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Well, forensicdoc and I discussed the '68 "conundrum," if you will. Often a multi-band presentation or two sets/shows per performance if just GD made many '68 shows under 90 minutes. As you point out, a '68 supernova is better than three helpings of '87...

Our own thoughts on '66-'70 aside, surely Dave is contemplating how that 5 year stretch could be released and monetized. If not DaP quality or length, there's RSD and the annual boxes. But I'd suggest that there's at least some sense of urgency in that customers in their 60s and 70s represent a -- hate to admit it -- dwindling market opportunity.

Also, the likelihood of missing reels being returned now, 27 years after the band's demise, with crew and family having coughed up what they had, seems to diminish. One wild card, as we learned recently, is the Owsley trove of unmarked tapes. So far, one '68 show has surfaced. Perhaps, given that fact, Dave & Co. would wait until the unmarked tapes have been properly ID'd, catalogued and transferred to digital. THEN, make a decision about partial tapes and the scarcity of early era shows as potentially releaseable.

I can see Dave & Co. making an executive decision to create a random (i.e., outside of RSD, DaP and annual boxes) limited edition release -- or allowing the OSF to release the 'new' '68 tape in its series.

I just think there's probably 3-4 monster '66 shows, perhaps a similar number of '67 shows, maybe 5-6 '68 shows and relatively large # of '69 shows on the shelf -- all total guesswork on my part. So one has to ask, 'What's the plan?'

Unless Dave wants to make the first DaP of 2023 a three-disc compilation of the hottest '68 they've got....

Ray Liotta?
Alan White?

A little known but, to me, memorable RL moment was when he was on an old sitcom called Just Shoot Me (referring to cameras, not...you know...). He was hyping up kids for Santa Claus visiting the office. "We want Santa! We want Santa!" I have always liked that.

Alan White: listening to Relayer as I type.

Saaaalute!

today makes 27 years since my last GD show attended (5/26/95). A dreamy little show.

I like all the support for a late 60s clusterbunch.

mawr mawr mawr

Glad to see some love for that '76 box. Kind of an under-rated year, I'd say. Yes, '77 was better: a bit more drive, a bit more willingness to jam, generally speaking. But everybody was in great voice in '76, and I kind of like the lighter touch we get from the drummers that year, and sometimes I'm just in the mood for a more concise performance--weird, I know, since I usually like the big jams over all else. I really love how they played Cassidy that year, with a more folky feel and without the big 2/4 march rhythm it kind of settled into later.

Also, that box more or less save my life when it came out during those bleak first months of the pandemic shutdown when I was barely leaving the house for weeks at a time. Help on the way, indeed.

I caught the band maybe 3-4 times in June and August '76 and thought the shows were great. Later, I thought the tapes too languid. But when the '76 box came out (6-19 is a fav) I was spellbound by the almost hypnotic qualities of the music. This same effect does not hit me for later '76 and not sure I can articulate why. But June? Groovy, well-paced, BfA material and those slippery eels Cassidy, Playing, etc. are just beautifully played. Saw alot of Jer band in '75-'76 as well and sure loved the way he approached things. Count me in.

PF - that was a sweet run of Memorial Stadium shows (just like the two in '94 and the JGB '93). every show of that Seattle group was really strong. so I cued up night before (5/25). No SBD. awesome show and last Wheel (gorgeous) .Jerry might forget the some words to Bertha but that solo! Foolish Heart solo is liquid gold. Astonishing D>S - a favorite - into Wheel. Years later to discover they sound checked Whisky In The Jar prior to 5/26 I think. Damn I wish I caught touch of that SC.

Off on another note - call me crazy HF, but sometimes the 67/68 supernova is what i want and sometimes it's the Hampton '87 Terrapin. UIC 4/9? Maybe Alpine. Red Rocks? Telluride? Or, quite possibly, Park City.

The June '76 box - a jewel!

MacKinnon had a career defining game that was wasted by his buds. His third goal left me speechless.

