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Some nice video from the epic year of 1989. This takes 9 DVDs in total, all shows complete. If you click on my "name", you'll see in the fan photo section screen shots from each show to get an idea of the quality (7/7 is better than the screen shot makes it look). 6/21/89 -- proshot vid with soundboard audio (taken from pay-per-view broadcast). 7/7/89 -- audience shot vid on tripod with Healy matrix audio. 10/9/89 -- audience shot vid on tripod with sbd audio. Here's hoping that before this vine runs its course, we'll pull the 7/7 discs once that show is officially released on DVD! I'll include the technical details with the discs.

Started by Pomo1. I offer this interesting show from the Fillmore at Irving Plaza July 15, 2008 featuring the Mickey Hart Band with Steve Kimock, George Porter, Jr., Jen Durkin, Kyle Hollingsworth, Walfredo Reyes, Jr., and Sikiru Adepoju joining Mickey. disc 1/Set 1: 1. Maria Malito, Q104.3 DJ intro 2. Shakedown Street 3. Manila Farewell 4. Seven Seconds 5. Self Defense 6. Tolongo -> 7. Fountains of Wood 8. Eyes of The World -> 9. Good Lovin' disc 2/Set 2 (beg): 1. The Center 2. Strange World 3. Your House -> 4. The Other One -> 5. Arabian Wind -> 6. The Other One (reprise) -> 7. Sugaree disc 3/Set 2 (end): 8. Scarlet Begonias -> 9. Fire On The Mountain 10. encore break/band intros 11. Papa Was A Rolling Stone -> 12. Iko Iko "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

1991-03-21 Capital Centre, Landover, MD Source: SBD -> Dat -> Cassette Master (TDK SA-X100) D Lineage: Cassette Master (Nakamichi DR-1) -> Apogee MiniMe (24bit/48k) -> Transferred by: Charlie Miller Keywords: Soundboard; Charlie Miller Disc 1 1. Tuning 2. Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo 3. Mexicali Blues -> 4. Big River 5. Candyman 6. Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again 7. Bird Song Disc 2 1. Tuning 2. Victim Or The Crime -> 3. Scarlet Begonias -> 4. Fire On The Mountain -> 5. Stir It Up Jam -> 6. Drums 7. Space -> Disc 3 1. Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad -> 2. Throwing Stones -> 3. Not Fade Away Encore: 4. Not Fade Away 5. Box Of Rain 1991-04-05 The Omni, Atlanta, GA 1. Tuning 2. Shakedown Street 3. New Minglewood Blues 4. Stagger Lee 5. Mama Tried 6. Mexicali Blues 7. Friend of the Devil 8. Queen Jane Approximately 9. deal Disc 2 1. Iko Iko 2. Saint Of Circumstance 3. Terrapin Station 4. Stir It Up Jam 5. Drums 6. Space Disc 3 1. The Other One 2. Wharf Rat 3. Throwing Stones 4. Not Fade Away 5. The Might Quinn

If any of our bit torrenting friends (Rick, Bob, CB etal) are looking for suggestions, spring/summer '90 would be much appreciated. Off the top of my head, and ok, looking at my list, I believe the only official releases have been Dozin' At The Knick (3/24,25,26), Terrapin Limited and a download (not sure of dates), and the only vined shows have been Nassau (3/28,29,30), Atlanta (4/1), Eugene (6/23) and Louisville (7/6). Lots of good stuff in between. Thanks to all the above mentioned gentleman and everyone else who contributes here.

