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    "And with this incredibly tight batch of prime 1987 Grateful Dead, we’re thrilled to bring you Dave’s Picks Vol. 36, matching the number that will be forever tied to Dick’s legacy. Thanks for sticking around this long, and for joining us through these past nine years of archival live Grateful Dead releases." - David Lemieux

    We're doing things a bit different for this one - two complete shows on four CDs, bringing you one of Dave's faves and what very well could have been one of Dick's Picks. Yep, back-to-back nights from peak era 80s - the furthest we've gone into the decade, in fact - that will bring you to joyful tears. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 36: HARTFORD CIVIC CENTER, HARTFORD, CT (3/26/87 & 3/27/87) delivers emotional takes on tracks like "Row Jimmy," "Black Peter," Uncle John's Band," and serves up a hit list of covers ("In The Midnight Hour," "Good Lovin'," "Desolation Row," "Promised Land," "Little Red Rooster," "Morning Dew," Johnny B. Goode") that'll have you hootin' and hollerin'.

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, this one has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #951
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    Spring 1987 - Jerry rising like a phoenix from the ashes...

    Caveat of bias: I attended both shows and several others on this tour. The Spring '87 tour was very high energy, and reflected Jerry 'rising like the Phoenix from the ashes of his opioid-induced haze culminating in his diabetic coma. The shows were all short, but many were very well-played.

    The first night of Hartford was one of the best played nights of the tour, others including the first night of Philly, the first and third nights of Worcester. Every song in both sets is played pretty much flawless, albeit too short. This was typical of that tour. Short but sweet songs and sets. Highlights (for me) were the Midnight Hour opener, a really powerfully sung He's Gone (Jerry's vocals throughout the first night are really strong), and a gorgeous Black Peter.

    The second night was the night for "Touch-heads." It was a party atmosphere, and the setlist was standard. Hard to complain about a second set Cumberland though. The post-Space Uncle John's>Dew with a JBG encore was a great way to end the second set. Overall, the second night was less "on" IMO, but was really fun. The Touch of Grey, however standard, was inspiring because we all knew Jerry was BACK.

    The circulating boards have always sounded like a matrix to me, and the brief sample I listened to seems to indicate the same matrix source material. Am hoping the discs sound better...

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    My GD Taper Friend

    I have a friend who has EVERYTHING. Once a year he asks me for $100 for blanks and postage (B&P), and then he goes through his thousands of tapes and picks out four shows that really float his boat. He's busy, so he can only send me a copy of a show every three months or so. He does his best not to burn me out on any one period, so he avoids sending me, say, three June 1976 shows in one year. If he does get really excited about those three 1976 shows, then he gives me the option of sending more B&P money.

    When he does send the shows, he has his friends do some sweet art on the inserts, and goes through his tapers circle to find the lowest-gen copy out there. He routinely upgrades the equipment used for making the copies. For the sets that are all from, say, July 1978, he puts them in crazy-cool containers and loads the containers with old ticket stubs and tour programs.

    What do I do when I get the shows? I complain.
    I complain that the show isn't from my favorite year, even though he's sent me 26 of the 40 shows from 1974, and 32 of the 60 shows from 1977. 1972? Only 34 of 82.
    I complain that the sound could be better.
    I complain about the art.
    I complain that he's too corporate.
    I complain that he's charging too much.
    I complain that it took many days for the shows to reach me.
    I complain that he gave me only two months to send my B&P money.

    Despite all that complaining, he sends me a song a day for all of November--free! He gets excited about nuggets he's heard whilst perusing his shows, and just sends me a treat every day for 30 days. My B&P money ensures that he can maintain his tapes and keep sending me songs and shows and sets, but I sometimes feel like I should begrudge him that $100 (although, come to think of it, I spent $100 on a mediocre restaurant meal just the other day . . . ) or that I should stop sending him that money, but just hope that his interest in the project continues. Maybe I should require him to tell me in advance which shows he's sending before I'll give him a nickel?

    He's enriched my musical life beyond anything I could have dreamed of, but I often get this nagging feeling that he's really out to screw me.

    DaP36? Believe it if you need it . . . if you don't, just pass it on . . .

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    SOLD OUT

    & that's that!!!!

  • #954
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    Re: Noah Webster

    First.. great Noah Webster reference Jimbobwe, I bet you are right. I thought of Hartford Court Publishing (didn't they make school books?), but I did not research this and have no idea if there is a correlation, I bet you are right. I assumed they were claims manuals and volumes of insurance policy and procedure manuals. (kidding, but the streets in Hartford are paved with insurance money).

