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Joined:Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
- Oroborous
Joined:Berry interesting!I didn’t know about it being a King B, thought it was local FM etc?
So again, oh boy, come Dave WTF!
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Yeah captcha needs to get fired!
I’ve “failed” several times lately when I was correct and it was not!
Like minivans being considered busses, cars that are in frames but captcha misses, etc
“Captcha, yer fired” in best dumpster fire voice..lol - bluecrow
Joined:Yes - MulitisAs memory served, I've thought for a few years that I'd read reference to multitracks for 7/18. So just now did a little search and came across post on deadthinking blog from 1/24/16 on the July '76 Orpheum run. first comment is from a reliable contributor, Light In Ashes, that Dave L. himself has said that they have multitracks for the show. As you know the show was broadcast nationally on King Biscuit flower Hour and I think King Biscuit shows were recorded in multitrack as a matter of course?
Gonna have to dust off my copy of DaP 18 plus bonus disc from previous 2 nights and which contain some of my favorite released music from that era. Super way way out there and cool.
recapcha was a real pain in the a** this morning - very drawn out, and at times super lousy pictures - missed once and I'm like what am I not seeing. - Oroborous
Joined:Multi?Is there multis…ooohhhh, “that would be something, really would be something…”
Yeah, as I mentioned, I got the scalpel out this time and there is some hum at times (in left channel) and I think JGs guitar distorts at times, unless I’m thinking of a previous night?
The track changes are sometimes kinda abrupt too, maybe to edit out pesky radio announcers/station ids etc?
Oh, and the sound stage is flipped compared to every other previous show from the year?
I only went with “my” version, but you had me at multis lol
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Come on Dave, why oh why are you hoarding ANY good multitracks at this stage of the game, and don’t just dump it on PD, those deserve more, WE deserve more! Lol
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And, if your gonna make us do recaptcha, PLEASE maybe make the images big enough so blind old people can see it, especially on a tiny device, THanks - bluecrow
Joined:Neophyte High to a GrasshopperI like that! 7/18/76 it shall be! Had a fine tape of Set II bitd but its been ages. Gonna spin the Charlie Miller remaster of the KSAN pre-FM.
Edit - wow that Scarlet!!
Edit - did a cursory A/B with Ashley Bertha remaster and think I like that a touch better. Interestingly sound stage is mirrored for the two? Ultimately a buzz/hum/pre-FM or no are moot points when we get an official release from the multitracks, right??!! - Oroborous
Joined:7/18/1976Been a favorite since I was a neophyte high to a grasshopper!
One of my earliest tapes and this show just keeps getting better!
I thought back in 77 or whenever I got the tape, that this was how they were supposed to sound all the time!
Has the precision and well rehearsed, well played, majesty of the years previous shows, but after slowly working some jams back in, have cumulated in a veritable monster of quick, tight, precise segways and a desert island second set sequence not easily topped!
You get some nice freshy, not overly played numbers at the time like 1/2 Step, Minglewood, Loser, a sweet Candyman as well as excellent versions of the standard fare from June July 76. I let you discover for yourself…
Now I don’t recall a dud in the bunch from Boston all the way through the Orpheum, and the consistency is rock solid, but as could occasionally be the case with the dead, sometimes the first sets though very good, were maybe just a tad less enthusiastic for lack of better word. Some I like to call creepers. They start out ok, but slowly build up to a set closing peak, followed by an excellent, more exuberant second set.
Not the case here. This beast has a top notch first set and a second set to die for.
A prime example of the tight precision, and a always favorite moment, is when they slam back into LIG after one of those neat brief mini drum interludes with such force and precision it’s startling (at volume at least lol) even being familiar for decades. Oh, love JG calling the audible for St Stephen though you can hear Phil is totally heading for Stella Blue…so many moments, so much going on as their in one of those awesome super tight phases when they really listen to each other, tossing subtle cues around, to see what sticks etc…Only thing my greedy ass could add is imagine if there were one of the superb 76 Crazy Fingers and the H/S/F sequence somewhere lol hey, told ya I was greedy!
But enough of my pontificating, get right and become one with one of perhaps the best GD shows of all time!
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Oh, about sources.
I’ve had a good copy from something my cousin picked up on that South American river several years ago called GD SF 1976 The Orpheum Theatre Broadcast on 3 CDs.
