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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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    vocal dropouts

    Seem to be a characteristic of 1974 shows. But the funny thing is...it's never Donna who seems to be dropped out. You would think they might wipe some of her triumphant screams off the end of the Playing jams. Blame it on the reels.

  • dovetail
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    Who hears repeated dropouts…

    Who hears repeated dropouts on vocals in this #42 set especially disc 2? (see reports of such on-line elsewhere)?

  • Exile On Main St.
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    Dear J3FF

    I can't believe people are griping about the song order. There is no reason to waste space on another CD, just to have the songs in order. Add another disc and then a contingency will complain there is only a half hour of music on one CD, and they want bonus tracks. Or that Dark Star / St Stephen / The Eleven was divided over two discs. While cost may be no problem for you, it is for others. Go buy a CD changer and program the tracks in the correct order.

    To say Lemieux is disrectful to the fans for this is a gross stretch of reality. It is because he respects rhe fans that he did this. It is easy to see he loves the fans and is eager to get great music to us. And you insult him. That us the problem with your post. Yes you are entitled to your opinion. No you are not entitled to throw accusations and make people feel bad. You owe an apology.

  • proudfoot
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    Random gripe

    The builders of my townhouse made a slanted roof with planters.

    The bar holding them in place at the angle should be held by 10 bolts.

    How many bolts did they actually install?

    Six.

    That leads to pains in the tookess, people.

  • proudfoot
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    Non-GD music

    What do these have in common?

    Led Zeppelin
    Pink Floyd
    Moody Blues
    Rolling Stones
    King Crimson
    Motorhead
    Sex Pistols
    Sweet
    ELP
    ELO
    The Who

    Identify the commonality in these artists and you win!

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    ‘69 Dead Again

    I’m really enjoying this release, some new songs for me…Seasons of my Heart and Gathering Flowers…Plus two more Dark Stars, Yum.
    Nice archival newspaper clips about Live Dead.
    The sound is great too, big thanks to Owsley for our now-future enjoyment.

    Also if coupled with Dave’s Picks 6 we have11/2, 12/20, 12/21, 12/26 1969 and 2/2 1970.
    For the song/show playing sequence I’ll quote Jerry from the 11/2 show:-) “this evening is fraught with difficulties, absolutely fraught with difficulties”

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    Dear Dave-

    So I've got Your Picks Vol. 43 in my hands and CD player. Cool music.... BUT...

    I ask you, sir--is this how YOU listen to these shows? The first 9 songs of 11/2/69, then the 5 songs from 12/26/69, then 4 songs from 11/2, then 11 songs from 12/26??

    If yes, then I don't feel you really appreciate the experience of live Dead--how each show is a unique event and piece of musical art, how each show has a rhythm and a story all its own. (This is WHY so many of us spend thousands of dollars buying these very shows on CD when we are content with just getting the best studio releases from other artists we love.)

    If this is NOT how you would listen to these shows, and you do enjoy and appreciate listening to a show as it was performed, then you are not really respecting the rest of us who want to listen to the shows in that way but don't have the privilege of access to GD's vaults.

    You make great choices of shows-- just let us listen to them as Jerry intended please. It's doable. Every single box set release does it.

    Thanks!

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    Row 22, Jimmy?

    Realizing just now that the illustrious VGuy waltzed right past me last night in row 22 at Red Rocks!

    I appreciated his "Make America Grateful Again" t-shirt at the time, he must not have seen my House of Guitars tee or I know he would have stopped for a fist bump!

    Next I get to stroll down to the mailbox to pick up DP 43 (no shipping notice, but I got the heads up from my account with USPS- pro tip).

    Let the good times roll! And now back to your regularly scheduled Gathering Flowers For The Master's Bouquet...

  • Charlie3
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    What He Said

    I also would prefer releases have the show in original sequence, with any bonus content at one end or the other of the main show of the release rather than interspersed throughout. I'd rather pay for an extra disc to keep the sequence intact, rather than to chop it up to fit on three discs. I suspect that this may be the minority view based on past discussions about bonus content and out of sequence songs.

