Dave's Picks Volume 36: Hartford Civic Center, Hartford, CT (3/26/87 & 3/27/87)

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"And with this incredibly tight batch of prime 1987 Grateful Dead, we’re thrilled to bring you Dave’s Picks Vol. 36, matching the number that will be forever tied to Dick’s legacy. Thanks for sticking around this long, and for joining us through these past nine years of archival live Grateful Dead releases." - David Lemieux

We're doing things a bit different for this one - two complete shows on four CDs, bringing you one of Dave's faves and what very well could have been one of Dick's Picks. Yep, back-to-back nights from peak era 80s - the furthest we've gone into the decade, in fact - that will bring you to joyful tears. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 36: HARTFORD CIVIC CENTER, HARTFORD, CT (3/26/87 & 3/27/87) delivers emotional takes on tracks like "Row Jimmy," "Black Peter," Uncle John's Band," and serves up a hit list of covers ("In The Midnight Hour," "Good Lovin'," "Desolation Row," "Promised Land," "Little Red Rooster," "Morning Dew," Johnny B. Goode") that'll have you hootin' and hollerin'.

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, this one has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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October 16, 2020 - 11:53am

#951

DrDarkStar

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Spring 1987 - Jerry rising like a phoenix from the ashes...

Caveat of bias: I attended both shows and several others on this tour. The Spring '87 tour was very high energy, and reflected Jerry 'rising like the Phoenix from the ashes of his opioid-induced haze culminating in his diabetic coma. The shows were all short, but many were very well-played.

The first night of Hartford was one of the best played nights of the tour, others including the first night of Philly, the first and third nights of Worcester. Every song in both sets is played pretty much flawless, albeit too short. This was typical of that tour. Short but sweet songs and sets. Highlights (for me) were the Midnight Hour opener, a really powerfully sung He's Gone (Jerry's vocals throughout the first night are really strong), and a gorgeous Black Peter.

The second night was the night for "Touch-heads." It was a party atmosphere, and the setlist was standard. Hard to complain about a second set Cumberland though. The post-Space Uncle John's>Dew with a JBG encore was a great way to end the second set. Overall, the second night was less "on" IMO, but was really fun. The Touch of Grey, however standard, was inspiring because we all knew Jerry was BACK.

The circulating boards have always sounded like a matrix to me, and the brief sample I listened to seems to indicate the same matrix source material. Am hoping the discs sound better...
October 16, 2020 - 11:45am

#952

Deadheadbrewer

Joined:
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My GD Taper Friend

I have a friend who has EVERYTHING. Once a year he asks me for $100 for blanks and postage (B&P), and then he goes through his thousands of tapes and picks out four shows that really float his boat. He's busy, so he can only send me a copy of a show every three months or so. He does his best not to burn me out on any one period, so he avoids sending me, say, three June 1976 shows in one year. If he does get really excited about those three 1976 shows, then he gives me the option of sending more B&P money.

When he does send the shows, he has his friends do some sweet art on the inserts, and goes through his tapers circle to find the lowest-gen copy out there. He routinely upgrades the equipment used for making the copies. For the sets that are all from, say, July 1978, he puts them in crazy-cool containers and loads the containers with old ticket stubs and tour programs.

What do I do when I get the shows? I complain.
I complain that the show isn't from my favorite year, even though he's sent me 26 of the 40 shows from 1974, and 32 of the 60 shows from 1977. 1972? Only 34 of 82.
I complain that the sound could be better.
I complain about the art.
I complain that he's too corporate.
I complain that he's charging too much.
I complain that it took many days for the shows to reach me.
I complain that he gave me only two months to send my B&P money.

