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    Holy S#%*! It’s the COMPLETE Europe ’72 Box! On Over 60 Discs!

    $450.00
    Europe '72:
    The Complete Recordings


    Hey now! Due to overwhelming demand, surprising even those of us with huge faith in the Europe '72 project, the entire limited edition run of 7,200 boxed sets has sold out in less than 4 days. We thank you beyond words for your support and belief in this unprecedented and wonderful release.

    After lengthy discussions, we've decided we don't want to deprive anyone of this music, some of the finest the Grateful Dead ever performed. Of course, we're keeping to our promise that the boxed set and all of its accouterments will not be made available beyond these 7,200 boxed sets (and wait until you see the case in which the music is housed, the hard-bound coffee-table book, plus all of the other cool surprises we've been unearthing!). But, we're going to offer just the music, all 22 shows, more than 60 CDs, more than 70 hours of music, each show housed in its own packaging, for the same price as the boxed set, $450 including domestic shipping. Although perhaps not as cool as the boxed set, the bottom line is that the most important aspect of Europe '72: The Complete Recordings is going to be made available to all, the music.


    - David Lemieux


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    Because you dared dream this might happen one day… Because you went down to the Gypsy Woman and offered up your first-born to try to make it happen… Because there are enough passionate Dead Heads at Rhino/GD who thought it might be cool for this to happen… It’s happening! Coming in September is a gargantuan, beautifully designed EUROPE ’72 MEGA-BOX SET containing ALL 22 SHOWS of what is arguably the greatest tour the Grateful Dead ever played, on a whopping 60+ DISCS (over 70 hours of music!). Bet you didn’t see that comin’!

    Really, at this point we probably don’t need to lay on too much hype about how wonderful the music is: Chances are, if you’re even considering buying a copy of this stunning box, you already know how amazing the Dead’s tour of Europe in April and May of 1972 was. To review briefly, though, the Dead’s first tour outside of North America took them to all sorts of historic and unusual venues in England, Denmark, West Germany, France, Holland and even tiny Luxembourg. Many members of the Dead “family” came along on what was really an extended working vacation that was designed to both expose the Dead to new audiences and also reward the band for their unlikely conquest of America during the preceding two years. As a hedge against the costs of the nearly two-month trip, the Dead’s label, Warner Bros., paid for the band to lug around a 16-track recorder to capture the entire tour… and we’re glad they did!

    This was a band at the top of its game, still ascending in the wake of three straight hit albums — Workingman’s Dead, American Beauty and the live Grateful Dead (“Skull & Roses”). It had been a year since the lineup had gone to its single-drummer configuration, six months since Keith Godchaux had been broken in as the group’s exceptional pianist, and this marked the first tour to feature Donna Godchaux as a member of the touring band. There was a ton on new, unreleased material that came into the repertoire in the fall of ’71 (after “Skull & Roses” was out) and during the spring of ’72, including “Tennessee Jed,” “Jack Straw,” “Mexicali Blues,” “He’s Gone,” “Comes A Time,” “Ramble on Rose,” “One More Saturday Night,” “Black-Throated Wind,” “Looks Like Rain” and Pigpen’s “Chinatown Shuffle,” “The Stranger (Two Souls in Communion)” and “Mr. Charlie.” (Sadly, this was Pigpen’s final tour.) All those future classics were interspersed with songs from the aforementioned “hit” albums—such as “Uncle John’s Band,” “Brokedown Palace,” “Cumberland Blues,” “Casey Jones,” “Sugar Magnolia,” “Bertha,” “Not Fade Away,” et al — and then were topped off by loads of big jamming numbers — the Europe ’72 tour produced spectacular versions of “Dark Star,” “The Other One” “Playing in the Band,” “Truckin’,” “China Cat Sunflower” > “I Know You Rider,” “Good Lovin’,” “Lovelight” and even the early Pig chestnut “Caution.” And that’s leaving out a truckload of other tunes, too! There wasn’t a clunker show in the bunch, and many are acknowledged today as classics. No doubt you already have some favorites.

    Through the years, there have been a few releases of material from the Europe tour—starting with the 3-album Europe ’72 which knocked our socks off in the fall of that year, and followed many years later by material from a pair of German shows and the fantastic 4-CD Stepping Out, culled from the group’s eight shows in England. Incredibly, though, only one full show from the tour has come out previously: the excellent 4/24 concert in Dusseldorf, Germany, released as Rockin’ the Rhein in 2004.

