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    What's Inside:
    7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
    Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
     
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

    Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
     
    LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
     
    The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
     
    The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
     
    All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
     
    Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
     
    Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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  • January 23, 2022 - 11:07am
    proudfoot
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    GD

    5 7 72
    2 2 69
    4 22 79

  • January 23, 2022 - 11:06am
    proudfoot
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    Watched 4th quarter of...

    both 49ers/Packers and Bengals/Titans games

    Close games are fun to watch when it isnt your team in the mix

    I had a friend in middle school who liked the Bengals. For him, I hope the Bengals win the SB.

    long road to get there

  • January 23, 2022 - 7:54am
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    Blues for Salvador. 1/23/88. Greek & Frost. 49ers

    34 years ago today, I was at the Oakland Auditorium for a benefit concert called Blues for Salvador which featured, Garcia, Weir, Santana, Tower of Power, Terry Hagerty, Boz Scaggs, Bonnie Raitt, Wayne Shorter. Garcia and Weir pretty much played with everybody. There will be a box set from the Frost , Greek , and Ventura one day . Great 49 ers game, Garcia was a huge 49 ers fan. I also heard the One More Saturday night before the commercial break, very cool.

  • January 23, 2022 - 7:28am
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    I'm With you PF

    ..but some of these both are releasable and will get released one day.

    I also think (perhaps it's a hope) that they are finally turning the corner on restoration/clean-up/improving the sound of some of these cassette master releases.

    Time will tell.

  • January 22, 2022 - 10:13am
    proudfoot
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    Cynicism ahead

    If any good recordings of Greek or Frost shows exist, they would have released them by now.

    I like what we get, but don't expect G or F releases.

  • January 20, 2022 - 9:02pm
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    Well Hell..

    I've heard Boulder but not Portland nor Seattle. Still, it's been a decade since I listened to Boulder. I'm gonna toss these in the pick of the day thread as soon as the queue clears up.

    One of my all-time sleeper Dave's Picks is #8 because it simply kicks ass, oh and that recording.... I consider it a rarity.

  • January 20, 2022 - 8:08pm
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    Some excellent shows; start with Boulder, end with Alaska and slip in Portland and Seattle in between. No idea if these are in the vault or cassette masters.

    Last 5:

    Misfits: Static Age
    Misfits: Walk Among Us
    Fleetwoods: Mr Blue
    LaVern Baker: 1st Atlantic LP
    Megadeth: Rust In Peace

  • January 20, 2022 - 7:31pm
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    Testing the Waters

    So in addition to the 'standard' percentage of 80's in Dave's Picks, if they wanted to test the waters they could start with a mini Greek, the two show Frost or the three show Anchorage. Produce, market and let it rip.. then see how it did. Lather, rinse and either let it flow down the drain if sales were poor or repeat.

    But a pragmatic mind might start there and see how it goes. At $8 to $10 disc, it would be worth the risk. Even if they are considering this, and one must think it has come up.. I still think they will continue as is for the next couple of years.

    I also enjoy the 82 Frosts and agree with Cousins. I have to give the 81 Greek another listen. Agree on the 85 Greeks as well. The 87 Greeks were good but the tapes are not. The 88 Greeks are under-rated in my opinion. And then there is Anchorage. I need to look at the 89 shows again, and some of these might be multi-track, not sure.

    If it's gonna happen these shows are a good place to test things out. I think we are going to get a multi-track release next. The documentation on these is not as tight as one would think.. for example, are there complete lists of the multi-tracks in the vault? If so I have not seen it.

    .. I am going to smoke and think a while on this. Time will tell.

  • January 20, 2022 - 6:06pm
    billy the kiddd
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    Cousins/ Greek/Frost

    Cousins, I agree with you, those 81 Greek shows were my favorite of all the Greek shows. Your right, Garcia's voice at the 85 Frost shows was rough, but the Dead played great at those shows. The 82 Frost shows were fantastic. Between the Greek , Frost and the Warfield it was a great time to be seeing the Grateful Dead in the Bay Area.