Despite all that complaining, he sends me a song a day for all of November--free! He gets excited about nuggets he's heard whilst perusing his shows, and just sends me a treat every day for 30 days. My B&P money ensures that he can maintain his tapes and keep sending me songs and shows and sets, but I sometimes feel like I should begrudge him that $100 (although, come to think of it, I spent $100 on a mediocre restaurant meal just the other day . . . ) or that I should stop sending him that money, but just hope that his interest in the project continues. Maybe I should require him to tell me in advance which shows he's sending before I'll give him a nickel?

He's enriched my musical life beyond anything I could have dreamed of, but I often get this nagging feeling that he's really out to screw me.

DaP36? Believe it if you need it . . . if you don't, just pass it on . . .
October 16, 2020 - 11:34am

#953

wissinomingdeadhead

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SOLD OUT

& that's that!!!!
October 16, 2020 - 11:34am

#954

JimInMD

Joined:
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Re: Noah Webster

First.. great Noah Webster reference Jimbobwe, I bet you are right. I thought of Hartford Court Publishing (didn't they make school books?), but I did not research this and have no idea if there is a correlation, I bet you are right. I assumed they were claims manuals and volumes of insurance policy and procedure manuals. (kidding, but the streets in Hartford are paved with insurance money).

I'm not terribly surprised this sold out. A little quicker than I might have thought, but I suspect subscription sales were high this year. It seems like each subsequent release though the course of the year sells out more quickly.

It will be interesting to see what this does to subscription sales come November and December. ..not that I care, I'm sure to pony up for another year come November.
October 16, 2020 - 11:17am

#955

daverock

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Sold out?

Crikey...maybe I'd better subscribe again after all !
Mcgrupp- liking The Dead from 1968-1974 only doesn't necessarily mean you like them less rather than more. Their music in that timespan transcended measurable limits. A bit like how the Tardis, in Dr Who, looks small from the outside and is vast inside.
October 16, 2020 - 11:03am

#956

Colin Gould

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Sold out quickly

Considering no one likes the 80’s this set sold out really fast.
Everyone has a choice. If you only like a subset of the band then don’t subscribe and pick up the shows you want separately. You then take the chance that you won’t get them and you will pay over the odds on eBay, Even if you do get them at dead.net then you’ll pay the going rate at the time. Subscribing at the early bird rate is the cheapest way of getting the DaP series but you will get shows from eras that don’t excite you.
I subscribe because I want them all even if some are better than others. They all have some interest to me. Of course, I never saw any shows so what do I know.
October 16, 2020 - 10:29am

#957

Jimbobwe

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Cover Art - Books Reference

I see people asking about the Cover Art and "books" reference. Noah Webster the "Father of American Scholarship and Education" was from Hartford, CT. Apparently his "Blue-Backed Speller" books taught five generations of American children how to spell and read. I would imagine he is the inspiration for the cover, however Mark Twain also lived in Hartford for a period of his life.
October 16, 2020 - 10:26am

#958

mcgrupp216

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Meanwhile, it's Bobby's bday!

Throw on 10/16/89. Another superb October, btw.
October 16, 2020 - 10:17am

#959

mcgrupp216

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Right on, MARINSMITH.

If you pretty much only like the dead from years 68-74, then you actually dislike them more than you like them. And that's OK!

I took a deep dive these past couple of weeks into Oct. '84 and was rather surprised by how much I liked it, especially the dark Playin' jams. I did the same with Oct. '94 last year. Really dug those shows. I honestly feel like 10/1/94 ranks among one of the best shows from all of the 30 trips.

At any rate, I subscribe because I want them all. Still waiting for the Vince era shows, by the way. Perhaps next year? In the meantime, I'll gladly take the '73, '74, or '77 that seems due to kick things off in 2021.

1- 77
5- 73
9- 74
13- 74
17- 74
21- 73
25- 77
29- 77
33- 77
37- ??
October 16, 2020 - 10:11am

#960

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Repost

"Count me in as skeptical. This release seems like Dave’s gift to himself. I saw six shows of this tour, including the first night of Hartford. None of them were overly memorable. More like a few highlights here and there. Have not listened to any of that tour since seeing the shows. If I recall, 3/26 had a cool Midnight Hour/Cold Rain opener, a nice Birdsong and a high energy China/Rider.