    I'm not terribly surprised this sold out. A little quicker than I might have thought, but I suspect subscription sales were high this year. It seems like each subsequent release though the course of the year sells out more quickly.

    It will be interesting to see what this does to subscription sales come November and December. ..not that I care, I'm sure to pony up for another year come November.

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    Sold out?

    Crikey...maybe I'd better subscribe again after all !
    Mcgrupp- liking The Dead from 1968-1974 only doesn't necessarily mean you like them less rather than more. Their music in that timespan transcended measurable limits. A bit like how the Tardis, in Dr Who, looks small from the outside and is vast inside.

  • #956
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    Sold out quickly

    Considering no one likes the 80’s this set sold out really fast.
    Everyone has a choice. If you only like a subset of the band then don’t subscribe and pick up the shows you want separately. You then take the chance that you won’t get them and you will pay over the odds on eBay, Even if you do get them at dead.net then you’ll pay the going rate at the time. Subscribing at the early bird rate is the cheapest way of getting the DaP series but you will get shows from eras that don’t excite you.
    I subscribe because I want them all even if some are better than others. They all have some interest to me. Of course, I never saw any shows so what do I know.

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    Cover Art - Books Reference

    I see people asking about the Cover Art and "books" reference. Noah Webster the "Father of American Scholarship and Education" was from Hartford, CT. Apparently his "Blue-Backed Speller" books taught five generations of American children how to spell and read. I would imagine he is the inspiration for the cover, however Mark Twain also lived in Hartford for a period of his life.

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    Meanwhile, it's Bobby's bday!

    Throw on 10/16/89. Another superb October, btw.

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    Right on, MARINSMITH.

    If you pretty much only like the dead from years 68-74, then you actually dislike them more than you like them. And that's OK!

    I took a deep dive these past couple of weeks into Oct. '84 and was rather surprised by how much I liked it, especially the dark Playin' jams. I did the same with Oct. '94 last year. Really dug those shows. I honestly feel like 10/1/94 ranks among one of the best shows from all of the 30 trips.

    At any rate, I subscribe because I want them all. Still waiting for the Vince era shows, by the way. Perhaps next year? In the meantime, I'll gladly take the '73, '74, or '77 that seems due to kick things off in 2021. 

    1- 77
    5- 73
    9- 74
    13- 74
    17- 74
    21- 73
    25- 77
    29- 77
    33- 77
    37-  ??

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    "Count me in as skeptical. This release seems like Dave’s gift to himself. I saw six shows of this tour, including the first night of Hartford. None of them were overly memorable. More like a few highlights here and there. Have not listened to any of that tour since seeing the shows. If I recall, 3/26 had a cool Midnight Hour/Cold Rain opener, a nice Birdsong and a high energy China/Rider.

    Dave has done a superb job, but the supply of quality shows is certainly dwindling. I will give the subscription one more year and then likely revert to a la carte."

    This is my post from a couple of weeks back. Essentially saying the same thing as Doc, just maybe not as eloquently.
    I'm a math guy, not an English major. I wasn't attacked. Even if I was, I could care less.

    Not bashing the band or anyone's favorite era. Just stating an opinion and my preference. I only saw the band in the 80s and 90s. Brent was without question the driving force for many of those years. As was said, seeing them live, his keyboards never seemed to overwhelm the band. Now that I hear the recordings years later, I can't tolerate that plinky, overbearing sound. Simple as that. And I certainly don't want to pay for it. To me, the MIDI and all the other gadgetry makes it even worse.

    Folks on here comment about Donna's shrieking, yet they rarely if ever get criticized. I was never able to see the band during that era, but I doubt it came across that way live. Regardless, it was how the band sounded at the time as they evolved. I'll stick to that era and earlier.

    One other thing that was correctly pointed out. Dave played these shows on Sirius earlier today. If the crowd noise is as prominent on my stereo as it was on the radio, no chance these shows ever get a second listen.

    For all you later era fans, do yourself a favor and write down a list of your favorite songs. Then right along side of each one, jot down the year it was first performed. Things get pretty sparse after 77.

    Just remember, as I was told many years ago:

    Don't listen to the band through rose colored speakers.

    AND

    The scene was always better before you got there.

    Enjoy.