I knew there was a reason I was compelled to gather these shows ( and all the shows I have)That is to share with my friends, so let’s get sharing. This will be a 2 DVD FLAC only vine due to time constrains. Enjoy your summer it only comes by once a year. Peace Rick ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) gd90-07-16.sbd.miller.95782.sbeok.flac16 gd90-07-18.sbd.miller.95807.sbeok.flac16 gd90-07-19.sbd.walker.scotton.miller.95783.sbeok.flac16 gd90-07-21.sbd.walker.scotton.miller.95809.sbeok.flac16 gd90-07-22.sbd.walker.scotton.miller.95870.sbeok.flac16 gd90-07-23.sbd.walker.scotton.miller.95898.sbeok.flac16 ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) Grateful Dead - July 16, 1990 Rich Stadium - Orchard Park, NY Recording Info: SBD -> Dat Master (48k) Transfer Info: Dat Master (Sony R500) -> Sound Devices 744T -> Samplitude Professional v10.1 -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net November 13, 2008 Notes: -- Set 2 is seamless -- Thanks to Joani Walker and Paul Scotton for the tapes Set 1: d1t01 - Tuning d1t02 - Hell In A Bucket d1t03 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo d1t04 - Blow Away d1t05 - Mama Tried -> d1t06 - Mexicali Blues d1t07 - Loose Lucy d1t08 - It's All Over Now d1t09 - High Time d1t10 - Let It Grow -> d1t11 - Don't Ease Me In Set 2: d2t01 - Tuning d2t02 - Sugar Magnolia -> d2t03 - Scarlet Begonias -> d2t04 - Man Smart, Woman Smarter d2t05 - Ship Of Fools d2t06 - Truckin' -> d2t07 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - The Wheel -> d3t03 - Gimme Some Lovin' -> d3t04 - Wharf Rat -> d3t05 - Around And Around -> d3t06 - Sunshine Daydream Encore: d3t07 - Brokedown Palace ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) Grateful Dead - July 18, 1990 Deer Creek Music Center - Noblesville, IN Recording Info: Set 1: SBD -> Cassette Master -> ART DIO (24bit/96k) -> Sound Forge 7 -> CD Set 2: SBD -> Dat Master (48k) Transfer Info: Set 1: CD -> Samplitude Professional v10.1 -> FLAC Set 2: Dat Master (Sony R500) -> Sound Devices 744T -> Samplitude Professional v10.1 -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net November 14, 2008 Patch Info: (FOB) Neumann KM54 -> Dat -> CD (shnid=7358) supplies: Help On The Way (0:00 - 0:11) Notes: -- Set 2 is seamless -- Set 1 is a remaster of shnid=26352 -- Thanks to Andy Lemieux, David Gans and David Hollister for Set 1 -- Thanks to Joani Walker and Paul Scotton for the Set 2 tape Set 1: d1t01 - Help On The Way -> d1t02 - Slipknot! -> d1t03 - Franklin's Tower d1t04 - New Minglewood Blues d1t05 - Easy To Love You d1t06 - Peggy-O d1t07 - When I Paint My Masterpiece d1t08 - Brown Eyed Women d1t09 - Cassidy d1t10 - Deal Set 2: d2t01 - Tuning d2t02 - China Cat Sunflower -> d2t03 - I Know You Rider -> d2t04 - Looks Like Rain -> d2t05 - Terrapin Station -> d2t06 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - The Other One -> d3t03 - Morning Dew Encore: d3t04 - The Weight ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) Grateful Dead - July 19, 1990 Deer Creek Music Center - Noblesville, IN Recording Info: SBD -> Dat Master (48k) Transfer Info: Dat Master (Sony R500) -> Sound Devices 744T -> Samplitude Professional v10.1 -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net November 13, 2008 Notes: -- Set 2 is seamless -- Thanks to Joani Walker and Paul Scotton for the tapes -- Most other circulating copies actually have a Hi-Fi VHS gen in them Set 1: d1t01 - Tuning d1t02 - Jack Straw d1t03 - They Love Each Other d1t04 - Desolation Row d1t05 - Row Jimmy d1t06 - Picasso Moon d1t07 - Althea -> d1t08 - The Promised Land Set 2: d2t01 - Tuning d2t02 - Victim Or The Crime -> d2t03 - Foolish Heart -> d2t04 - Playing In The Band -> d2t05 - China Doll -> d2t06 - Uncle John's Band -> d2t07 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - All Along The Watchtower -> d3t03 - Black Peter -> d3t04 - Not Fade Away Encore: d3t05 - U.S. Blues ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) Grateful Dead - July 21, 1990 World Music Theatre - Tinley Park, IL Recording Info: SBD -> Dat Master (48k) Transfer Info: Dat Master (Sony R500) -> Sound Devices 744T -> Samplitude Professional v10.1 -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net November 14, 2008 Notes: -- Set 2 is seamless -- Thanks to Joani Walker and Paul Scotton for the tapes Set 1: d1t01 - Tuning d1t02 - Touch Of Grey -> d1t03 - Greatest Story Ever Told d1t04 - Jack-A-Roe d1t05 - Walkin' Blues d1t06 - Friend Of The Devil d1t07 - Just A Little Light d1t08 - Queen Jane Approximately d1t09 - Bird Song Set 2: d2t01 - Tuning d2t02 - Scarlet Begonias -> d2t03 - Fire On The Mountain d2t04 - Playing In The Band -> d2t05 - He's Gone -> d2t06 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - I Need A Miracle -> d3t03 - Crazy Fingers -> d3t04 - Playing Jam -> d3t05 - Dear Mr. Fantasy -> d3t06 - Playing In The Band Reprise -> d3t07 - One More Saturday Night Encore: d3t08 - The Mighty Quinn (Quinn The Eskimo) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) Grateful Dead - July 22, 1990 World Music Theatre - Tinley Park, IL Recording Info: SBD -> Dat Master (48k) Transfer Info: Dat Master (Sony R500) -> Sound Devices 744T -> Samplitude Professional v10.1 -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net November 16, 2008 Notes: -- Set 2 is seamless -- Thanks to Joani Walker and Paul Scotton for the tapes Set 1: d1t01 - Tuning d1t02 - Box Of Rain d1t03 - Feel Like A Stranger d1t04 - Loser d1t05 - Beat It On Down The Line d1t06 - West L.A. Fadeaway d1t07 - When I Paint My Masterpiece d1t08 - Far From Me d1t09 - Tennessee Jed d1t10 - Hell In A Bucket Set 2: d2t01 - Samson And Delilah d2t02 - Hey Pocky Way d2t03 - Estimated Prophet -> d2t04 - Eyes Of The World -> d2t05 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - The Wheel -> d3t03 - Gimme Some Lovin' -> d3t04 - Stella Blue -> d3t05 - Throwing Stones -> d3t06 - Turn On Your Lovelight Encore: d3t07 - Knockin' On Heaven's Door ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) Grateful Dead - July 23, 1990 World Music Theatre - Tinley Park, IL Recording Info: SBD -> Dat Master (48k) Transfer Info: Dat Master (Sony R500) -> Sound Devices 744T -> Samplitude Professional v10.1 -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net November 17, 2008 Notes: -- Set 2 is seamless -- Thanks to Joani Walker and Paul Scotton for the tapes Set 1: d1t01 - Tuning d1t02 - Cold Rain & Snow d1t03 - Picasso Moon d1t04 - Never Trust A Woman d1t05 - Stagger Lee d1t06 - Cassidy d1t07 - Truckin' -> d1t08 - Nobody's Fault But Mine Jam -> d1t09 - Smokestack Lightning Set 2: d2t01 - Tuning d2t02 - Victim Or The Crime -> d2t03 - Foolish Heart -> d2t04 - Man Smart, Woman Smarter -> d2t05 - Terrapin Station -> d2t06 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - All Along The Watchtower -> d3t03 - Standing On The Moon -> d3t04 - Around And Around -> d3t05 - Good Lovin' Encore: d3t06 - The Weight ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-) ~:-)