Now I’ve stated that this copy is good enough that selfishly/greedily, I’d rather not have it officially released to save the pick for something else. But after giving it more of the scalpel this go round, and knowing there’s Betty’s of at least the last three shows (we know DaP 18 is fo sho) and knowing how ridiculously good many of the gussied up, released Betty’s are…well, I bet I could learn to live with it ; )
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Ok, hoping some will give this one a deep spin or two or three and report back…in the spirit of POTD with DISCUSSION!
Onward!
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In the spirit of “SeventySixtus”, think of it as your patriotic duty ; ) - Forensicdoceleven
Joined:Not knowing anything is the sweetest life......Good morning rockers!!
Pick of the day? Go no further than Kirkwood, Missouri on May 14 1970. Why? Well.......you know.........May 1970.................
Been avoiding the 58 thread. Why? Well............you know....................
I was born not knowing and have had only a little time to change that here and there.......
Rock on,
Doc
Being at ease with not knowing is crucial for answers to come to you..... - Shimanto
Joined:I agree on picking something…I agree on picking something and listening together. I have a big collection of Lossless recordings a good many of which are HD. I have Apple Music, a Dave’s Picks subscription and all. Why would I need a subscription to Play Dead? I got one just to check it out. Good God! Even though I am familiar with HD, I have a good DAC, amp, speakers etc. so I know the benefits of HD. Play Dead has blown me away and I haven’t even put it through the DAC yet. I have just been listening via USB in the car and with wired Apple earbuds. I don’t know if it is only in my head or what. It all sounds so great, I can’t believe it. Today 4/24/78 and Workingman’s 50th. It is like the heavens opened up and gave me a new form of music. Is this happening to anyone else or am I having some kind of freak out? It is so amazing. Every note is so clear. Phil’s bass is so detailed. I need a reality check to be sure I am not losing it.

Dick's 18
In process and it has been a while. Sound quality from my perspective is somewhat lacking. Love the Dupree's, It's all over now, good Passenger, Brown Eyed Women. Just finished Eyes, really good. Again, wish the sound quality was better.
Thanks Bolo and Mary!
Listened to DiP18 within the last week
Disc one is fun (it's a mix of several shows, me remembers...CR&S is always welcome)
Disc two is sublime. Eyes, Playin' > Wheel > Playin'. I do notice some sound quality issues at times, but they are not horrific and permanent. I remember the Playin' is good as always, and then gets reeeeeeally good
Disc three is phenomenal. As I listened recently, I remember smiling at the glory of the show. Scarlet > Fire, Truckin' > The Other One > Wharf > Around
the Madison show took place about 50 miles north of where l lived at the time. but since I was in 8th grade, I had no clue or awareness of that fact.
Uni-Dome 2/5/78
One of my favorites Scarlet>Fire's of all time.... Also love the Samson when after a prolong opening jam Weir does the woohoo type of shout out!! I've posted about the Scarlet>Fire before but there is a Jerry Keith chord interaction after the singing in Scarlet that for me is mind melting!!! Good first choice Bolo... One last ramble, for me this show 2/5/78 is in my mind is the last show of 77... The April tour after this has a different vibe..
Dicks 18....
....listened to the first disc last night. Cold Rain, All Over Now, Duprees and BE Woman all top shelf renditions. Man. Iowa got all the good shows. Will start up disc two a little later.
Thats the show with the extended Samson due to Bob's mic difficulties, correct?
Dick's 18
A few momentous stand outs for me: The Music Never Stopped; this version easily made it onto a "best of" compilation early on and has never been supplanted. Fight me. Also, the Estimated > Eyes of so so good. Beautiful elongated Eyes intro, then just mad jamming all the way through, nice upbeat Eyes tempo. Great exploratory Estimated as well. I love the drop into Eyes here; expertly pulled off. The Scarlet > Fire is very awesome too. Long, jammy. Nothing new here, just adding my love.
Nice idea.
Sixtus
Eyes just started....
🔥....🔥....🔥. Its a keeper.
Slipping this in....
https://www.justgivemepositivenews.com/
....because.
Dicks 18 -How long have we got?
The first thing I noticed is that it features two nights, but unless I am looking in the wrong place, there is no indication which nights which songs are from. I could have checked in Deadbase...but that's upstairs and as I was settled down to listen I didn't bother. It looks like one first and two second sets.
