Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!
Not only a propaganda trick
It's also an old marketing trick. It even has an acronym: FUDFear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Used widely in IT marketing. IBM used to rely on it heavily. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
Propaganda Trick #2
"GIVE me an F- GIVE me an U-GIVE me an C- GIVE me an K-..........What's that spell?????" sorry, guys, love ya, just can't help myself sometimes........nothing left to do...but smile, smile, smile.....xoxox Gypsy Cowgirl, alias revolutionary grandma?
Yes, it is an old trick,
Yes, it is an old trick, renewed about 8 years ago and being put to rest as we speak. It seems it created only distrust, conflict, and the demise of the ideals of the founders of this nation. This is a time for rebuilding and I applaud Hal for his part in upholding these ideals at this time.peace, pk
guess i'll stir things up a little
instead of being a wiseass. as i stated before the good senator became president-elect i don't trust him, but neither did i trust the mccain camp. having said that, "the demise of the ideals of the founders" almost paraphrases pajak's earlier post but from a different point of view. there is in the works a plan that may very well cause that. i won't, at this time, point to which section of the bill of rights that i'm speaking of, but i will wait and see, however i DO think there are alot of unanswered questions about the soon to be president's agenda.....we'll see.....
The Chosen One
Has anyone found out yet where the $60 million went that was dowled out for Ayers by the Chosen One? Oh yea, I forgot it went for "educational purposes" and it was such a huge job that Acorn helped him out. Am I the only one who feels there is something wrong about not being able to pass a security backround check but still qualifying to be president of our country? It's a heavenly miracle! Even Ayers gets a good job!
The Chosen One
Wasn't that Dubya? God spoke to him or something?
I guess during the era of the Chosen One accountability doesn't matter and anything goes. Good thing for Sen Dodd & Franks! Looks like socialism isn't going to be our only big change. People should wake up and stop blaming Bush for everything. As bad as he was, he did not do it all! The one good thing he did was keep us safe.
Can we try supporting the new president before we condem him. Please
Right on Steve-O
The election is OVER-Can't please all the people all the time......No one seemed to condemn or impeach Bush...how weird is that? this topic should just go awayGypsy Cowgirl
i agree....the election is over
but cmon, people have been condemning bush all along (deservedly, mind you).....mebbe mite help if this topic.....went awaaaayy...from the forum!!
you said it Steve-O
thanks If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
When Bush was declared the winner his first election
I made efforts to show him respect and hoped that all would go well. Especially after 911, I hoped that we would be able to unify as a country/people. Other liberals also made efforts (if you recall) to not be 'sore losers' (Gore did conceed) etc. etc. And then Bush was elected to a second term. And do you really think there wasn't hope from many americans (even those of us on the left) that he would do well? There is such a thing as demonstrating an ability to applaud the efforts of the victor, even when it isn't your guy/team. We have made a practice of that after Nebraska football games and our home crowd stands and applauds the opposing team, win or lose (and have applauded more than we would have liked lately). That is one of the lessons of athletics, to be able to be humble in victory or defeat. In order to embrace the truth, one must have the ability to recognize when the opponent has outmatched you. And you can demonstrate respect for that person. Shit, Bush himself has made glowing comments about Obama of late, but there is an concurrent inability for others on the right to gracefully accept the will of the people and continue to vilify Obama before he even gets sworn in? And if McCain had won and the left was doing this to him, what would you say? Blaming and attacking him before he even took office? Please! You wouldn't stand for it. The devisiveness and intense partisainship that has marked the last 20 years doesn't serve this republic well, but talk show hosts on the right and the left love to drum up the hate. It makes them $ and whips their audience into an intolerant frenzy. Is that really what this country is all about? No wonder so many of the founding fathers were resistive to a system of political parties. My liberal friends made excuses for Clinton and I rebuked Clinton as well as admonishing my friend's double standards for Clinton's duplicity, hypocricy, and inattention to the nation's work that wasn't being done. My conservative friends made excuses for Bush and I rebuked Bush