Hello everyone . I call you all here today to talk about protecting the vines . I recently received a rather large vine , well actually a large envelope full of loose discs. When you are re-seeding or seeding a vine it would be nice to see the disc`s in some sort of protection , that way they last a good long time and get around to everyone. I also received a dvd vine that had 2 dvd`s shoved into one envelope, that`s cool . But at least insert a peice of paper or something between the disc`s so they don`t get all scrached up by each other (like these did).these disc``s do get bounced around a lot while they are in transit , and that don`t help them. the quality does deminish after so many miles, eventually they do get to where they can`t be copied at all. that has happenend to me once. So please be kind to the vines and let`s all help them get to everyone in one peice. The vines mentioned above will be taken care of well from me ,so let`s try to keep it that way . One more thing , Posting ! we`v all got to make sure that we post vine in vine out. And PM the person ahead of you to make sure they are still active, exspeicaly if we hav`nt seen that person post anything in a while. We had one recent incedent that hopefully is ,was taken care of . but it did cause quite a stir of bad vibes. Let`s try Not to let anything like that happen again. Let`s be kind to the vines ,(and each other) we are all caretakers 0f the vines let`s try to do the best we can . That is all . I hope everyone has a nice day ! ps: was that ok ? I did`nt point the finger at anyone so no one should take this to heart.. (nothing personal here)

That was perfect. Every once in a while we need to be reminded about being considerate for the other viners down the line.I also seem to notice that recently some people have just left the vineyard, so I also think it is a good idea to PM the person following you if they have been "inactive" recently before sending out a vine. Let's all do our best to keep this wonderful place thriving. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

Mark in the Dark vanished plus others. We need folks like him who has the time to stay on top of the vines. I have told some heads (not here) to come over to this site--that this is one of the best kept little secrets. They have not come or lost interest due to the waiting. If you are patient and can hang around for the long haul, you will be rewarded. I estimate that 50 to 60% of my collection came from here. Many thanks.

it is imperative for the CDs to survive, that they be protected! Please take care, some of this music may not continue to be available in this upgraded condition, if we need to respect the media and take means to ensure it will last for others to enjoy. If tapers treated their master recordings like the CDs are being treated right now, there would be nothing left to listen to. Please do your part. And I agree with ExploratoryData, please work on a vine turnaround of 4 to 5 days if possible. I am guilty of going slower that that on occasions, but if you can set that as a goal to work towards, this will keep the vine moving and other viners interested and involved. I have gotten some shows that I had only dreamed of as well as upgraded several others. The Vineyard has greatly enriched my collection of live music. And I have been blessed to be able to share a few vines as well. AND to restate, viners, communicate with one another! MarkintheDark did the vine a grate service with his 'policing'. We need to monitor ourselves and be responsible and work to share the music. Enough of my sermon. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.

This site is awesome and I really enjoy chatting with you all while beefing up my music collection! But I agree, there are "very few rules to guide", no but seriously there are only a couple of simple basic "rules" to follow and this site hums along really well. Thanks to everyone for making this place so special! "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

We did lose our hall monitor when Mark vanished before our very eyes. So, we do need to be mindful of taking care of what we have here. Some folks will come and go, some of us have been around awhile - but we all have the same responsibility to take care of the music! May the vines continue to grow and flourish! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

This show simply kicks it! Band Name; Led Zeppelin Venue; Pacific Coliseum City/State/Country; Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Date; 1975/03/19 Soundboard Recording Setlist; Disc 1; 1.Rock And Roll 2.Sick Again 3.Over The Hills And Far Away 4.In My Time Of Dying 5.The Song Remains The Same 6.The Rain Song 7.Kashmir Disc 2; 1.No Quarter 2.Trampled Underfoot 3.Moby Dick Disc 3; 1.Dazed & Confused (includes Woodstock) 2.Stairway To Heaven 3.Whole Lotta Love/The Crunge 4.Black Dog Artwork, EAC log, MD5 Checksums and Fingerprints included

Oh yea baby!