    Until now, that is. Jeffrey Norman, who has been the primary mixer of Dead archival multi-track material for the past 15 years (Fillmore West ’69, Ladies and Gentlemen…, Rockin’ the Rhein, Nightfall of Diamonds, etc.) has spent many months toiling over the 16-track masters from the tour, and will continue working on the mixes through the Winter and Spring, employing the high-tech Plangent Processes transfer and restoration tools, trying to get every show to sound “just exactly perfect” (as Bob Weir says) for this release. You might think you’ve heard that intense “Dark Star” > “Sugar Mag” > “Caution” from Copenhagen, but I guarantee you’ve never heard it sound this alive! Mastering to HDCD specs is two-time Grammy-winning engineer David Glasser of Airshow Mastering. Needless to say, all the songs that turned up on previous Europe compilations will be appear in their proper show contexts, and in the case of songs from the Europe ’72 album, without overdubs that were added later (where possible).

    The packaging is, as you might expect, first rate. Each show is its own Digipak, with its own liner notes by top Dead scholars (including David Gans, Steve Silberman, and Nicholas Meriwether) and attendees of some of the concerts, and many never-before-seen photos. Additionally, there is an enormous book worthy of coffee table treatment featuring hundreds more photos and a comprehensive essay by yours truly (Blair Jackson). The box will also contain other memorabilia and ephemera from the tour.

    A rough sketch of the potential packaging.
    Check back soon for more product images.

    At $450, this clearly will not be a box for everyone. In fact, this individually numbered boxed set will be limited to orders placed with a maximum of 7,200 boxes produced. As a special bonus, the first 3,000 orders will receive a personalized copy. Due to the huge manufacturing costs (wait 'til you see it! We're doing something unlike any other boxed set release ever! It's exceptional!!), we need to hit 3,000 sales before we even go into production. If we don't reach 3,000 by April 1st, the boxed set won't be able to happen. This isn't a gun-to-your-head sales pitch. Rather, we want to be open with you about the realities of this release's massive scope and ambition.

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    So dig deep, raid the penny jar, take a weekend job at Jack-in-the-Box, beg your kindly ol’ grandma for some of your inheritance early… Yes, it’s an extravagance, but jeez, you (or your loved one) deserve it! This is way cool.

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  • I Woke Today
    5 years 4 months ago
    Is the "All the Music Edition" still available

    besides looking at the resale sites, are the All the music edition of Europe '72 still available on the Dead website for purchase?

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    Gergg
    5 years 7 months ago
    What to hear after this

    I've been neck deep in this box for a month and its awesome. I'm pretty close to hearing the whole tour but have lost track to be honest. If I wanted to dig this deep into another batch of Dead that would represent the band's next step in their development after the 72 tour what would it be?

  • marye
    6 years ago
    alas no
    these were all snapped up years ago, though you may find someone willing to part with theirs.
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$450.00
Europe '72:
The Complete Recordings


Hey now! Due to overwhelming demand, surprising even those of us with huge faith in the Europe '72 project, the entire limited edition run of 7,200 boxed sets has sold out in less than 4 days. We thank you beyond words for your support and belief in this unprecedented and wonderful release.

After lengthy discussions, we've decided we don't want to deprive anyone of this music, some of the finest the Grateful Dead ever performed. Of course, we're keeping to our promise that the boxed set and all of its accouterments will not be made available beyond these 7,200 boxed sets (and wait until you see the case in which the music is housed, the hard-bound coffee-table book, plus all of the other cool surprises we've been unearthing!). But, we're going to offer just the music, all 22 shows, more than 60 CDs, more than 70 hours of music, each show housed in its own packaging, for the same price as the boxed set, $450 including domestic shipping. Although perhaps not as cool as the boxed set, the bottom line is that the most important aspect of Europe '72: The Complete Recordings is going to be made available to all, the music.


- David Lemieux


Because you dared dream this might happen one day… Because you went down to the Gypsy Woman and offered up your first-born to try to make it happen… Because there are enough passionate Dead Heads at Rhino/GD who thought it might be cool for this to happen… It’s happening! Coming in September is a gargantuan, beautifully designed EUROPE ’72 MEGA-BOX SET containing ALL 22 SHOWS of what is arguably the greatest tour the Grateful Dead ever played, on a whopping 60+ DISCS (over 70 hours of music!). Bet you didn’t see that comin’!