and admonished my friend's double standards for Bush's duplicity, hypocricy, and inattention to the nation's work that wasn't being done. I know when I get on my soap box, on my high horse, I generally fall off. It is a good thing I have a hard head. Luckily I believe that some of those posting so negatively on Obama have hard heads as well, because you all have landed repeatedly on your noggin since the election. I have had alot of practice at learning to lose, because the candidates I support so rarely have won. Maybe you just need more practice at losing to learn to lose with some dignity. Take a page from John McCain, or even George Bush. Look at the example of their response to the election and the respect they convey when discussing Obama. AND you can't have a tug of war with me, because I am on the same side of the rope as you are. IF you are for freedom, equality, justice, pursuit of happiness, etc. all those principles that this country was founded on. Or I could be wrong. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
The Oroboros Soapbox
pretty fine words there my friend If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
Solemnly they stated
this forum has to dieYou know it has to die And when the day had ended With rainbow colours blended Their minds remained unbended so this forum has to die You know it has to die
post, Oroboros! Fine piece indeed.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
Very wise words indeed
A beautiful and eloquent post, Oroboros. Those ideals that you layed out are what makes our country, America, a great country and an inspiration to much of the world. I believe you are expressing the hope and dreams the founding fathers put in motion. America is a work in progress. And the foundation must be strong, as I believe it is, and we must build upon those ideals, and work together to shape this country in order to form a more perfect union. We must unite and realize we are one people, and reach out to each other to both teach and learn, and then we will all grow, and the country will grow. If you look at the ideals that Oroboros has talked about here, as he said, we are really all in agreement, so the foundation is there. So let's all work together to build America into a better place brick by brick. I am happy that we have a leader that has assembled a staff that is from all sides of the spectrum in order to form a more perfect union.
freezing this topic
frankly, I'm reluctant to freeze a topic people still want to talk in, particularly when they do so as well as Oroboros just did. I would say, rather, as it says in the topic header, that if you're not into this topic, just let it go by. Thanks!
why do you insist on making sense?
Yay Oroboros-you did very well......but I'm glad that grdaed73 agrees w/ me....this forum has to die.....it's like trying to revive a Dead Horse....well, like Marye says above......I'll just skip over it & be on my merry way! xoxox Gypsy Cowgirl
Post vote whining is easy to doBut the pols are elected, and chosen by you McCain and Obama, they dealt different hands The counting's all over, you know where it stands Dead horses, they just won't go away Dead, dead horses, just won't go away I see that some aren't pleased how it went Now they've decided they still need to vent No calm acceptance of the new status quo It might just be better to just let it go Dead horses, they just won't go away Dead, dead horses, just won't go away I know we all dreamed the best for our guy But only one wins. I'm sure you know why. The choice has been made. It's time to move on. Let's just be happy the last clowns are gone. Dead horses, they just won't go away Dead, dead horses, they'll quiet someday. Dead horses, they just won't go away Dead, dead horses, they'll quiet someday. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
brilliant, Mr. P!
Hey wow. I've been meditating on my previous post to the message board last October. The result is, after I've been labeled as meanspirited and paranoid, probably called a few other things, this darkstar isnt putting anymore energy into shows around here and hasnt been. Who cares? Does it really matter? No, do you care? I dont care. Does anyone care. Tigerlily, do you wanna care about any of this? The replies I got were an insight as to how deadheads can really think,feel, act and can be ,generally, towards anyone they are talking with,It doesnt seem to matter who people are. Thats just a heads up.Why should I put any energy into this, when people are like that? The same as anywhere else.Which is what I wanted to say in the first place. I'm not supporting any of this. Who cares. Thats my peace.
I wanna care
DannyC. Reread your post from October, and the responses to it. Why'd you ask me in particular? Can you be more specific about your insight into how Deadheads really think?********************************** Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. Mark Twain