Can we make sure we PM the next person on the list AND get a response from them before sending the vine along? If no response then try the next person on the list. This issue has become ridiculous. There are brand new vines out there that are already dead only 2 people into the list. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

I am a little busier now than I was last year, but I can still manage to keep things moving in a reasonable amount of time. I am in the pipeline for about 20 vines, some of which I would have thought I would have by now. It is summer, and I know folks are busy. In general, folks should be cut some slack when emergencies and unexpected contingencies pop up. I would want folks to cut me some slack if I just disappeared. Really, it's the chronic and habitual offenders that ruin the vines. We might need to appoint a hall monitor or have a volunteer. I don't have the time to make that commitment but will help any way when I can.

But it still wont solve our problem that vines are stalling out with a couple of folks out there. The only thing that will solve that problem is sending a PM to that person and getting a response before mailing the vine to them. I understand emergencies come up and things will back up and we are safe with most folks here but like I said there are a few people (i.e. markinthedark and j.straw) who have disappeared and it doesn't make sense to keep sending them vines. They can always jump back on the list if they want to come back you know? In my opinion, that is the biggest problem right now - vines being sent to people who for whatever reason are not participating any more. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

I know that right now vines are not having the quickest turn around from me. We have been dealing with some intense family illness and I have had to put the vines on the backburner. But they are and will still be getting out, not as quick as I would hope for, also haven't been able to post on them like I should and have in the past. I am not signing up for any new vines at this time and probably won't till late summer or early fall. Going to take a break. Thanks for your understanding and for vining and keeping all the music coming our way. If you have any questions just pmail me, I do keep up on that. Peace If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

I agree with all you say. I typically give folks a week and 1/2 to 2 weeks (10 to 14 days) to respond to a PM. That way, folks on vacation won't get skipped unless they are on a 2 week vacation. Otherwise, I skip to next in line.

Perfect example - emergencies come up but a little communication goes a long way...Slow TAT is not a problem, falling into a black hole is. A more important note - I hope everything is ok Hal, we will be thinking of you! "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

I disagree there, that is too long. I think vines should generally be turned around in a day or two, maybe 3 or 4 days if the vine is HUGE or you get a bunch of vines at once. Emergencies happen, and we can all wait when that happens. But otherwise, keep things moving, the vines take long enough as it is. If you don't respond to a PM within a couple of days, you should be bumped to the back of the line. That being said, I wouldn't wait to hear back from Rick, Tim, Brewster, DaveC or any of the other veterans before sending them a vine.

Markinthedark was a veteran too. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

The very best thoughts for you and your family.If there is ever anything I can do to help, please, reach out and ask. Peace Rick

Inspired by recent discussion on this thread, I did some housekeeping on several "sleeping" vines in the last hour or so. Selfishly, however, I only investigated vines in which I am involved. Therefore, there are still some sleepers out there laying undisturbed. (Help us MITD...you're our only hope.) Hopefully this will pay off and some of these buggers will begin moving again. It seems that a little prodding has worked well in the past, so hope springs eternal. Cheers to all, and take it easy. Peace. Also, to Hal, please know that your vining brethren is sending positivity to you and your family. Stay well.

Please let me preface by saying two things. 1. I appreciate everyone involved with the Vineyard. 2. I am a very guilty party in all aforementioned posts e.g. communication, long turnarounds etc. I believe when someone signs up for vine they accept a responsibility to uphold that vine in all aspects. These include T.L.C. of the discs, proper posting when you sign up, receive and mail the vine, and communication to all others involved for any reason that would hold up a vine (family emergency, technical issues etc.). I have had two periods of time in my year of partaking in the vines where I really let them stack up and it was not pretty. Last fall I had 15 vines in my possession at once and my daughter was born. I had some of these for 4 weeks before I cycled them through. No excuse for one reason; I did not post! No one knew where they were because I went A.W.O.L. for 3 weeks. Communication is the key here folks. If you have a situation where you cannot burn and turn just communicate that directly to the vine and all will be fine. Posting takes seconds. I would venture to say most all of us have or can find access to the web. I would also venture to say most of us would be thrilled to know the vine is still alive and just stuck for a little while. It would take the guess work out. The reality is we can all do the best we can do. Some people will never post or communicate in any way. Vines will get lost. People will go missing. It will just happen that way. I believe the answer is pretty simple: 1. Sign up: PM the guy behind you with an address. 2. Receive: Post that you got it. 3. If your taking a long time (more then a week) post that it's taking longer. 4. Before you send the vine to the next in line PM and make SURE they are still in the game. Do so even if you know their address. My rule is 3 days after the original PM and it goes on to the next in line. This site is a gift and should be treated as such. When you sign up please understand you have taken responsibility for the upkeep and transportation of this music. I can offer this advise, but I can only be responsible for myself. MarkintheDark is missed, because he made this easy for all of us. He really should have been paid something for the time he spent getting our shit together. I miss having Mark around because he was a funny, cool guy who made this experience a little more fun. I will make a promise to all of you that I will do a better job of communicating and turning around from here on out. "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."