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"And with this incredibly tight batch of prime 1987 Grateful Dead, we’re thrilled to bring you Dave’s Picks Vol. 36, matching the number that will be forever tied to Dick’s legacy. Thanks for sticking around this long, and for joining us through these past nine years of archival live Grateful Dead releases." - David Lemieux

We're doing things a bit different for this one - two complete shows on four CDs, bringing you one of Dave's faves and what very well could have been one of Dick's Picks. Yep, back-to-back nights from peak era 80s - the furthest we've gone into the decade, in fact - that will bring you to joyful tears. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 36: HARTFORD CIVIC CENTER, HARTFORD, CT (3/26/87 & 3/27/87) delivers emotional takes on tracks like "Row Jimmy," "Black Peter," Uncle John's Band," and serves up a hit list of covers ("In The Midnight Hour," "Good Lovin'," "Desolation Row," "Promised Land," "Little Red Rooster," "Morning Dew," Johnny B. Goode") that'll have you hootin' and hollerin'.

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, this one has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by nappyrags on Sun, 12/06/2020 - 08:42

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I was about 50 feet from that...but like most I didn't know about it until the next day...

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Sun, 12/06/2020 - 09:28

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Elvis did not appropriate black music, he actually did just what you described as what the Dead did, I'll quote you:
"because they fuse together both styles of Americana music, black heritage and white heritage to make something truly unique." Both the Dead and Elvis borrowed elements of Americana to create their unique blend of music; talking about pre-1956 Elvis, all his Sun sides are unique.
You could argue that the appropriation label would apply more to early 60s Brit bands, who would basically copy vocal phrasings of black singers and note for note solos(Pigpen did the same). Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion, as long as the original artists got more recognition and royalties.
Then there's the Yardbirds appropriating Tiny Bradshaws's Train Kept A Rollin' without crediting him; that's more like theft though.
Anyway, both Jazz and Blues were influenced by western music and western instrumentation since the 1800s. That's a huge subject!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 12/06/2020 - 09:43

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Perhaps, but don't be so quick to judge until you've tasted his turkey mole enchiladas. Maybe worthy of pardon power.

(pulled off some Turkey Enchiladas Verdes a few days ago, they were a big hit as noted by their immediate consumption, the JimInMD house thanks you for the inspiration)

That's how I understand things regarding Elvis.

I agree that the blues covers by Brit bands weren't too hot in the first half of the 60s. One of the great benefits was that they introduced the likes of me to the real McCoy. The Stones -Keith Richards in particular - regularly pointed out where they got their inspiration from in interviews. And there is that famous clip from about 1965 when they introduce Howlin' Wolf on the T.V. programme Shindig!

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Sun, 12/06/2020 - 19:31

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Johnny Burnette credited Tiny Bradshaw as writer, so no theft there; the Yardbirds credited themselves when they changed the lyrics and renamed the song Stroll On.
To make this Jerry relevant: both Johnny Burnette and his brother Dorsey were successful songwriters later on, with Dorsey writing the Magnificent Sanctuary Band, covered nicely by JGB.

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Submitted by Dennis on Mon, 12/07/2020 - 07:21

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...was pointed out to me this morning.

Did you see Bob Dylan sold his catalog for 300 million!?!

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Submitted by direwulf on Mon, 12/07/2020 - 12:29

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LEDDED seems to be the most understanding about much of this. Talking is just that...conversation, but there's some borderline "white fragility" on this board, that is if you think that sociology theory is correct. :) Unless I'm misreading the tone wrong, some of y'all get way to sensitive over conversation. That's why I was saying the GD is a "melting pot" they didn't start it, they melded it all together into their own. Thinking is good and that's all I was mentioning stuff for. That's all well and good but if you ask different people about Elvis they would disagree. To each their own and I guess that's the big debate these days...some people think its a big deal and others not so much. Some people flip out when they see a greasy white upper middle class trustafarian with dreadlocks because its not his culture to claim. Others say chill out and let it ride. Depending on if you are white or black, your personal experiences, income, and social standing the opinions and beliefs you hold on are divided and held dearly. The black friends and people I've talked to in the past don't think too fondly of Elvis, some people say otherwise as he inspired some dance moves. Some feel that once again a white dude is getting major props and social credit for doing something done by others first...see exhibit A (plate stand not included)...https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/c1/7a/f7c17aa0fa52d82c1275383c193b79e…

Black musicians simply were not respected due to their social/cultural status and perceived economic viability for sales, therefore no one cared and no one gave them a chance. It is what it is, but don't deny it, life viewed from another's perspective its just as valid. The reality of the situation is what I'm curious about.