Really, at this point we probably don’t need to lay on too much hype about how wonderful the music is: Chances are, if you’re even considering buying a copy of this stunning box, you already know how amazing the Dead’s tour of Europe in April and May of 1972 was. To review briefly, though, the Dead’s first tour outside of North America took them to all sorts of historic and unusual venues in England, Denmark, West Germany, France, Holland and even tiny Luxembourg. Many members of the Dead “family” came along on what was really an extended working vacation that was designed to both expose the Dead to new audiences and also reward the band for their unlikely conquest of America during the preceding two years. As a hedge against the costs of the nearly two-month trip, the Dead’s label, Warner Bros., paid for the band to lug around a 16-track recorder to capture the entire tour… and we’re glad they did!

This was a band at the top of its game, still ascending in the wake of three straight hit albums — Workingman’s Dead, American Beauty and the live Grateful Dead (“Skull & Roses”). It had been a year since the lineup had gone to its single-drummer configuration, six months since Keith Godchaux had been broken in as the group’s exceptional pianist, and this marked the first tour to feature Donna Godchaux as a member of the touring band. There was a ton on new, unreleased material that came into the repertoire in the fall of ’71 (after “Skull & Roses” was out) and during the spring of ’72, including “Tennessee Jed,” “Jack Straw,” “Mexicali Blues,” “He’s Gone,” “Comes A Time,” “Ramble on Rose,” “One More Saturday Night,” “Black-Throated Wind,” “Looks Like Rain” and Pigpen’s “Chinatown Shuffle,” “The Stranger (Two Souls in Communion)” and “Mr. Charlie.” (Sadly, this was Pigpen’s final tour.) All those future classics were interspersed with songs from the aforementioned “hit” albums—such as “Uncle John’s Band,” “Brokedown Palace,” “Cumberland Blues,” “Casey Jones,” “Sugar Magnolia,” “Bertha,” “Not Fade Away,” et al — and then were topped off by loads of big jamming numbers — the Europe ’72 tour produced spectacular versions of “Dark Star,” “The Other One” “Playing in the Band,” “Truckin’,” “China Cat Sunflower” > “I Know You Rider,” “Good Lovin’,” “Lovelight” and even the early Pig chestnut “Caution.” And that’s leaving out a truckload of other tunes, too! There wasn’t a clunker show in the bunch, and many are acknowledged today as classics. No doubt you already have some favorites.

Through the years, there have been a few releases of material from the Europe tour—starting with the 3-album Europe ’72 which knocked our socks off in the fall of that year, and followed many years later by material from a pair of German shows and the fantastic 4-CD Stepping Out, culled from the group’s eight shows in England. Incredibly, though, only one full show from the tour has come out previously: the excellent 4/24 concert in Dusseldorf, Germany, released as Rockin’ the Rhein in 2004.

Until now, that is. Jeffrey Norman, who has been the primary mixer of Dead archival multi-track material for the past 15 years (Fillmore West ’69, Ladies and Gentlemen…, Rockin’ the Rhein, Nightfall of Diamonds, etc.) has spent many months toiling over the 16-track masters from the tour, and will continue working on the mixes through the Winter and Spring, employing the high-tech Plangent Processes transfer and restoration tools, trying to get every show to sound “just exactly perfect” (as Bob Weir says) for this release. You might think you’ve heard that intense “Dark Star” > “Sugar Mag” > “Caution” from Copenhagen, but I guarantee you’ve never heard it sound this alive! Mastering to HDCD specs is two-time Grammy-winning engineer David Glasser of Airshow Mastering. Needless to say, all the songs that turned up on previous Europe compilations will be appear in their proper show contexts, and in the case of songs from the Europe ’72 album, without overdubs that were added later (where possible).

So dig deep, raid the penny jar, take a weekend job at Jack-in-the-Box, beg your kindly ol’ grandma for some of your inheritance early… Yes, it’s an extravagance, but jeez, you (or your loved one) deserve it! This is way cool.