As far as I knew, MITD just disappeared. I did not know that he absconded with some vines as well, as implied in JackStraw's post above. If so, that is too bad as he seemed like a guy and participated here for a long period. The fact is that here, in the final frontier, the last bastion of unfettered freedom, vines occasionally disappear. There really isn't anything we can do about that. If someone is intent on stealing vines, PMing him (let's face it, like serial killers, the vast majority of viners and vine absconders are men) before you send the vine or emailing him after he kills the vine (both of which are good ideas), won't eliminate the problem. It might reduce the problem, and we should try to do that, but vine kills will still occur. If you take a look at ALL the vines, most have seen a very long life. Many have circulated for more than a year. All in all, we do a pretty good job and I for one love this place and everyone who contributes here.

this is a wonderful place where most vines grow and grow. I recently re-seeded a vine and have no problem doing so whenever necessary. Perhaps we should create a new topic where we can request re-seeds. Personally, I do not usually visit topics after I have received and sent the vine along, but I would check a central topic to see if I can re-seed a vine that has subsequently stalled. Jeff, I think we all agree that communication is key. People only get frustrated when they don't know what is going on. As long as somebody posts, the vineyard is very patient. What do you guys think about a "Re-seed Request Topic"? "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

An inane and immense post is about to occur. You may want to overt your eyes lest you suffer the same fate as Lot's wife. You have been warned.

At the risk of opening a big can of worms, I hereby put forward some thoughts about an unwritten rule here in the Vineyard (Hereby? What kind of pretentious SOB speaks like that?). It appears to me that once a show is vined, it is considered to be a solecism (oh c'mon, just say "impropriety") for another person to post a new vine containing that show. At first glance, that seems to be a good rule as the last thing one wants to do is offend our Vineyard's most precious commodity, the seeders who plant vines. But when one delves deeper, it becomes apparent, at least to me, that this rule hinders the proliferation of music. How so? First, as discussed ad nauseum (Oh, big shot lawyer, big SHIT if you ask me!) here in this forum in the last couple of days, vines die. Especially for vines that have been extant (OMG, this is getting ridiculous, just say "dead" you pretentious MFer) for an extended period, it makes at least as much sense to just commence a new vine as it does to reseed an existing one. For those of us who are diurnal (Is this idiot trying to get under my skin? DAILY you bastard!) visitors here, we are aware when a vine dies, and I for one wouldn't mind a new vine being planted. As for those who are not here as frequently, well, they are often the ones who abscond with vines in the first place. More importantly, the unwritten rule limits seeders and makes it more difficult for viners in that it requires a viner to sign up for multiple vines to acquire a run of shows, rather than one medium sized vine. For example, we have a vine for 12/27/77, but not vines for 12/30 or 12/31. As an aside, remember that 12/29 is a Dick's Pick. If a seeder wanted to vine the entire December 77 Winterland run, he couldn't. And a viner would have to sign up for both the 12/27/77 vine as well as the new 12/30-31 vine, if he wanted the entire run. A vine containing the entire run would be more efficient, and save postage, fuel, feed starving children, etc. Second, this needs to be said: WAV vines just don't cut the mustard for many of us any longer. I am as guilty as the next seeder for starting many WAV vines, and I sincerely offer contrition (Just apologize you wanker!) for that. I'm half kidding. I listen to WAV files. I don't have the capability of playing FLAC files. Heck, I still use a stereo and bring ACTUAL PHYSICAL CDs to work, back when I was working, to play on the computer. That's right, I admit it, I don't even have an I-POD! [pause for gasps]. But I have come to the radical but inevitable conclusion that I prefer to have the best sounding WAV file available, and that is only possible by having the FLAC file. What I am talking about here is, [hold your breath I am about to coin a new term], Sound Quality Equality. With FLAC, there are no longer elites who have optimal quality shows, while we lesser Heads must subsist on inferior copies. We have the same copy as Charlie Miller himself! WAV files are copes of copies, and contain generational loss, at least at some point. I like