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    So I know this is off topic …

    So I know this is off topic ;D but regarding Dave's Picks... Dave- I'm ever-grateful to get to hear this music but can you PLEASE give us the shows as they were performed instead of mixing them together (#43 is an especially jumbled mess).

    Thank you.

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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This is the hottest band in the land and has been for 10 years. By all means, go with an open mind. They'll rock your socks off.

That is all.

Just read a great debut novel: Raft of Stars by Andrew Graff.
Nice little sorta old fashion (in a good way) one day read.
The biggest thing I find that influences my read opinions nowadays is the ending. I’ve read many books the last few years that are great, until the end. Some of these authors are really good, but as my buddy Jon Evison would say they just can’t get outta the way of their own coffee breath.
Now admittedly I do like a nice clean ending with loose ends tied up etc, but it’s not necessary if the book is really good otherwise. But I hate when your left gaping, wondering what the hell just happened. Like your watching a really intense movie, and right at the big crescendo, the cable or internet goes out! Dooaahh!
This one has a good ending, but perhaps goes a little over the top? I guess that’s for the reader to decide?
Probably my only slight criticism.
Great characters, some who get a interesting treatment of self analyzation, plot moves along nicely as the tension builds, all without going on too long.

HOCKEY: sorry to the folks who get riled, it’ll all be over soon and it’s not like this place has been a hot bed of GD lately.

PROUDFOOT: as AJ states, like the Dead, hockey can be an acquired taste. The regular season can sometimes get tedious and you can tell the players sometimes dial it in, but not as bad as baseball.
But the Stanley Cup playoffs are often the best sports there is (imho), at least in North America.
Most of the games this year have been incredibly exciting. Think Super bowl energy sustained over the course of several weeks. Perhaps like the final four or NBA finals? So watch the playoffs to get an idea of what hockey can be like at its best. If you don’t like it, ce la vie, hey, there’s always the GOGD if nothing else!

VGUY: curious if you’ve been enjoying this years action even though your beloved K-nits are not playing?

AJ: that’s why they call them the Avalanche: one minute it’s all calm and sunny, next a fast wall of terror rains down and moneys missing from yer dresser, your daughters knocked up, and your GD HD won’t work!
Yep, zero zero, then Whooosshh seconds later 3 zip!
And hey, who has a hotter Ice Crew!
The Oilers we’re doing a fine job of controlling the AVs in the first, though perhaps getting a little goonish? Thought there were some questionable non calls? Unfortunately, late in the game Kane and company definitely were going too far. I get the whole need to maintain respect etc, but it’s the conference finals FFS. Hope things don’t start going too far and someone gets hurt.
And what about Frankie? Thought he did a good job in the first series, but I was a little unsettled by his last outing. Last night he did a great job and it’s fun to see how the fans love him. Really curious what’s up with Kuemper? He didn’t seem distressed and actually kept playing for a bit before he left so wondering what’s up?
Tonight should be really interesting to see if the Rangers are for real, or if game one was a fluke?

BOBLOPES: good to see ya back in the rotation here. Never been a huge sci-fi fan, but did read (at least?) the first Dune book like 40 years ago. Not sure about the others. Same with Hitch Hikers Guide. Theodore Sturgeon’s More Than Human that influenced how the GD became what they are has always been my favorite. Always been a big believer in Gestalt theory. The Stand was another good one I read back then, should reread since Covid.
Rut roh, the B’s, LOL as THATMIKE says “your off the Xmass card list”

Speaking of, what happened to Mike? Curious about his current hockey thoughts, and always his musical thoughts too. Hopefully he’s not having severe depression, like after the funeral is over and everyone goes home and now yer all alone to cope

FYI, JIMS currently outta the office, er a, the loop here as he needs to maximize every once of big water he can while the gettin’s good. He’ll be back before ya know it and with a new relaxed perspective that comes from the satiated fulfilled contentment that comes from exhausting yourself doing things you love! Kinda like after dancing yer ares off after THAT dead show! Better than therapy and at a fraction of the cost!

