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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #6871
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    Was a radio show for many years on WNEW radio NY. I gather it started about 1935, movie was made under that title in 49. Steve Allen ran the show for a while also.

    Goog the name. The things we can learn here.

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    8/13/75 great choice

    This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t

  • #6873
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    An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.

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    Good stuff!

    JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

    I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

    Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

    Fun Discussions tonight all.

    Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

    Until then be well

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    Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

    Oroborous, appreciate the information.

    Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

    Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

    Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

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    Ha.. Re: Net Wiring

    Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

    But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

    I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

    Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

    Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

    I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

    Nite all.

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    To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

    First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
    SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
    I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
    By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
    Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
    It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
    The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
    Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
    Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

    So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
    - Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
    - Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
    - Research and get best Router you can
    - Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
    This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
    Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
    So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
    Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
    No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
    Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

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    Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

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    Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

    So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

    So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Now when I go shopping I look like the uni-bomber hood up glasses on mask I'm afraid to go to the bank.

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One typo, 3-22-93 was in ATL not Oakland. Don’t know how this site got that wrong.
Oh wait, not surprised that this site has errors.

7-31-74, Promised Land just ended, I have a lot to look forward to while cooking. Probably time for some beer.

....es no bueno. Plenty of alcohol though. Whew!
11.10.73 Bob T says? Twist my joint.
The Kinks were incredible. Every album is different! You go Davies Bros! Reminds me of another band. Too bad they fought so much.

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....is a pic from the 7.31.74 booklet. Look at Garcia leaning back and blowing everyone's minds!! Yup. Kinda like that! Lookit him loving on Wolf.

I wasn’t saying to listen to it tomorrow, I was saying “Hey Dave, how about 12-18-73 for DaP36?”
But that doesn’t mean that you can’t listen to it tomorrow after 11-10-73.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 15:38

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You’re so lucky to live in a cool state.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 15:45

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....list shows attended. Pour some good bourbon, light a preroll and go!
Nevada is a cool state, Vegas mayor notwithstanding.
Prepping the grill for ribeyes.
I fear for my home city though.
I still have Primus tix for July in Vegas.
LMG says 10.6.20 will be a date to focus on. Kept it short and sweet. We shall see.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 15:56

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My vote is for the Winterland show, though Curtis is incredible.

Maybe some Pig and/or Brent shows going forward?

Peace

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 16:45

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Bolo so incredibly envious i think is the word.... 11/10/73, first show wow!! Playing>Uncle John's>Morning Dew>Uncle John's>Playing, I think I would have passed out!!! Did you go the next night??? bob t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 16:57

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Still working my way through this monster. Love the Scarlet opener. Great first set. Nice China Rider. Love the Eyes, WPS.

Every time I listen to this show, I always think the fidelity is just a little off. Doesn't seem to match some of the other 74 releases like Dick's 31, RT2
2.3 or Dave's 9, the May MT show, which are all A+ in sound quality. What do you all think? Do I have a bad copy?

Winterland 73, wow Bolo that is pretty cool that was your first show.
I am in on 11/10/73 for tomorrow.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 18:00

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....I'm representing the Big Rock Pow Wow 5.23-24.1969. Road Trip Vol 4. No 1. I was one year old. Makes sense to me. Music to be birthed by.
You want the grease? There ya go.
Jimbo is especially fond of this release. Hard to argue.
If there are rules to this endeavor, I might have just broken them.

....was ahead of the curve.
Nuances. Jerry flutters the strings at the 1:50 mark of BE Women.....getting settled here.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 07:20

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11/10/73 - Fine start with Bertha, Jerry's solo says it's gonna be a good night out of the box.

BOLO tell us a first show story!

And when you say "official" show, is there un-official shows? Just trying to be hip, on all the jive;)

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 07:44

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Bertha grooving I can see Bolo dancing, Jack, Loser into a beautiful LLR, Deal still climbing, nice Mexicali, wonderful Tenn Jed & El Paso, Fair Thee Well I want to cry, BIODTL, hoping Row J, and Weather Report takes me home.

Set 2 dives right into the deep end. Stella Blue, Truckin' are they teasing Nobodys Fault, psychedelic Wharf Rat

I remember listening to this run when I first got it 11/9 I thought was great, the 10th was okay some nice parts played very well. I think they were holding back some so they could blow everyone's minds on the 11th. It's played with enough energy to carry from 9 into the incredible 11.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 09:04

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... As you can see, being a rock n' roller ain't no bed of roses.

Love these guys! 11/10/73 commencing.

Peace

Set 1 was a real nice trip.

iTunes is telling me I haven't listened to this since 10/11/13 @ 12:41pm & I'm thinking I was probably pretty toasted then based on the time..