I have just played the first cd so far. Coming from Europe 72, this sounds a lot simpler rhythmically. During Spring 72, you can focus on Bill, Phil, Bob, or Keith - as well as Jerry obviously-and they are all playing with energy and imagination. Here, the focus is more just on Jerry. I like his fiery guitar sound on here, but I am not as keen on Bob's sound. Donna, on the other hand, sounds nice on Looks Like Rain. I prefer this version of Good Lovin to the ones played in 72. It sounds almost calypso-a real celebratory sound.
The cd picks up pace nicely on the last three songs, with great guitar solos from Jerry. It seems a bit more like standard "rock" in a way, compared to the swing they had with one drummer and a fully functioning Keith. I enjoyed listening to it, but I will probably leave the first of the set 2s for tomorrow.
Dick's 18
Not much left to say LLR crackled like a thundercloud!
Spring Tour '78....
....Jerry fresh off his laryngitis. The crackling in his voice during Wharf Rat proves it. His voice was never the same, but still rocks my soul.
Trey Pistachio dropped another song. "Are You There Colleen?". With a message of getting off drugs. Methinks Colleen was his dealer back in the day. Might be wrong. Never right.
I had a dealer back in the day. Name was Chill. Called him from payphones. That was a long time ago though. Thank God.
1978 Dick's Picks 18
At the start of 1978 I'd sort of lost interest in the Dead, having last seen them in 74. 78 was my fifth year in college (yeah I know) and I was way more into jazz than rock in large part due to an awesome jazz club on campus, the Backdoor. The place just had a constant stream of major talent coming through. McCoy Tyner, Charlie Mingus, Elvin Jones, Roland Kirk etc. So in early January I see the Dead are gonna be at Golden Hall so my girlfriend and I say "What the hell?" and I get tickets for 1/07. Now in 78 the Dead were not that big of a draw and I wasn't expecting much, sort of a nostalgia trip. Wrong. They were great, just awesome. So after the show we immediately get tickets for 1/08. These were the Bobby songs only nights but that didn't matter a bit. My girlfriend (now my wife) cried during Looks Like Rain. We were back on the bus until 85 when the arrival of our first kid changed everything. Footnote to that is our last show was a week before his birth and she was major prego and treated like royalty by all you wonderful heads. So I love DP 18 and I especially like the Eugene show release. Stay home.
Want to try Dave's Picks 11... 11/17/72 for tomorrow??
Has any recommended a show for tomorrow? Just throwing it out there... or just say "Don't be programming it baby let's just get it on!" bob t
Dave's 11
In on that one Bob T. What a show.
DaP 11
Nice! I'm overdue for a listen.
RE: DP18, agree with Jim - Brown-Eyed Women is PERFECT! For that matter, so is TMNS - powerful! And then there's disc 3. If I had to rescue only one single disc from my burning house, this one would be in the running. That Scarlet/Fire is a half-hour blissfest, Truckin' is solid, TOO is insanely good. Masterful music!
On to Wichita!
That Dicks 18 TOO....
....has metal influences. Garcia tapping into his inner Iommi. My ear told me so.
Wichita this soon into the game? Bold move Cotton. Let's see how it pans out.
Vguy
Love the Dodge Ball reference!!
I forgot there is a good hour of OK City 11/15/72
On the Wichita show.......
Social Listening
It seems like trying Europe 72 date by date has the momentum.
Daverock - DP18 show/song breakdown
funny how they didn't list out what shows the songs are from. even funnier, the songs in Disc 1 are actually from 3 shows - Its All Over Now and Duprees are from 2/4/78 Milwaukee! The Wikipedia entry for DP 18 lays it out if you're interested. Deadbase IX also lists a soundcheck of Ripple x3 in Milwaukee - what the heck is that??!!
As others have noted, among many highlights a great Music Never Stopped and Eyes of the World from 2/3 - love the super long intro to Eyes, it reminds me of a post-hiatus favorite, 6/8/77. They Love Each Other is fantastic. The 2nd set from 2/5 is just wild. Such a raw sound to the Wolf! Would love to see released the Uptown shows that immediately proceed this. Worth noting how rare The Wheel was at this time - 2/3 was first time played since mid fall '77, another year until played again on 2/17/79 (Keith & Donna's last show), and then another year and a half before it finally re-entered regular rotation.
A couple technical notes - based on Dick's Caveat Emptor, 2/3 appears to have been recorded at a slower tape speed (7.5 ips vs. 15), and so the sound quality is a bit rougher. Also, IIRC, there is an unpatched gap (sad face) in the jam between verses 2 and 3 in Eyes of the World. There's a very nice audience of 2/3 on the Archive if anyone wants to hear that.
Now on to Wichita!!