Not trying to piss any one off but there's a reason when you ask people about who their rock n roll gods are, the only black guy usually mentioned on that list is Hendrix. There's definitely something there to be discussed and it's reflective of our society as a whole. GD family and band members have always been more inclusive than their fans are, I've experienced that first hand over 30 years of shows. Though it did tick me off when Jerry went off on rap music during some interview in the 80s or something. That was some close mindedness I did not think I would see from him (maybe the persian made him grumpy that day), not to mention the subversiveness of the rap scene you thought he might get behind.

Nowadays there's rap acts that sample GD music and rhyme over it...so there's that. The best way I can help make the change I want in this country for my kids and their future is to ask people to think more about the hidden histories of our country and not the ones thrown up by companies looking to cash in. I know there is cross pollination and an ouroboros of destruction and recreation as humanity consumes itself and is reborn as society and cultural change. Some people think individuals are a nucleus of human ingenuity while generational geniuses often express that they "know nothing compared to what is possible to know" & "they can only see farther because they stand on the shoulders of giants." One thing I've come to appreciate in my searching for the sources of things, its all one big clusterfuck. It still doesn't stop me from thinking about it nor from trying to find the true source of inspiration. It's too heavy for most people because the tighter and more reassuring package to hold is the belief that Elvis invented rock n roll or is responsible for its popularity. People like simple answers so they find simple answers. It's way more exhausting to continually reinvent one's own ideas or interpretations but it pays off in the long run of life.

Jay Lane (yup from Ratdog) and a bunch of friends put this together...ya'll probably heard about it cause it was all over lots many summers ago at this point. They did a whole album...I think, but its not the easiest thing to come across. Not the most bang up thing ever recorded but it sure was neat to the younger fans...I remember, maybe.

Back to The River (Franklin's Tower sample)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK6x7R4KnHY

Box of Sunshine (Row Jimmy sample)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNdTCTDlCYk

Mine had the skin on.. the trick for Mole Verde is 30 min before cooking you toss them in a punch bowl of green kool aid and voila, verde fur. A nice parlor trick.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 12/07/2020 - 13:59

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I'm kinda thinking that #38 will be 9/16/72 with bonus 9/15.

sorry sub's thread seems to be locked or something.

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 12/07/2020 - 14:41

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Direwulf-I think most people who listen to rock n' roll would also credit black performers such as Ike Turner, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bo Diddley and Fats Domino as being foundational rock n roll performers who were contemporaneous with Elvis. It was a music that made as step towards breaking down racial barriers.

You still haven't said which black performers you have heard who sounded like Elvis Presley. The blues tracks he cut sounded nothing like the originals, that I have heard.

In the 60s, a lot of people would point out that some of the best records were made by black performers - and not just Jimi Hendrix. But they weren't necessarily rock n' roll records. I have over 30 cds of material recorded on Stax records alone-but not many of the tracks on them are what I would call rock n' roll-or rock of any sort. Same with Tamla Motown.

And when you consider all the classic jazz records made in the 1950s and 1960s-many more were made by black musicians than white, I would think. Everything by Miles Davis for a start.

1000s of great blues records too, by black artists throughout the 50s and 60s. Way too many to mention, but again, not just Jimi Hendrix.

To credit Elvis Presley and Sam Phillips with their innovative sound, and it surely was innovative, in no way diminishes the achievments of any of the above.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Mon, 12/07/2020 - 16:04

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I saw Big Mama Thorton play a couple of times and she was really cool, but I dig the version of Hound Dog that Elvis does way more. As far as Blue Moon of Kentucky goes, I like both versions equally, Bill Monroe's and Elvis's

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 12/07/2020 - 16:20

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Billy the Kid- that must have been something, seeing Big Mama Thornton. That puts T.Rex in the shade.

Another great original and cover was Mystery Train. The original by Junior Parker is great, and the cover by Elvis, which is totally different, is also brilliant.

....and raise my glass to the latest GarciaLive release.
This will stay on my "currently playing" end table for awhile.
Birthday show for me. I turned 3, which is indeed a magic number.
I've been away entertaining my 3 granddaughters that recently visited.
We went to the Adventuredome at Circus Circus. No lines. Rides for daze. Oh yeah. And Lazer Tag.
I feel 3 years younger.

Exceptional. The clip of her at the train station was in the North West of England, not far from where I grew up. I think Muddy Waters and a fewe other blues performes were filmed at the same time and place.
Great the way she used to dress like my grandma but could rock out like Jimi Hendrix.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 07:15

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Direwulf, you did misread the tone of my reply; my point was that Jazz, Blues and Country did not happen in a vacuum and had black and white influences(obviously, not in equal parts.) This has nothing do with "white fragility".
By the way, we forgot Ray Charles as a major rock and roll influence, thanks to his classic Atlantic sides.