  • January 20, 2022 - 5:31pm
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    I agree with Jim - I cannot see them releasing an 80s box set mastered from cassettes. I recall all of the hub bub when some of those shows were released. All the talk was pretty much about how bad the audio was. It seems like too great a risk. I would think "bad" product would hurt the overall fan sponsorship more than "repetitive" product (and just to be clear, "bad" means the audio quality, not the performance).

    It's been so long - maybe the Greek run everyone talks about to cover the first half of the year, and the 3 Boston Tea Party shows to end the year (the set lists are incredible). Safe to assume they're all in the Vault?

    Not that I wouldn't be completely into a '72 box, it just seems unlikely since St. Louis just came out. But they could sure throw one in as DaP 43 or 44. I would enjoy any of these:

    7/18/72
    8/24/72
    11/19/72
    12/31/72

    December 1972 would be a cool month to have a show from at last, and the NYE show is legendary. Or...we could have 3 Box Sets next year - 1969, 1972, and 89/90. Call it "End of the World with the Grateful Dead " Episodes I, II, and III. This would generate the urgency required to market 3 box sets in a calendar year.

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
 
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
 
LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
 
The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
 
The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
 
All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
 
Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
 
Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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I saw the Dead on 10/31/83 at the Marin Vets, no stories really. I had a lot more fun the night before because all my friends were there, my friends didn't get tickets for 10/31 so I was there by my self. I saw Garcia at the Oakland Auditorium on Halloween. I had a ticket to see the Dead on 10/31/84, but I got a bad case of poison oak and didn't feel like going. I wish I could have seen the Dead on 10/31/67 & 10/31/69, and I wish they would release those shows.

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Did you catch those? Thoughts if you did.
I seem to recall having a few tapes from that run, and word of mouth scuttle about them being positive?

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i just logged back on in along time....i don't even have to go back and read..i already know..

....if you can take 17 minutes out of your day, check out the Axilla II they shredded last night. Wowzers! They are on top of their game. I had great seats stage left on the riser section.
The riser was bouncing! 👌
Met some great people. Plenty of "party favors" being gifted. The first thing I do when I get seated, is get the names of my immediate neighbors. There were three John's and two Amy's last night lol.
Taking tonight off, but have grate seats for Halloween.

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Oro and Jim, thank you both as well. I plan to stay in shape and keep up with BJJ for as long as I can. I think I am one of the younger commenters on these pages, but at my BJJ academy, I am one of the oldest. There are few guys that have about a year on me, but most people's I train with are in their 20's to early 30's. They are hard to handle, but I can still hold my own, at least for now.

I saw Phish this summer in Hershey. I had great time , but these West Shows look bonkers. What I have heard sounds great. Phish has been on top of their game I think for a while now, really least for the past 4 years or so. I need to do so more listening but it seemed like they turned their game up somewhere around 2015-2016 and just kept improving from then. Now it seems like just about every show is above average if not stellar.

Also, I will say that Dead & Co have upped their game as well. I saw them at Blossom this summer. I felt like that show was OK, but there where some really good shows over summer. Plus some of their recent West Coast shows have been high level as well from I have heard. As I typed this, I watched the free 2nd set opener for tonight - it was a very well played Jack Straw.

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50 years ago today……………

October 31, 1971
Ohio Theater, Columbus, Ohio

Set 1: Bertha-Me & My Uncle-Deal-Playing In The Band-Loser-El Paso-Tennessee Jed-Jack Straw-Big Railroad Blues-Brown Eyed Women-Mexicali Blues-Casey Jones-Cumberland Blues-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Dark Star>Sugar Magnolia>St. Stephen>Not Fade Away>Goin’ Down The Road Feelin’ Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to Jason Stempin…………

Long before the awakening of thought on earth, manifestations of cosmic energy must have been produced which have no parallel today………

The first set, average while fine, gives no hint of the cosmic energy that would be unleashed in the second set. Previously uncirculated, officially released as the only single-disc Dick’s Picks in March 1995, this exploded like a supernova upon first listening way back when. And it has stood up to repeated listening since then. It is indeed very very fine, one of the best official 1971 releases……

To quote DL himself: “I’m absolutely thrilled. I can’t believe that anyone who hears this is not going to go to outer space, intensely, over and over… This show was like getting hit with a brick in the face, I couldn’t believe it. I put it on again and said ‘Man!’ I must have played it ten times before I could talk… This is as good as it’s ever been. I’ve never heard anything like it, and I’m shocked… I have to put myself in a seatbelt. I start shaking, it’s so exciting… This is a thrill a minute.”