DP18
After listening to almost 4 hours of insanely wonderful music, the overriding conclusion is that, in my opinion, NO ONE can play guitar like Garcia did. At times subtle and nuanced, at other times raging, but always just exactly perfect within the context of the song they were playing. Remarkable, really. Feeling blessed to have experienced GD/JGB live so many times.
Garcia may not be the "best" guitarist (highly subjective, as most of those inane "best of" polls demonstrate), but he is the only guitarist I can listen to every day. That includes Hendrix, Page, Clapton, Gilmore and whoever else you want to throw in there.
It's grate to be a Deadhead!!
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3p838b
MHammond12
Recommend multi-tasking and do both!
Bolo
You're a harsh taskmaster! Listening to Grateful Dead concerts will continue until morale improves.
Song breakdown
Bluecrow - thanks for the tip. There were a couple of compilations that came out in the 1990s that featured songs from multiple shows, but didn't indicate in the sleeve notes which song came from which show. Ladies and Gentlemen from April 1971 and Dozin' at the Knick from Spring 1990 were two others.
Bolo/Jerry
Agree 100% with your comments on Jerry, what a genius! The whole band was.
Just finishing up Dave's 11 now. Comments to follow.
Dave’s 11
Dooo, just listened to that last week, for first time, so maybe we’ll sneak another round in after this 71 grease fest we’ve got going on today .....fall 72 is def fo shizzle....
EDIt: MHAMMOND12...whoa. I’m not sure what’s more impressive, seeing the laryngitis shows or all that top shelf jazz in a club setting???
Throw my hat
Dicks picks vol 21 , not the main show the extras , Iko iko > morning dew > sugar magnolia . Absolutely sublime , and without doubt one of the best dew’s 😸
Re: Oroborous
I shouldn't really call the Backdoor a club. It was an empty room on the ground floor of the Student Union and Performing Arts building on campus that the A.S. booking people converted into a small concert venue. Just a stage and corked walls. No seats. No refreshments. Bring your own. The talent that appeared there was unbelievable looking back. Freddie King. John Lee Hooker. Two memories...sitting under McCoy Tyner and watching his right sock working its way down past his ankle has he stomped his foot keeping constant time...Roland Kirk playing the flute with his nose, playing three saxophones at once, playing the piano with his elbows and head, and careening around the room playing saxophone being led by his handler (Rahsaan was blind you know) who had an air raid siren he would blow off in your face if you didn't get out of the way fast enough. And none of this seemed like a gimmick. Bright moments indeed.
Still at work, so no chance to listen to Wichita....
....but i get off in 30 minutes. But then again, that Phish show is on. Decisions, decisions.
Dave's 11 Wichita 11/17/72
This show and bonus tracks from Oklahoma City is definitely top stuff. Sound quality is A+. A great Bear recording! Man, he did great work.
The whole show flows nicely, although not a long second set. Love the Sugaree, Bird Song is awesome, Jack Straw, Box of Rain! Come on. Casey Jones to close the first set and than open with Cumberland. Great Truckin Other One, very unique Other One. Always loved Brokedown Palace and this one they play flawlessly.
I will throw out 12/28/79 Road Trips 3.1??
Let me know Gents.
12/28/79
I like the post-space UJB and Bertha on that one a lot mainly for Brent's harmonies. Overall a classic pick with a lot to like. I might give DP5 (12/26/79) the edge however. That pick is hefty.
Always a fan of....
....a mid-set Don't Ease. Hard to find. Found one!!
Brown-Eyed Woman....
....is pretty much the perfect song. 🍻
I Am An A+ Student
Listened to both Dave Picks 11, 11/17/72, and Europe 72, 04/07/72, as assigned by Bolo. Dave's Picks 11 is one of my favorite releases. Great recording by Owsley improved by the treatment of Mr. Norman. Has an incredible Bird Song. Just a wonderful release.
Europe 72, 04/07/72 Wembley just blows it away. Leaves a smoking crater where Wichita used to be. Europe 72 can not be bettered.
Oooooh. I remember this Cumberland!....
....it's toasty.
11/17
This one has a nice slow relaxed build up with some ripping Jerry. TOO than blows the roof off! The only TOO>Brokedown Palace. End of set 2 all great. A perfect prelude to the next to nights.
ps. 4/7 Rips the paint off the walls from the first note. No contest.
Okay Bolo
Okay Bolo, what are your thoughts?
Next show for today?