Pretty cool Carlo.

Billy.. Will check out Garcia / Grisman at some point today.

Lots to do today, onward.....

Oh, and Senator, looking forward to getting my new Garcia Live hopefully today.. , but the USPS Gods have not been smiling on my lately. It's like the old Music Today warehouse has taken over the postal system. My packages seem to going all over the Eastern US, then sometimes back to distributions centers for a second or third time. It's almost like somebody reprogrammed the automated distribution vector software and added some infinite loops.

Or in the Words of Jerry Garcia, "It's really too weird here, it really is" If I can find one, a free dead sticker to the first person to name the show... if I can't find one (unlikely) I will have tried.

Oh, and Cousins/Direwulf.. a tip of the hat to Ray Charles. I saw him and Fats Domino with my father and brother at a New Orleans JazzFest 20 or so years ago (I dragged them out and paid for flights and hotels).. I know I have told this story here before, but it's cool enough for a redux.. my dad told tales of his life in the 50's. He was the youngest of 11, so bedrooms were often doubled up.. but he lived in the Western suburbs of Baltimore and used to prop up the window and hop out after dark and head down to what are referred to as the seedy sections of Baltimore and see black R&B/Blues acts including Charles and Domino, then get back before dawn and crawl through the window hoping nobody noticed. When I heard this I was floored.. gave me a little source of pride, respect and honor. Perhaps that's where I got it from....

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Submitted by billy the kid on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 07:58

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May the four winds blow you safely home.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 10:23

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Did you catch her at the SF Blues Festival, 78 or so? That was a great day, biggest treat was seeing 40s R&B shouter Roy Brown. Free festival too, right in Golden Gate Park.

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Submitted by wave-that-flag on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 11:02

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Really enjoying Jerry and Merl’s playing from this 5/71 release. The Crosby-penned “The Wall Song” is awesome and much closer spiritually to the earlier PERRO, Crosby demo sessions for his ‘71 solo album. Of course, when the song was officially released with a much different tempo and sound on that first Crosby & Nash album in ‘72, Jerry, Phil and Bill all played on the track.

In any event, GarciaLive 15 smokes and is unlike the later JGB releases sonically. A bit of primal edge from the ‘60’s on this one perhaps. Enjoy the listen!

Dave—mission’ that second box release that usually gets me through this time of the year. 2020’s been a bitch. Let’s all get through this alive. Peace and good health to all Deadheads and loved ones.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 11:04

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Hey Cousins, yeah, I saw her at the bandshell in Golden Gate Park at the S.F. Blues Festival. I also saw her at a Blues Festival on the U.C. Berkeley Campus, I believe in 1974, George Harmonica Smith and Sonny Terry & Brownie Magee were also on the bill. Boy, I sure miss those S.F. Blues Festivals, I went to a lot of them, they were a blast!

Estimated Prophet going into the commercial of the Baltimore Ravens game tonight. My time comin' any day.. don't worry about me no.

The times they are a changin'...

Edit: Got a Lost Sailor in the second half.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Wed, 12/09/2020 - 17:08

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Any cat that can hang with Jerry has got to be just aaaallll right . . .

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Submitted by simonrob on Fri, 12/11/2020 - 05:48

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That list of Star Wars future projects instantly made me think of the Garcia Family Provisions merchandising model. 😬

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 12/11/2020 - 06:23

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I hear they are bringing back Sean Connery as the new aged 00bi Wan Kenobi.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 12/11/2020 - 11:23

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Star Wars brand cannabis.
There’s already a Light Saber strain, although I don’t think that Disney is getting any royalties.

Millennium Falcon Sativa, it will make your mind go warp speed.

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Fri, 12/11/2020 - 16:35

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There's got to be a good star wars weed strain joke here just waiting to be told. Here's hoping V guy has a few up his sleeve. My brain is wracked after a long week of work.

I did take this occasion to listen to 12-11-72. How nice would a 3-show '72 Winterland box set be, a la the '73 one?

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Fri, 12/11/2020 - 17:19

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My Star Wars fandom well full hyperspace with those announcements. Well I won't guarantee that everything Lucasfilm produces will be great, i am still going to be checking them all out. I don't know if any of you watch the Mandalorian. If you haven't seen it yet, I recommend checking it out. I have been really enjoying that show and if even one or two of those new shows are at that level, I will be happy.

....what? Searching now.
Found it. I have twenty bucks.
Edit. I accidentally backed out of the stream and can't figure out how to get back in. Good for 48 hrs though. I'll figure it out.

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