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Dear All Today I received 2 passwords for the original set (I did not register for the music only set). I have completed and confirmed via one of them. The other will expire on either the 5th Feb or the 2nd May (I'm never sure which way the dates work on these things...2/5...5/2...??). I will allow my second password to expire. My guess is that there will be a good number of "expiring passwords" which will be fed back in to those registered. For what it's worth, I got confirmation of my order within seconds. Good Luck.
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A recent post pointed out something worth highlighting for the few of us who got orders in and confirmed early. In my case, I got an order with a DN number last Friday. I was worried, though, that it wasn't really confirmed, in spite of the email I got, because when I went to check the order on the site it wasn't found. A nice guy at customer service (John) told me that it was recorded, but it had a different order number because it used a different shopping cart. However, I had also reserved a set, since I had doubts. I placed the order using the reservation, and that order was confirmed and shows up when I check it on the site. So I called and cancelled the first one, so that put a set back into the system. I just felt a bit better being able to get order info from the site, and John said either way was fine. So if you have an early order, apparently it is valid, if you have a DN number.
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Are they allowing a payment plan in purchasing this set ?
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On January 25th, 2011 Roland Bruynesteyn said: "You were placed on the stand-by list in the order that we received your reservation. Should more copies of the boxed set become available, we will let you know - at which point you will have the opportunity to order the number of copies you previously reserved (subject to availability). ..... Hang in there!" I got put on a waiting list for the Fillmore box. I got it.
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kIRK Hey Kirk man thanks for your post, i placed my order on friday through the store. and i received an email saying it was confirmed but like you thats all had. I have a conformation number starting with DN for one of the first 3000 sets. But man all the trouble everyone has had with all the orders and recontacts from Deadnet had had me kinda worried about my order. thanks for your post about the DN number i can feel a bit better about it now. enjoy your set brother. Peace darkstarr1971
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Went through fine. Order number BJC22222etc, Jan 24 Still no email confirmation of the actual order. Good job I printed the receipt eh?
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It isn't 24 Earth Standard Hours. I had a very tense four day wait for my code, because I forgot that.
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With the code good one shot I want to make sure I've got this right. Personalization isn't just,"This copy belongs to: blah blah" Cuz I don't want to type in "Goin' Down the Road" in the personalization space and have this arrive in Sept with a personalization page saying" this is "Goin' Down the Roads Volume" If that's the case I'd type in "Dogs in a Pile" Marye, do you have any light to share on this?
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Lost kid Yes we all had the same chance. I can't access the Dead site at work and I got it. Also it took 4 days to sell out. Whether you have been to a show for 20 years ( that would actually be 5 years then) is irrelevant to my point about New Years Tix. About the fighting before they turned it over to Rhino not impossible to say I just said it a 2nd time. And anyone remotely aware of the scene 5-10 years ago knows what the situation was like (not good). Examples about people bemoaning Rhino here's 1 The guy who multiplied the original number of sets time price and came up with a few million dollars. Hardly a drop in the bucket. But you know that you can't read 20 comments without a few trashing Rhino. I have no idea what pseudo Zen BS is I'm plain spoken if you don't like it don't buy it but stop whinning
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Really? How did I have the same chance as everyone else when they didn't send me the notice of the set until the day it sold out?
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For Blair or David to come knocking on your door?? You had the same chance as everyone else if you check the wesite everyday. Waiting for an email to give you the news will put you at the end of the line. Those emails always come out a day or 2 too late especially for products with a high demand. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Hopefully I will hear something one way or another.today.Congrats to those who got their notices yesterday, hope you give it a good home!.
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I ordered the music only, but I of course really want the real deal box. It seems like a l few people have had some issues that have lead them to having 2 codes sent to them. If enough codes are "expired" does that mean eventually the box set will come to those of us that ordered the music only? That would be awesome!!
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I just ordered the box. Does anyone know if they charge my card now or when it is shipped? I've heard conflicting reports. They put a hold, they don't. It doesn't matter I just want to know what to expect.
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I just ordered the box. Does anyone know if they charge my card now or when it is shipped? I've heard conflicting reports. They put a hold, they don't. It doesn't matter I just want to know what to expect.
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Does get a hold put on it for the $450, but you won't get actually charged until the box ships. The hold likely will affect funds available, so look out if you are close to your limit, but I believe that the credit card company will drop the hold at some point if the charge isn't completed by Rhino. We'll see how that one works. Debit cards, other forms of payment? No clue.