It’s Friday good people, summers here (sorta) and the time is right for dancing in the streets! Hopefully Oroboros and others have been having a gas at Jrad!
GAME ON!

Dear captcha, thanks for wasting yet another half hour of my life with yer ridiculous (because of your flaws) nonsense that only seems to stymie DHs just trying to connect and communicate in spite of the lousy format that is the internet.

Boblopes - that is the very copy of PKD's short stories that I am reading. I got the single volume "Selected Stories" which is a beautiful book and a great selection. My eyes nearly popped out of my head when I saw that Complete Short Stories edition advertised last year. I made the big mistake of discussing it with a friend first, and showing it to her online. She was very disapproving - I stalled - and the next thing I knew, it had sold out. Now it is advertised on ebay for twice it's original price. Still - it was really expensive.
The next two on my list are "Something Wicked This Way Comes" by Ray Bradbury and the two in one "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" and "A Scanner Darkly" by PKD.
I discovered the Folio Society about 15 years ago - beautiful books, and because people who buy them tend to look after them, you can sometimes find second hand copies which are in mint condition.
But never the ones by science fiction authors, unfortunately. Second hand copies of those are usually advertised at two or three time their original price.
Never though I'd see reference to The Folio Society on here!

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Billy - I forgot about hiking. About ten years ago, I took my daughters on a trip down the Pacific Coast highway starting in San Francisco and ending in San Diego. Riding in a Ford Mustang convertible of course. To this day, the highlight of the entire trip for them was hiking Hawk Hill. No lie. They still talk about it.

Dave - great authors are a rarity. You are correct. Best to enjoy them slowly. I just finished a Steinbeck kick. That dude can write. Looking forward to Dickens.

Oro - it did get chippy out there. Especially Draisaitl. With all that talent there is no need for it. You'll become the next Marchand. Not cool at all.

Also, are you referring to Jon Evison who wrote "West of Here"? If so, I am half way through his new book, Small World. That is pretty ironic. I never heard of him until a few weeks ago.

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I don’t mind any topics, I’m just not too talkative during topics I don’t relate to as well as others.
Like most, music is my favorite topic here, especially when I get turned on to something new!! More on that later.
I have loved reading since I was 5 years old. I had a sister 4 years older who taught me to read before I started school. What a gift that was. Oddly, I love sci-fi TV & Movies, but never enjoyed reading it. I strongly favor non-fiction, biographies, history and the like. I read a lot of bios of musicians. Currently about 150 pages in to the new Bill Frisell bio. Doesn’t get much better than that for me. I occasionally read fiction, usually when it’s written by Nick Hornby, my favorite current writer by a mile.
My sports fanatic dad pretty much insured that I would become one too. One of my fave stories to tell, to describe how when an evening has a conflict between a sporting event and a concert…let’s just say one September evening in 1979, I gave up World Series tickets to see The Knack in DC.
(The game was postponed and I got to see it the next night).
DAVEROCK, I finally got a copy of the afore mentioned 5-disc set. It is even better than you described. Only 3 discs in, but excited to continue on-Thanks for the great tip!!

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Think I’m Going Weird-Disc 3
“”””””""””””””””””””””””””””””-Disc 2
“””””””"””””””””””””””””””””””-Disc 1
Pieces of Jade-Scott LaFaro
At Your Birthday Party-Steppenwolf

Music is the Best!!!!!!

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Jon Evison, that’s the one, cool guy and perhaps my favorite “modern” author.
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed all his work, but West of Here is amazing, I love historic fiction!
Really funny, and knowledgeable, and super nice. We had the pleasure to meet and tip a few with him on a couple occasions. He even sent us schwag!

The Knack, lol, Wow, there’s a blast from the past!
No offense intended, (just going for a laugh) but first thing pops into my demented mind was the spoof “my scrotum” by I believe Cheech Marin?

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Oro
My favourite use of the word is by Viv Stanshall on the ‘Sir Henry at Rawlinsons End’ album. Talking of his manservant ‘That’s Scrotum, My old wrinkled retainer’.
Back tomorrow with a new picture and a last 5.

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That is really weird. Beyond the pale as someone we all know once said.