I suggested 12/28/79. RT3.1
RT 3.1
I’m down, right after my John Prine compilation
Wonderful idea here.
I relocated last week and since that time I have been unpacking as much as I can and maintaining my workload from home. So I have been out of commission here for a while. I came across this pick of the day and I am all for it.
Just to throw a show out there ( not for today) but how about 9/8/73? I have never heard it but Dick Latvala spoke highly of it. It might be nice to give it a listen.
Meanwhile it looks RT 3.1 will it be for today. Maybe I will add 4/8/72 as well.
RT 3.1
Nice - been a while since that one hit my headphones.
MHammond gets a gold star. But what did you listen to AFTER lunch?
12/28/79
I was at this show, it was a blast! Sugaree, High Time, The Music Never Stopped, this show was great from start to finish. This show sounds so much better then Dave's Picks 31 from just a .sound point of view. Yeah, this show was a hell of a lot of fun!
12/28/79
Sugaree lovely, the rest of the set is okay Music rocks! Set 2 Alabama grooving, GSET explosive!, Terrapin super sweet jam, PITB end jam is sick!, UJB outta drums/space yes!, short Miracle, Bertha>Good Love, CJ , OMSN rockin!
Wait for me!!!!!....
....on it. (I'm the tour buddy still in the car doing bong rips as y'all are heading to the gate.)
My time to SHINE!...
https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1983/09/10
Santa Fe Downs. Give me this. But for Friday. I'm working tomorrow, but off Friday.
I've stood at Santa Fe Downs and looked east. The view is spectacular.
Whats all the hubbub, bub?
It's got a Music opener and a Cold Rain encore. Warts and all.
Things are strange outside. Bird Songs all day.
edit. Found something!!
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/grateful-dead-jerry-garcia-favourite-song/
Spoiler alert. Row Jimmy. Also a favorite of Bill The Drummer. It was playing as I read it (12.28.79. Disc one. Track four).
I still don't believe in coincidences.
RT3.1 and DaP11
DaP11: Last half of disc two - the whole He’s Gone thru BDP is incredible
Just starting RT3.1 now , if the first song is any indication of this night, I’m in for something special!
How’s about Dicks 22?
Hendrix Freak threw this one out a couple days ago but yall were onto something else.....it got me thinking about some primal dead, and haven’t had a good 68 fix for a bit....So Wadaya say Laddys?
MHammond: RT 3.1, nice pick. Started to go through the 79 stuff when DaP 31 came out but didn’t make it, rember liking this one more than 31, and yesterday confirmed that. Really need to get to DP 5 from 12/26, it’s been so long for that one. Maybe this weekend I’ll roll that?
VGUY: I’m down with some Santa Fe tomorrow. Heard about this one for years but don’t think I’ve ever checked it out. Plus 83 would be a nice change up here....
RT3.1
12/28/79! Is this the best RT release? Maybe, certainly the best 79 release from the Vault so far. Betty did another excellent job here.
I like this release more and more every time I listen to it. Sound quality is A+.Sugaree opener! Different feel to this show without Keith and Donna, but I dig it. Brent's keyboards really shine. Really good flowing Terrapin, Playing, UJB. The show closers are fun and groovy. Makes me want to get up and dance.
And then there is the bonus disc, from 12/30/79. 10 additional songs of bliss. Scarlet Fire, Let it Grow, Truckin! Sweet.
Would love to see more 79 and of course 80. The early Brent years! I know the Chicago release didn't match this release but 79 has a lot to offer.
Yesterday I also listened to 9/1/79. Not an official release, but again great 79 sound.
If you have not heard it, check it out.
Looking forward to our next pick. Let us know!
Re: Oroborous
I can't take credit for that pick. I'm trying the Europe 72 night by night thing and I'm already behind.
Dicks 22 is today, correct?....
.....hoping 9.10.83 gets listened to tomorrow.
12-28-79
Playing now.
Is that today’s pick?
First got this on cassette in mid-90’s and loved it right away. Then got a CD-R copy. Was really happy to get it as a commercially released CD.
This show needs a Plangentized/Normanized remaster 180g vinyl record store day release.
Edit:
Looks like I’m a day behind. No worries, I’ll catch up.
Pick of the Day
Good to have you kid.
Bolo, what are your thoughts on the last pick. Sounds like the crowd is feeling Dick's 22 for today/ tonight. I will have to sit this one out as I don't have this one. Looking forward to tomorrow's choice.
Be well folks!
Snowed here in MN today☹️