Dave has done a superb job, but the supply of quality shows is certainly dwindling. I will give the subscription one more year and then likely revert to a la carte."

This is my post from a couple of weeks back. Essentially saying the same thing as Doc, just maybe not as eloquently.
I'm a math guy, not an English major. I wasn't attacked. Even if I was, I could care less.

Not bashing the band or anyone's favorite era. Just stating an opinion and my preference. I only saw the band in the 80s and 90s. Brent was without question the driving force for many of those years. As was said, seeing them live, his keyboards never seemed to overwhelm the band. Now that I hear the recordings years later, I can't tolerate that plinky, overbearing sound. Simple as that. And I certainly don't want to pay for it. To me, the MIDI and all the other gadgetry makes it even worse.

Folks on here comment about Donna's shrieking, yet they rarely if ever get criticized. I was never able to see the band during that era, but I doubt it came across that way live. Regardless, it was how the band sounded at the time as they evolved. I'll stick to that era and earlier.

One other thing that was correctly pointed out. Dave played these shows on Sirius earlier today. If the crowd noise is as prominent on my stereo as it was on the radio, no chance these shows ever get a second listen.

For all you later era fans, do yourself a favor and write down a list of your favorite songs. Then right along side of each one, jot down the year it was first performed. Things get pretty sparse after 77.

Just remember, as I was told many years ago:

Don't listen to the band through rose colored speakers.

AND

The scene was always better before you got there.

Enjoy.

John Perry Barlow

John Perry Barlow

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"And with this incredibly tight batch of prime 1987 Grateful Dead, we’re thrilled to bring you Dave’s Picks Vol. 36, matching the number that will be forever tied to Dick’s legacy. Thanks for sticking around this long, and for joining us through these past nine years of archival live Grateful Dead releases." - David Lemieux

We're doing things a bit different for this one - two complete shows on four CDs, bringing you one of Dave's faves and what very well could have been one of Dick's Picks. Yep, back-to-back nights from peak era 80s - the furthest we've gone into the decade, in fact - that will bring you to joyful tears. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 36: HARTFORD CIVIC CENTER, HARTFORD, CT (3/26/87 & 3/27/87) delivers emotional takes on tracks like "Row Jimmy," "Black Peter," Uncle John's Band," and serves up a hit list of covers ("In The Midnight Hour," "Good Lovin'," "Desolation Row," "Promised Land," "Little Red Rooster," "Morning Dew," Johnny B. Goode") that'll have you hootin' and hollerin'.

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, this one has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Dick L praise

I did a little homework (Grateful Dead Miscellany) and Dick L had high praise for these shows: 10/18/72, 9/7/73, 9/8/73, 10/25/73. Of course there are many more but a lot of the others have been released already. These four shows I mentioned are ones that have not yet seen the light of day, but are ones Dick was very positive towards them. For 1977, Dick L also felt the Cornell was over rated, such that he had praise for just about any 77 show that wasn't Cornell. The standouts being ones that have not been released (at least in their entirety) included much of the October run. Of course 10/11 is in there but he referenced several others that were at least represented to some degree on the Road Trips Oct 1977 release.

Its fun to speculate what Daves #38 could be. However with #36 on its way along the AB bonus of 2/18/71 coming as well, I am going to be busy taking those in.

p.s. The Allman Brothers recently released two 2 shows: one from 7/19/05 in Erie PA and Duane's last show ever on 10/17/71 titled The Final Note. I got both - i have only listened to the Erie show once so far. The band themselves had high praise for it. Personally I think it is good. The 10/17/71 show is an audience tape. I am sure the jamming is great , but I do have reservations about the sound quality. I will find out soon enough.

Jim

Did your peppers come from a Guatemalan insane asylum?