Yes, Edmonton should take note. Close your opponent out when given the chance. Not to bang on Mike, but blowing a 3-0 lead at home is something you expect from the Leafs, not the AVs.

Yup, Tampa looks unbeatable right now. The President’s cup winner had no chance.

You know I have backed the Oilers from the start, so hoping for an Oilers/Lightning final.

....four goals in 1:11🍿

Unlike a DaP, a limited edition compilation of the best of '66-'70 means no one has to buy or listen to it. The later shows you cite easily fit the DaP format. Why not both?

We finally have power restored in my village of 100,000+ souls after 5 days without. We had something called a Derecho (never heard of it either, may be something more familiar in the traditional Tornado regions like the MidWest) go through. Missed music, hockey, gym, good food, even hot coffee.

Jack - Don’t worry, the Leafs deserve the shots! But wow, I was stunned the AVs folded in that game, give St Lou props. That McKinnon goal was about the nicest I’ve seen this year. I still hold tight that the AVs will prevail, but you were right about Edmonton.

Love the chat about mid-70s Dead releases - always the sweet spot for me.

A little late getting the news, but sorry to see Alan White passed. A girl I worked with saw Lennon’s Live Peace in Toronto show, where he finally went solo, and brought a pick up band including Clapton, and Alan White on drums. She mentioned that Yoko’s “singing” was pretty out there. Polite company calls it “an acquired taste”, but truthful people call it shite.

i'm a big tent person and the more the merrier on releases. other than the potentially limiting cash-on-hand-to-spend issue, I'm all for as many releases as they can do. 2 boxes a year for sure. surprise one-offs like that the 2 disc Warfield acoustic or that '72 Texas disc. everything they release will be in the sweet spot for some folks and for others maybe a doorway to a new appreciation. at the time I remarked that the June '76 box was the box set i didn't know i needed and i really really needed it. that was where I finally understood the '76 sound, a year that was largely fly-over for me compared to anything else in the '70s. it has been pretty much dry last few years as to 60s releases. all in for a fresh brain-melt Viola Lee or Caution. and like I rambled on about yesterday - the second night in Seattle in '95 sounded really really good.

Every little thing…

Wow, what a game last night!
The big takeaway is that winners somehow get er done!
So Colorado Maple Leafs LOL, we shall see. I’m actually nervous today.
Which AVs team will show up tonight? There’s only two things I can’t stand about sports, well besides the incessant blabber by the announcers: when your team beats itself, or when the league and/or the refs fuck it up.

Yeah, still can’t get over that third Mackinnon goal. Too bad it was for naught.

I’m with you Bluecrow, all the years combined. I want it all! There’s 30 beautiful years of Dead, not five, just gotta poke around. Just because a handful of folks here with very specific tastes make the most noise, doesn’t mean there’s not plenty of silent Bobs out there who like something else, no offense intended. Like BC says, if they’d up their release output perhaps they could cover more basses and make more folks happy: the nuts like us will bye it all, and others will purchase the stuff they like from their pleasure zone. Sure you might have to adjust numbers a bit, or gulp, heaven forbid have inventory longer, but I believe overall, cumulatively they’d sell more total units.
Of course if they’d simply use pre orders to get a feel for demand, they could dial in what they need, and not have overstock OR folks who get bummed because they miss out!
For example, I bet there’s more folks who didn’t get FMW 69 who wish they had, than actually got a copy? The flip side is the RFK 89 “box”. If they’d have used the pre sale model they wouldn’t have so many left.
But of course their making plenty of money just the way they are so unfortunately not expecting anything to change : (