to think that every copy goes down 1 percentage point, and that even those of us who are not audiophiles can decipher the generational loss once it gets somewhere between 95% and 90% quality. To illustrate, my Cream Filling '73 vine, containing WAV files of 11/14, 11/17 and 11/20/73. If you received this fine vine, your copy is a copy of my copy, which is itself a copy of a copy of unknown generations. If you are thinking about Abbot and Costello at this point you are not alone. If you do not know who Abbot and Costello are you are very young. If you are very young, and are a single, attractive female, please PM That Nice Hippy Guy at ...ok, enough. Although your copy should be pretty good, and I believe it is, a direct copy of a FLAC file would be even better and it would allow you to trade the show to another person with the utmost confidence that you are providing him with the best possible sound quality. If someone wants to circulate a vine of FLAC versions of those shows, I not only acquiesce, I ardently hail it. Sound Quality Equality! At this point in what has clearly devolved into a prolix (MORE PRETENSION!!!) essay, it is time to reveal that I meant to preface all of this by saying that I do not want to step on any toes, that I sincerely appreciate all that the generous seeders do, especially those who have planted copiously (ARGH!!!!). The problem is that to preface something one often starts by saying something like "Let me preface this by saying..." , which sounds like one has to get permission in order to preface something. I'll be damned if I have to get permission to preface my own essay!! (Calm the hell down, you TWIT). Hmmm, I thought I had a third, but I guess I don’t. Anyways, I am not trying to reinvent the wheel. I am not suggesting killing off any vines. The gist of what I am suggesting is that a seeder be allowed, without suffering rebuke, repercussion, or other indignity, to plant a new vine containing a previously vined show if: (1) the previous vine is dead (Thank you for using a simple word), or;(2) the previously vined show was circulated ONLY in WAV format, or; (3) the previously vined show was NOT part of a substantial sequential run of shows (oh boy, now this arsehole has to define “substantial sequential run”). No, I will not define it, instead I will give examples of what I consider to be substantial sequential runs. Bob’s April ‘71 vine clearly should not be revined, unless of course the vine is dead OR new better versions of those shows have surfaced. The latter seems like a reasonable exception that everyone can agree on. Rick’s NYE ‘83 vine would also qualify and should not be revined. As for those that are not substantial sequential runs, I would point to my own seedling, Stache Rides ‘77. It could be revined because only 3 out of the 5 shows in the run were circulated in FLAC format. A potential viner should not have to sign up for both my vine and a new vine containing the other 2 shows in FLAC format to get the entire run, and a potential seeder should not be hindered by my negligence in seeding in FLAC format only 3 of the 5 shows. Another example would be CB’s The Matrix Part 2, a fine vine by the way, which contains both FLAC and WAV files for 12/28/70, 7/17/76, 7/29/74, 10/2/80 and 7/18/89. A seeder should be able to vine the entire Orpheum 76 run, and not have to omit 7/17. Simply said, this provides more options for everybody. Don’t I have anything better to do? No. I am currently unemployed, and when not engaged in self-gratification, listening to music, walking the dog, feeding peanuts to squirrels or bettering myself in some intellectual way (HA, ordered by priority you boob!), I have some time on my hands and have thought about this. If you are thinking “TMI” at this point, and you are a guy, you need to be immediately taken out back and pummeled, because no guy should EVER use the phrase “TMI.“ Back to the question, I anticipate imminently acquiring most if not all of the shows in FLAC format between 3/21/ and 9/21/73, and I would like to be able to vine those shows here. Personally, I am not crazy about HUGE vines, and will create multiple parts to the vine, each containing a full DVD or two of shows. Of course, this is assuming that participants don’t object to this post, or at least to the paragraph containing “the gist,” as this post is clearly objectionable on multiple counts (Christ, the lawyer thing AGAIN). Well, my friends, this rant has come to an end. I hope that you LOL as much reading it as I have writing it. Or in the words of our distaff (YOU FRAKKIN STOP THAT RIGHT NOW) member Leanne, PC PC. Ok, I have had enough of you, you scoundrel, why don’t you be a man, come out from behind your parenthetical prophylactic and confront me?!?!?! ARRGGGGHH Sincerely, Bob Weir