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subject line says it all
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I found out about it because I follow rec.music.gdead. Fortunately, someone posted info about the set before it went live. (Though several members of the group thought it was a hoax.)
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I can tell you for a fact that not all credit cards have had holds put on them. Don't know what the criteria is, though, but mine was unaffected and I received an email confirmation w/ my CC info on the page.
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Ok. here's the deal the way i understand it. If you have recieved a code in the last 24 hours or so, you will be getting a Standard box set version, (no personalization). The personalized versions are all gone and spoken for. If you have not got a email yet dont panic just yet. Emails for the box set are slowly going out to individuals through this weekend. The process is deliberately slow as to avoid another server/site meltdown which they had last weekend. I'm told that the process for the music only version has not yet begun until the box set purchases are all completed. The final date to reserve your copy of the box set is Feb 5. Sounds like they are starting to figure things out and perhaps making changes to make the box set available to as many people as possible. Hope this helps.
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Amazing! Thanks to the generosity of a kind member of the community, I was able to order the box after all, after thinking I was shut out for good. I wish the same good fortune to everyone else who may have missed out at first. "I know this song, it ain't never gonna end..."
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I hope you didn't have to give the "kind member" something in exchange for the unused code, because then they are not so kind.
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dstache: No, nothing like that; it was true generosity and helpfulness. stepineden72: When you go through the personalization process, it does specifically ask for a name, and gives a couple of examples, so I just put my full name. If it had looked like a quote was appropriate, I would have used "Come quick with the iodine"...
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Good for you shrewnews and for the kind head who passed on the code! THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. There are 3 parts to a basic contract: an offer, acceptance and consideration. Clearly an offer was made by dead.net. That offer explicitly stated that a limited number (3000 personalized, another 4200 or 4300 non-personalized) of box sets would be sold. Acceptance occurred when you filled out the form and the system accepted it. The question is consideration. They have not charged your credit card, but they did accept your number AND put a hold on your card. I believe, though I could be wrong (AGAIN THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE), that a court would most likely find this to be consideration and a valid contract to have been formed. The fact that no shipment has been made is irrelevant to whether a contract has been formed. So, there are legal issues to the whole limited edition thing. I am NOT saying that I would have a problem with more box sets being issued (I would not). Finally, I have done no research on this topic, which would need to be done to give a solid legal opinion, and I am just recalling basic contract law from the top of my head. Anything I have said in this paragraph should NOT BE CONSTRUED AS LEGAL ADVICE.
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While I am thrilled that the Complete Recordings is being issued for all of us Deadheads, it's really ua bummer that they are limiting the "boxed set" with all of the "extras" to just 7,500 -- especially since the "recordings only" version is the same price! Come on, guys, give us loyal Deadheads a break and just print up more "boxed sets." Not only since we're willing to shell out $450 (which ain't easy to come by in these lean times), but also since we gladly shell out our hard earned bucks for every Dead release. Pretty please, with sugar on it?!
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dstache - i disagree with your analysis, as well-reasoned as it is. (a) consideration beyond the bargain itself must flow from both parties for a contract to be valid. (b) this is more likely governed by law relating to a "true sale" or "sale of goods" which means that for a sale to occur, full value must be paid rather than just a hold. my 2 cents.
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I have been following this whole adventure since the get go. I was one of those who jumped at the chance to purchase set but was never even able to get to a point where I could place an order. And this was from first day on. I am so bummed. I am happy of course for those who have successfully navigated the process. I did place my name for music only option but have not heard anything, and from what I understand from previous postings here, may not for a little while. But I am one of those who really digs the bells and whistles though. Maybe something will change, we'll see how the petals all unfold...Cheers!
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I was lucky enough to get a standard box set so I am pretty happy but I called CAL-DEAD and was told that any unclaimed personalized sets would be released to those on the music only list not to those that had reserved a standard box set. Doesn't really make sense to me but that is what they said. peace
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someone is on there now selling just the personalized set code.