And yaasssss ole HF I’m with you too. As I’ve said repeatedly, don’t understand why they can’t give us a primal box, who cares if 68 shows are only one disc, so what?
Now I don’t “know” but I’m sure there’s enough great, and usable stuff in the vault to piece together a cool primal box.
They’ve given us show fragments already from 66, 67, 68 etc and I don’t recall anyone whining.
Who cares if it’s not a complete show etc, get the best of 66-70 and cobble together a 20 disc box.
The stronger, longer stuff will compensate for the early raw, fragmented stuff, and like the Dead itself the whole will be greater than the sum of the individual parts!
Even if there’s only a disc or two of Miscellaneous early stuff, and a few 1 disc shows from 68, plus 2 or 3 killer 69s, and there has to be something good available from 70?
Perhaps the hangup is they can’t come up with enough Chachki crap to go inside, or how to market 60s style gym socks for Deadvikes etc ; )
Hers an idea: the first 5K purchases come with a bonus gram of shrooms! 😃Put it all in a hippie crocheted shoulder bag with smileys and flowers on it, yeah, sock it too me baby!

THATMIKE: WTF, regular blowey going on up there eh? WTF, no power means no hockey! Sacrilege! Forget all the rest, no hockey! I thought you guys had laws against that up there ; ) Cup playoffs they should have called out the Guard or Mounties etc, yer buddy T should have called a national emergency!

And what’s with all this new fancy terminology? Is it that we’re really experiencing so many things we’ve not in all these decades, or is it that everything has to have some new headline inducing terminology: homeland instead of country, bomb cyclone, Derecho instead of wind storm, shelter in place instead of stay home, legacy instead of old, gently owned instead of used, etc etc. Somedays I turn on the news and think I’m living on another planet these days?
Well, at least we have the GOGD, a must for when the going gets weird!
ONWARD!

Oro - I had to look it up because I had no phucing idea what the weather people were talking about. I’ve never heard the term before, I was just sure it was a tornado (that touched down just north of us), but this was a mother phucer of a storm. Real Wizard of Oz stuff. And I really really love my wife, she is pretty low maintenance and never ever minds when I drag her to shows, even Dylan, but five days of us pretty well just stuck hanging out together with the dog, earned me about 20 Get Out Of Valentines bullshit cards! I’ve done my time. Let’s drop the puck in the game, the needle on the turntable, game on!
PS - The only bad news about the storm is that it didn’t blow “my buddy Trudeau” off the face of the planet. Still stuck with his Holiness, unfortunately.

PPS I received the new Bruce Hornsby album today in my batch, but based on his recent output, I’m not expecting a barn burner. I’ll give him props for stretching his limits though, but open mind, I’ll play it this weekend.

Attention Feat fans! On 29 July Rhino will release an 8 CD super deluxe edition box set of this classic live album. As well as the original release on 2 CDs, there are 3 more previously unreleased live shows, each on 2 CDs. Google it for more information.

Feat, feat, feat, feat, feat...! I'll be sure to keep my eyes/wallet open for the release. Thanks for the heads up!

If you have never listened to Phish playing the entire Waiting for Columbus on 10/31/10 it is worth looking for...

I’d be Willin’ to buy that.

Rhino has a 15% off and free shipping offer this weekend.

That Mike, sorry to hear you went through all that. Your post sent me down a rabbit hole of horror looking them up, and found I've been in a couple previously. Just thought they were really bad thunderstorms with tornadoes. But the images of them are just terrifying, and no wonder people don't realize they're in one, because they can be so massive, and they travel hundreds of miles. Saw that one occurred in the Amazon in 2005 and they estimate the storm knocked down ~500 million trees. Search Amazon Blowdown for an article on NASA's site about a study on it. Mother Nature is not one to mess with, but we are doing our damnedest to piss her off.

In happier, more Dead-related discussion: June '76 is a definite keeper. I like all the shows in it better than DaP 28 6/17/76, even though it's right in that run. 6/9/76 the Road Trips one competes as my favorite of those released along with 6/14. I am all for the release of '67-'69 stuff in non-limited or one off limited RSD type releases like Hofheinz and Warfield, and not necessarily with the accompanying vinyl release. Though hearing a touch of crackle before the needle hits the groove of a thunderous crash to open a Viola Lee would be most welcome. In fact, Dave Lemieux, I challenege you to find, and release, a superior version of Viola Lee to 11/10/67. I personally don't think you can do it. Prove me wrong!