I'm really getting a lot out of these revisits... so many days between.

Crazy to think that in 2008 this was the 2nd big Box Set of a run of shows released. Previously planned for 2006 release, who remembers waiting?

Brokedown Palace 1 of 7 from '73.. real good.
Weather Report Suite was so good too.
(little tape flutter I'm hearing in there?).

Time for a Set Break.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 11:05

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What show are we doing today, Winterland 73 or Big Rock Pow Wow? I'm so confused...

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 12:17

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I would be right at home at this one. Can't wait till tomorrow.

This site thinks I'm a robot. Do I look like a robot?

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 12:21

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I got a rabbit sits out front of the house everyday listening to the tunz. Them must be some good picks.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 12:39

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Dillon Stadium had some kind of dynamic effect on the band. Exploratory China Cat /I Know you Rider . , think about 50 year anniversary of Harper College May 2 next Saturday . Considered one of the most amazing Dead concerts of all time.
Mark me down for Seminole Powwow, Alligator land.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 14:56

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November 73 is so damn good. This show is awesome. Again, the focused listen to get through the whole show in one day is fun. I will be checking out 11/9 and 11/11 again this week as well.
Sound quality is A+. First Plangent Box, what a great job and partnership with Dave and crew.

Always like hearing a Brokedown Palace. Of course the Playing/UJB/Dew/UJB/Playing sandwich is epic.

Great finish. Big River, Stella Truckin, etc. Casey Jones encore.

And you were there Bolo, wow! What a unbelievable first show.

Great Pick!
Thanks a lot folks.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 15:43

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The sea was angry that day, my friends.

My brother and I arrived at the corner of Post and Steiner, queueing up to enter the vaunted Winterland Arena. It was my birthday present from him, and the first time I'd seen the Dead since 1/14/67, the Human Be-In (thats a whole 'nother story).

As we're waiting to go in, my brother ran into a college buddy of his, Dell Furano, who was working for Bill Graham at the time. He and his brother would go on to form Winterland Productions with Graham the following year.

Anyway, Dell decided that we should see the show from a unique vantage point - a wooden light/camera box perched on the side of the wall with a great view of the band, stage right. We had to climb up a less-than-stable wooden ladder mounted on the wall, and I'm pretty certain we and other friends of the Furanos exceeded the legal weight capacity of said box by at least 200%.

As the show went on, any beer that was confiscated at the front doors mysteriously found its way up to our little box. It was a pretty steady supply for the duration.

During the set break, we found ourselves in the middle of a spontaneous drum circle in the lobby. We were chanting and banging on anything we could find - trash cans, empty beer bottles, etc. After several minutes, a rather large security dude came toward us and pulled a wooden baton out of a hip holster. I thought we were in for it, but he just joined in, banging on a concrete column and grinning widely. The whole scene was as cool as one could possibly imagine - complete bliss!

After the famous Playin' sandwich to launch the second set, well, that was it for me. Plaster from the old ceiling was literally raining down on us as Phil dropped bomb after bomb, and I was in heaven - I'd officially found my seat on the bus!

After the show we hung around for a bit with a few folks, waiting until I felt it was OK to drive. I remember leaving through a side door, and I paused for a couple seconds and peeked out the door, because I wasn't entirely convinced that I was walking outside to the same planet Earth I'd departed a few hours earlier. Turns out my instincts were correct - the world would never look or feel or sound the same to this day. I, like all of you, was granted the extreme privilege of peeking behind the curtain. The soundtrack to my life had been established once and for all, and it's been a glorious journey ever since.

The End.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 16:33

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From where I was standing, I could see directly into the eye of the great fish.

A Great and Well told story!

You just can’t beat that, thank you sir.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 16:54

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"Mammal." "Whatever!"

11/9 Takes most of set 1 to get it dialed in, some roughs spots here and there China> Rider, Playin' pretty good. HCS to open set2.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 17:38

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The "Brokedown" is gorgeous, that whole 2nd disc is great, and the "Wharf Rat" is glorious. It was fun to dive into the boys towards the beginning of 73 (DiP28) and towards the end. What a great year!

I have (surprisingly) never listened to Big Rock, as I missed nearly all of the Road Trip series on the original go through, but I have found a way to stream it - looking forward to hearing what all of the hype is about!

Peace

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 20:27

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....consists of beer brats with medium cheddar wrapped in crescent rolls and portobello mushrooms in a butter/garlic sauce with thyme and parmesian.
Looking for a chateau, 21 shrooms and one to go.
It works.
I'm no cook, but I spent last night at a Holiday Inn. Evens out.
Onto the second set.
Oh. And a merlot.