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Following this thread has been a pisser! After not hearing fron DeadNet for 5 days or so, I figured I was shut out of the box set offer. Oh well, that's how it goes. I can't tell you how many shows I got shut out of because they sold out - either through Dead ticketing or after waiting on a Ticketmaster line. No tears. Lo and behold, this morning I got an e-mail containing my purchase code. I was not sure if this was for the box set or the music only offering as the e-mail did not say. So I called the nice folks at 1-800-CAL-DEAD to see what the deal was. I was told that my code was for a box set. Order placed, confirmation received. So simple for someone with patience. Not sure how I feel about how this whole E72 offer deal went down, but a little perspective can surely ease your mind. Goes to show, you don't ever know!
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Hell with ideology. The Grateful Dead are brilliant at selling exciting music. Very few people are able to accomplish such a magnificent feat. Job well done.
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I had someone try and trade me their code for $200 on here. I would love to get the full box but i would never go the scalper route. "On man gathers what another man spills", but he doesn't have the audacity to ask for more! I have the music coming, and that is what I want the most. The extras would be nice, but I will get by without if need be. With crossed fingers hopefully there will be enough to go around and I will get the full treasure chest edition.
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They said that they would not bill You for the box set until it ships. However when I checked bank account today there it was 450.00 withdraw from dead net.It's no problem for Me but be for some of You.
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on this thread today, man, the last few days has been hard to handle, lots of negativity, name calling, etc..., glad to hear a lot of the people who were so vocal about there displeasure are getting sets, whooee, hopefully all that want, can get.Yesterday I listened to the 5-23 show, a real good Mr. Charlie on that one and from dark star on, it is just great, that dark star is long and really goes out into feedback space, then settles down to an excellent he's gone into morning dew, just exactly perfect, can't wait to hear it in all it's remaster glory.
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Some young clerk writes: "The question is consideration. They have not charged your credit card, but they did accept your number AND put a hold on your card. I believe, though I could be wrong (AGAIN THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE), that a court would most likely find this to be consideration and a valid contract to have been formed. The fact that no shipment has been made is irrelevant to whether a contract has been formed. So, there are legal issues to the whole limited edition thing." LOL. Reliance? Damages? Please come back to earth, grasshopper.
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Many may be in luck. I talked to dead.net a short time ago to confirm my status because my code number started with P9XXXXX, not the DNXXXXX I've seen often. The guy told me the are a lot of credit card numbers not being approved so those potential buyers are in jeopardy.
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snafu: "Lost kid Yes we all had the same chance. I can't access the Dead site at work and I got it." Whether you got it is really irrelevant to proving your proposition that "we" "all had the same chance." It's simply not true, and not even close to being true. I'm not sure why you'd cling to a statement that is so obviously false. Also seems more than a bit gauche to complain about "whiners" when you've managed to luck out. But as I said, wherever there's a bunch of Deadheads having a conversation on the Internet, there's at lease one of them telling every one else to stifle, as if complaining about something fixable is "bad."
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Grasshopper, wow, not at all obnoxious from an anonymous newbie. Uh, yeah, the buyer relied on the seller to send him the box set when it was ready, and relied that it would remain limited, and the seller relied on the buyer NOT to cancel his credit card when the box was ready. And damages would be the difference in value btwn a limited edition box set and a NON-limited edition. Compare the difference btwn a similar product such as the limited edition FW69 initial sales price and what it goes for now (big difference), and compare the same for the non-limited Winterland 73 (presumably sells for the same). I tried to make it simple soo everyone could follow it. Also, I am going from basic contract law.
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Has anyone heard if the “music only” version is going to be added to the on-line Dead catalog as a standard offering or is it only going to be made available on a “limited-time” basis? I would hope for the former option based on the historical significance of these recordings!
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I have a "miracle" for somebody on here. I had 2 codes (2 email addresses) for a PERSONALIZED box set. I bought 1 using one of the codes - and I really hate to see the other code go to waste. I don't really want to put my email address on here - but if you'll "reply" with YOURS, I'll forward my "code email" to one of you and you can give it a whirl.
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After reading all of the negative publicity regarding this release I have decided to cancel my personalized copy of the Europe '72 box set. The fellow at Grateful Dead Customer Service was very nice and complied with my request. I feel that there is no possible way I could ever get through this entire box set and truly appreciate it, I have all other Europe '72 releases(which are fantastic) and only get around to listening to those once a year. There is so much other good Dead music out there! The one show I really wanted out of the lot was 5/11/72. Maybe some generous head could hook me up with that when the set comes out. :) I love all eras of Grateful Dead and would like my set to go do someone who is a complete fanatic. I hope the code goes out to someone who will really appreciate it. I too am a fanatic, but I love to move from era to era and follow the calendar as I listen to the music. I cannot listen to a April show in September or a May show in October. I like to listen to Dead by the season. As I do not have any January shows, I have been enjoying December shows and February shows. Good luck with the box set, I guess it was the one that got away from me. I think I will live. Remember everyone...just listen to the music play.