Those night skiing scenes were awesome. I used to be able to ski terrain like that. I’m pretty out of shape now.....

Peppers

No.. mine were sourced from a much scarier place. The hippie woman down the street.

I do fear it might be a tad too hot.. which was not my intent. Still hopeful though, this is just phase I in the process.

My cider seems to be coming along nicely. I am thinking of going for a DHBrewer hat trick and cranking out a big batch of beer. They have these new thingies called cryo hops. I had to check them out. So three fermented items and all I need for some kimchi is napa cabbage. Fermenting in the fall is fun.

Hot Stuff....

....I love the spice.
Carolina Reapers are hotter than ghost peppers. I know.

Carolina Reaper

Here's a new recipe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy2d07r7HpU

That's a spicy meatball.

Carolina Reapers

I grew a bunch of Carolina Reapers last year. I got the seeds from the Pucker Butt Pepper company. Ed Currie is the man who invented the Carolina Reaper,,Smokin Ed. They are way to hot for me, I gave them all to a friend who owns a restaurant. I've grown Bhut Jolokias and Red Savinas before, also both way to hot for me. My favorite pepper is the Serrano, they are more than hot enough for me.

Dave's Picks Volume 36

I really hope they don't make a habit of creating these matrix recordings. Very disappointed with this latest release. Could have been an amazing release.

Re: Matrix Recordings

Hartford is remastered from the Healy two track cassette masters.

For many (most) shows in these years the PA was used and an added audience mic patched in and added to the mix. He called them Ultramix masters. So for these years, this is the soundboard, it's the best we have. It's not a choice by Dave or Jeffrey Norman to create a Matrix.. You cannot remove the audience component from these boards, they are baked in for all eternity.

Baked in for all eternity

Sounds like Grateful Dead and my synapses.

Fermenting

I recently got a 3 liter crock and have my first batch of kimchi going.
Mmmmm.....

Kimchi

I'm using half gallon large mouth mason jars w/ fermentation lids. All my batches have turned out quite good.. Spicy.

re: Peppers

Jimmy, I'll await my bottle of your Deadhead Rapids Run Hot Sauce upon bottling.

It will be COD delivery, so you'll be well compensated.
.....I'm waiting.

Sixtus

Re: Re: Matrix Recordings

Good to know. Thanks for that info, and that's what I was kind of thinking. But, since the audience track rises and falls throughout, it seemed like they had complete control over this track (including removing it).

DaP 36 Matrix

Thank you, jiminmd, for your insight about the Ultramix masters from this era. Although I lean heavily to clean SBD recordings with just a touch of crowd noise, I'm really enjoying the energy on this release. Even if a cleaner source had been available, I wouldn't bedgrudge Dave one bit for putting out a Pick that probably accurately captures what he experienced at his first show. The guy works hard to identify and get some amazing shows into our hands, so I'm more than happy to let him indulge in a "vanity project" from time to time. Onward to DaP 2021!

When you say a "PA recording…

When you say a "PA recording" does that mean Healy recorded the sound coming over-the-air just like any taper? It does sound that way. Why would he do that if he was at the soundboard and could have just recorded the mix directly and then patch in the audience levels to his liking?

Matrix

A true matrix is using a soundboard recording and a mic recording and blending them to compensate for the inherent idiosyncrasies in both. If it’s done well it’s awesome, if not.....

Shipping notice received...

....eta Monday.

Matrix recordings

I do a lot of audio recording and post-show mixing for a live band, and I'd like to respond to a few comments about the audio. One person said with certainty that unrelated audience noise was patched-in (like a laugh track - LOL), others not happy that the audience noise is so high.