I’ll let you know what I think when I finish it.

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Today I recieved Dave's Picks 42, #21846 in Växjö, Sweden.

Here's the shipment as it progressed:

05/20/2022, 5:50 P.M. Shipment Acceptance at international carrier United States

05/20/2022, 5:50 P.M. Package processed by international carrier United States

05/20/2022, 3:50 P.M. Package departed international carrier facility United States

05/20/2022, 3:50 P.M. Package departed international carrier facility United States

05/20/2022, 2:20 P.M. Package processed by international carrier United States

05/20/2022, 9:41 A.M. Package processed by international carrier United States

05/20/2022, 9:41 A.M. Package processed by international carrier United States

05/20/2022, 9:39 A.M. Package departed international carrier facility United States

05/11/2022, 5:27 P.M. Package processed by international carrier United States

05/06/2022, 12:44 P.M. Package processed FONTANA, CA, United States

05/03/2022, 10:41 A.M. Package received for processing FONTANA, CA, United States

04/25/2022, 10:01 P.M. Order information received United States

About 05/27/2022 it was visible in the Swedish Postnord system and late on 05/30/2022 I could have paid taxes for it but I looked earlier that day and then it wasn't registered yet. I paid för it an extra 134 SEK early Wednesday morning 06/01/2022.

Would be interesting to find out what the package did from May 11 to May 20. ;-)

Micke Östlund,
Växjö, Sweden

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I read and re read everything of PKD, novels, science Fi etc... it was very difficult to read science fi after him, even Ray bradbury, Robert Scheckey or AC Clark. he is the master, High castle, Ubik, Do Andoid dreams...if you have a mediatheque you can borrow them, and save some room on your shelves for the Gd Boxsets; For Gong, the last with D Allen "Year 2032" worth a listening. I saw them in France in the seventies, fun and good time. Gong is somewhere a "trait d'union" with Gd in Europe. they flew away from the Canterbury sound and make their own music (Caravan Soft Machine, Kevin Ayers, Hatfield & the North,and the under rated Robert Wyatt.)
Eventually Winterland 24/02 deserves number 13. Many problems of balance in the recording of 74 even for a good show. Best ever recording E72 and Spring 90, and the betty Boards on 2 Tracks.

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Oro - You’re always on the Xmas card list, Amigo!
All good here up in the North, just getting a new laptop, and backing up all my Muzak on (or is it “in”?) the Cloud!

Just in and ready to play - The new TTB disc. I’m hoping way less Susan singing, way more Derek riffing!

Hockey - I’m glad to see Proudfoot is getting the bug. The NHL playoffs are like the Ironman on skates for the finalists - an absolute endurance run. Tuff Mudder Extra for anyone who has done that. This Colorado team is on a mission. Watch for AVS and Tampa in the final with Jack’s Numero Uno Kucherov leading the Bolts. I still say they can take out the hammer and chisels, and start inscribing the Colorado player names on Lord Stanley’s Cup. Get ready to party Denver!

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PK Dick accompanied me throughout my teenage years of the 1970s, well thumbed, tatty paperbacks stuffed into the right hand pocket of my donkey jacket, JG Ballard in the left. I must have given them all to a charity shop many, many years ago. A Folio Society edition just doesn't seem right to me, might be nice though but not at those prices. My son recently started on collecting the paperbacks. It's funny how similar we are, it's been like watching my youth again, quite excruciating. I couldn't read them now, A Scanner Darkly is the saddest thing I've ever read, I need happy these days, literature and music.

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I’ve managed one play of #42 to check it plays and the version of TOO is worth the price on its own.

I’ve changed my picture from the murky politics of 1974 to the 2004 tour by The Dead. Apparently, my set is 331 in a limited edition of 720. I hadn’t noticed that previously.