11/10/67 probably has the best Viola Lee that I have heard. Definitely the one have played the most. Maybe the next 4 Dave's should all be from a show in which it was played - just so we can test the theory.

Oro & Jack - Breathe out gents, the AVS were saved the ignominy of sewing Maple Leafs on their jerseys! I still say they can start chiselling the Colorado player’s names on the Cup, because they are THAT good!

Alvarhonso - Thanks man! We did ok, far better than people that had house and vehicle damage, or the poor souls that died. It’s something we don’t experience often here in the Great Lakes region, gave me a new appreciation for what folks in Texas, Iowa, Kansas, and the rest of Tornado Alley endure.

Trying to get a CD copy of the new Wilco disc - Cruel Country, but the band website states “supply chain issues”! Oro, I think this is one of the new 2020+ phrases you mentioned previously we are getting introduced to and indoctrinated in. I believe the old Army standard said it all best about these times we are in: SNAFU.

Box us Dave! You guys hit a home run with the River Box, might be hard to repeat, but you are working with the best raw material out there.

I can’t recall who ends their posts with that, but they are on the right path. I’m a bit more selective in life.

The Grateful Dead and Ice Hockey are the best. Dogs are right up there too.

These playoffs have been phenomenal. Nothing like a few years ago when atrocious refereeing ruined them.

Go Oilers. Sorry Oro.

Dementors...I think we all know one or two in this life

For those that don't have May 1977 Get Shown the Light (5/5/77-5/9/77), Rhino website has the All Music Edition on sale for $118.98. Was on there seeing what I could add to get the free shipping for Waiting for Columbus. Definite Canon material for those looking to build collection.

Glad that’s over, kudos to the Blues! They fought hard!
I felt bad for that kid Husso, kid was awesome and sometimes the only thing that kept them in it.
No offense taken AJ. Should be a real burner of a series! And a little friendly rivalry makes it more Phun! ; )

Hey Lordy Join the Band…

If you want more live LF, have you seen this? Came out on RSD black Friday 2021. The cd is still availabe....

Little Feat
Electrif Lycanthrope: Live at Ultra-Sonic Studios, 1974

the new gig is preventing me from hanging out much here...that and all the hockey talk....

In latest update for her coffee table book of photos, Rosie McGee, says that she has photos in the upcoming Dave's Picks 43. While she was Phil's girlfriend way back in the day, and that could mean '67-69, but she also took photos in the '80s. Just thought I'd pass that along.

Oh, and the book may be shipping around July, so maybe around the time of Dave's 43.

Well that's interesting, anything from 1967 - 1969 would be fantastic, preferably 2 shows. If they are going to release something from the 1980s, I hope its something from the Frost, Greek, or Ventura, not one release from any of those venues, maybe they saving up for a big West Coast box set.

So Vegas odds would indicate we might finally get a 60's Dave's Picks. That's great news..

Seem to have stumled into a sports thread. Can anyone point me towards the Dave's Picks thread? There's this great little band called the Grateful Dead you guys should hear sometime...

Don't get too excited, her book will cover 1966-1991. So that's only a 35 year span that only rules out 1992-1995.

One thing we gotta respect: only one release, years ago, had its identity slip out prior to announcement or release. Rosie ain't talkin'. That is, um, unless we hit the Bay Area with bamboo shoots and a Foo Manchu mustache and a tunic and an evil chuckle...

I'm still going with Vegas Odds on this. The bookies can figure out the risks and manage the bets.

If nothing else, it gives us hope that we might get a late 60's release and wouldn't it be a bombshell if we got a 68 Dave's Pick? Makes me think of the Derby winner this year.. against all odds and what a race?