I can tell you that it's not that easy to manipulate the audience noise itself. I haven't gotten the release so I haven't read the liner notes, but I'm guessing they "matrixed" this mix from the soundboard and a separate audience taper recording. "Matrix" means they sync up the two recordings so you get the best qualities of both recordings. Soundboards tend to have great vocals, keys and drums, but the recordings tend to be very bland, with keys and vocals much higher in the mix (since the guitars' stage amps are already blaring). But when you add in the audience recording to balance out the instruments (pulling the guitars forward in the mix and adding room ambience), you're necessarily adding audience noise as well... you can't suppress it.

The exception to the "soundboards usually don't sound great" is, of course, Betty's mixes from the 70's, but that's because she was NOT mixing the room sound/PA. Her husband was doing that. Betty ran a parallel board and mixed to the headphones only, balancing the instruments perfectly and then adding reverb to make it sound like a big hall (listen to Cornell where she admits she was a little generous with the reverb - think Jerry's vocals on Scarlet>Fire).

The 80's recordings didn't have the benefit of Betty's parallel board, which is why 80's sbd's by themselves generally sound, um.... "not as good as the 70's Betty shows". (Spacebro may disagree, which is fine - respect)

So basically the point is that the audience is likely that loud because they were focused on balancing the sources to get the music (regardless of the audience bleed thru) sounding as presentable as possible. I agree that made the audience a little louder then I'd like - kinda distracting. This is why we should all say a little thank you to Betty Cantor Jackson every night before we go to bed.

EDIT - I just re-read JimInMD's comment. He said Healy would use an audience mic and add that to the room mix DURING the show... I may be wrong Jim but my understanding is that the matrix (or "ultramix") recordings were created after the show so they didn't sound like sh__ on playback. I'd be shocked if they were feeding the audience mics back into the PA - that would invite feedback, echo, and time-blur headaches. But I could be wrong.

3-26-87 Review

I had a chance to listen to the first show through my stereo system last night. Usually I listen through headphones, so it was harder to gauge the sound quality, but i still got a good handle on the show overall.

Midnight Hour - Great surprise to open the show and the crowd loved it. According to Deadbase they played this about 30 times, with half from 66-71 and the other half scattered about from -'82-'93, but 7 times in '85. Bobby gets the vocal chords stretched out early.

Cold Rain - The crowd is clearly pumped to see and hear Jerry and he gets a big cheer for his first tune and his first and second solos. This is one of my favorites and its well played.

CC Rider - In the standard position. I can hear Phil's bass well and Brent has a nice solo about halfway in. The energy level is still up until

Row Jimmy - kid of plods. I was never a huge fan of this tune, but its pretty well played.

Esau/Push Comes to Shove - gets the crowd back into it. Two newer tunes both played well and the energy level rebounds. Jerry has to nail the lyrics on PCtS for a good version, and he does it pretty well here. Not as good a version as 7-12-87, which is the best i've heard them play the tune. Always great to hear Esau.

Desolation Row - Well played and sung and it moves by pretty fast given how many words are in it. For my money, no version will ever touch the Dylan studio cut, with Bloomfield's fills and Dylan's delivery, but Bobby does the tune justice.

Bird Song - Nice jamming here. Solid non-72 Bird Song.

Promised Land - Promised Land is Promised Land.

I got a beer and took a wiz during set break. No lines was nice. The dog was in my seat but I asked him nicely and he moved.

China/Rider - Always welcome. I prefer '73-'74 but this was nice and smooth.

LLR - I really like this tune and this version stood out to me. The pace was a little faster than usual and the song was very well played. Good solos. Good bobby vocal embellishments.

He's Gone - Crowd was into this one. Nice placement and playing.

Drums -> Space - Drums was pretty uneventful for the first half. I can get into a good drums but this one didn't really do it for me, at least until the second half. Space was perfunctory.

Miracle - Well played. Short and to the point.

Black Peter - Crowd was into this one, along with He's Gone the crowd was feeling this, given Jerry's comeback. Always nice to hear this tune in place of Warf Rat or Stella.

Around/Good Lovin - Double dose of Bobby to close out the second set. Good energy and playing.

Quinn - Great encore.

I think the crowd noise really added to the good vibe of the show. The more I hear '87 the more i like it. I'm happy to have this show. Ill revisit along with the Giant's stadium show and the Sept 18 MSG 30 trips show.

Show packaging is nice. The 4th disk has a proper home. They didn't try to jam the disc in the usual format Dave's picks - they redesigned it for 4 discs. One might expect this, but given some of the customer service snags we've seen over the years, it wasn't a guarantee. Solid late 80s Hartford hippy pics and a Lemieux narrative rounds out the accotrements. And I suppose i'd be remiss to not mention the pic of the 3-26 setlist at the end of the booklet, which I hope was scribbled by an offspring of the band or crew, but fear could be the handiwork of one of the band members themselves.

On to 3-27!

Matrix

So this is an audience recording made at the mixing board instead of the taper’s section?

Hot Sauce preference

Rapids Run Hot Sauce>Rapid Runs Hot Sauce

re: Wilfred

....you make an excellent point; I see what you did there.

We'll need to get Jimmy's word on this once he has consumed the sauce and reports back.

Sixtus

baked crispy with crisp-go

Giving the release a first, casual listen. Using When Push Comes to Shove to get me mentally settled in for a date tonight.... been quite a few years since I've done this!

So a closer listen will have to wait until the weekend (but I did catch a perfectly placed Phil bomb in Row Jimmy).

clever, wilfred t jones

one slight relocation of a letter, and you have a completely different meaning.

united states
untied states

wait, is this the Jeopardy board?

Are you now, or have you ever been a robot?

Dave’s Picks 36

Listening to this as I’m writing, and I’m currently listening to CC Rider. So far, this has been incredible. I love the matrix recording, it is so full. I love how the audience is singing CR&S with Jerry. You can hear the audience, but the music comes through perfectly. This is gonna be a long strange trip...

Organic Massachusetts

Kitchen garden farm in Massachusetts makes a great ghost pepper sriracha. Once you get used to the heat it tastes great. They also have regular, and other pepper kinds for everyone. Check them out online. No plug. I just love hot sauce. They also make them in cute 8 oz sizes too. P.S.- my Dap-36 is coming and cant wait to hear the different reviews by you guys and gals. This is so fun to do especially if you have edibles to enhance the music. You have to love a state where you can shop for anything , like edibles, tinctures, hash oil, shatter and pre-rolls. I never in my life thought this could ever be possible but here it is. Grab a shopping cart and make the impossible possible.

Never Did I Ever

Right on carlo13; I have this conversation with Iggy all the time; "Remember on that show Weeds, where they fast forwarded like 7 years in time in the last episode and weed was legal?" I was like, "man, that would be amazing. Too bad it will never happen."

BOOM!

Four years ago it got voted in and today there's a shop a mile from my house, where I reside on a mountain top in the middle of the woods.
Whodathunkit.

Sixtus

P.S. also good to hear the positive takes on the aud mix in this one. I've never shied away from any of that; it puts me "there".

Sixtus

Sweet. I guess we are both very grateful.

Wordplay

PROUDFOOT

It might be good if the opposing factions could have United Tastes.

Beware...

The burning ring of fire. 🔥🌶️

Ultramatrix

Here’s the description given by Rob Eaton on

http://www.dsoforums.net/forum/topic/20483-sound-board-quality-post-70s/

Posted May 9, 2018
Let me clarify a point on the Ultra Mattix Tapes which started in late 86. There was a pair of AKG 414 mounted in the front of the board on a rail that allowed it to move left or right depending on the center position. These mics we aligned in an M/S pattern. M/S stands for “middle/side”. What this means is one microphone was in a firgue 8 pattern. It is places to each side of the capsule faces left and right. This was plugged into the ultra box which was designed for M/S Recording. The other mic was in a standard cardiod pattern which sat directly above and on top of the other mic in figure 8. After these mics were plugged into the ultra box it would shift phase on one side of the figure 8 and create a 3D audience image. The SBD or Healy’s mix also ran into the ultra box. There was a delay control for the SHD feed to time align it with the M/S mic. Each room was different but at 200-200 feet the time difference is measurable. There was also a control that controlled the blend between the 2 sources. The early ultra mixes were 50/50. The eventually ended up with more of a 70/30 ratio..
hipe that helps. On my phone so if I’ve misspelled or have bad grammar sorry😱