Doubt thou the stars are fire, doubt that the sun doth move, doubt truth to be a liar, but never doubt I love……..

Rock on!

Doc
I will love the light for it shows me the way, yet I will endure the darkness because it shows me the stars……

I played Dicks Picks 2 myself last night....a wonderful disc. Proof positive that the distilled highlights of a show make for a great release. Unique Dark Star - both jazz inflected and melodic, with Jerry shining brightest. Hardly a whisper can be heard from Keith, though. Which probably adds to the tracks uniqueness-they could presumabley hear him, and respond to his playing-but we can't - we can only hear the response.

John Keats birthday today, too. Author of some of the most transcendental poems I have ever read - "Was it a vision or a waking dream/Fled is that music - Do I wake or sleep?"

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just reread some of the comments after I made my now infamous comment. Someone said bla, bla, bla which made no sense some said, I, I, me, me, I, I, I lol, some even agreed with me, thank you. Some even misunderstood what I said and some even put words into my mouth. I never said it was a rip off, I never said any thing that I thought was negative, just an opinion about what I thought and my preferences. You know what, I don't have to explain my self to some of you on this site who think you are the dead head of all deadheads, lol, get over your selves. Like I said before, my days of blindly buying dead music is over, I will listen first, try and get some information from non brainwashed deadheads about sound quality and make an INFORMED decision, that is all.
Of course I am down for another year of Dave's, but I too wish I could hear the releases first, (or at least know what they are going to be) then purchase, but then they wouldn't be able to sell any less than stellar shows which as we all know can be included in this set up. I will still blindly purchase these releases for the bonus disc and the early bird pricing. That is what keeps me coming back, early bird is like 4 for the price of 3, plus a bonus disc, a real no brainer. And as was stated by someone, if I don't like one of the releases, I can always sell it on ebay for double what it cost, lol.
Thanks for the heads up about the new Johnny Cash release from Bear, Dennis. I am truly sorry to hear that, I was so looking forward to hearing some Man in Black from the height of hippy days. I do understand that Bear was into a lot of things and recording the Grateful Dead was a passion and perhaps he had a bit of trouble with the set up due to the type of music it was and the way it was played, being used to the Dead and that set up. I don't know, just a theory. Still, would love to hear it.

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Daverock, once again your intellligent and insightful comments make such a great case for partial releases. Using DP2( 10/31/71), is the perfect example, that is one of my all time favorite releases. There is really great material out there in the form of partial releases from 1968, 1969, & 1970. I listen to those shows on the Archive and sometimes there might be a nasty reel flip that makes releasing the whole show not the best option, but there is tremendous music all around that reel flip would make for a killer release. Aoxomoxoa 50th anniversary release is another example of a partial release, the music from the Avalon Balllroom is really cool. I would always prefer a complete release if it is possible,but you make such a great point using 10/31/71 as an example, why partial releases can be cool.

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10/31/71 - See Doc's review, this one contains one of our favorite Dark Stars. My first listen was followed with a Wow and am immediate relisten.

Didn't I hear the reels for the first set were not in the vault? I thought they did not exist, but they seem to be represented on the archive. I do think we have a case for shows with missing reels to make their way into Dave's Picks under the umbrella of Full Show releases. They sort of blew through this barrier when they released fifth reel of 2/27/77 at the end of Dave's Picks Vol. 29

February 27, 1977 – Robertson Gym, University Of California, Santa Barbara, California:
"Morning Dew" (Bonnie Dobson, Tim Rose) – 13:58
"Sugar Magnolia" (Weir, Hunter) – 9:45
"Johnny B. Goode" (Chuck Berry) – 4:23

Dick's Picks 2 - an instant classic. A great release. Happy Halloween all.. trip or treat?