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I sent you a private message.
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dstache the buyer relied on the seller to send him the box set when it was ready, and relied that it would remain limited, and the seller relied on the buyer NOT to cancel his credit card when the box was ready. And damages would be the difference in value btwn a limited edition box set and a NON-limited edition Okay, you're right: you're not giving not legal advice. It sort of sounds like it, but it actually has very little to do with the law. Speaking hypothetically and without any agenda with respect to Rhino/Dead intentions, if Rhino were to cancel the entire project and start over there would be viable claim for any damages by any customer with the possible exception of the tiny number of customers who I think we all agree are the worst people in the world, i.e., the folks who are scalping codes and "reserved" copies of the box. It seems to me that such vermin, should they become pesky about any alleged "breach", would be pretty easy for a corporation like Rhino to deal with (i.e., they would be easy to ignore).
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Now the lawyers are going at -- crack me up! The answer is pretty easy, and found in the terms of use for the website. Customer order is "an offer" which is "accepted" by Dead.net when a sale is "confirmed". According to the email sent after ordering my E72 Box, my order will be "confirmed" when the product leaves the warehouse. In other words, nobody has a contract for anything. There may be plenty of incompetence at Rhino/Dead.net to go around, but they aren't complete morons!
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Oops, should be " there would be *NO* viable claim for any damages by any customer ..." in my previous post.
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I posted this elsewhere, but thought a repost here was worthwhile. Just to balance out some of the negativity that I've read (along side some wonderfully positive comments!). Yeah, things are not perfect. But the music is being produced spectacularly and is being offered to the public. Yes, money is of some importance. AND I believe the Rhino staff and GD staff do care about the audience as well. They may not have the years behind them of fully understanding the Dead community quite yet, but they're getting there. And we, as that community, have an opportunity to constructively let them know what works and what doesn't, what we expect or prefer, and what makes it frustrating or difficult. I believe that at the end of the day, they actually want to know this. Even the ones for whom money may be the greatest goal. Yes, it serves them to know, too. But I do know for a fact that there are many working at Rhino who DO care more about the music and the audience. Sure, getting all the shows at a cheaper price would have been something worth considering. But know that that would have pissed off some who paid more for the set and might have preferred to pay less and pass on the "extras," but didn't know that would be offered as an option. It's kind of a lose/lose situation. Either way, someone is pissed. These sets sold out in a manner and at a speed the folks at Dead.net and Rhino clearly never saw coming. So, yeah, the ones that got in early get some extras for the price. Those after 7200 don't get those extras. Part of the allure for some of the box set was that it was a "limited edition." Going back on that would simply have been false advertising. Perhaps Rhino jumped the gun and didn't prepare well for this scenario. I bet they've learned a lot this past week. And they will take those lessons and apply them to future releases of this kind. At the end of the day, warts and all considered, this is still an amazing release of some of the greatest GD music ever. Perhaps down the line, Rhino and the Dead will offer these shows individually. But that is something best "suggested" as opposed to threatening to abandon them altogether because this unprecedented release could have been handled or prepared for better. We're all human here. For the record, I don't work for Rhino or Dead.net. I'm just a guy who is very excited about this release and want to see more like it in the future. There are amazing videos and film of the Dead out there that have yet to be released. Even the 1972 Tivoli theatre in Denmark show from this very tour! Hoping that finds its way into the box set. AND I hope it's made available for purchase to everyone else as well. I'd love to see all the footage from the 1974 Winterland shows that were shot on 16mm put together so that we can see those shows in their entirety. That's another set I'd plunk my hard-earned money down to purchase, extras or no. And after the fantastic response to this box set, hopefully doors and minds will be open to those kinds of releases. More good comes out of this than bad. It's good for us. In the meantime, educate the folks at Rhino. That will go further and be heard clearer than yelling or threatening. That's just my opinion, for what it's worth.
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so what is this if it is not a confirmation? ------------------ Thank you for supporting our very special release Europe ‘72: The Complete Recordings. This confirms that we have received your order. Your credit card WILL NOT BE CHARGED until Europe ‘72: The Complete Recordings ships this September. Please keep this confirmation for your records. --------------------------------------------- hell I am not a lawyer either and the thought of deadheads arguing the finer points of contract law with our credit cards in hand is entertaining. Did we sell out or just grow up or give up? Are we just trying to buy back our abandoned dreams for $450? Seems quite cheap if it works ;-)