11/10/73 - Kidd Candelario’s tricked out 2-Track recording of Winterland ’73 along with Bolo24’s wonderful tale and copious recounts and reviews from GD scholars & fans took me there!

Said to be “maybe” the best 2-Track recordings from ’73 in the Vault quality wise

Set 2 Absolutely Rocks and the 1st of 3 PITB > UJB > Morning Dew > UJB > PITB palindrome is definitely the highlight. The rest of the set really sparkles too.
Really rockin’ Big River, nice Stella, top notch Truckin’ > Wharf > Sugar Mags, OMSN.
One of my favorite moments you ask?
Right before the Encore you hear a fan call for “Casey Jones!” and then “Drivin’ That Train…”
Ah.. Winterland that hallowed hall, I wish I knew you!

Ask and you shall be rewarded, right Bolo24?

Such a great first show story. Thanks again for sharing, I liked that firsthand account as much as the revisit, and the two together… Extra Sweet!

Yet another reason ’73 is mentioned as a “best” year for the GOGD.

Alright, onward you say? 5/23 & 24 of 1969 you say? Well, well, well…

After yesterdays revisit of '73 I'd like to hear that 11/11/73 Dark Star again & 11/17/73 DaP V5 Palindrome #2 again

So I’ll toss those two out to the wind and let’s see if they make it into our little revisit list..

But until then I will go with you all to the cosmic year of 1969!

PS - If no-one wants to listen to the two shows mentioned above 11/11/73 & 11/17/73 then, lmk cause I’ll listen to those in my “spare” time;)

ICECRMCNKD - 12/19/73 Complete Show Re-Issue / ReMaster. YES Please!!!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 07:57

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Commencing now.

"Hard to Handle" right outta the gate!

Looking forward to this one... I'll be sure to keep my hands out of my pockets.

Also, got my shipping notice for Jai-Alai - looks like delivery by end-of-day Friday. Good stuff.

Peace

EDIT: Just saw that according to our friend Doc, 4/28/71 may be the best show in GD history. Well, I know what I am going to put on after the Pow Wow!

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Submitted by unkle sam on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 08:43

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What a show the 23rd is, how many times did they do St. Stephen>the Eleven outta Dark Star? This is a really good Dark Star and a very nice Morning dew, what's not to like. Plus I think this is the first Casey Jones. I have been to the Seminole Indian Reservation, went to the Phish show down there for the 1999 new years run, but that's a different story. I can only imagine how desolate and out in the middle of nowhere this show must have been, must have been a gas to drive on Alligator Alley to get to this show. I've also seen Alligators and Indians and have experienced Orange Sunshine, just not all together at the same time :)

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 11:42

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10 was dialed in so from Bertha on the sound was there maybe a few tweaks here and there, they were really able to hear each other very well kinda like 8-24-72 where you can hear all the nuances, and the band played very well. I made it to Eyes from the 9th it was late and things didn't seem to be clicking.

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Submitted by bob t on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 11:43

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Pigpen just heckles the shit out of the announcer.... "You ain't if you don't shut up!!" Listen closely if you never have... I threw a quote out from this show when i requested to listen to the Dave's Wichita 72 show, "Don't be programming it baby let's just get it on!!""" bob t

Running a little late, just getting into Set I of of 11-10-73. Bolo, that's quite the Origin Story!! Such a fun vivid picture to have painted for this collective listen. Wow, the sound is dialed in from the get go. Gorgeous. Another great pick o' the day. Disc 3 from the next night was in the road music rotation for a good while, but even that seems like ages ago. Looking forward to the Big Rock Pow Wow - that sequence with He Was A Friend Of Mine is sweet!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 12:00

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The Spirit's are alive! The Katcinas here.

This show sound dialed I can hear everything twice the band is playing great, Dark Star through the roof. What i like most about the era is it goes right into it. Bear was The Sound Man I guess everybody else learned it from him.

When life gives you lemons you go put on Pow Wow from '69.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 12:00

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I enjoyed today's listen - though I must admit that I did not do the back-to-back 30~min. "Lovelights."

"Death Don't" is a track that I need to listen to more often - one of my favorites from the earlier days, and I thought this one was haunting and perfect.

I too was at the Phish 1999 NYE shows in the Everglades, and yes, I did see some gators. What a trip it must have been to be there in 69.

Good stuff. And yes, the band really did seem to give that announcer hell.

Peace

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 12:19

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Sounds real nice. I hope that the 24th sounds good too but this Lovelight is pretty good.