it is nonsensical to hold a prior administration responsible for a current administration's transgressions. That was my point. I do agree that both parties have much in common where they deviate from their mission regarding a just and fair administration of government to all. And we also agree on using less and living on less. Amen, to you and not to brother Johnman on that point. My 3 sons ridiculed me for using a 22 year old Marantz reciever. "Get something new, new is better, that receiver is old, aren't you embarrassed.....blah, blah,.." my boys called for me to get rid of something that worked fine (and had some sentimental value) but I told them that as long as this worked, why junk it to get something new? We may have more in common that we do different. To identify my leanings, I see myself as a fiscal conservative, libertarian in several respects and socially liberal regarding most issues. However, I find myself longing for a bygone era where persons that disagree can do so without abusing the faithful opposition. Ronald Reagan (R) used to have Tip O'Neil (D) over to the White House, to hammer out compromises to make this a better country/society and then each would praise each other. Similar compromises have occurred in prior administrations and unfortunately such practices have ground to a halt. And I don't see the current process as an improvement. The fact that several congressmen referred to political compromise as 'date rape' is an offensive statement and this sentiment has proven counterproductive (but pervasive) since they made those statements 15 years ago. I am not here to name-call (nod to Hal) and I don't begrudge those that want to protest or call out that the 'emperor has no clothes', and all have the right to do so. Unfortunately in the current culture and media, what we often have is a bunch of entitled individuals (on both sides) who have no respect of anyone else’s opinion. Both sides have fostered disrespect for civil public debate and instead prefer a spectacle akin to professional wrestling. Where each side is a caricature, and instead of making their point, each assails and vilifies their opponent. Name-calling and questioning a person's patriotism has taken the place of debate. Bait and goad. Just watch the TV or listen to the radio. In my opinion, it is unfortunate that civil discourse is no longer valued nor desired. Or even civil. I value and welcome debate. But I will continue to point out when some attack the persons on the other side of the aisle, by using the exact same tactics, and then attempt to present themselves as somehow above those tactics. I have seen too much of it in my lifetime and will not stand quiet. That is not a personal attack on you. It is an attack on the perversion that has supplanted debate in this country. It is also an attack on hypocrisy. Each person has a right to their own opinion but each doesn't have a right to their own facts. I will continue to challenge when some here use facts that are inaccurate. On either side of the aisle. I challenged my liberal friends as they overlooked and dismissed the Clinton era lies, misdeeds, and missed opportunities as well as when my conservative friends were/are apologists for Bush's lack of purpose, deceptions, and wretched mismanagement of the economy (how many spending bills vetoed? Who started this government bail-out?). I refused to call Clinton a liberal and/or Bush a conservative as their practice and policies were true to neither person's professed beliefs. But I could live more quietly with this if both willing to be honest in admitting that their documented behaviors differed massively from their stated purposes but each (and their supporters) cling to their desired label. And instead of acknowledging or discussing their decisions to divert wildly each President continued to contend how consistent they were to their principles. Lenin "A lie told often enough becomes the truth". Unfortunate, but accurate in each of their cases. And the 'big lie' mentality works on us as well. If we aren't paying attention. Or decide to accept blindly what is told to us by blogs, TV, papers, magazines, government, etc.. Obama is the new guy. His administration is eleven months old. Obama is responsible for what happens on his watch, not the prior watch. Just like you are responsible for what you say. Not for what someone said before you. That was my point. That is what I was trying to convey. If my communication was unclear, I am sorry. I am not always on point, just ask my wife. And she tells me I repeat myself and I babble. Say it ain't so..... The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.

the person that wrote the note preceding this one is the one that is about to start the weekend and not the one that was reading the newspaper at lunch or listening to the radio news this morning As Greg Brown says "I don't know that guy". If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake