• March 16, 2008
    https://www.dead.net/features/release-info/wait-over-winterland-1973-box-has-arrived
    The Wait Is Over… The Winterland 1973 Box Has Arrived!

    Sherman, set the Wayback machine for the second week of November, 1973. The Grateful Dead are on a roll…yes, again! The summer had seen the band playing triumphant mega-shows with the Allman Brothers at RFK Stadium in D.C. and at Watkins Glenn in upstate New York. With their popularity seemingly still escalating by the month, fall tours took them to various East Coast haunts and all over the Midwest. On October 15, they released Wake of the Flood, their first album on their own independent record label, and copies were flying out of stores coast to coast. So the mood in the band was WAY UP when their incredibly busy schedule brought them home for three shows at Winterland in San Francisco November 9, 10 and 11—before they set off again for points East.

    Winterland always brought out the best—and the beast—in the band. Located across Geary Boulevard from the Fillmore Auditorium, the one-time home of the Ice Follies had hosted dozens of amazing rock shows since Bill Graham started putting on shows there in the late ’60s. It’s where the top tier of Bay Area bands would get together occasionally for marathon shows, and it’s where the most popular out-of-town acts—from The Doors, to Hendrix, to The Who, to the Rolling Stones—would play in the era before faceless sports arenas became an unfortunate fact of concert-going life. But nobody played Winterland as often as the Dead. By the time they’d trucked their ever-expanding sound system to the venue for their November ’73 shows, they’d already logged 31 concerts there—and there would be another 28 eventful Dead nights at Winterland before the old place was closed after the Dead’s New Year’s Eve show in 1978, and eventually reduced to rubble to make way for condos. Sure, the 5,000-capacity hall was acoustically challenging and a little frayed on the edges. But with its narrow open floor, shallow lower balcony that encircled the entire venue, its deeper back balcony chill zone, and serpentine walkways between floors, it was a tremendously fun and entertaining place to see a show—especially a Dead show.

    Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings captures the Dead during one of their peak years and absolutely at the top of their game. Spread over nine discs, it includes every note of three complete consecutive shows (save for the encore of November 9, which was not recorded), so there’s plenty here to satisfy every fan: magnificent jams on “Dark Star” (which sprawls to 35 completely compelling minutes!), “Playing in the Band,” “Eyes of the World,” the still-new “Weather Report Suite” and more; kick-ass rockers of every variety (“Sugar Magnolia,” “Casey Jones,” “Johnny B. Goode,” “Truckin’,” et al); haunting ballads including “China Doll,” “Stella Blue” and “To Lay Me Down”; a truly spectacular “China Cat”; and the first of just three versions ever of the dazzling sequence of “Playing in the Band” > “Uncle John’s Band” > “Morning Dew” > “Uncle John’s” reprise > “Playing” reprise. (For a complete listing of the contents of the nine discs, go here.)

    All the music here was drawn from Grateful Dead crew member Kidd Candelario’s crystal clear and wonderfully present 2-track soundboard reels of the shows, and enhanced by the mastering work of the always reliable sonic wizard Jeffrey Norman, who used all sorts of arcane processes to bring it all into the glorious world of HDCD sound. This stuff will rattle your bones! The beautifully designed box also comes with a colorful booklet containing scads of great photos and a fine essay by Grateful Dead historian Dennis McNally.

    We like to think of Winterland 1973 as being part of the noble tradition established by the ecstatically received Fillmore West 1969: The Complete Recordings, and as a precursor for other complete-run boxes to come. So clear out a chunk of space in the ol’ CD case, ’cause this mutha’ is a BIG ONE!

    Don’t delay! You can order Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings right now by clicking here !

    (To help get you in the mood, you can preview some of the music on the Winterland 1973 box by clicking here. And to give you a little glimpse of what Winterland was like, check out this video montage with audio from the ’73 shows and visuals from The Grateful Dead Movie, shot at Winterland a year later!)

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Sherman, set the Wayback machine for the second week of November, 1973. The Grateful Dead are on a roll…yes, again! The summer had seen the band playing triumphant mega-shows with the Allman Brothers at RFK Stadium in D.C. and at Watkins Glenn in upstate New York. With their popularity seemingly still escalating by the month, fall tours took them to various East Coast haunts and all over the Midwest. On October 15, they released Wake of the Flood, their first album on their own independent record label, and copies were flying out of stores coast to coast. So the mood in the band was WAY UP when their incredibly busy schedule brought them home for three shows at Winterland in San Francisco November 9, 10 and 11—before they set off again for points East.

Winterland always brought out the best—and the beast—in the band. Located across Geary Boulevard from the Fillmore Auditorium, the one-time home of the Ice Follies had hosted dozens of amazing rock shows since Bill Graham started putting on shows there in the late ’60s. It’s where the top tier of Bay Area bands would get together occasionally for marathon shows, and it’s where the most popular out-of-town acts—from The Doors, to Hendrix, to The Who, to the Rolling Stones—would play in the era before faceless sports arenas became an unfortunate fact of concert-going life. But nobody played Winterland as often as the Dead. By the time they’d trucked their ever-expanding sound system to the venue for their November ’73 shows, they’d already logged 31 concerts there—and there would be another 28 eventful Dead nights at Winterland before the old place was closed after the Dead’s New Year’s Eve show in 1978, and eventually reduced to rubble to make way for condos. Sure, the 5,000-capacity hall was acoustically challenging and a little frayed on the edges. But with its narrow open floor, shallow lower balcony that encircled the entire venue, its deeper back balcony chill zone, and serpentine walkways between floors, it was a tremendously fun and entertaining place to see a show—especially a Dead show.

Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings captures the Dead during one of their peak years and absolutely at the top of their game. Spread over nine discs, it includes every note of three complete consecutive shows (save for the encore of November 9, which was not recorded), so there’s plenty here to satisfy every fan: magnificent jams on “Dark Star” (which sprawls to 35 completely compelling minutes!), “Playing in the Band,” “Eyes of the World,” the still-new “Weather Report Suite” and more; kick-ass rockers of every variety (“Sugar Magnolia,” “Casey Jones,” “Johnny B. Goode,” “Truckin’,” et al); haunting ballads including “China Doll,” “Stella Blue” and “To Lay Me Down”; a truly spectacular “China Cat”; and the first of just three versions ever of the dazzling sequence of “Playing in the Band” > “Uncle John’s Band” > “Morning Dew” > “Uncle John’s” reprise > “Playing” reprise. (For a complete listing of the contents of the nine discs, go here.)

All the music here was drawn from Grateful Dead crew member Kidd Candelario’s crystal clear and wonderfully present 2-track soundboard reels of the shows, and enhanced by the mastering work of the always reliable sonic wizard Jeffrey Norman, who used all sorts of arcane processes to bring it all into the glorious world of HDCD sound. This stuff will rattle your bones! The beautifully designed box also comes with a colorful booklet containing scads of great photos and a fine essay by Grateful Dead historian Dennis McNally.

We like to think of Winterland 1973 as being part of the noble tradition established by the ecstatically received Fillmore West 1969: The Complete Recordings, and as a precursor for other complete-run boxes to come. So clear out a chunk of space in the ol’ CD case, ’cause this mutha’ is a BIG ONE!

Don’t delay! You can order Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings right now by clicking here !

(To help get you in the mood, you can preview some of the music on the Winterland 1973 box by clicking here. And to give you a little glimpse of what Winterland was like, check out this video montage with audio from the ’73 shows and visuals from The Grateful Dead Movie, shot at Winterland a year later!)

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Another in the can't-do-$100-right-now camp. Plenty of good-enough-sounding delights of 1973 can be obtained elsewise for much less money
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I have waited for this ever since i accidentally discovered that this boxset was scheduled for release two years ago.Man, 1973 was one helluva year. The Dead were on the cusp of their most jazzyfied era but retained the earthbound eclectisism which made '71 and '72 such killers. One of their most spiritual timecode's. Can anyone hear a slight resemblance between '73 Dead and Carl and The Passions/So Tough era Beach Boys? Bring it on, and while your at it, re-release the complete Fillmore West box please!! Come on!
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Why no downloads? That way we save postage, and that way we avoid the dumb and rude customer service when there are shipping problems to the UK. Rhino do downloads of other stuff, and dead.net has most everything available for download, so how come things are going backwards? I mean its not exactly rocket science, is it?
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I want to thank the people at Rhino, Dead Productions and who ever else that was a part of putting this box set together. These shows are great and I can not wait to get this box set. I don't care about the price as this is exactly what most of us where asking for when we were requesting complete shows. Actually this was way more than what I was hoping for, even though the rumor was out that this going to be released for while now. I will be busy listening to this for many months after I receive mine. There is one thing that I also wanted to comment on for a while now: In previous posts in relation to the Road Trips series I have commented, as many others have, that would I like to have complete shows . With those comments, many of us were accused of complaining by many people, but not all, who felt content (I don't know why) with compilations. In turn these people began to complain about those of us asking for the true way to listen to the Grateful Dead. All of these complainers stated in their mini rants that they buy anything that is released and "if you don't like it don't buy it". Well, that was exactly what was done; we did not need that morsel of wisdom to help us come to that decison. I think those of us looking for complete shows did not buy those releases. The point of this is that the requests were heard and we were all rewarded. So I think those who did not like our so called complaining should think twice about posting counter productive comments. This isn't for everyone who commented about this, but as far as I am concerned if you want your music spoon fed to you than that is fine but maybe you should learn to stand up and advocate for things. Good things can happen if people stand for something and keep pressing for it, wether it be getting complete Grateful Dead shows, changing something in your life, or even getting laws changed. Do or do not; there is no try.
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Some people want full shows and runs. I am one of those people. Others, be it for price or preference reasons, want compilations like the Road Trips series, where they don't have to shell out $100 but still get some killer jams and performances culled from a few shows that we'd otherwise never get to hear with that sound quality (and hey, maybe the recording of the entire show wasn't good enough for release). While not my first preference, I'd much rather have access to these performances than not. Rhino has said we will get both...and lo and behold, we have. At least this way, nobody gets priced out and there is something for everybody.
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CMG I'd say that thus far, the Road Trips series has not been very good. It could be, but the selections have been more mediocre than stellar. The first Road Trips was awful; The second one can only be considered good if you get the bonus CD, otherwise it is more run of the mill than exceptional (poor mixes at the time of recording). This is coming from a person who likes the idea of compilations. For the life of me I cannot believe there weren't better recordings of better and more exceptional shows to glean from than what we've gotten thus far. I am going to get this release because it sounds like some exceptional performances, and well mixed recordings (at the time of the taping) on top of it -- plus it sounds like they did a little more than normal in cleaning up the 2-track masters. Greg SC
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Greg I actually do enjoy the RT releases thus far. Regardless, the post I was responding to was about compilations in general, not the quality of the RTs thus far released.
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Yes, I stand by my complaint about the price. The truth is that, after the Rhino deal, the prices went up (from about $7 a cd to $10.) If someone wants to call me an "asshole" for stating my displeasure in this, fine. I forgot that questioning things like corporate business practices goes contrary to Deadhead sensibilities.
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One thing to keep in mind concerning price differences between the Rhino takeover and before is to examine the rate of inflation in the U.S. since the end of the last pre-Rhino release and the current ones. The dollar has dropped almost 12% since then and the cost of materials to make cds has also risen. Crunching the numbers, you'll find that there is still a mark up that can't be explained by either inflation or raw material increase, but it does put the price in a little better perspective. I'm all for putting corporate greed in the light that needs to be shined on it, but you've gotta look beyond the surface to get at the real truth. People are after all *gasp* allowed to make a living selling officially licensed Grateful Dead merchandise. I sure wish I could.
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Okay, you are probably the first one I've talked to who really thinks the RT series has gone well. I guess what I look for in these releases is something I can put in the CD player and listen over and over and over again. I myself have found the only CD from the first two RT releases that has stayed in my car cd player has been the bonus disc from '77. The other ones were quickly filed away permanently, and instead I'd listen to boolegs, or Cow Palace. Hey, I guess these selections have struck a chord with at least someone. That's good. Greg SC
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I remember these concerts, went to two of them myself. Met some wonderful people. Where did they all go? Saw a bunch at Goa Gil, 10 October 2000, I think most are into Trance now, as am I. So glad to see THE DEAD LIVE ON and on and on. Right On! My best wishes to us all, cal/Franklin & B.B.
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Very nice release. Sick artwork. The 1st sets all look really fun. Second sets look pretty interesting to with that Uncle John's Band>Morning Dew. Keep up the good work and please let us know if this is a limited eddition set (I have read that it could be). Thank's!
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the only thing there is to sayevery expensive box set's got a touch of grey/ Seriously, what gives, people? How can anyone dare complain about this release? I can try to understand the outcry of protest when it comes to 'tour sets' like Road Trips, where they try to construct a 'dream show' of typical Dead music from that particular tour. But this is pure, unadulterated, vintage Dead in all it's glory AND it's three consecutive, complete shows. Even you above who wants complete tours released I can't comprehend. This is as good as it gets people! I'm not gonna lie, I haven't given this music a listen yet (except for the free excerpts), but I'm planning on ordering it soon. You know why? Because if this music is anywhere NEAR as high as DPs 1 and 14, then it's worth it. Fall '73 is quickly becoming one of my top 3 eras of Dead music, right up there with the entire year of 1977 and fall 1989 - spring '90. Happy Spring!
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How good is it for deadheads right now? With the recent release of RT2--a stupendous compilation--and now followed hard on the heels by Winterland 73, which people had been crying out for, it's like summertime has come all over again, bye and bye. Now I was wondering if all of us can put our heads together and figure out all the winterland people in the eye-catching artwork of the WL73 release. I'm such a latecomer to the dead (first show 76) that I can only figure out the obvious ones, but I can at least get us started. If anybody can figure out some of the others or correct my mistakes, I'd appreciate it. here goes, counterclockwise from the top just left of the iris: Dire Wolf Anubis John Wilkes Booth Billy Shakespeare Charlton Heston and ? from POTA Mona Lisa Moses Captain Peace America Jesus Abe Lincoln Dire Wolf Again Martian Bacchus/Dionysus Casey Jones (?) Vincent Wyatt Earp (?) Wake fo the Flood Guy Einstein Chevy Chase as Jokerman? Bill Graham Aoxomoxoa Skeleton This dude in hat, red hat band, purple hair, moustache and beard appearing 4x! Bill, PHIL DONNA BOBBY KEITH JERRY Creepy Alligator in a China Cat Sunflower TEE Nixon The DEVIL BLUE Uncle Sam from Grateful Dead Movie Raven From Wake of the Flood Pancho Villa ? Edgar Allen Poe Che Guevarra Standing on the Moon Guy (Neil Armstrong?) Liberty Another POTA person Janis behind Beach Ball ? Susan B. Anthony Captain Bligh Gandalf (or general wizard)
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Vincent Van Gogh Merry Prankster --------------------------------- I'm not Beethoven
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I think the Prankster is Kesey...--------------------------------- I'm not Beethoven
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Where did Vincent Van Gogh, Merry? Greg SC
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Edgar Allen Poe...Isn't it him and not John Wilkes Booth? I dunno. Now that you've opened the floodgates I've got to study this more closely...
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As stated before, this cover would make an excellent shirt. Please consider. I think it would sell.
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Sitting Bull, between Jerry and the alligatorBuffalo Bill, above the devil Pigpen, behind the band King (clubs?) from deck of playing cards --------------------------------- I'm not Beethoven
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If you build it we will come! Just pre ordered and I can't tell you how happy I am to give you my money! Can't wait to order the next set of whole shows I
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Definitly Sitting bull or the Buffalo Nickel IndianBuffalo Bill, too, EXCellent King of CLubs or Spades, I'm not sure YEah, I tHOUGHT that was Pigpen, a little pale, but looks like him As for Edgar Allen Poe, that's definitey him towards the right corner of the eye, but is it him again on the left? There are a few repeats and transpositions just to make you think! Kesey, yeah, that's right. Now the whole picture is starting to come together! Cheers, eebee
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Just wanted to remind everyone that a month before these shows, Old & in the Way had played the Boarding House in SF (10/ 1&8). You know Jerry's chops were in great shape!! Sure wished there was some video of that group jamming out. I am looking forward to these shows. The error will be over 1/20/2009
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While I disapprove of the price, I do not suggest that this box set should not be made available to those who want it, just as I would not presume to tell Bobby and Mickey how much they should sell their music for. My complaint is an expression of disappointment in how the "nickel-and-diming" that's prevalent in so much of our society seems unending and has even crept within our beloved Grateful Dead pantheon (or at least half of it). If the Rhino deal was in some way necessary for the continued proliferation of the music, I would happily cough up the Benjamin, but I suspect that this is not the case since some of the band were against it. Basically, if I bought this, I would feel too much like I was shaking the hand that shook the hand of P.T. Barnum.
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Check out how Nine Inch Nails released Ghosts: http://ghosts.nin.com/main/order_options Multiple options allow the customer to pick just what they want. This is the way it's headed, all the major record labels will not be able to keep up. Artists no longer need the big recording studios, it can all be done in smaller recording setups, then released online. From their guitar to your ipod, cutting out the money-grabbing middlemen.
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From March 19, you wrote: "There are no plans currently for a smaller compilation a la the Fillmore West Box." Oh well, not what I wanted to hear, but thanks for taking the time to respond. Now I just have to figure out if Rhino/The Dead are intentionally not talking about a smaller compilation at this time (as in the key words "no plans CURRENTLY") in order to drive up sales for the $100 set, and whether I want to gamble that a compilation will indeed be released at a later date!
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Last week on an overnight flight from Ashgabat to Frankfurt I put 11/11/73 on my ipod and drifted off with Dark Star into spacey sleep up among the clouds........got home the next day and found the '73 Winterland set had been announced! Had a few hassles ordering (dead net don't like my credit card anymore) but these solved by the admirable Casson so all is well. Have another long flight next week....wondering what to load on the ipod in case it has the same effect!!
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Now playing DD08 i had forgotten what a good period for the Dead this was. DP one is a few days after this and with the Winterland shows. I will have to play a few more shows from this period.like the uncirculating Cincinnatti show. next up i feel Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://spanishsunshinedaydream.blogspot.com/ http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=633338979 Spanish Jam
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If you order before a certain date and get the bonus disk, is it the complete Cincinnati Gardens show or just selections? Thanks.
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You get some of the first set and a bunch of the second set on the bonus disc.
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Thanks for that CMG. I went ahead in put in my order anyway.
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Since we are all digging the cover art how about a bonus on top of the bonus and throw in a poster of the cover art. That way we can spend hours deciphering who is who. It would make that C-Note I plunked down go a lot further.
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I had so much trouble with my first Road Trips order and now I received an email that says only: Order cancelled. No further information. Wonderful. We'll see...
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Sorry to hear about your troubles, poimu and MayoStudenT. It doesn't appear to be a problem across the board, since I got the confirmation email that my order had shipped. Hopefully they get it resolved quickly for you! I'm excited but holding my breath until I get everything as promised (bonus CD, etc).
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I was reading your post and looked down and had a new e-mail indicator from g-mail. When I clicked over and saw the familiar "Your Order Has Shipped" I swear I shivered from head to toe.
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Just got the "order shipped" email and I amSTOOOOOOOOOOKKKKEDDDDDD
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I received an email this afternoon (4/1) that my order has shipped.
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hope it's not an april fool
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I just received an e-mail stating that order has been filled and is being shipped. Perhaps the order cancelled message indicates a problem with your charge card.
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I have emailed Casson, emailed tech support, called Help and have heard absolutely nothing. My card is working fine so I am not sure what is going on here. Hopefully I will hear from someone shortly... Jason
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...but I received my "order shipped" email today, too.YAHOO!!!!!!
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I got through to their Help Desk. I was told that because my shipping address was different than my billing address the order was cancelled. What I did was place a new order with matching shipping/billing info....Hopefully everything is all good now! P.S. I was told they started boxing up the orders today!!!! If you received an email that your order was cancelled I recommend contacting them to resolve any possible issues. Cheers, Jason
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That can't be the whole deal - my billing/shipping are different and I've had no problems (so far....)
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I found it somewhat odd that the order would be cancelled because of that and then to not get any sort of email explaining what was going on....The second time around I ordered with a different card and did the shipping/receiving the same just to be on the safe side. If there is a reason that orders are being cancelled hopefully they post something so nobody misses out on the boxset. If it is just a glitch and the emails were not meant to go out, well maybe I will be ordering two sets! haha...I asked if I will still be receiving the bonus disc, she said yes. The lady I spoke to was very nice and did her best to make sure I get the order in. Now just can't wait to get the package and start listening! Cheers, Jason
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Though was getting stoked reading others had! I just want to add that I am so far ok with the whole Rhino thing. It's not as they (gd folks)have no control over the quality of the products. Hopefully this box set is a sign of things to come. The 73 Winterland shows are sacred text to me and many others. The handling of the recordings and the mastering have been great. Look at it this way. The 2 track analog tapes have been carefully prepped and transferred to digital with some of the finest converters available at the hightest bit and and sampling rates possible. Then mastered (for the first time, as the original 2 track tapes were most likely never mastered) so they get a fresh run at the original tapes in a high end studio enviroment with extremely critical ears then beautifully boxed for our enjoyment. Though I am not a fan of the compilations (though I did get the Fillmore West one due to the fact I missed the full box deadline) they are presenting the material with the highest clarity they can muster, and for that I am very thankful. My point being that they didn;t probally want to get back into the record business again but found a way to be active in the final products without having to create or re-create a new record company to do it. I will continue to purchase recordings from them. Shit I couldn't begin to think of the dough I spent over the years seeing them live and to throw down a benj to get a high quality, finely tuned, high octane recording of a series of gigs that are in the "sacred text" catagory is well worth it to me. I am really looking forward to the shipment and look forward to other gems that may be forthcoming. They will share a special place next to all my DP's and all my boots and all my very cool memories of the band that meant so very much to me. man I miss them... cheers... mm
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Ordered mine a couple days ago, really anxious to hear these. I've got 2 of the nights already and didn't hesitate to buy. Yeah, the price is just a bit outside even w/ the bonus disk, but not by obscene amounts -- maybe someone will see fit to throw in a GOOD t-shirt, especially for those of us who got jobbed on the Boston 77 T. :) I might be in the minority, but I liked the RT releases, even Fall 79 --- EVEN DISC 1! So expecting great things out of this box set. I only have one real request: give us all a chance to buy the complete Fillmore West 69 again. peace.
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    9 years 3 months ago
    Right On!!!!!!!!
    Can't wait to get this. Over 10 hours of Dead music sweet!!!!!!
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    Commercial Re-release ???
    Road Trips V2#2 [2/14/68] is released as Catalogue #GRA2-6006 and Hartford 77 is released as GRA2-6008. So where is GRA2-6007 ??? https://www.redeye.com.au/answer.asp?preOrder=yes&reion=YEN&offset=120&…
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    11 years 8 months ago
    WOW
    When i was reading the Deadhead's Taping Compendium 1965-'75 (by Dwork, Getz, and others), the description of these Winterland shows made me practically PRAY for their release on CD. Too good to ever be true, though!*****Years later (last week) it was indeed a revelation to find out that the COMPLETE RECORDINGS of ALL 3 SHOWS were released in a 9-CD deluxe package! I am psyched to hear that the Complete Recordings series will continue, apparently with entire runs of shows, mini TOURS! Many people were saddened that the Dick's Picks series came to an end, and some were downright frightened by the thought that Latvala's archival tradition was to be carried on only in the form of Road Trips compilations! Which is pretty neat by the way. I see each Road Trips--as it exists so far, anyway--as having 4 major functions: 1) as a sampler of a tour from which you have never heard a show; 2) as a way to introduce a new deadhead to what different "eras" of the Dead were like--i.e. Pigpen vs. Keith vs. Brent vs. Vince/Bruce; 3) as a GREAT way to introduce a new deadhead to the point of it all, to what each of these legendary "tours" really was: an adventure, shared by many friends, in pursuit of a living, breathing, moving, improvising, never-the-same-song-twice musical treasure. I can still remember a time when i hadn't yet experienced the majesty of one of their shows, but i WAS getting familiar with the chord structures from listening to studio albums, and so eventually was ready to get into Dick's Picks and tape trading, and of course going to current live shows! But there was a time...when the perfect music purchase to help me make the leap to serious deadhead...would probably have been a Road Trip. The COMPLETE RECORDINGS, however, is really where it's at for serious fans, along with their trades, and the already-existing Dick's Picks series. Many Picks are actually not COMPLETE shows, but the songs are indeed all from the SAME show (or two...or...) They are still far from being compilations. Volume 14, for example, representing the best music from the best 2 shows out of a 3-show run in late '73 at Boston Music Hall, is a joy to own--a real unique and multidimensional experience, from the cover artwork..to the liner notes...to the superintelligent saloon music contained on the discs. I have no gripes about the release not including the 3rd show (supposedly an "off" night)--the Experience was probably better for that! It is still a document of a real Dead Concert Experience. And that brings me to the last reason for Road Trips: 4) as a way for someone who has been a deadhead faaar longer than i have--and has heard a lifetime's worth of complete shows already--to experience a synthetic distillation of a whole tour into a single night's experience! This WOULD be a real trip, especially if it were a tour one had actually experienced live! ...oh God, this comment was originally about...what?? Oh YEAHHHH, the new Winterland box!...ohhhhhh, i want it more than anything. BeigePeter (ryan)