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1 ‘Keyboard Studies’ - John Tilbury
This contains three pieces composed by Terry Riley in the mid-60s. The compete sleeve notes say “Archive recordings made in Hamburg in the late 1970’s or early 80’s - full details forgotten”.
2 ‘Everything is always at once’ - Richard Scott
This is a series of pieces recorded on analogue and modular synthesisers.
3 ‘Illusion’ - Julie Tippetts and Martin Archer
Superb vocals by JT with great musical accompaniment.
4 The Weight of Clouds’ - Frostlake
A little folkadelic.
5 ‘Theta 5’ - Orchestra of the Upper Atmosphere
I can’t recommend this band highly enough.

I have the Bill Frissell biography but haven’t started it yet. I’ve been mainly on a Science Fiction binge. Various novels by NK Jemisin, The Vorkosigan stories by Lois McMaster Bujold, the Ancillary trilogy by Ann Leckie and the two Teixcalaan novels by Arkady Martine. All recommended to fans of SF.

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Colin, I pip you on that "Wave that flag" numbered limited edition set. Mine is number 327 of 720. At 105 CDs it is surely one of the largest sets ever. Have you listened to it all? I certainly haven't listened to every disc of every show yet.

Last five:
"Extrovert" - Mr Sun
"Naught again" - Zero
"Live in the UK 2008" - Paul Barrère and Fred Tackett
"Calling Dr. Strong" - Roots Rock Action Figures
"Live in Berkeley " - The original Country Joe Band

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Leatherette

One Step Beyond
I Want Candy
Our House
A Message to You Rudy
Other songs from my younger days

5 18 77 sounds.so.good.

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No, I haven’t heard it all yet but it is only 18 years!
I haven’t played all of the 2003 tour yet either.
Of those I’ve heard I prefer 2003 because I like Joan Osborne singing with them.

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My "Summer getaway" set is #496 of 500. At a mere 86 CDs, it should be easier to listen to it all but I also haven't heard all of it yet. I agree that Joan Osborne's singing adds a lot to the overall sound of the band.

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Saw the first 4 of 5 shows at Red Rocks 2003. Joan was awesome, great addition to the core band. bought discs of those shows at the time and listened to a couple of the shows maybe 3 months ago. very enjoyable trip back to those summer days and nights.

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Sheik Yer Bones - thanks very much for that offer - unfortunately I am way behind the rest of the world when it comes to utilising online facilities - so I haven't used mediatheque. Also, I do like books in themselves, as objects. Those PKD books you mention are all great - The Martian Timeslip comes to mind as another great one. Among many.
The mid 70's was a great time to see Gong. The first time I saw them was early in 1974 - it was like stepping into an alternate reality walking into the Free Trade Hall in Manchester and hearing ( and seeing) their set unfold. Truly magical. That 2032 album is really good, too. I saw them just after that came out, and Steve Hillage and Miquette Giraudy, from the classic mid 70s band, were in the group. Plus they played a set based on their 70's recordings before Gong came on. Cosmic.

Nick-I started reading science fiction in the mid 70s too-the so called New Wave writers mainly - everyone from Brain Aldiss to Roger Zelazny. Philip K. Dick was the one though. I have still got loads of old paperbacks from that era - tiny print by today' standards. Either that or my eyes are going. A Scanner Darkly is memorably sad -in fact it's one of the few I haven't re- read. I remember it very clearly, even after all these years. Its barely science fiction - in fact it's one of the most realistic novels I have ever read on the subject of substance assisted burn out. Chilling. The others don't strike me as being particularly sad. Having said that, I'm not exactly a life and soul of the party type to begin with!

Mr Ones - glad you like "I Think I'm Going Weird" - it's one of the best compilations of that era that I have heard. Every song on it feels like a peak track. And there are so many more to look into getting....

I've just been reminded - if you are only going to read one PKD novel "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch" would be a good one.

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I picked up this 2003 Summer Get Away Box Set at a Rex Foundation Benefit Auction. Previous owner: Cameron Sears, his name is printed on the bag. I've listened to a few discs, I did enjoy Joan Osborne and also the jams with Stevie Winwood. Have to get back into that box.

I'm singing the praise of the 76 box again, this time Boston 6/11/76! Cool stand-alone Scarlet Begonias, beautiful Eyes.

Hmm, I'm going to have to get my hands on some PKD, I've heard good things before, time to check him out.