would you like me to vine some Steve Kimock or not......geez!!!! Oh by the way, they are SHN files. HAHA!

Best damn post I have read in quite some time!Thanks Peace Rick

These last few days of thought and banter here in the Vineyard is why I keep coming back day after day after day... We are a community of strangers trying to figure out a way to govern ourselves. This is true democracy in action as envisioned by President Thomas Jefferson. Peace Rick

(Oh no you didn't, marye!!!? You, as well as that Bob Weir/Dstache character, will feel my wrath!!!)

I don't know where to begin with this Derek......I fried my hard drive and lost a lot of my collection which was mostly MP3.....I guess that maybe a good thing....Do you kind of feel like Jerry Maguire when he wrote his mission statement? "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."

Hey All--What can you say about Steve Kimock, but what a bad ass!!! So without further adieu or ahem...prolix, I bring to you the Steve Kimock Band. Four night run at Chester's Place in my hometown of Fayetteville, Arkansas. Should be one DVD, maybe two with bonus shows. 3/30/00 - Steve Kimock Band Chester's Place - Fayetteville, AR Recording Info: (Stage) AKG C61/CK1 -> Dat (Tascam DAP1/48k) Transfer Info: Dat (Sony D8) -> VX Pocket V2 -> Sony Vaio C1VP (DAARWIN-24) -> Sound Forge -> Samplitude -> SHN (2 Discs SHN / 3 Discs Audio) Recorded By Pat Cooper lowkeypc@yahoo.com Transfered and Mastered By Charlie Miller and Arielle Phares charliemiller87@earthlink.net arielle@kimocksphere.com Notes: Sound Forge v6.0 was used for recording. Samplitude v5.9 was used for resampling. Samplitude v6.0 was used to normalize and split tracks. (Don't ask, you had to be there) Thanks to PC for lending us his master dats!!! Set 1: d1t01 - High And Lonesome d1t02 - Why Can't We All Just Samba? d1t03 - Baby Baby d1t04 - Bad Hair d2t01 - A New Africa d2t02 - Band Intros Set 2: d2t03 - You're The One d2t04 - Footprints d2t05 - Five B4 Funk d3t01 - Rocco d3t02 - My Favorite Things d3t03 - Hillbillies On PCP (With Chip on 4-string) d3t04 - Band Intros Lineup: Steve Kimock - Guitars Bobby Vega - Bass Chip Roland - Keys Prarie Prince - Drums 3/31/00 - Steve Kimock Band Chester's Place - Fayetteville, AR Recording Info: (Stage) AKG C61/CK1 -> Dat (Tascam DAP1/48k) Transfer Info: Dat (Sony D8) -> VX Pocket V2 -> Sony Vaio C1VP (DAARWIN-24) -> Sound Forge -> Samplitude -> SHN (2 Discs SHN / 4 Discs Audio) Recorded By Pat Cooper lowkeypc@yahoo.com Transfered and Mastered By Charlie Miller and Arielle Phares charliemiller87@earthlink.net arielle@kimocksphere.com Notes: Sound Forge v6.0 was used for recording. Samplitude v5.9 was used for resampling. Samplitude v6.0 was used to normalize and split tracks. (Don't ask, you had to be there) Thanks to PC for lending us his master dats!!! Happy Hour Set: d1t01 - Cissy Strut -> d1t02 - Poonk d1t03 - Kissin' the Boo Boo d1t04 - Steel Guitar Rag d1t05 - Cowboy d1t06 - Rainbow's Cadillac d1t07 - Band Intros Set 1: d2t01 - Severe Tire Damage -> d2t02 - Mr. Broadway -> d2t03 - Severe Tire Damage d2t04 - Whack d2t05 - Soul Roach d2t06 - Rainbow's Cadillac d3t01 - Berm Set 2: d3t02 - Tongue 'n' Groove d3t03 - Jump Back d4t01 - Manic Depression -> d4t02 - Rollin' & Tumblin' d4t03 - Mr. Potato Head d4t04 - Golden Road d4t05 - Band Intros Lineup: Steve Kimock - Guitars Bobby Vega - Bass Chip Roland - Keys Prarie Prince - Drums 4/1/00 - Steve Kimock Band Chester's Place - Fayetteville, AR Recording Info: (Stage) AKG C61/CK1 -> Dat (Tascam DAP1/48k) Transfer Info: Dat (Sony D8) -> VX Pocket V2 -> Sony Vaio C1VP (DAARWIN-24) -> Sound Forge -> Samplitude -> SHN (2 Discs SHN / 3 Discs Audio) Recorded By Pat Cooper lowkeypc@yahoo.com Transfered and Mastered By Charlie Miller and Arielle Phares charliemiller87@earthlink.net arielle@kimocksphere.com Notes: Sound Forge v6.0 was used for recording. Samplitude v5.9 was used for resampling. Samplitude v6.0 was used to normalize and split tracks. (Don't ask, you had to be there) Thanks to PC for lending us his master dats!!! Set 1 d1t01 - Steve's Rap d1t02 - Alice In Wonderland d1t03 - Soul Serenade d1t04 - Cowboy d1t05 - Avalon d1t06 - Forever Is Nowhere d1t07 - Sea Blues d2t01 - Kissin' The Boo Boo d2t02 - Band Intros Set 2: d2t03 - Cole's Law -> d2t04 - Tangled Hangers d2t05 - It's Up To You d3t01 - Why Can't We All Just Samba? d3t02 - Better Git It In Your Soul d3t03 - Band Intros Encore: d3t04 - Sleepwalk Lineup: Steve Kimock - Guitars Bobby Vega - Bass Chip Roland - Keys Prarie Prince - Drums 4/2/00 - Steve Kimock Band Chester's Place - Fayetteville, AR Recording Info: (Stage) AKG C61/CK1 -> Dat (Tascam DAP1/48k) Transfer Info: Dat (Sony D8) -> VX Pocket V2 -> Sony Vaio C1VP (DAARWIN-24) -> Sound Forge -> Samplitude -> SHN (2 Discs SHN / 3 Discs Audio) Recorded By Pat Cooper lowkeypc@yahoo.com Transfered and Mastered By Charlie Miller and Arielle Phares charliemiller87@earthlink.net arielle@kimocksphere.com Notes: Sound Forge v6.0 was used for recording. Samplitude v5.9 was used for resampling. Samplitude v6.0 was used to normalize and split tracks. (Don't ask, you had to be there) d1t01 was patched from the following shn: (Stage) AKG C61/CK1 > Dat > Zoltrix Nightingale > SoundForge 4.5 > SHN Thanks to PC for lending us his master dats!!! Set 1: d1t01 - Point Of No Return d1t02 - You're The One d1t03 - (Untitled) d1t04 - Baby Baby* d2t01 - Many Rivers To Cross* d2t02 - Five B4 Funk* Set 2: d2t03 - Footprints d2t04 - A New Africa d3t01 - Rocco d3t02 - Stella Blue d3t03 - Hillbillies On PCP* d3t04 - My Favorite Things* d3t05 - Band Intros Encore: d3t06 - Poonk -> d3t07 - Cissy Strut -> d3t08 - Poonk Notes: *With Earl Cate - Guitar Lineup: Steve Kimock - Guitars Bobby Vega - Bass Chip Roland - Keys Prarie Prince - Drums I hope everyone enjoys this vine!!!