So I guess this is a gambling / sports forum disguised as a GD and Music website? Honestly, it's all good to me so long it's polite and respectful.. I mean, on occasion other interests slip into the ether, like when Kansas City won the world series in '85 and Bobby breaks out Kansas City at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta on 10/28/85. Sometimes an interesting or humorous acid tale even makes into the discussion. But that's just me, anyway.. how does this song go?

LAST NIGHT.

Visiting longtime friends in eastern Washington for first time since 2019

I am looking at their CD collection

Friend says "at the bottom of the other rack is a bunch of GD my brother gave me"

I expect to see maybe 5 studio releases

It turns out to be a 48 CD binder filled with unofficial live GD

I had a sunshine wet daydream

They are mine now

:)))))))))))))))

Tough crowd
Sorry Nappy.
Right o, back to never ending Hawkwind then…

I'm with JimInMD... this is a gambling and sports forum disguised as a music forum.

And as I put nothing down, I'll go with a triple '68 for DaP 43. Make that the new two-disc '68 discovery from OSF combined with a stray 75 minutes from Oct '68. Comes with a four-way blotter with liner notes so small ya can't read 'em.

Oh yeah, I guess I have ~$25 in the game as a subscriber. That used to be one quick tootskie, now it's a double serving of deluxe nachos. So many roads................

The CD wallet I got isn't 48 discs
it is 100

the contents are awesome (for the most part)
unofficial copies of 30 Trips box
all except for 68 (already got one), 69 (already got one), 86, 87 (oh well...I would have liked that 87 show to see why people get gooey over it).

a very happy fortuitous event

now here is the ugh part (prepare yourself, Hendrixfreak)...

there are some additional discs (fare thee well 7/4/15), Blind Faith, Hot Tuna Burgers (nothing ugh-y about those), but..one has "Jimi Hendrix" written across the top, which is scribbled out and with "Ronald Reagan" written across the bottom.

Not preaching politics here, just...the sight of that disc is wrong on about 40 different levels.

I won't be keeping that one.

But the rest...YES.

....when this was also a recipe/sports/gambling/movies/jokes forum with some music sprinkled in.
Mmmm. Sprinkles.
"Sunshine Wet Daydream" Good one.

Though I did occasionally bowl a maiden over.

Proudfoot, I was gifted several 100 cd-bins about three years ago. My friend kept offering me a bunch of Dead soundboards his friend gave him. He finally just showed up at my work while I was in the field, and left them on my desk. When I was moving about 6 months later, I sorted through them chronologically. 25 shows from 66-68, 50 shows from '69, 50 shows from '70, 25 shows from '71, and 50 shows from '72 through '91. I should say cd's rather than shows, not knowing if there are multiple cds for a show. What a surprise! Honestly, I've been so busy listening to authorized releases, I haven't taken time to listen to these cd's.

Road Trips V1 N3 Summer 71 Just picked this up from Real Gone right before their 20% sale! Nice Dark Star>Bird Song, excellent China>Rider and Cryptical>TOO>Me&my Uncle>TOO>Cryptical>Wharfrat

GOGD 6/14/76 from the exquisite 76 box
GOGD Marin Civic 10/30/83 IWT
GOGD Marin Civic 10/31/83 IWT -Last Saint Stephen ever!
GOGD US Festival 9/5/82 - Phil announces at the 9:30 am beginning "Breakfast in Bed with the Grateful Dead" - pretty hot Satisfaction encore!

Daverock........

I'm Not Much For Sport, Myself... Though I did occasionally bowl a maiden over.

And Proudfoot, if you've got a disc of Ronald Reagan jamming with Hendrix you hit the obscure-jam-of-the-week jackpot!

RIP Big fella. Thanks for giving us The Band.

About five years ago my brother gave me a terabyte drive that included the following:

Every studio album (including the live ones).

Every Dick’s picks.

Every Dave’s picks up to that point.

Every box set that was released up to that point.

Every soundboard from the archive, downloaded when you were able to do so.

That was nice of him.