Music soothes the soul.

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....primary reason why I'm here.
Last Five.
Duran Duran - Notorious
Tedeschi Trucks Band - Crescent. Twice.
Sabaton - Heroes
Phish - 6.3.22 Deer Creek
I would be lost without my tunes. Especially in these trying times.
Btw. I am so tired of thoughts and prayers. Only goes so far.
Rock on. And take care of yourselves and your friends and family.
Eating Chinese takeout. Sesame beef kicks ass.
Thanks btw fam, for reminding me to bust open a Philip K Dick book.
Any Philip Jose Farmer fans out there??
Phil's are cool.

VGUY
Yes, I’ve read a fair number of Philip Jose Farmer’s books over the years. My favourite is ‘The Unreasoning Mask’ (The Bolg kills all but one). Both the Riverworld and The World of Tiers series are good and I liked his Kurt Vonnegut homage, writing ‘Venus on the half shell’ as Kilgore Trout.
Having mentioned Vonnegut I particularly enjoyed one of his later books where one of the protagonists was a world famous abstract expressionist painter until, having used the wrong paint, all his paintings ended up having flaked off the canvas and covered the gallery floors.

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Yes, I enjoyed the Riverworld series but that was when I was 16, I'm not so sure at 62. Might give them a go though. I like big American novels these days Richard Ford, Philip Roth and that sort of thing, any suggestions?
Colin yes, Bluebeard by Kurt Vonnegut (the painter novel) is very funny, highly recommended.

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Mingus Ah Um
Mark Hollis-S/T
Veedon Fleece-Van Morrison (I like this so much that I try not to play it too much, to keep it fresh)
JS Bach St Matthew Passion-John Eliot Gardiner (Ebarme Dich mein Gott is painfully beautiful)
Dylan-Blonde on Blonde( there's a decent single album in this, I find the whole thing a bit pedestrian nowadays)

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Yes, many older stories are less readable when you notice the sexism and racism inherent in them. The past certainly is different country. Women tend to be either missing from earlier SF or they are there as sex objects. I have to be able to disconnect my annoyance when reading early HG Wells stories. I can no longer read H Rider Haggard and the casual racist slurs in Agatha Christie stories are very noticeable, not to mention the original title (in the UK) of ‘And then there were none’. I haven’t bought any recent editions of ‘Tom Sawyer’ or ‘Huckleberry Finn’. Have they been edited out of all recognition? Having said this I would much rather read the books as originally written than have them edited so they don’t offend my modern sensibilities. Don’t ban books it would be better to discuss and examine why they were written as they were.

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Apart from that one, the only PJF I have are "To Your Scattered Bodies Go" and "The Lovers". I can't honestly remember what were like now, but I would have enjoyed them at the time.
To me the science fiction I liked - mainly written between about 1960 and 1980, occupies the same space as psychedelic singles from the 60's - and the music of early Pink Floyd, Hawkwind and all the great German bands of that era. They seemed to reflect the way I saw the world back in my teens and 20's. We all move on of course, and I wouldn't want to exist on a diet on nothing but those genres now. But I still like dipping back in now and again.

My copy of "And Then There Was None" was published under it's original title in 1970. And you wouldn't believe what was on the cover.

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Colin and Dave remember Robertsons Golliwogs, The Black and White Minstrel Show, Till Death Us Do Part, Bernard Manning? Makes me cringe. It's extraordinary that we seem to have turned out half OK. The literature of the time seems fine in comparison.

This morning's music

Zuma-Neil Young I don't think Neil's ever made a truly great record but this, On the Beach, Tonight's the Night and Time Fades Away are his best for me. Anyone know where I can get Time Fades Away on CD without bankrupting myself?

JS Bach Cantatas BWV18, BWV181 and BWV126- John Eliot Gardiner Cantata Pilgrimage Vol 20 disc 2. I could never tire of Bach's choral work.

Dylan-Rolling Thunder Revue discs 12 and 13. Fourteen well recorded live discs for less than 50 quid. Why can't GD do that?