Bring on the FLAC!! Hey I hope you all don't think I'm upset, I'm really not this is supposed to be for fun. All I'm trying to do is follow the instructions for vining listed right at the beginning of this thread as best I can. Oh and I think it is silly to keep sending vines to people who have not been sending them back out, thats all. They can always jump back on the list when they return to the vineyard. Like dstache I too have nothing better to do ... sad?? maybe a little but hey I'm either at work or I'm at home where we live in the middle of nowhere. I play with my little girl and when she's off entertaining her self or hopping into bed for the night I can jump on the computer. Thats about it for me folks. Well of course we get out and see some shows but its pretty quiet around these parts. So now that I have babbled I can get to the point that I have some time to check up on the vines like our old buddy MitD used to do for us, send out re-seeds, or whatever to keep the media moving. I love this little hobby, its my escape from the reality of working for the man. I don't mind pitching in to make this place run smoothly. Happy vining! Mark "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

Does anyone have Amherst, MA 5/12/79? "You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

I don't have anything from that month. I believe that SBDs from the early days of Brent's tenure do not circulate, and may in fact not even be in the vault. The Taping Compendium, which is outdated by at least 10 yrs, grades the sound quality of 5/12/79 as a C+ AUD, which, in my book, means it is unlistenable. A better copy may have surfaced in the last 10 years. BTW, John Dwork, an editor of the Compendium, says it was a "high energy" "passable show that...did not falter," for what it is worth. Many of the shows from that month are given good if not stellar reviews. In the Compendium, the sound quality of 5/7 Easton is rated as an A- AUD, 5/11 Billerica as an A AUD, and 5/13 Portland, ME as an A AUD, so those shows existed in good sound quality even 10 yrs ago.. Shows from the earlier in the month are recommended but of lesser sound quality. IMO, even if SBDs don't exist, if A/A- AUDs do, I'd love to get my hands on them.

I did not become a pillar of salt reading the aforementioned immense post! PC PC :) The sound quality these days would even make dear Betty proud! With that being said, I have a good many shows that leave alot to be desired concerning sound quality, but over the years I guess I've felt/heard them so much that I don't even notice.UNTIL I get the premo stuff, whoo hoo!!! My family on the other hand are tough critics ~ they were NOT feeling the reel to reel Acid Test Vine in the least!! That is MAD PROPS (ha ha got that one from the kids) to everyone for their hard work & TLC in the Vineyard~ my my what a cool bunch of folks, if I do say so myself :) PEACE

I agree

I propose that we immediately impose a limitation on the length of any post. Only kidding. Seriously, I interpret your post as casting a vote against a Re-Seed Request Vine. I still think it is a good idea, but no one else has commented on it. There are a lot of juicy vines out there that have stalled and some of our newer members are being deprived. I also see no reason to have a hard and fast rule against re-vining shows. In fact, it has already happened a few times and did not cause an uproar. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

I don't think there was ever a draconian rule against duplication in the vineyard. It makes sense to prioritise new shows, but that does not have to be the only way. I see no reason why mega vines may not cover shows previously vined singly. It can work the other way too; as you know I launch mainly themed vines with bits from all over the place; sometimes I would like to include a particular show that is already part of a megavine (I have avoided that to date). Maybe we should agree to try to avoid pointless duplication! Yargh. I suppose this means that I am going to have to get out my hard hat and update the Vindex soon; I was kinda hoping I might persuade MITD to take it over. Maybe he guessed and that's why he is hiding. Please come back Mark and I promise to leave you be ;-)

I think sometimes vines get re-seeded a little prematurely but there are some vines out there that are dead (no pun intended) and need to be revived. I can certainly help with this effort. I have already commited to re-seeding Hampton 89 this weekend. Hell I got to re-seed my garden because the cats got in there and ripped it all up, so I may as well re-seed some vines too! Please let me know how else I can help (see my earlier post). However, do we really need a specific thread for re-seeds?? It seems like it would get bogged down if there are a lot of re-seeds on there?? I would also love to see more FLAC vines. This format is the way to go. Less media moving around, less shiping cost, and in my opinion a faster turn around time is possible with FLAC. It takes too long to burn audio CD's plus I don't know how you all do it but I end up sending audio files to iTunes which I don't overly like to do. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

I perfer audio Wav or MP3 files. I don't have time for flac files, and it takes 1 hour to unflac/unpak 1 show on my computer. I don't have an ipod, itunes or iphone or any other "i" device. So, before the pro-Flac vigilantes take over, let me say, keep the audio CDs a coming--especially for 3 or less shows in a vine.