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As I said I'm glad I got the Johnny cd (also the fucking album :-) )

But was shocked at the recording. The recordings of San Quentin and Folsom are FAR superior. Of course they were set up to make a record so the recording should be top notch,,,, right? :-) It was of course a "Columbia Stereo 360" album!

Like most "country" the songs are SHORT! 28 Songs on this cd.

But if you like the man in black, get it. I like supporting the Owsley recordings.

On the Johnny front... I remember when Ice-T was having trouble with Body Count's Cop Killer and people were whining about the violence in rap. He said nobody complained when Johnny Cash sang, "I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die".

Then in Cocaine Blues Johnny sings.....

99 years underneath that ground
I can't forget the day I shot that bad bitch down

Life's funny!

Update on Johnny - ok my 3rd time thru. I'm getting use to the sound, I think maybe it was a mono recording(?) Not as muddy as first blush listen. But the distance between vocals and drums is weird. Like Johnny was standing on left side of stage at the edge and one guy with a drum kit was in the far rear right side. Odd imaging.

Glad I got!

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I don’t mind some of the partials.
Vol 14 comes to mind.
As long as the songs are sorta in order.
Don’t like when they totally do Boroughs like cut ups.
Ladies and Gentlemen for example. Doesn’t have the same flow.

EDIT: looking forward to taking vol 2 for a ride, it’s been awhile.

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I listened to DP2 extensively in the 90’s. Set 2 is smoking and the release sounded so much better than the cassettes I was collecting at the time.

But, I doubt that the quality of Set 2 would be diminished if Set 1 was included in the release. Full shows should be released when possible, and everyone will have the option of putting what CD’s they want into their CD player.

I also don’t believe that Dave and Rhino have a policy that incomplete shows won’t get released. Everything worthwhile will come out eventually. But, once again, Dave and Rhino have 30 years of material to work with and shouldn’t have to cater to a single group that demands that they get all the attention (that includes pre-hiatus, post-hiatus, Donna-in, Donna-out, Brent, heroin-Jerry, etc., etc.).

I am thankful and Grateful that these recordings exist and that they are being polished up and released. Keep them coming Dave and Rhino, from all years so that an accurate representation of the entire career of the Greatest Band In The Universe is available.

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I was going to get the Bear recording but if the sound quality is not there I might rethink it.

Speaking of questionable lyrics,
On 12-20-69 Lovelight Pigpen says something like “so I grabbed my gun and told that cunt to get out”.

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Just checked my HD and I have around 30 GB of 1968 in uncompressed AIFF format, around 2/3 - 3/4 of it are Charlie Miller remasters.

Officially released so far
1-20%
1-23%
2-2%
2-14
2-23
2-24
3-17
8-21-68%
8-23,24% 2FTV (which is 3 CD’s if you get the rerelease)
10-20

So, quite a bit has actually been released, including the partials and fragments some people prefer.

And for the rest those Charlie Miller’s are just sitting there waiting. You can only blame yourself if you don’t go get them.

Of course, when more 68 does get released some people are going to complain that it doesn’t sound like a 72.

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I have only listened once. Sounds good to my ears
Caveat emptor
1. One song 'Tall lover man' fades out before end as tape ran out
2. Hawk explains weird mix in booklet about wide separation between channels. They tried remixing to conventional stereo separation but didn't like the sound. Bear, had he been alive, would have suggested pushing speakers together
I don't mind these issues
Tim Buckley OSF release has similar issues with incomplete tapes and is also great

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I had been on the fence on getting Cash & Carter’s Bear release, but only because the set list is so very similar to much of his two “Prison” masterpieces. Surprised the sound on this release might be below the usual standard for Bear, because the 3 or 4 Bear Foundation release I have certainly have superior sonics (although the mixing of Jerry’s pedal steel is a tad high in the mix on parts of the NRPS release, but that is pepper & fly poop stuff, overall it is fantastic).