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sing a Pigpen tune convincingly. Not Bobby, not anyone else. Joan belted out Pig and Jer tunes like nobody's business. She should be lead vocalist for Dead & Co. if they had any sense.

Anyway, yes, caught the band -- whatever they were called -- at the Rocks around 2003-04 when Joan was onboard. She's got soul.

P.S. I had to navigate an "I'm not a robot" barrier to even get in today. Then one to post. What if I BECOME a robot after posting?

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sing a Pigpen tune convincingly. Not Bobby, not anyone else. Joan belted out Pig and Jer tunes like nobody's business. She should be lead vocalist for Dead & Co. if they had any sense.

Anyway, yes, caught the band -- whatever they were called -- at the Rocks around 2003-04 when Joan was onboard. She's got soul.

P.S. I had to navigate an "I'm not a robot" barrier to even get in today. Then one to post. What if I BECOME a robot after posting?

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One good thing to come from the show was The Monkees song ‘Alternate Title’. Originally called ‘Randy Scouse Git’ after Mickey Dolenz saw the show when he was in the UK. The title was changed when the powers that be realised it was quite offensive. As a Scouser myself it didn’t bother me. The show was remade in the US as All In The Family.

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Anyone have an idea as to how I could invite strangers that might ride share for middle part of Dead & Co tour? I have extra ticket to St Louis -> Michigan 6 shows. Leaving Texas June 17. Camping along the way with some hotel stops. Am I crazy? No

Nick - yes, I was actually taken to see The Black and White Minstrel Show live when I was about 8 or 9. They used to defend Till Death Us Do Part by saying that it was a satire on racism. If so, it was a satire that was taken literally by many thousands who saw it. There was so much to rebel against when I was growing up. And there still is.

I was thinking of playing that Rolling Thunder blu ray disc this evening, coincidentally. I haven't got the box set of cds-but if it costs so little for so much, maybe I should change that.

That Monkees song, "Alternate Title" is great, too.

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£45 or best offer on eBay.uk at the moment. Really recommend it, so much better than Hard Rain.

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Can anyone recall whether they've announced the year's box past June? I'm memory-challenged and too lazy to research it.

Meanwhile, how 'bout a two-disc set from the recently unearthed June '68 show in the OSF vault??? We know DaP 43 is in the can. Shouldn't we know the box to come before 43 drops around Aug. 1?

Instigating is my forte...

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Attention NITECAT, please check your pm.

In response to BTK, ANY 1970 release would be welcome, but I'm not sure the June FW run would make a great box set. Yes of course it has it's peaks, but it has some deep valleys as well. That beings said, I would buy it!!

Just one doc's opinion...........

Rock on,

Doc
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Nick - cheers. It's only a few quid more on Amazon. A remarkable film, too. With the kabuki makeup and totemic presence of Mick Ronson, it put me in mid of David Bowie's performances circa 1972-73 a bit. I don't know what they would have made of it at the Newport Folk Festival. Dylan's performance seems quite shamanic - as reflected in Anne Waldman's poem in the excellent book included with the disc.
I think it will be a toss up between this cd box and The Complete Motown Singles 1968 for my next purchase.

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head over to the Ride Board thread in the forums. Use that search box (probably at the top right) to find the thread.
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Naturally, I also cannot recall what else they put out last year, besides Listen and the DaP series. At least we know that they've been busy this year with the E72 anniversary releases. Thus, a box announcement later this summer makes sense.

The most logical/illogical release possible this year would be fall '72. With last year's box and this year's E72 celebration, they'd be nuts to go with fall '72. And yet, if they're focused on a hot seller, that'd be a sure winner. However, after the Listen box and that double '87 DaP, I predicted this year's box would be '80s DATs. Maybe instead of a location-based focus like St. Louis, they go with another run of shows across a tour, with locations varied.

Please continue with your regular programming while I squirm and contort (in my mind, peoples, in my mind!) over the mystery box. I used to be the guy counseling patience and here's how that turned out...

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Whoa, scary place in there lol. ; )
Well HF, you certainly are tenacious if nothing else lol.
You would think fall 72 would be the last thing they’d go with, which is exactly why it wouldn’t surprise me!
But yes, someday you’d think they’d do something from then?