Ultramatrix, part dose

If you use archive or get torrents, the shows that have UM.#####.name are Ultramatrix recordings.

Internet Archive & HiFiMan

The Internet Archive currently has a donor who will match donations 2:1. I know some of you are contributors and this might be a great way for your donations to go "FURTHER".

Also, if you are in the market for some fine headphones, HiFiMan has a great clearance sale going on. Check it out if interested...https://store.hifiman.com/2020-clearance-sale. I've been enjoying their products for quite some time.

Still listening to Dave's 35. It really grew on me. Looking forward to 36 and beyond...
Go to Nassau and the PNW 3cd set have been in heavy rotation

Pulling out Dick's Picks #2 for my annual Halloween listen - been doing it for years.

Last 5/6
Miles Davis - The Lost Septet
Miles Davis - The Lost Quintet
Band of Heathens - Stranger
Jason Isbell & The 400 Unit - Reunions
Little Feat - Waiting for Columbus
Eric Burden & The Animals - Retrospective

Take care!

Re: Thin/Ultramix

I could be quite wrong, but my understanding is that Dan had an aud mic and the soundboard master was essentially a real time matrix.

I could be wrong, but I have my reasons for stating this. That is how it was explained to me. The audience component (if I am right) is baked into the master via an extra feed from an audience mic.

I would be so happy to be wrong, and would love some better data. I know there are lots of folks that know more than I do.

through this world of trouble.. we've got to love one another.

One add. I don't think Dan added an audience component back into the venue sound, that (I think) just went into the soundboard recording.

Thin

No disagreement for the most part. There are some board recordings from later years that stand up to Betty's mixes, particularly when John Cutler recorded. Healy had some nice ones, but yes Betty had a good ear.

Of course Bears and Kidds mixes had their nuances. Have had a lot of time this year to really dig in and appreciate that any of this has continued to come out.

I recieved mine yesterday but haven't dug into it yet. Saving it for Halloween. Seems like a good time to make a party of it.

Regarding matrix mixes I believe that both mentioned techniques are used....live board/live audience mixes and these days people like Charlie Miller sync up good room recordings with pre-recorded board mixes. I believe Dave's Picks Vol. 8 used the latter technique.

Some live recordings had mic mutes recorded live where the crowds cuts in and out of probably bleed through the vocal mics. Some also at times sound "gated". A filter to block ambient bleed through. I'm sure others here could describe this better than I.

Looking forward to my first listen. Perhaps the American Beauty 50th will arrive before Saturday. Could make for a lot of listening.

Matrix Recording

I'm getting a headache reading about this. Just enjoy the music, and get ready for 30 DoD.

Ultra Matrix? Just enjoy the Music!

The Rob Eaton overview of Ultra Matrix that IceCream linked, and Jim's "baked-in, real-time matrix" description both are corroborated in Healy's Wikipedia entry: [Healy] also helped perfect the ultra-matrix soundboard setup which was used by the Dead from 1986 through 1990. Some fans and collectors of the band's live recordings deem this setup to be the band's best-sounding, and most practical. [Some don't ;-) ]

Normal matrixes as we all know are woven together from separate soundboard and audience recordings after the fact, which means a lot more mixing and balancing options are possible. I've always loved the matrixed ambiance on Dave's 8, and the great matrices on the Archive.

My take from our headache-inducing chatter is that for Ultra Matrixes the soundboard and audience feeds were "baked" together as they were first recorded live by Healy. That means that latter day geniuses like Jeffrey Norman are limited when they sit down to remaster an UltraMatrix recording since the aud is now inseparable from the soundboard.

We've probably overkilled this, and as RASTA5ZIGGY says, "Just enjoy the music!"

Dave's 36 scheduled delivery is tomorrow....

....American Beauty also scheduled for tomorrow. Happy Halloween indeed!
Watched Pan's Labyrinth last night. Features one of the most evil bad guys in any movie I've seen. By the end, you just want him to get his just desserts.

Anniversary show 10/30/84. Berkeley Commmunity Theatre

36 years ago today , I was at the BCT for another great show, what a great run of shows.

BCT '84 and 30 Days

BTK, my favorite from the run is 10/28. Good stuff, though I'm partial to the earlier run of October shows from '84: Really like 10/6 (esp. set two), 10/11, of course 10/12, 10/15 (!), and 10/18. Hmm, come to think of it, that's all the shows with PITB. At any rate, Sunday 30-days surprise... is this happening??

Thanks Jeff

I am also a big fan of Dave's Picks 8.

That one sounds great. ..and many thanks to Dr. Bob Wagner, where ever he is.. he brought us a lot of great recordings.

Anniversary show 10/30/83. Marin Veterans Auditorium

37 years ago today I was at the Marin Veterans Auditorium for a rocking Sunday night with the Dead. We all dosed, and had a blast. We ran into a guy dressed like Ben Franklin, he was funnier then hell, he had us laughing until we were in tears. Big fun, great times!

"overkilled?"

Don't sweat it
Get it back to you
Overkill!
Overkill!
Overkill!

- Motorhead

Happy anniversary

Its not often I can make such a post, so I might as well grab the opportunity....30 years ago today, I too saw The Dead. Very exciting it was, too. I had started listening to them in 1975, and saw them twice in 1981, but as they were never covered in the press, I had assumed they split up sometime around 1983. Then in 1987, I can across the Spiral Light fanzine. Through them, I discovered the tapes, so by 1990, I was good to go.

I went to all three nights in London 1990, but tonight's show, playing as I type, was the one I enjoyed most. I was near the front of the stage, and it was barely believable that there, within shouting distance, was Jerry Garcia. I had listened to him and read so much about him over the previous three years that it was hard to believe actually existed-but there he was. Strangely, Row Jimmy Row was a highlight-as was Foolish Heart and to cap it all, Black Peter. I was also thrilled when they played Lovelight - different times-I am not now so keen on Bob led Lovelights, but being there was something else. 30 years ago - wow!

never heard 10/30/83

I have heard 10/31/83, and enjoyed it a lot.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back, I was visting Lysergia. I listened to side two of set two cassette.

Drums into Space into St. Stephen

that was fun :)))

Delivery Times

It’s nice to see these coming quickly and/or early. Got mine yesterday, and was very surprised. Especially since they are notorious for things being shipped out slow and arriving late. Happy listening!

Pan's Labyrinth is great!

Also, not a great movie for psychedelics. Very intense. But such a great movie.

Looks like Election Day arrival for my Dave's, so American Beauty 50th and Port Chester will be on deck once I set my computer back up to be ready for reliving Hampton Hulaween 10/30/10 on the Friday Night Cheese on Saturday.

7/8/78 Werewolves of London. Grateful Dead

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnAr6RWFtY. Happy Halloween

Happy Anniversary Daverock!

I can tell through your words that you can still feel “it” after all these years!

He's Gone

Caution : Spoilers:

Anyone else getting a massive Bird Song vibe on that jam coming out of He's Gone? Almost like they were so into Bird Song in the first set that they blew past this familiar portion; it then explodes from the remnants of the He's Gone chant.
Interesting stuff.

Sixtus

P.S. I love a surprise Saturday morning Dave's Picks arrival

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