What does get five stars in my mind is the River box set release. Yes, a hiccup here and there, but for overall vibe of a great band starting to hit their peak, this was extremely well done. The music, the show selection, theme, artwork, the case itself…absolutely five stars. If it is one thing the Dylan team would do that I would absolutely jump on, is aside from the Bootleg series, is to hire a legacy team with the vision and savvy of Dave Lemieux and Jeffrey Norman et al, and start releasing some of the gems from his Never Ending Tour (which starts up again this week!). I’ve seen this guy bring some AMAZING bands through, guys like GE Smith, Charlie Sexton, Duke Robillard, and Larry Campbell. A Daves Does Dylan series would be amazing!

A Mummy walks into a bar, clearly frazzled. The bartender says “What can I get you, fella?” The Mummy says “Anything to help me unwind”

A Ghost walks into a bar, and sits himself at a barstool. “What’ll it be?” asks the barkeep.
“Any kind of boos you got is fine” replies the ghost.

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I love the music in this box, but with a box the size of an album, why is the book included got font so small you need a magnifying glass to read it? Only disappointment...

No, not here.

From Roger Waters.
Go to his site and read what he posted on 5-31-21, it’s under the ‘updates’ section.

Glad that the members of GD didn’t act that way, or if they did, at least it wasn’t broadcast to the public.

I forgot to mention this when I first saw it, but check out the story of how Randy Bachman’s Gretsch that was stolen in 1976 was located in Japan, and he is going to trade an identical one to get his back.

Good story about Randy Bachaman redisovering his original Gretsch. It said online that by 2008 he had got 350 of them !
I don't think I have ever seen or read an interview with Roger Waters that has warmed me to him.

Put me strongly in the camp of wanting to hear all opinions of Dead releases and shows. I think it is important. We all clearly won't like everything the same, but that is okay.

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My Listen to the River box arrived sans book and sans extra goodies, just CDs and an empty slot. I've been trying to get remedy with the on-line customer service for 2 weeks. I've made essentially no progress, not even sure they understand the problem. And now they've gone silent for the last week. I'm a long time customer of Dead.net. Very disappointing and concerning. In the good old days (not that long ago) I could call someone who would solve my problem quickly and simply. Now I'm stuck in e-mail hell. I have noticed a lot more customer service issues on the site. I hope someone at Dead.net actually cares about their customers. It is not obvious.

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I am surprised at how different the 12/9/71 and 12/10/72 shows are. How can this great band have such a difference in quality and experience in just 24 short hours? Love them both and continually pleased that the surprises afforded by this great band continue on. I listened to the Dead a bit when I was in high school, actually started listening right around the time Jerry died. Then I lost track of them for the most part for the last 25 or so years. I would listen to them in the summer here or there while grilling. But this past year, I decided to just shuffle all of my GD catalog while staining a wooden swing. Something set the hook in my mind and I have been listening to the Dead pretty much exclusively all year long. I was lucky enough to see Dead and Co. a few weeks ago at Riverbend in Cincinnati and even though I went alone, I had the time of my life. My wife and kids all are familiar with the Dead now and my kids are even picking up the tunes. My son who is 14 listens to Wharf Rat pretty frequently and it is just so great. Thank you, Grateful Dead, America, and God, for this amazing boon of art, expression, and mind-satiating goodness!

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I do not know what is going on with WMG but my last two orders have not gone well at all. Presently a month after release I still have not had my digital download fulfilled. No matter how I reach out I get nothing. it is very hard to understand this. I have been a loyal fan of this band for decades and have spent thousands of dollars on their incredible music. All I want is what I paid for. If anyone can help please please reach out.

Well a day after I posted here I received a reply from WMG. I love this band deeply and want to continue to financially and legally acquire as much of their incredible music as I can but I have had 3 pretty terrible experiences in a row now with WMG and hope that someone in the higher ups will see this and look into the process more carefully. Long live the Grateful Dead !