Never thought the Rangers would force a game 7. Regardless, I don’t see either of those teams beating Tampa.

A friend of mine has been trying to get a bunch of us into soccer for a long time. So, he has us over to watch the UEFA champions league final yesterday. Sorry lads across the pond, but soccer is a boring sport. Immensely talented and well conditioned athletes, but a boring sport. And that’s before all the flopping nonsense. I tried.

The Hawk was a very cool guy. He’ll be missed.

:)))

When I interviewed him over the phone about Roy Buchanan, probably around 1998. Good guy, funny as hell. Roy told him he turned into a werewolf when the moon was full. Ronnie thought that would get them out of the bars and onto the Ed Sullivan Show....

Also spent time with Ronnie's cousin, Dale Hawkins, in North Little Rock. Dale was still pissed that Ronnie used to pinch Dale's band members. I gave Dale a half pound of bud that a friend had just unloaded on me at a rendezvous at a truck stop in Arkansas (his name then was Rollo California, you do the math) but that I couldn't carry around on the road as I headed to the East Coast. Dale gave me a few toots and a fat bindle to get back to Ozark, where I was staying. Dale was living at his recording studio because his wife wouldn't let him come home.

Good men, both. RIP.

That cracked me up.

It's the small things in life that matter the most.

My dead/JG hard drive is just under 7 TBytes. But there are some duplicates. I will never listen to it all.. in fact, I have a hard time actively, meaning without distractions, giving good listens to the officially released stuff. Perhaps that is their goal.

An under the radar shoutout to Dennis for no reason whatsoever. Not to be exclusive, a for the record shoutout to all you all.. for just being yourselves.

Daverock, decided to check out the Viola Lee Blues from 11/10/67 and you were right! It's one of ,if not the best Viola's I've heard but you failed to mention the rest of that show! I've got too many shows to pick from and sometimes close my eyes and pick one but from your post, I listened to the whole show, probably for only the second time since I got the 30 Trips box and this show rips from start, Viola Lee Blues, to finish. Holy crap!! Whether you're into late 60's dead or not you must take a listen to this show. One of the best shows from any Dead era you'll hear. Thanks Daverock I probably wouldn't have found it again without your post!

Natecat, I was at that last show you listened to .... it was at the Glen Helen Regional Park in Devore, about an hour from Santa Monica at the base of the San Gabriel Mountains .... so it was a sparse crowd at that point ... the festival featured at least a dozen acts on a single stage that went until 10 or 11 that night .... seeing the boys up close and personal at 9:30am was, well, bizarre at very least... but they played well and I recall that they jammed a full show into a very short period by running a few favorites together... this event was a big deal, well before the likes of Coachella, but by far and away, the GOGD was the best part of it all. Wozniak (sp?) did another US Festival the following year, but there was no breakfast in bed with the Grateful Dead for round 2.......t

Peteh - yes, the whole of 11/10/67 is amazing - one of the most dynamic Dead shows I have ever heard.
One of the best things about coming on here is reading about great shows that you may already have, but for some reason may have overlooked. Usually because they are secreted away in a box. I found out about 10/12/84 from 30 Trips like that. Not a favourite year of mine by any means - but I re-listened after reading about it on here - and it's a good 'un. I can't actually remember why, come to think of it, but I remember that I enjoyed it.

Hendrixfreak - possibly a more meaningful dialogue you had with Ronnie and Dale Hawkins than I had with the celebrities I "met". Dale Hawkins is rock n' roll royalty - "Suzie Q" - one of the all time greats.

HF - Great story about Ronnie & Dale Hawkins! He lived about 30 minutes from us here, in a town we often go up to, always hoped I would randomly run into The Hawk while going through the local record store.

A great Ronnie Hawkins line I just read, which speaks to his infamous sense of humour:

"I spent 90 percent of my money on wine, women and song.
I just wasted the other 10 percent."

Say hi to Richard, Rick, and Levon. Godspeed.