I don’t think we’re getting an 80s dat box yet as they still have plenty of ABCD Beatty’s etc that need return on the investment. I think/hope we might get something for DaP, but not a box, unless there’s other quality tapes we don’t know about ala Giants? Plus you old “sweet spot” bastards would either suffer widespread strokes, causing a massive class action suit, or they’d hunt Dave down like a dog, tie him up, spread peanut butter all over him, and put him out to sea as live bait! As much as I personally would love an 80s box: Summer 85, 81, 82 for example, I don’t see that happening soon?

Spring 78 has a big batch of good shows complete in the vault that would make a good medium size box. Think a big one would be too repetitive?

Still have a whole bunch of 73, including some real high profile summer shows. You’d think they’d unleash that next year, but they seem to purposely avoid anniversaries. This year seems due, but perhaps since it took so long for PNW to sell out (which still puzzles me?) who knows? Maybe next year they’ll give us a Dave’s, and a stand alone ala Dozin, Nightfall, or Rockin’ the Rhine? They used to do more of those, wonder why not anymore?

Still a bunch of 89 multitracks including some stellar fall shows!!

If they were going to new territory, fall 91 is perhaps the one consistently good tour left. But I don’t think we’re there yet?

Still some summer 76 territory but for various reasons you wouldn’t think he’d go back there just yet?

Could still cobble some 77, and I could list specifics, but don’t want to influence anyone as personally, I’ve had enough 77 at least until we get stuff that we haven’t yet. Sorry, no offense ment to you 77 lovers. It’s just getting to where we have so much from like 4 or 5 years, and little to nothing from others!

Of course the big psychedelic elephant in the room is a Primal 66-70 box. I think this might have a shot, at least if they listen to us at all? Though there may not be a lot of usable tapes, you’d have to think that with how much they played and how much tape rolled, there has to be enough usable stuff for a taste of 66 and 67, more 68 single disc shows, say a show or 2 from early 69, something from later 69 to show their progression, and something ? from 70?
I think this is the way to do primal, as quantity, quality, and mucho repetition could make going with just one year for example, difficult?

I think these are the biggest, most obvious holes, but certainly there are other possibilities depending on format etc.
in fact I’m sure someone will suggest something else immediately after I post this lol. One thing DHs do not lack is opinions!

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Oro, you wrote "they’d hunt Dave down like a dog, tie him up, spread peanut butter all over him, and put him out to sea as live bait!"

I don't even know what kind of counselor you need. Animal cruelty? Food fetishes? Latent fishing needs? Detox? Retox? Or a new TV show: "Shark Week: The Peanut Butter Incident."

Or ... a box announcement. Gawd, I'm obviously stuck on Dave's casual remark that "a fall '72 box has to happen." Made years ago... But I'll take the "primal box" and go away quietly to my corner. Anyday.

I'll second your emotion on '77 and extend that to '78. Which might get us to '79, a relatively untouched year. And that leads me to bang the gong again on 8-12-79 at the Rocks. (Still working out the aftermath of that Purple Dragon...)

If TPTB look to these threads to see what "we" want, they need counseling, too.

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Yes, please.

Box I bet will be a latter day bunch. Summer 85 might not count as latter day...

89. It will be 89.

Yep.

Cal Expo has had one release (5 3 86)

Cal Expo box would be nice

Mawr mawr mawr

No Frosts at all

And no Greeks save 10 20 68

Wuttahduhfuq

Either no recordings are in the vault or tptb are sadists

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1979 onwards.

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You made me read that long post and not one mention of hockey? WTF?

If I were the Rangers, I’d be pretty worried right now. They let a big one slip away. I think the Oilers will get one tonight, but be done in 5.

Lastly, I finished your boy Jon Evison’s book. It was good, but I can’t put it in the great category. A few too many cliches for me and the ending never really came together. In fairness, I am just coming off of Steinbeck’s two greatest novels. So, it would be kinda like going to see James Taylor right after you attended the June 77 three night run by the Dead at Winterland.

Good luck tonight.

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