There is a digital version of the box.. alac is $139.98 and flac is $174.98. Hang in there man.. sometimes it's not exactly perfect but they seem to pull through.

The digital download is numbered too.. it's all 0's and 1's.

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Jonnie Pre: on pg. 2 of Forum Topics is one titled 'Got Issues With Your Store Order'. Marye keeps up with any problems and does a great job.

JimInMd: thanks, I told a friend there was no digital option also. I'm sure they'll be happy to hear otherwise.

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As people have said earlier in this thread the reason some UK purchasers were hit with a demand for £63.15 was the addition of £17.58 in extra duty that did not need to be paid on cd purchases. UPS have just responded to my emails telling me this and will arrange for a refund which may take a couple of months. So if you haven’t queried the charge then you should. They tell me it is because the supplier identified the item as clothing which does attract 12% duty. I have emailed customer services here to ask them to be more careful with their labelling in future.
As an aside I notice that my DaP #40 has cleared customs in the UK so with a bit of luck I might see it early next week

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A similar story here to the UK delivery charges story, but even worse. I kid you not. People here had to pay €116.07 ($134) to UPS. This comprised €13.00 provision, €2.73 VAT on the provision, €47.09 VAT on the goods and €53.25 import duty. VAT here is 21% but we were charged 27.6%. Import duty here varies between 0% and 12% - for books and CDs it is 0% but we were charged 31.2%. How this is possible is not clear to me. Either the UPS person doing the paperwork is totally inept or a blatant thief. Anyway, after some calls to UPS, the matter was sorted and credit notes were sent out. The credit note is for €64.43 and shows that instead of being charged €116.07, we should have been charged €51.64.

I hope in the future that these box sets are sent out using the same Mail Innovations that is used for Dave's Picks. That way the customs declaration is filled out by the sender and taxes, duties etc. are levied by the customs. UPS seem totally incapable of doing this in a correct manner themselves.

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Colin -and Simon, good news. Perseverance obviously pays off. You have to stay focussed, though don't you! I phoned them and emailed them about 10 days ago. They assured me they would get back to me, didn't, and I forgot about it again. So thanks for keeping this subject on the agenda. I will phone then again on Monday. I paid the £63 plus.

Declaring CD’s to be clothing on legal customs documentation.

You should all get together and find a lawyer in California (probably not very hard) to file a class action lawsuit against WMG and seek restitution and damages.
Keep in mind that the lawyer will probably take 49% of the settlement.

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Apparently the US shipper stated that the contents was "Listen to the River CD Box" but by the time I received it the contents on the UPS invoice was declared as "Merch" which could mean literally anything. Just about everything that could be done wrongly was done wrongly.

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There is most definitely a download version of the box available. Still.

And I'm surprised downloading is not a more popular option, given how many people report that the first they do on receiving these things is to rip the discs (to a phone or whatever, I guess) and then put the CDs back in the box and file it away in the attics of their lives. I wonder why they don't just get the download, which is cheaper, and which avoids shipping costs and delays?

It's a long lane that go no end, it's a bad wind don't never change.

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You don't wear cds?

P.S. Come to think of it, is it the bandana...?

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50 years ago today…..

November 6, 1971
Harding Theater, San Francisco, California

Set 1: Bertha-Me And My Uncle-Sugaree-Jack Straw-Tennessee Jed-El Paso-Loser-Playing In The Band-Cumberland Blues-Black Peter-Beat It On Down The Line-Deal-Mexicali Blues-Sing Me Back Home-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Ramble On Rose-Me And Bobby McGee-Cryptical Envelopment>drums>The Other One>Cryptical Envelopment>Comes A Time-Sugar Magnolia-Brown-Eyed Women-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

A solid, well played show, with a blazing Bertha opener, nice first set versions of Black Peter and Sing Me Back Home (the last SMBH of 1971), a complete Cryptical/Other One/Cryptical suite (which sweetly goes into Comes A Time [an unusual coupling]), and a typically November-nice NFA suite (according to Dick Latvala himself, “One of the most exciting versions.”).

Definitely recommended!!!

And, incidentally, dedicated to Hugo Winterhalter….

Rock on!!

Doc
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Hello all, I bought 2 Get Shown the Light box sets way back when they were originally released ... I hate the packaging, hate the way the discs slide in and out of those way too big cases ... for a long time I've kept the second box unopened, thinking it might be valuable someday (then they released the all music edition) ... so I've struggled with the 5 5 77 show for years, the second disc simply will not play ... so I opened the second box today, went right to 5 5 77 disc 2, and lo and behold, same exact thing, defective, won't play ... disc 1 plays fine, but the 5 5 77 disc 2 from both copies of the box set I bought will not play ... I can't imagine that I'm the only person with this issue, given my 0 for 2 performance on the same disk from 2 different box sets ... This is beyond frustrating. Has anybody else had issues with 5 5 77 disc 2?

Crow, I think some folks just like collecting “stuff”. I know it’s not a very trendy thing, but some do and to me it’s the ultimate back up. No matter how well you try and protect and back up, it’s nice to know you have the physical media on the shelf, just in case.
Now Dennis on the other hand… ; )

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Quite the change from the '72 shows. But bluesy seems to be the predominant theme flowing through this release. 'American Night' could have been an alternate title. With that said, at the moment this BT Wind is my favorite verion-- on account of Keith undulating his electric while Jerry piques out some perfectly heart felt licks. Less can be more. Eyes is probably the most intense playing not just of the first set, but the second set as well. Clicks into place just the way any head would want it. Although, that Greatest Story is equally wicked. But the quieter approaches taken with the Truckin' jam and TOO appeal to me as well, with Jerry tucked off to the side. Nice to have that to select from when not up for the teeth chattering drive the jams are known for. Oh, can't leave the Bertha out. Got Phil to thank for that one!!!

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50 years ago today…..

November 7, 1971
Harding Theater, San Francisco, California

Set 1: Truckin'-Brown-Eyed Women-Beat It On Down The Line-Hideaway-Sugaree-Jack Straw-Tennessee Jed-Cumberland Blues-El Paso-Big Railroad Blues-Comes A Time-Mexicali Blues-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Ramble On Rose-Me And Bobby McGee-Loser-Sugar Magnolia-Dark Star>drums>The Other One>Me And My Uncle>The Other One>Deal-Brokedown Palace-Playing In The Band-Casey Jones-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Encores: Johnny B. Goode-Uncle John's Band

Deadicated to bolo24, because I will not follow where the path may lead, but I will go where there is no path, and I will leave a trail……

Great and classic show and a long-time personal favorite. It has pretty much everything you could ask of the Dead in this era. Rockers, Cowboy songs, hot jams, the unusual coupling of Dark Star and The Other One, an unbelievably smoking NFA transition jam (maybe the best ever?), plus even the often-expected equipment difficulties, AND jokes from the audience! The circulating broadcast copies are excellent quality and highly recommended. The band sounds loose, and the crowd sounds juiced. OK yes there’s no Pigpen, but still highly highly recommended, a classic of the first rank!!

Rock on!!

Doc
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This radio broadcast from 1971 was one my friend and I listened to a lot. His older brother had recorded it off the radio. We had a few all-nighters cranking this in a friend's SF apartment while parents were away. Fond memories.

My friend actually attended one of the shows, lucky dog. Harding was a very small room with a balcony, which has seen hard times. If you google it, there are pictures, because there was an effort in SF to name it a historic building. Not sure if it still exists.

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This box it just keeps growing on me. The 1973 stuff is really really good. I just listened to one of the best Wharf Rats I can recall from pre-hiatus times. Jerrybcomes through loud and clear, which in my mind is key to a good Wharf Rat (i.e. the mesmerizing repeating guitar chords). He also plays one of the best outro solos since the Pigpen Statue of Liberty Dave's Picks (Bonus Disc version), 1972.

The Dark Star from 10/30 has quickly climbed the ladder in my mental list of all time favorite Dark Stars.

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